Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[Ankamius]

That's basically why the type of playstyle matters so much.

If it's more a raw analysis type of style where every post is generally thought through before posting, then it's not indicative and much more likely a playstyle clash; it's plausible but it's still not to the level of like... MagnaOfIllusion or others with styles similar to his. I can't read that kind of thing since I don't think in that way.

But, if it's like Gorkington where it's more stream of consciousness and talking without a whole lot of forethought and planning first, then I'm probably reading genuine scum intent since it's easy to fake the thoughts but very very hard to fake a coherent thought process and tone with that playstyle.

[Gamma Emerald]

by the way

literally everyone in this game not voting mathblade right now owes me an apology when mathblade flips scum or don't talk to me ever again.

If he somehow does sure I'll apologize
but if not you have to apologize to the game for making it toxic
deal?

this reads a

lot

like scum posturing to me.

let me put it this way
the actions that occur the following night will help clarify what is going on with math and radiant

so we should focus off of that for today until we have more information

Let's wait for radiant to be nightkilled then say that he must have been redirected so math is conftown!

I promise: if you get nightkilled by scum I'll be considering what you're saying no matter what you flip.

this also rubs me the wrong way.

gamma emerald, id like your detailed evaluation about the people in the hood. as in, was there scum in the initial 3? was the extra invite an objectively good choice?

Why? Doesn't that indicate who is in there, which Mathblade has explicitly said he doesn't want revealed right now?

so in your opinion the hood is completely safe and his approach is the right one?

Maybe not but regardless you trying to go against it feels kinda shady.

ehhhh

gamma's iso is full of him casting vague suspicion on people and calling out posts for not being good without actually committing to reads. his scumhunting/questioning of people doesn't feel like it has any internal consistency.

i wasn't a huge fan of aronis's iso either. his only real confident read was a townread on hebichan, and it looked like he was pocketing/coasting off of the confidence of his townread at certain points. like this post:

I would like to kill somebody on the vecna wagon not named hebichan today

because of all of this, gamma/aronis leans scum.

yaddayadda all I'm seeing is pjm trying to give reasons to scumread me

[Gamma Emerald]

i dont really read keychain as scum based on my quick iso on them. i'm at least willing to wait for them to be replaced before i would consider lynching them. lynching an inactive slot is usually a bad move.

in fact, i dont particularly read muffin as scum either.

starting to think that the theta wagon is still the best option.

Projectmatt is definitely better but I could do Theta.

Like his swap onto Theta feels really survivalistic

I am really sick so consider this my “content” for now.

Yeah, after he puts out a mini-case on me he just goes "eh theta best lynch"
no thanks VOTE: projectmatt

[Gamma Emerald]

i was the first person on the theta wagon and unvoted for about 30 minutes to think about my own reads, and then promptly revoted.

if i hadn't unvoted theta out of my own volition, you wouldn't have called it a swap.

this means that you're either intentionally misrepresenting the situation or you're not reading the game closely, and i find the second one hard to believe.

this is fair but I still want explanation before I unvote

[HeWhoSwims]

Anka what exactly bothers you? I townread you but I'm not seeing Yuu scum very much... Only Nico scum tbh

[Ankamius]

I'm not sure how else to explain it without going into basically every post by the slot tbh

[Ankamius]

At least of the ones I've seen

It's mostly the ones at the start of the game and during the CC thing

[Nosferatu]

That's basically why the type of playstyle matters so much.

If it's more a raw analysis type of style where every post is generally thought through before posting, then it's not indicative and much more likely a playstyle clash; it's plausible but it's still not to the level of like... MagnaOfIllusion or others with styles similar to his. I can't read that kind of thing since I don't think in that way.

But, if it's like Gorkington where it's more stream of consciousness and talking without a whole lot of forethought and planning first, then I'm probably reading genuine scum intent since it's easy to fake the thoughts but very very hard to fake a coherent thought process and tone with that playstyle.

literally the opposite for me

[Ankamius]

in what sense

[projectmatt]

by the way

literally everyone in this game not voting mathblade right now owes me an apology when mathblade flips scum or don't talk to me ever again.

If he somehow does sure I'll apologize
but if not you have to apologize to the game for making it toxic
deal?

this reads a

lot

like scum posturing to me.

let me put it this way
the actions that occur the following night will help clarify what is going on with math and radiant

so we should focus off of that for today until we have more information

Let's wait for radiant to be nightkilled then say that he must have been redirected so math is conftown!

I promise: if you get nightkilled by scum I'll be considering what you're saying no matter what you flip.

this also rubs me the wrong way.

gamma emerald, id like your detailed evaluation about the people in the hood. as in, was there scum in the initial 3? was the extra invite an objectively good choice?

Why? Doesn't that indicate who is in there, which Mathblade has explicitly said he doesn't want revealed right now?

so in your opinion the hood is completely safe and his approach is the right one?

Maybe not but regardless you trying to go against it feels kinda shady.

ehhhh

gamma's iso is full of him casting vague suspicion on people and calling out posts for not being good without actually committing to reads. his scumhunting/questioning of people doesn't feel like it has any internal consistency.

i wasn't a huge fan of aronis's iso either. his only real confident read was a townread on hebichan, and it looked like he was pocketing/coasting off of the confidence of his townread at certain points. like this post:

I would like to kill somebody on the vecna wagon not named hebichan today

because of all of this, gamma/aronis leans scum.

yaddayadda all I'm seeing is pjm trying to give reasons to scumread me

jesus christ what a

terrible

post

[Nosferatu]

the fact that people actually give matt shit for literally unvoting and then re-voting the same player is hilarious

[Nosferatu]

in what sense

I'm typically better at reading people who post analytically with walls and points and shit

but I just tend to townread anyone who has a stream-of-consciousness posting style

[MathBlade]

imo, we should do the following today:

1. make mathblade out his hood partners

2. lynch mathblade

3. if mathblade flips town, the hood will use their ability to kill radiantcowbells. since killing requires all members of the hood to agree, refusing to kill will be tantamount to a scum-claim.

4. if mathblade flips scum, the kill is unnecessary.

For starters here.

How did you know it requires universal agreement?

Your posts seem too confident when no one is really talking.

Furthermore your Theta push came after I suggested it.

It’s like you want to push Theta to get on my good side. The “switch” (Unvote/vote) is to make it seem like you’re reading and hunting. When in reality your only interest is getting on my good side.

[MathBlade]

the fact that people actually give matt shit for literally unvoting and then re-voting the same player is hilarious

Welcome to hilarious then.

I have done that shit as scum. So I look out for it.

[projectmatt]

imo, we should do the following today:

1. make mathblade out his hood partners

2. lynch mathblade

3. if mathblade flips town, the hood will use their ability to kill radiantcowbells. since killing requires all members of the hood to agree, refusing to kill will be tantamount to a scum-claim.

4. if mathblade flips scum, the kill is unnecessary.

For starters here.

How did you know it requires universal agreement?

Your posts seem too confident when no one is really talking.

Furthermore your Theta push came after I suggested it.

It’s like you want to push Theta to get on my good side. The “switch” (Unvote/vote) is to make it seem like you’re reading and hunting. When in reality your only interest is getting on my good side.

for one, you told us that it requires universal agreement among the hood

for second, my posts seem too confident? how? elaborate.

for third, that's an insanely egotistical reason. i outlined my thought process as to why i thought theta was mafia when i voted them, and it's absurd for you to think that i give a shit about being on your good side.

[projectmatt]

It’s like you want to push Theta to get on my good side. The “switch” (Unvote/vote) is to make it seem like you’re reading and hunting. When in reality your only interest is getting on my good side.

this is an insane theory, especially since i outlined where my thought process was when i unvoted then voted again. you're insane.

[projectmatt]

gamma and mathblade are presenting some of the stupidest logic ive ever heard and i honestly dont know what to make of it

[Nosferatu]

the fact that people actually give matt shit for literally unvoting and then re-voting the same player is hilarious

Welcome to hilarious then.

I have done that shit as scum. So I look out for it.

please tell me why you intentionally as scum unvote and then re-vote literally one post after the other

[MathBlade]

imo, we should do the following today:

1. make mathblade out his hood partners

2. lynch mathblade

3. if mathblade flips town, the hood will use their ability to kill radiantcowbells. since killing requires all members of the hood to agree, refusing to kill will be tantamount to a scum-claim.

4. if mathblade flips scum, the kill is unnecessary.

For starters here.

How did you know it requires universal agreement?

Your posts seem too confident when no one is really talking.

Furthermore your Theta push came after I suggested it.

It’s like you want to push Theta to get on my good side. The “switch” (Unvote/vote) is to make it seem like you’re reading and hunting. When in reality your only interest is getting on my good side.

for one, you told us that it requires universal agreement among the hood

for second, my posts seem too confident? how? elaborate.

for third, that's an insanely egotistical reason. i outlined my thought process as to why i thought theta was mafia when i voted them, and it's absurd for you to think that i give a shit about being on your good side.

1) Oops. Damn thought I didn’t. Crap.

2) Will do when not at work

3) it’s actually rather embarrassing, not egotistical. I am always loud. A loud me is better for scum than scum. So manipulating me is something I have to look out for.

[MathBlade]

the fact that people actually give matt shit for literally unvoting and then re-voting the same player is hilarious

Welcome to hilarious then.

I have done that shit as scum. So I look out for it.

please tell me why you intentionally as scum unvote and then re-vote literally one post after the other

Because it “looks active”. It makes it seem like I was doing things when I liked the game state.

It introduces the suggestion that I was thinking or waffling when not.

[projectmatt]

the fact that people actually give matt shit for literally unvoting and then re-voting the same player is hilarious

Welcome to hilarious then.

I have done that shit as scum. So I look out for it.

please tell me why you intentionally as scum unvote and then re-vote literally one post after the other

Because it “looks active”. It makes it seem like I was doing things when I liked the game state.

It introduces the suggestion that I was thinking or waffling when not.

this would maybe make sense if i didnt post multiple times inbetween my unvote and my re-vote outlining what my reads on people were and why i thought theta was still the best option.

[projectmatt]

i think the fact that you assume that i would care about manipulating you or otherwise getting on your good side shows a big ego. i'm more concerned about your reasoning for it, because it's really shoddy and weak.

[MathBlade]

If @2945 And I have cased people too as scum. I get called “honest” and “no way Math is scum” after I do. That is not relevant to the point.
@2946 Again it’s not “ego” it is me admitting my flaws and noting my concern. It’s exactly what Mastina did in Civ Mafia. I am trying to be better.

[projectmatt]

If @2945 And I have cased people too as scum. I get called “honest” and “no way Math is scum” after I do. That is not relevant to the point.

it's super relevant. you're saying that i unvoted theta and then revoted them to make it look like i was thinking without actually having to do it, right? that logic falls completely flat since i outlined my thought process and my logic. clearly, thought was put into what i was saying. the argument just doesn't. work.

@2946 Again it’s not “ego” it is me admitting my flaws and noting my concern. It’s exactly what Mastina did in Civ Mafia. I am trying to be better.

let's put aside the ego thing. my problem is simply that your logic is bad. i don't know/care how paranoid you are about being manipulated, but if youre town in this circumstance, your paranoia about being manipulated has made you out some questionable and super poorly thought-out logic.

[Nosferatu]

Because it “looks active”. It makes it seem like I was doing things when I liked the game state.

It introduces the suggestion that I was thinking or waffling when not.

that's not what you argued though

you argued that he was jumping onto the theta wagon

but he was already there