Mini Normal 2015 - Lab Rat Mafia - Finished

[Golden Robster]

Honestly I joined because I noticed Golden

stalker

VOTE: Performer

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Ircher

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VOTE: PenguinPower

[Golden Robster]

a flashwagon with two votes

you monsters

[Golden Robster]

Ok. Just know it's suspect, and I'll call it out later.

I'm so confused. Why are you taking Ircher calling Kublai scum seriously on page three of RVS?

I think I will choose to keep my reasons confidential at the moment.

You don't have any empirical reasons so it's all gut right now. To me right now, it feels like:

Ircher is trying to generate RVS discussion by being aggressive and wishy-washy. Kublai is trying to leave RVS asap by questioning and being pedantic. PP trying to move RVS along by acting as a scapegoat for most of the discussion.

Not sure which is scum-motivated or if their even is scum in these three but Kublai pings me the most as the stereotypical "look at me im doing things" kind of play but even then I'm not sure if it's just his playstyle pinging me.

Only page three so I'm not taking any of what I'm writing seriously but I'll come back with more thoughts when more people post.

[Golden Robster]

I'm so confused. Why are you taking Ircher calling Kublai scum seriously on page three of RVS?

Why are you taking me calling Ircher calling Kublai scum suspect as serious but not Ircher calling Kublai scum as serious when we're on page three of RVS?

Why are you trying to shrug off my question with another question; we're on page three of (kind of) RVS and Ircher straight up says KK is scum.

Then you come in with

Ok. Just know it's suspect, and I'll call it out later.

What's the point of this post?

[Golden Robster]

Penguin can be town for now, I didn't like how Espeonage jumped on Penguins posts when Penguin was only doing something I definitely see at least moderately often in RVS.
Scum!Espeonage spews scum!Seal from Seals opening post.

Why are their opening posts scummy?

[Golden Robster]

Nah I was annoyed at PP. And then decided to vote him for being mafia.

What are your thoughts about other players?

[Golden Robster]

I haven't been reading. There's quote chains so I skipped the pages except on a skim.

There's like four/five pages of relevant discussion and semi-decent content.

Pick one TR and SR from the people who've spoken?

[Golden Robster]

Byron... Feels weird. Nothing I can point to directly, gut feel is saying off, especially on the wagon comment. Did not feel it was picking up any steam at the time.

Why aren't you voting him if he feels weird?

You provided a reads list of 2 town, 2 neutral, 2 players that you didn't state alignment so I'm assuming neutral and 1 player that you stated felt weird. Basically 2 town, 4 neutral and 1 player that feels weird.

Why does it feel like you're trying to not ruffle any feathers?

Also, you didn't even vote anybody; your reads list doesn't feel that real to me even though you gave lots of reasoning. Why do you have zero scumreads right now?

[Golden Robster]

Town: Me
Scum: PP

Talk me through why you have zero townreads and think PP is scum.

[Golden Robster]

Town

:

Leaning Town

: UnrealSeal, Ircher

Semi-leaning Town

: Joral

Kind of town

: TE

Neutral/undecided

: N_M, PP, Espeonage, KK

Meh

: Hopkirk, Creature, Byron

Leaning Scum

: Performer,

Scum

:

Potential Lynches

: Byron, Hopkirk, Creature, Performer

Going to post my reasoning and explanations later.

[Golden Robster]

I believe that's L-1. @ esp

Think it's L-2 actually; why does it feel like you're rushing this right now?

[Golden Robster]

What good does it do to needlessly ruffle feathers? Hoping to provoke a reaction? My experience is you get the hot heads who don't reread before they post, but for me it has not been a decent scum indication.
Since you've returned to posting, I assume that you think we're out of the normal RVS fluffposting? What reads do you have aside from me?

Isn't this game all about finding motivation, contradictions and forming your own arguments?

Provoking reactions and generating content is RVS in a nutshell and useful, no?

[Golden Robster]

I'm skimming. I'm not negligent.

Cool, so if you're not negligent then I'm guessing that you've read through most of the content. Post thoughts please.

Also @N_M needs to post as well; not sure why it's taking him so long to engage in this game.

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Performer

Will post explanations for reads list later.

[Golden Robster]

Inactivity/doing nothing isn't alignment indicative; it just means that you're not doing anything and being useless.

Byron, your first statement in #264 feels really, really forced.

I understand N_M but why Joral? He was one of the first to out a reads list and is actively contributing. Espe has been useless all game so I don't get why you think he's better than Joral in terms of communicating.

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Byron

[Golden Robster]

You should be afraid.

It's L-5.

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: N_M

Just a heads up next time UnrealSeal, you don't need to out your full role like that; take it you are new but basically you can wait for scum to out reads, fake-guilty someone for reactions etc.

N_M is scummy as shit for that hammer yesterday without waiting for a claim and zero content throughout d1

reading back, I feel like it was coordinated; byron tried to wifom by switching his vote to N_M and then N_M hammered without waiting for his claim for town cred

@N_M well played sir, you nearly had me fooled

[Golden Robster]

The main thing is that you outed your guilty and then both you and creature posted within a minute of each other and then you outed your full role.

Which is awful.

[Golden Robster]

why don't you give us some reads.

Never had mason tracker in a game before but seems super strong; UnrealSeal, am confused, why didn't you just ask for his reads before his claim?

[Golden Robster]

N_M is 100% scum though; the only thing we are arguing about right now is the details of Seal's claim which I kind of agree are skeptical butafter that JarJar post confirming mason tracker is normal, am basically inclined to believe. Also what Ircher said is right and it basically becomes apparent since Seal is probably going to flip next night if no TP.

But mostly it's N_M being awful d1, zero content, quick hammering without a claim and after reading back byron's last post, his vote switch to N_M just indicts him even more and then his switch from VT to JOAT after he hit L-2.

[Golden Robster]

While it may not be in town's long term interest, I want the other mason to claim to verify Seal's claim.

Think the other mason is creature since they posted within a minute of one another day start but am not sure.

[Golden Robster]

Not if the role in question is suspect...

Do you really think Seal is lying right now?

[Golden Robster]

ByronVilla (7) - Kublai Khan, Hopkirk, Golden Robster, JarJarDrinks, Performer, Ircher, Not_Mafia

I kinda doubt there's any scum besides N_M on the wagon.

Tomorrows lynch should definitely be from the people not voting scum day 1.

I agree with this; I feel like N_M quick hammering was kind of a last ditch effort. Feel like last scum was probably off this wagon and not participating that much.

[Golden Robster]

I'm town though

What are your reads for instance?

Believe it bitch

[Golden Robster]

Town

: UnrealSeal

Leaning Town

: Ircher, JJD
------- (town block)

Semi-leaning Town

: Hopkirk

Kind of town

: Creature

Neutral/undecided

: Performer, Projectmatt

Meh

: PP, TE

Leaning Scum

:

Scum

: N_M

[Golden Robster]

Basically where I am right now. Probably someone out of my town block is mason partner but w/e.

[Golden Robster]

Reading back, scum probably actually bussed the shit out of byron.

Like, this line just gives me bad feels,

I don't think there's scum on my wagon.

In terms of possible scum if I'm wrong, Ircher pinged me with just wanting to rush the day and get it over and done with. I don't see a reason to rush the day at all right now.

Khan/Golden have also been hard for me to get a read on. They've done some good stuff but also some things that have raised my eyebrow so that's kinda null for me.

Hopkirk/JJD/Performer are a townread for me, I'd be very surprised if they were scum.

[Golden Robster]

byron soft-defended espe throughout d1 and had little to zero interaction with performer with only one post apart from rvs

Yeah I don't really get why everyone jumped on Espeonage. I mean sure they haven't been the most active so far

if we're talking about potential lynches then I'd add these two to the table tomorrow

JJD has been pretty towny but could be scum; in my townblock but re-evaluating if bus happened

Creature is probably town just because of this byron post:

VOTE: Creature

My bad vibes that I was on about before that I were feeling were from a frustrated town have turned a lot more in the scummy direction. This post in particular really pings me as an almost OMGUS play on the whole town:
Creature wrote:
tbh I don't see any players here who played well enough to be able to flawlessly read me.

Haven't liked his play so far, as it feels like he's caused a lot more disruption than contribution to the discussions at hand through off-handed comments and a lack of any real content to his posts. (The man hasn't even made a post consisting of more than two lines of his own)

PJ probably town for similar reason; byron felt new and I don't think he'd list both his scumpartners + PJ's opening post was decent as well. Byron votes Joral instead of N_M just because N_M is scumbuddy:

I've got my eyes on both Joral & Not_Mafia right now, they've both done virtually nothing in the game so far, and if the game is being stalled by mafia then it's likely being done by at least one of these two.

Joral hasn't done anything for the past 4 days, that's hardly communicating. Sure beforehand he was making some good posts but it feels like he's just dodged the last 4 days and that doesn't sit well with me. The thing is the way Espeonage has acted has made me read his slot as town, as I'm getting that frustrated town read on him due to the nature of his posts. However I feel Joral, whilst doing more stuff than Espeonage, still isn't doing a lot and he still feels really defensive as a player.

VOTE: Joral

[Golden Robster]

Where I'm at right now with reads

Town

: UnrealSeal

Leaning Town

: Ircher, PJ (joral slot), Creature
------- (town block)

Semi-leaning Town

:

Kind of town

: Hopkirk, JJD (espe slot)

Neutral/undecided

:

Meh

: PP, TE, Performer

Leaning Scum

:

Scum

: N_M

[Golden Robster]

Here’s a guideline I think town should start employing after a D1 scumlynch: ignore the associatives associated with said Lynch.

Why though?

[Golden Robster]

performer felt scummy and would of been my choice for the ML today

massclaiming does town nothing and if worst comes to worst, we start bw'ing a PR, they claim and we switch to someone else

either PP or TE today

[Golden Robster]

ircher hasn't been on my radar but I'll do an ISO later

also the fact that we have a mason tracker and a PR vig probably means there's no other town PR's on the table

[Golden Robster]

in the back of my mind am like "did ircher bus"

[Golden Robster]

not voting because I don't see the point right now

outed my scumreads already and people need to post

[Golden Robster]

prodge

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hi

[Golden Robster]

PJ giving me town vibes

why did we wagon him in the first place

[Golden Robster]

am inclined to hammer since he claimed but really want to switch this wagon but what if we start to wagon a PR

[Golden Robster]

fcking shit

I want hiraki or PP today

[Golden Robster]

tomorrow we massclaim

we have two pr's still alive

have not been invested into this day since it's been a steamroll with two scum lynched back to back

vig needs to vig PP or hiraki

[Golden Robster]

PJ replaced into the joral slot I don't understand why you're all voting this

have you not read byron posts where he says he SR' both joral and N_M and then proceeds to vote joral

just reek of classic "throw shade on partner but vote town"

[Golden Robster]

am not touching creature right now because I think he's mason partner

[Golden Robster]

creature is pretty scummy though and some of his posts are super bad; not sure if scum would hard-defend their buddy d1 without a care for repercussions

[Golden Robster]

vig crumbed so have a pretty clear idea of who I'm not touching today

[Golden Robster]

think doing PP here is fine to be honest

it'll come down to night kills and POE with massclaiming tomorrow

vig needs to vig hiraki since we have 8 players left and unless we manage to lynch scum will end up with 4 players at mylo

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: PP

[Golden Robster]

vt

don't understand hiraki nk though so going through his ISO right now

[Golden Robster]

if pm is scum going to be super pissed at myself for averting that lynch at the last second

[Golden Robster]

hiraki only pushed PM hard

[Golden Robster]

and hopkirk

[Golden Robster]

creature stop skirting around and hardclaim

[Golden Robster]

I see you online creature don't try and hide

[Golden Robster]

we continue this discussion when creature hardclaims

[Golden Robster]

okay when creature comes back he needs to hardclaim

am 90% sure JJD is scum here

[Golden Robster]

got some spicy information but need creature to hardclaim first

[Golden Robster]

wait until creature claims

[Golden Robster]

hardclaiming vig

[Golden Robster]

this game is over

[Golden Robster]

no I'm not a mason

[Golden Robster]

creature and me are conf!town

[Golden Robster]

doesn't matter if creature fully claims

[Golden Robster]

okay let me explain fully

creature is transparently the mason (conf!town)
im vig (conf!town)
JJD claims JJK (fakeclaim? jailed creature n3)

we are left with:
hopkirk, ircher and pm (I think pm is town)

[Golden Robster]

also I don't have any shots left

[Golden Robster]

brb getting food

pedit: creature, I had you pegged as mason when you posted at the same time as seal, don't even

[Golden Robster]

2 shot

[Golden Robster]

there can be scum JK though

[Golden Robster]

Tommy egan

[Golden Robster]

Town Mason Tracker + Town Mason + Town 2-Shot Vig vs. Mafia informed + Mafia JK + Mafia goon

[Golden Robster]

okay w/e, was hoping firebringer would continue to pretend to be mason but got my hopes up zzz

claiming mason vig

[Golden Robster]

creature*

[Golden Robster]

am 90% sure scum already know since informed mafioso

[Golden Robster]

actually it says - /trust us

[Golden Robster]

but the spaces didn't come out right when seal posted it

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Hopkirk

[Golden Robster]

UNVOTE: Hopkirk

actually wait till PM gets here

[Golden Robster]

town feels too strong though

[Golden Robster]

do people think I'd actually fakeclaim mason vigilante???

[Golden Robster]

???

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??

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hiraki kill is super weird as well

[Golden Robster]

if hopkirk is scum since he thought the crumb said robster

[Golden Robster]

same tbh

[Golden Robster]

hopkirk being scummy again

[Golden Robster]

could informed mafioso have known all the PR roles that town had

that might explain why hiraki kill is so weird

and hiraki was scumreading hopkirk

[Golden Robster]

it feels good being conf town

[Golden Robster]

Why DIDNT you jail Unreal N2?

[Golden Robster]

jesus I just realised

[Golden Robster]

hammering this

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Hopkirk

[Golden Robster]

oh wait not hammer xd

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Project

[Golden Robster]

out who you're jailing btw

[Golden Robster]

gg's

[Golden Robster]

in hindsight, I think lynching hopkirk was dumb after he thought I was the mason; he would of obviously NK'd me

also, I hard defended PM but then again, his ATE did feel super town to me; I thought last scum would have fought tooth and nail (like hopkirk kind of)

also I'm curious about what informed mafioso was actually informed about