Mini Normal 2009: Day 6

[Gustavo]

Im only voting arc today. I’m not letting this little diva shit on me because she knowingly replaced into a 45+ page game and immediately complained about the number of pages and proceeds to lurk for almost an entire week and then when she gets some pressure she finally decides to “play” by attacking the person most vocal about her lurking.

She can hit below the belt all she wants. I’ve been here playing the game. She hasn’t and imo still isn’t.

[Gustavo]

It’s one thing to omgus yesteday but to do it in mylo is not acceptable and not town motivated.

That’s why profli and arc are confirmed scum. Idk who the 3rd is

[Gustavo]

who said you weren't allowed to vote?

[Gustavo]

I am protecting the useless mason who isn't playing the game. he is the only clear.

p.edit - because it was OMGUS. OMGUS in lylo is unacceptable and it's why I know now you are scum.

[Gustavo]

i'm done with this day phase. i literally have nothing more to say. Lynch Arc/Profli/Morality. I am not going to sit here and keep getting shit on cause of my reads.

[Gustavo]

That's BS though. You knew already i was going to be pushing you today. but let's discuss that. What townie says "anyone who votes me is likely scum"? none that I have seen. That is textbook scum manipulation imo

i'm done. The only active players are the people I scum read and literally nothing is going to change.

[Gustavo]

it was pretty obvious I was being framed for that night kill

That's the thing though. If you are town, why would you need to go on the defensive before anyone ever brought it up? why would you attack the first person voting you and assume it was because of the frame job? That looks like scum trickery to me.

[Gustavo]

All you did was create wifom and basically make it impossible for anyone to vote you and if they do they are scum despite what their read was prior.

That doesn’t look town to me and if you are town, please stop that going forward. It’s scummy as hell and makes you look guilty.

[Gustavo]

I had a JK Pr and used it to gamesolve in various scenarios - exactly as I did here

Why on earth would you post a link to that game like you were proud of it? I'd try to forget that game if I were you. Wipe it from your memory and learn from your mistakes.

[Gustavo]

Read that part I just quoted. You said you are doing here what you are doing there.

I will so say voting me for voting you because you think I framed you instead of remembering I already scum read you isn’t trying to game solve. It isn’t even good play. It’s desperate

[Gustavo]

also - post 313 in that game, I highlighted that scum use frame jobs. chumba tried to convince me it wasn't true and it transpired I was right at the end.

idk if that helps you town read me or not but I thought I'd mention it

Was there a frame job that game?

[Gustavo]

also - post 313 in that game, I highlighted that scum use frame jobs. chumba tried to convince me it wasn't true and it transpired I was right at the end.

idk if that helps you town read me or not but I thought I'd mention it

Was there a frame job that game?

post 313, scum killed nero because he was scum reading taco. taco was town. scum admitted in the end that's what they did.

Looking at the scum PT their plan was to lynch Chumba not taco though. They barely mentioned Nero and didn’t mention taco.

Anyway this is pointless

[Gustavo]

Can you claim please.

[Gustavo]

Gus - it was fairly obvious that Morality thought you were a doc, but at least was sure you were a PR.

Where before this day phase is there evidence of that?

[Gustavo]

Gus - it was fairly obvious that Morality thought you were a doc, but at least was sure you were a PR.

Thinking back it was actually fairly obvious I was hinting at one so if I use your logic, people pushing me should be scum. Aka you and arc. Funny how that works

[Gustavo]

Bottom line is arc is scum. Let’s lynch arc

[Gustavo]

We need una to claim also.

[Gustavo]

why would scum kill me? not a single player in this game has shown willingness to listen to me.

my choices as a jk is to either a. protect NM leaving others to be killed OR gamble on somebody else risking NM being dead and being blamed for not protecting him.

i honestly feel like scum are in the people being town read since those people aren't being killed. That is a huge red flag to me.

Why is arc higher priority? because I am 100% sure she is scum and we need a guaranteed scum lynch today.

[Gustavo]

I feel like I’m basically a tree stump.

If morality is town I don’t see why scum would leave him alive since as morality keeps bragging he’s town read by everyone but me and the protective role would definitely not be on him with a claimed mason.

So answer that. why is scum not killing him?

P.edit - oh I still highly suspect you but because you are at least active and trying and arc clearly isn’t, we don’t need more dead weight around.

[Gustavo]

i'll explain after we get a claim from una.

[Gustavo]

hey profli, did you ever outline your case on wilky? I don't remember seeing it.

[Gustavo]

yeah one early on and one linking him to bbt but im interested to see how your play rolls out

can you link me to it?

I also don't understand what you mean, "how your play rolls out"

[Gustavo]

VOTE: Wilky

It’s Wilky, BBT, Arc.

why not arc?

[Gustavo]

man it really sucks not having anyone I can trust

[Gustavo]

wilky case pt1 - 1037 - that was in real time if you like

ok my issue with this is your entrance on tex and the fence sitting you did was way worse. if I am going to put wilky on one side and you on the other, every time I'm picking you for scum.

[Gustavo]

Yeah, I imagine this is a rough time. I don’t envy your position.

you and profli caused this position. That's why I want you both gone. Town should want to work together and build trust. That isn't what either of you did.

[Gustavo]

wilky case pt2 - 1912 - that was looking back after realising bbt was scum and how those 2 slots interacted day 1

this is a conf.biased case based on what you THINK is BBT's alignment is.

[Gustavo]

my best bet is wilky because he was willing to put 2 votes on my slot and i know im town, so he knows there isnt a scum rush risk

you also called me scum for voting you.

scum need a mislynch today to win and you and morality are pushing hard for a wilky lynch. It raises red flags for me

[Gustavo]

and neither want to lynch arc who is obv scum

[Gustavo]

why would scum claim visitor after tex flipped? that doesn't even make sense as a fake claim. why not claim a protective role or an investigative role and at least try and out the other PR?

[Gustavo]

why would scum claim visitor after tex flipped? that doesn't even make sense as a fake claim. why not claim a protective role or an investigative role and at least try and out the other PR?

say no more, just let wilky answer - as i said, if wilky is scum, dont do his job and create an answer for him... we give him the rope and let him hang himself.

huh? he has already claimed his role. if he is scum he isn't going to answer this question until post game.

[Gustavo]

He already answered that question though but ok. We can wait for him to answer it again I guess. Kind of foolish if you ask me

[Gustavo]

Hmm. Given the current proposed setup.

2 masons
1 odd night commuter
1 even night visitor
Jail keeper
Vig
Rest VTs

What is the point of a visitor?

[Gustavo]

@arc - quit lurking and give your thoughts on this proposed setup.

[Gustavo]

He said what he meant when he claimed. I’m not sure what more you want

[Gustavo]

Visitor wasn’t whitelisted until recently (after this game was approved) and there has never been another mini normal that I can find that has that role in it.

That’s weird

[Gustavo]

no

[Gustavo]

Yeah idk. I still want arc today. She deserves it the most

[Gustavo]

But she’s the only one guaranteed to flip scum imo.

[Gustavo]

Gus,

I know you said this wasnt a soft vig claim to arc, but what was the something stupid that you were going to do

If we don’t lynch arc today I’m going to do something stupid to ensure I don’t have to play with her since town doesn’t want to lynch her.

1568

Full claim

[Gustavo]

I need non angry game related posts from arc about everything. Until then I’m parked firmly on her.

[Gustavo]

I also need a claim from una

[Gustavo]

Honestly, the biggest reason I don’t want Arc today is because I’m afraid you’re gonna not lynch in Wilky/WeStan further days, so it’s like my insurance. Where even if I die, I see it will be fine because Gus will push for Arc.

this is why im saying ill lynch arc to avoid no lynch but wilky is better

But the 2 people I trust the least are the only ones pushing a wilky lynch. That scares me

[Gustavo]

i thought what's the point in that? we know it's scum...

Cause while I’m pretty sure and even say I’m 100% sure, I’m never really sure and if she is just playing a bad game I want to at least give her time to speak her mind without all the rage.

[Gustavo]

No but I’m thinking about it.

[Gustavo]

Despite my aggressive play, I’m a very nice and reasonable person. I’m just hot headed

[Gustavo]

please prod Nm

[Gustavo]

It’s mylo apparently. It’s time to not be a useless anymore.

[Gustavo]

It is official. Wilky is town,

Can somebody tell me what wilky did to make him officially town?

[Gustavo]

My wagon is a quick turn over. An opportunist scum move so that they can counter the current existing wagons which are HeWhoSwims and Profii

Side bar. This made me laugh. I’m opportunistic scum creating a counter to my scum buddies hws and profli. Remember I’m still scum after hws flipped town so there was no point in my opportunistic hop after all.

[Gustavo]

Gus, MC Adobe, (NM) town
Boon town but a lower tier
Profii and you need to be sorted I feel
Una is sorta neutral but doesn't stand out as town at all to me.
Voyc, Arc both being scummy.

The fact I can't remember the 10th person is telling enough lol

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

This post is an open claim that you're scum with Gus!!

This post was made but somehow it’s 100% my fault and nobody else’s that hws was lynched. Not even the author of this obviously false post. Btw this was an l-2 vote. Wasn’t she criticizing me for being opportunistic? Pot meet kettle.

[Gustavo]

Arc really needs to be lynched. I’ll vote wilky tomorrow but she’s going to keep pushing her BS agenda when I’m basically cleared by setup not to mention my stellar play.

[Gustavo]

Would really like nm/arc/unah/wilky go post more. I get irl > mafia but irl = Mylo/lylo

[Gustavo]

You should host comedy shows. You will be a right fit to make people laugh at your statements.

So you aren’t even going to take the olive branch I’m extending?

I tried at least

[Gustavo]

Right if Gus is happy to vote Wilky we can progress

However before we lay down any votes

Una, claim and catch up is required

I still think arc needs to go first, I can’t play another day phase with her and I don’t really want to replace out.

[Gustavo]

Not if she isn’t going to try and be civil

[Gustavo]

Did wilky and I ever argue? I don’t remember arguing with him.

Arc defending wilky confirms they are a scum team.

If she can just make an accusation with no bias and claim it’s fact, I can do it also.

[Gustavo]

given the above analysis of Arc that shows some unworkable town reads and lack of scum hunting, we should keep her alive.

No that’s precisely why we should lynch her.

[Gustavo]

Arc is clearly defending her scum buddy or she’s defending him for town cred. There can’t possibly be a 3rd explanation.

Am I doing it right?

[Gustavo]

tomorrow is a lot easier to lynch scum if we have arc in play

I disagree. I’m the only one who wants to lynch her. We lynch her now and tomorrow is easier because everyone else wants to lynch wilky.

[Gustavo]

Paranoia time. What if scum is profli/morality/arc

[Gustavo]

This game really sucks. Why is nm not playing? He’s Fucking confirmed town and he isn’t doing anything

[Gustavo]

please prod Nm

But muuuuum

mod per the game rules this doesn’t count as a post to reset the prod timer.

[Gustavo]

@ profli, at this point if you and morality are scum, you deserve the win. town clearly doesn't care anymore about this game. If I don't see significant content from the lurkers by the end of today i'll just vote wilky and move on. This is completely ridiculous imo.

[Gustavo]

Ok so we wait.

So where ya from?

[Gustavo]

New Mexico

[Gustavo]

Nah I’m really from Pennsylvania

[Gustavo]

SF/Oakland area

very nice

[Gustavo]

completely forgot about westantalent.

[Gustavo]

Yeah we are missing a vig claim

That means morality is sk

[Gustavo]

Arc?

She claimed VT

[Gustavo]

why wouldn’t a SK kill every night though

Morality wouldn’t be able to use his ability n1

[Gustavo]

That’s why I was waiting for the claim. Had to be sure we had a vig

[Gustavo]

The question now is {Una / BBT}

Huh?

[Gustavo]

VOTE: arc

[Gustavo]

I’m so confused rn. One thing got certain is arc is scum. She’s either scum with wilky or scum defending him.

[Gustavo]

The question now is {Una / BBT}

Huh?

1. How much do you know about setups - will this be 2 v 1 v 5 or 3 v 1 v 4

2. If it’s 3 v 1 v 4 then why can’t it be {Arc / Wilky / Una }

I did find a setup similar to this. Had mason and sk. I’ll try and find it again.

[Gustavo]

Arc talks about wilky like she knows he’s town. That means she’s scum using her own logic.

[Gustavo]

Ok so 2 scum maybe?

Wilky/una
Morality is sk

[Gustavo]

I get why sk wouldn’t claim as vig. Arc is confirmed scum. Any talks suggesting she is town is insane.

[Gustavo]

I’m staying on arc. With SK at play we need a guaranteed scum lynch.

[Gustavo]

Nah. Morality was blocked. So either sk didn’t shoot night 1 or he’s the SK

[Gustavo]

Reasons

[Gustavo]

Gus

Go on my wiki and click on the first game at the top (called the firsts ironically)

ISO the mod and the setup is verrrry close to this

That doesn’t list all the roles. What was the setup?

[Gustavo]

Nah, I’m conf town at this point, tbh.

There’s zero reason I ever make a kill Night 1 after the way I played.

Also, had I been making a kill, and being blocked, I’d have had more information at my disposal, and it’s blatantly clear I was playing with a lack of info.

I am obv/conf town, and Gus confirmed it. I will be treating this game with that mindset that everyone already sees me that way, even if that is not the case.

Playing dumb is easy tho

[Gustavo]

We’ll continue this discussion next day phase. Let’s lynch arc. Boon isn’t clear

[Gustavo]

Arc is 100% confirmed not SK, as am I, as is Gus, I believe.

You aren’t cleared as SK. Neither is arc actually

[Gustavo]

So maybe mortality is scum and not SK. Morality/profli is back on the table.

[Gustavo]

I want to hear from Arc

Now we know that Gus is almost certainly a JK, she has to move on...

She won’t.

[Gustavo]

Vig claim in Mylo

Yeah that’s a bad idea

This. So morality is sk but could be scum as la doesn’t make sense for mafia kill.

[Gustavo]

I’m conftown, though.

You aren’t tho

[Gustavo]

You’re not the lynch for today so let’s move on.

This.

We can talk about it tomorrow.

Today is arc

[Gustavo]

I’m just sitting here waiting for scum arc to respond to what’s been going on.

[Gustavo]

Arc and wilky are scum together cause arc is town reading him and using her logic this makes them scum together.

At least that was her logic for me/hws.

Regardless of her alignment she makes me never want to play with a girl again

[Gustavo]

I am not sure how old you're but you really need to grow up

Coming from the most immature person I’ve ever played with in mafia. That’s hilarious

[Gustavo]

You haven't given room to me to breathe in this game.

Lies

[Gustavo]

WOW. What is this 100% posts. I am taking a serious step back here. A couple of unconfirmed theories and I am 100% of something? Is this is a joke?

And the worst reaction to being told they are NOT the SK goes to...

[Gustavo]

You can keep twisting my words in any form you want but it doesn't change who you are!

How am I “twisting” your words? You said we argued. I’m saying I don’t remember arguing with him.

Last I checked, questioning a lie or false accusation isn’t twisting words.

If I misremembered and I did argue with him, this would be where you would prove me wrong. Instead you just accuse me of twisting your words. That’s an illogical response to a logical question. Your entire iso is full of illogical responses.

Even when I try to extend the olive branch and discuss the game with you, you respond illogically.

It’s way too over the top to be legitimate and if it somehow is legitimate, you really need to work on it because it’s nit beneficial to the rest of us.

[Gustavo]

Profii - I am so excited to prove how wrong you are about me.

Why do you care so much about proving people wrong?

[Gustavo]

Arcs 1925 is..like..nothing. Air.
No actual reading/casing/anything useful to the rest of us.

You shouldn’t be attacking arc like this. You need to back off and give her room to breathe.

[Gustavo]

and I have to agree that the effort Arc has put forward seems mainly like AtE. The unwillingness to read and solve is real.
I know it's heavy to replace into a game with a lot of pages and content to catch up on, but she has apparently not made much of an effort there..

Hey I just met you
And this is crazy
But I love this post
You are town maybe

[Gustavo]

I've only had one or two bigger gripes with your thought-processes so far, and this hits one of them.
NOW you are willing to handle today as a MyLo?
What changed from before - I'm legit curious.

When somebody explained it was probably 5 v 3.

We mislynch and scum get a kill off it’s 3 v 3 and game over.

[Gustavo]

Talk about poor setup design. Mylo on day 3 should never happen

[Gustavo]

I'm fairly certain we do..?

If we did they’d have claimed. There is no point to staying quiet now.

[Gustavo]

aand you lost me.

I’ll explain tomorrow or maybe post game if we lose.

[Gustavo]

How does this get to be your next post?
First you say Arc is the more certain scum in wilky/arc, and next you say the scumteam is me/wilky?
Explain please.

The posts I made where I say arc thinks wilky are town so they must be scum together or she’s scum defending wilky is very heavy sarcasm. You see that’s what she has done with me. Somehow I was scum with hws cause I didn’t want him lynched. Then he flipped town and I was scum defending hws. Either way I was scum.

Oh and according to her, despite the fact I didn’t want hws lynched, it was my fault he was lynched. Nobody else was at fault, all mine by myself.

[Gustavo]

We have a vig, and I'm almost certain I know who it is too.
Yes, our Vig fakeclaimed VT.

Well they fucked up and I’m not going to believe them when/if they finally do claim it. This isn’t the time to lie about a vig claim.

[Gustavo]

YES. EXACTLY. Can we PLEASE just lynch wilky today, and not forget profii tomorrow?? Arc will be lynched sooner or later anyway..

No. Arc has to be lynched today. She doesn’t get a free pass anymore.

[Gustavo]

I’m sorry. I’m really annoyed by her antics. If she’s scum this is intentional and if she’s town it’s very excessive. I shouldn’t have grouped all women into the same group as her. I have many bad experiences in mafia and they all seem to be with women players. That’s my baggage and I’ll deal with it and maybe I’m to blame also because of my aggression but there are ways around that. Like asking me to time it down. I’m an excitable guy sometimes

[Gustavo]

There is no vig. They would have claimed.

[Gustavo]

Ok. Vote arc

[Gustavo]

You honestly think arc could flip town?

[Gustavo]

If you are town why aren’t you providing content or giving feedback on what others say? You just blindly sheeped somebody into your town read.

[Gustavo]

[Gustavo]

I’m not voting wilky

[Gustavo]

I honestly can’t believe people are ok with letting her live another day. I’ve lost all hope in people in this game

[Gustavo]

Whatever. I’ll let wilky say his final words and vote him. I don’t even care anymore

[Gustavo]

Wilky’s Claim doesn’t make sense but I guess it’s still possible. I don’t even know what kind of read on him is but I scum read you/morality/arc for very specific reasons. I don’t trust either of you 3. I don’t even trust the other 2 lurkers, one of which is confirmed town. I like uma’s Attempt at a catchup. Not sure why arc couldn’t have done something like that.

Arc freaked out over some pressure for her lurking and she went off the rails. It’s the worst freak out I’ve probably ever seen over something so trivial. She doesn’t deserve to be in this game anymore. She’s not analyzing anything. Stringing her along is terrible when she is basically confirmed scum.

It’s one of my first games back in like 3 years and there is at least 4 players I have no desire to play with again. So if nobody else is caring, I won’t either.

[Gustavo]

If aa9 as town does this as town I’m surprised she hadn’t been run off site. I was run off for less.

[Gustavo]

We clearly don’t have a vig though.

[Gustavo]

We clearly don’t have a vig though.

Who is the SK then?
Only SK I'm willing to buy in this game is Morality, and I'm getting fairly certain they are town here.

That's exactly who it is. SK can easily look town cause he doesn’t know who scum is either.

[Gustavo]

2 scum with SK
3 scum with SK

Those are the only possibilities

[Gustavo]

how do you tell the difference between an SK and town? It is very easy to play as town when you don't know who mafia is. An experienced player like morality could pull that off.

[Gustavo]

Probably voyc. To look like a vig

[Gustavo]

Cause mafia will kill them tonight

[Gustavo]

But mafia knows I’m only protecting nm. The vig can shoot them

[Gustavo]

Lmk when y’all are done. Wilky doesn’t seem to be coming back

[Gustavo]

VOTE: wilky

Whatever

[Gustavo]

Oh man you wish I insulted you. The things I could say about you would get me permabanned. Regardless of your alignment you are always a cancer and yes I’ve played with you before and know this.

[Gustavo]

I’m not who you think I am unless you are an alt and have been on site 3 years+

I’m sorry but the only thing I did wrong with regards to arc was the comment that got me a warning. I was right to call her scum and look, she was. Her reaction and treatments towards me were toxic as hell, so toxic it drove me to make that statement.

She played up her fake emotional outrage in started attacking me. Duck her.

If people would just leave me alone then I wouldn’t have to defend myself. That’s why things get out of hand.