Mish Mash Reorganization

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Post Post #0 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:06 am

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We're doing a small amount of reorganization around the Mish Mash area. T
his forum is now known as "Other Forum Games" (mirroring many other sites for the ease of new players), and it's found under the "The Whole General Sort of Mish Mash" category, which now has both Large Social Games and Other Forum Games under it.
CuddlyCaucasian, xRECKONERx and xofelf are now all known as Mish Mash List Moderators and will oversee both. This shouldn't lead to many changes for most of you.
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:19 am

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i am virulently against this for no good reason
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:11 pm

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Yeah, this just feels really bad in the gut. Like we've been demoted to a part of the site people care about even less?
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:19 pm

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Is it a demotion? the only change was to the name and having reck, xo and CC all officially covering both (which was already practically the case).

Happy to use a different name, but anecdotally newer players find mish mash slower than they otherwise would with something that aligned with expectations. I don't have survey information to back that up, though, and you guys are much closer involved.
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:43 pm

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"other games" seems like a bit of a downgrade lol
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:44 pm

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I'm fairly sure everybody is still going to refer to "Other Forum Games" as "Mish-Mash" so I don't see how this is a big deal.
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:54 pm

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Just for what it's worth, mish mash previously was under "Other Games" as a category although I don't really expect people to notice the categories as they're fairly small compared to the forum names. In essence, the names got swapped so that Mish Mash includes LSG and "Other Games" rather than "Other Games" including Mish Mash and LSG. That allowed our listmods to be called "Mish Mash List Moderators" rather than "Other Games List Moderators" which it was felt was awkward. Again, I'm not married to this change or anything if we can come up with an acceptable alternative.
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:00 pm

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far more people (and a wider group) play mish mash than lsgs, and far more people use the subforum because lsgs are offsite. Mish-mash should be promoted more. LSGs should honestly just be a subforum, tbh.
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:27 pm

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Next you'll be telling us we'll lose the mafia section names
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:12 pm

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honestly just name it Forum Games?
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:12 pm

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that works for me too.
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:45 pm

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I agree with Hiplop about Forum Games being better.
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:36 pm

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In post 9, hiplop wrote:honestly just name it Forum Games?
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:08 pm

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In post 2, JDGA wrote:Yeah, this just feels really bad in the gut.
In post 0, zoraster wrote:his forum is now known as "Other Forum Games" (
mirroring many other sites
for the ease of new players)
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:31 am

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''newbs are too stupid to tell what a forum games subforum is if we don't tell them outright''-Zor 2018
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:36 am

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In post 9, hiplop wrote:honestly just name it Forum Games?
This seems kinda bland. Also with the names of our other forums on site (Coney Island, Theme Park, etc) those aren't titled specifically for what they are either, I kinda agree with IPS, I don't think Newbies are THAT clueless.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:40 am

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Yeah like looking at the front page, The General Mish Mash is the title but on the other forums they actually fit their sub forums. "Mafia Games" have mafia games. "Discussion" has discussion forums. Imo Other Forum Games fits perfectly for the forum and having the whole sort of general mish mash seems fine as the sub forum

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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:35 am

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All right. I've reverted the change while we figure it out. The change as to staffing is the same (i.e. all three cover both Mish Mash and LSG), so at the very least we need to come up with a name that makes it clear what they cover.

Thanks for your input, everyone!
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:01 pm

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the issue is that people dont know what mish mash is and they have to go TO the forum to find the games and the title of Mish Mash doesn't really say much

We bandied around "Non-Mafia Games" too but it didn't feel right

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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:30 pm

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In post 18, xRECKONERx wrote:the issue is that people dont know what mish mash is and they have to go TO the forum to find the games and the title of Mish Mash doesn't really say much
The only real thing to the names of the Mafia forums is that they follow a specific theme, and you have to read the forum's description to determine what
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of Mafia games are played there—the same thing you have to do to determine that Mish Mash is for non-Mafia games. With the arguable exception of the LSG, the only forums to have straightforward names are the ones where games are not played such as the queue forum and the discussion forums, and
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not necessarily true for their subforums (although it's really rare for it not to be the case). I only see this as a convincing argument in the sense that Mafia players don't really have to worry so much about the actual forum name as the type of game that's played there, unlike Mish Mash players.

I'm not sure the problem we have in people not knowing about Mish Mash can be completely solved. We were designed to be primarily a Mafia community, so we've always played second fiddle. That said, Mish Mash has been an important part of the site identity for those of us who
DO
frequent it. Changing the name of the forum in an attempt to attract more people to it is a solution in search of a problem, and the motive fails to distinguish people who would play Mish Mash games if they knew about them from people who simply don't care about Mish Mash no matter what it's called. Promoting the forum is a better idea in my opinion, and we've done that with the Mashies and the Clash of the Mash.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:08 pm

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But to sign up to PLAY the game you go to the forum clearly marked "Queue" and there is directional stuff pointing people to the right place from the home page.

"Road to Rome" isn't descriptive, but that doesn't matter, because if someone wants to play a game they aren't going there anyway.
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:30 am

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That's true, but I'm saying that that's the only part of your argument that holds water. What you tried and are continuing to suggest is like changing the name of a city because people cannot find it on the map. It's absurd, it assumes stupidity on the newbies, and it deprives Mish Mash of the identity that it's had for well over a decade. Until I'm convinced Mish Mashers actually
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:07 pm

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I think I agree with StrangerCoug here. I also don't think changing the forum's name to "Other Forum Games" is going to have a huge impact on the number of people in mish-mash.
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:38 am

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I get that the title of Mish Mash is important but it doesn't say what it does. People come to this site for Mafia, like it or not. I know I didn't venture into the MM subforums for a while because I didn't quite get what it did. If we want Mish Mash to be a larger part of the site and move towards being equal, we have to be more visible, and having a silly name doesn't help that.

It's not a solution in search of a problem. We're focused on how to grow our userbase in Mish Mash, it's something me/xof/CC talk about a lot. Visibility is the key first step.
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:01 am

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Maybe have like a stickied post that says what the Mish Mash forum is? I still don't understand why you would change "Other Forum Games" to "Mish Mash" because the mafia's forum title is 'Mafia Games' with things like 'Road to Rome, Coney Island, etc'. I guess it doesn't make sense to me why we wouldn't have a name like that for this forum when the forum title already is 'other games'.
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