Mini Normal 2015 - Lab Rat Mafia - Finished

[JarJarDrinks]

what up people? Will catchup today. Anything I specifically should pay attention to ?

[JarJarDrinks]

After 3 pages, I hard townread PenguinPower. And lean scum on Kublai.

[JarJarDrinks]

Even though I like PP, I feel like robsters questioning of him is good. KK still looking bad

Tommy E terrible post 94. How the F is KK pinging town to u?

blech @ Creature vomiting shitty 1 line posts all over page 5

[JarJarDrinks]

something I cant put my finger on about Byrons 122 that feels icky. Ircher giving me good feels on page 6

[JarJarDrinks]

I agree with Espeonage vote since they seem to be more focused on trying to find "scum" (as in, trying to find reasons why someone is scummy) instead of townhunting, but I'm kinda nervous to put him at L-2 so early in the game, I'd like to see at least a couple more people on the spot before it comes to that, since I find L-2 can quickly become volatile.

Spoiler:

[JarJarDrinks]

page 7: jorals vote on Espe (who is conf-town for me) is crappy. Jumping on him for snarkly giving a self-town read.

robster townread strengthened.

[JarJarDrinks]

robster townread strengthened.

not a fan of his readslist tho.

[JarJarDrinks]

KKs 206 is the first thing that pings town for me. Sounds like legit frustration.

[JarJarDrinks]

blech @ Creature vomiting shitty 1 line posts all over page 5

add "and p much every other page"

[JarJarDrinks]

UNVOTE:

caught up. Will do some ISO diving in a bit to determine where I'm gonna vote. And will also try to get out a readslist.

In the meantime, anyone wanna talk to me?

[JarJarDrinks]

Tommy/Byron/joral/NM/seal/Performer.

Which of these should I take out of considering as scum JJ?

I'd say performer.

I took a year or 2 break but I recall playing in a few games with performer way back and always scumread him when he was town. His playstyle just comes off as scummy.


could also take NM off as he hasnt done anything of note as of yet. I'm a fan of lynching lurkers though so wouldn't argue against.


Other 4 are really good scumreads tho

[JarJarDrinks]

Was your image for seal postivie or negative, it isn't showing for me.

It says "What The Fuck Is This Shit?

[JarJarDrinks]

Even though I like PP, I feel like robsters questioning of him is good. KK still looking bad

Tommy E terrible post 94. How the F is KK pinging town to u?

blech @ Creature vomiting shitty 1 line posts all over page 5

How exactly does KK still look bad? I mean, if you think its his tone, I think that is more or less NAI.

Alot of his posts are LAMIST af. example

Spoiler:

I'm not here to be entertained and befriended. I'm here to win.

but as I said, I gave him some townpoints so I don't wanna lynch him today. There's much better choices.

[JarJarDrinks]

Vote Count

joral (4) - UnrealSeal, Creature, ByronVilla, Ircher
ByronVilla (3) - Kublai Khan, Hopkirk, Golden Robster

These are both good lynches but I'll

VOTE: ByronVilla

Cuz Jorals wagon has 2 scumreads on it and Byrons has 2 townreads.

[JarJarDrinks]

The thing is the way Espeonage has acted has made me read his slot as town, as I'm getting that frustrated town read on him due to the nature of his posts.

What posts of my predecessor read as frustrated town to you?

[JarJarDrinks]

Townreads - PenguinPower, Ircher, robster ,Hopkirk

Scumreads - UnrealSeal, jorals, Tommy E, Byrons

Nulls on the rest

[JarJarDrinks]

That was an awful lot of words that had very little to do w what I asked.

[JarJarDrinks]

@Byron

Are you saying that "super angry", "passionate", "faking emotion" describes espe's play this game?

[JarJarDrinks]

Scumreads - UnrealSeal, jorals, Tommy E, Byrons

Remind me, why is Tommy scum?

I scumread him for 94. I dont think it was natural for him to ping town on KK @ that point.

Also just re-ISOd him and nothing looks particularly town there.

[JarJarDrinks]

Even though I like PP, I feel like robsters questioning of him is good. KK still looking bad

Tommy E terrible post 94. How the F is KK pinging town to u?

blech @ Creature vomiting shitty 1 line posts all over page 5

So this is what your whole scum read is based from?

Well sure. It's 13 pages on day one and you've made like 10 posts. Reads are obviously gonna still be kinda shallow @ this phase.

I even explained the slight town lean on the slot.

Where?

[JarJarDrinks]

Also, why has joral been an sr for folks?? Nothing stands out from his ISO when I looked at it. He's looking like he was trying to figure things out.

Here's what I got:

page 7: jorals vote on Espe (who is conf-town for me) is crappy. Jumping on him for snarkly giving a self-town read.

[JarJarDrinks]

But the rest of joral's ISO, I found he mentioned why he voted esp...which looked like a reasonable town process.

Meh, he voted him for a snarky comment.

[JarJarDrinks]

Why is it bad

[JarJarDrinks]

So tempted, so tempted

I'mma take this as intent so Byron should claim.

[JarJarDrinks]

Right I'm going to bed now.

If people are planning on hammering, can I remind you there's no need to rush the day right now when we still have a decent amount to talk about, such as:
.People's view on the large wagon we have going (and hopefully some explanations behind them instead of just calling the wagon good/bad)
.The new replacement's thoughts and reads
.Letting people like PP, Khan & N_M (not putting too much faith in him) talk about their reads on JJD

Like sure you can hammer now and rush a D2 to get the game rolling, but imo there's a lot more we should talk about before we end the day.

Well dude, there's a pretty big wagon on U. Care to comment on it?

If ur town then surely u must think there's scum voting for u. Who is it?

[JarJarDrinks]

So tempted, so tempted

I'mma take this as intent so Byron should claim.

Nah, get out.

Why is it bad

[JarJarDrinks]

mason tracker is a real role?

So Seal, ur confirmed town to one or more people?

[JarJarDrinks]

I've played that trick multiple times, I'm not going to fall for it as scum, it's a gambit, I'm VT

if u believe it's a gambit why claim?

[JarJarDrinks]

mason tracker is a real role?

So Seal, ur confirmed town to one or more people?

anyone?

[JarJarDrinks]

Mason tracker is normal right? Voting after I get a chance to check.

I already got it mod-confirmed that it is.

Man it just seems like super strong to have an informative role that can be town confirmed.

[JarJarDrinks]

Seal if this is gambit, come clean please. I've seen too many games of mafia get ruined by people with egos.

[JarJarDrinks]

lol I appreciate the effort

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[JarJarDrinks]

actually UNVOTE: before the self hamer

[JarJarDrinks]

don't want to put him to L-1 until everyone has a chance to chime in.

[JarJarDrinks]

ByronVilla (7) - Kublai Khan, Hopkirk, Golden Robster, JarJarDrinks, Performer, Ircher, Not_Mafia

I kinda doubt there's any scum besides N_M on the wagon.

Tomorrows lynch should definitely be from the people not voting scum day 1.

[JarJarDrinks]

This isn't making meaningful discussion. What would be making meaningful discussion is getting information out of the people already in the thread, for example Creature, what makes you say that PP has done 'absolutely nothing'? In my opinion he's done quite a lot compared to say, you.

I don't think Byron defends his scumbuddy like this

[JarJarDrinks]

Like Byron gave PP an unprompted strong town read all game. I just don't buy them being scum/scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

While it may not be in town's long term interest, I want the other mason to claim to verify Seal's claim. I just cannot accept it at the moment as a truthful and honest claim; I'm not necessarily saying Seal is scum, but I do think this might be an extended gambit.

I think this is where I'm at as well.

[JarJarDrinks]

@jar sadly you and ircher want the buddy to claim. I say it's not a good idea. I'm worried.

If the claim is true then seal is dead tonight so why not give us the other conf-town before we head into night?

[JarJarDrinks]

Spoiler:

[JarJarDrinks]

It would also mean that any actual town protectives (if there is one) would have to decide between saving two people instead of just me.

Huh, ur a tracker right? You're not claiming that your partner is a mason PR as well are U?

[JarJarDrinks]

I unvoted

[JarJarDrinks]

should be some prods happening.

[JarJarDrinks]

Not buying NM's switch claim.

Yeah NM is almost surely scum.

My concern is this is a crazy scum play where NM and Seal are scumbudies. Seal then 'admits' that it was just a gambit and then becomes practically conf-town because he got NM lynched. It wouldn't be totally out of the question for a scumteam that is doing terrible.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid but I'd feel much better w/ Seal giving us who his partner is.

[JarJarDrinks]

@JJ- that plan falls apart when we hit massclaim numbers and he doesn't have a partner alive to fakeclaim. NM/US loses unless people buy NM's second claim as far as I can tell.

I accounted for that in my theory when I said that he pretends it was a gambit.

But hey as long people agree to lynch Seal if it turns out he was lying even if NM is scum then I'm cool.

[JarJarDrinks]

I don't see very much that town gains by keeping it secret.

[JarJarDrinks]

Performer. Why would we lynch seal if NM flipped town?

[JarJarDrinks]

Because that suggests unreal could've fakeclaimed against nm.

no it doesn't. NM says he did indeed make the visit.

[JarJarDrinks]

Tommy hasn't posted in a week. The replacement hasn't posted.

[JarJarDrinks]

jorals replacement I mean

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm not willing to go that far yet. If PM somehow DOESN'T flip scum here, then we can discuss.

except we're lynching NM today not PM.

[JarJarDrinks]

I've got my eyes on both Joral & Not_Mafia right now

I can't buy byron posting this sentence about both his scumbuddies.

[JarJarDrinks]

also note that joral was the counterwagon to byron

[JarJarDrinks]

I've got my eyes on both Joral & Not_Mafia right now, they've both done virtually nothing in the game so far, and if the game is being stalled by mafia then it's likely being done by at least one of these two.

Creature I still feel iffy on, but I agree on the direction he's taking the discussion and so I'm going to join him on Joral for now.

Joral & Not_Mafia, if you want to stay in this game you need to be proactive and actually be contributing to some discussions. If you continue to sit back and let others drag the game through the mud you're going to be of no use to us, and so it's very likely you'll both be axed off very soon. Seal should probably do this a bit more too, but he's not at the shockingly low level of activity that both Joral and Not_Mafia have shown.

UNVOTE: Creature
VOTE: Joral

New post: Espy is a spot that falls in with Joral/Not_Mafia, however they were still actually communicating with other members of the town (albeit in a kind of anti-town way with the whole not reading thing), which makes me get much more of that frustrated town vibe from them. I also want to give JJD the benefit of the doubt as a replacement and see what he can do with the slot before I make any more judgements.

Sorry but I'm treating the joral slot as town based on this post (and others like it). It's just a classic scum move to call out ur scumbuddy along w/ a townie and then vote the townie.

And keep in mind joral had 2 votes on him @ this point so it really gave the wagon some oomph @ the time.

[JarJarDrinks]

nobody forget that if Seal lives through the night, he gets lynched unless his partner claims.

[JarJarDrinks]

I think we're done here.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[JarJarDrinks]

Anyone wanna claim the Performer kill?

Vote: Projectmatt

I think Hiraki is likely town but as I said, things point to the joral slot being town.

Gonna do some rereads to see who we should lynch today. Might be leaning penguin.

I dont think we need to mass claim but I wouldnt mind mason #2 claiming. Also the vig can claim the shot too.

[JarJarDrinks]

either PP or TE today

Don't want to lynch Hiraki (the TE slot). I think PP is prob best lynch.

[JarJarDrinks]

in the back of my mind am like "did ircher bus"

I have this in my mind as well but it's just a tiny voice that I'm gonna ignore until we actually mislynch.

[JarJarDrinks]

Why am I the best lynch?

IDK cuz U B kinda scummy?

alot of it is PoE. U haven't really done too much protown that I can see. U ignored the Byron wagon. U have like no scum reads, haven't voted today so it looks like ur keeping ur options open.

[JarJarDrinks]

Town points for me then.

Why would u get townpoints for ignoring a wagon that flipped scum?

U have like no scum reads

how u no this?

cuz I've read the words u've posted

haven't voted today so it looks like ur keeping ur options open.

Neither have you or half of the other players.

fair point:

VOTE: PenguinPower

[JarJarDrinks]

I've only once not bussed my scum buddy, usually from the get go.

So in essence you're saying that you should be townread because you didn't help town and lynch scum.

That the only way it would make sense to scumread you is if you did something protown?

[JarJarDrinks]

seriously people votes on PP.

"I cant be scum cuz I didn't bus" is trash.

predeit

reads change dude. but I did forget about that Byron interaction. I will reevaluate.

[JarJarDrinks]

what exactly is a Mafia Informed Mafioso?

Wiki was pretty vague.

[JarJarDrinks]

How likely joral was some bus?

499 is my reasoning for thinking it's unlikely

[JarJarDrinks]

I feel like scum is pretty obvious rn but we gotta find town to feel better.

I think the problem is I have too much town.

[JarJarDrinks]

Are you townreading everyone alive?

kinda.

UNVOTE:

JJD from earlier in the game convinced me my PP read is prob off.

[JarJarDrinks]

I guess we wait and see what project matt has to say .

[JarJarDrinks]

How do people feel about Creature?

Hmm, now that u mention it, I cant remember why I've been giving creature a free pass. I feel like I was townreading him @ some point but no clue why.

[JarJarDrinks]

I guess I was townreading him cuz he was so blatantly against the Byron lynch that he'd have known was about to flip red but it could be wifom.

[JarJarDrinks]

just noticed something:

This was Byron after the hammer:

Ok nevermind then.

ggwp, if someone could go through this D1 again after the game and show me what I did wrong that would be super helpful. I feel like I slipped up on wording and that's what got me lynched, but that sounds too weak to be lynched on so idk.

May the best team win.

New post: I was at L-1. I'm lynched.

Does that read like he's for sure coming out as scum?

[JarJarDrinks]

cuz this was creatures next post:

Well, atleast I'm less likely to die tonight.

[JarJarDrinks]

give more creature.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'll do projectmatt or creature, dont even really have a preference. Pretty sure we lynch them back 2 back and we win.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'll do projectmatt or creature, dont even really have a preference. Pretty sure we lynch them back 2 back and we win.

why did you ignore my questions from the last page? why did your reads just do a 180?

Questions seemed kind of vague. what specifically are u asking?

[JarJarDrinks]

my question now would be: how did you just go from scumreading penguinpower and townreading me and creature to suddenly deciding that the mafia is definitely inbetween me and creature?

Was I townreading creature? IDK that I ever had a strong read on him.


As for you, my townread on u has mostly been based on association w byron. But I'm starting to PoE so I'm gonna need more if u want me to keep townreading u.


My penguin read:
Here is why I initially scumread him

alot of it is PoE. U haven't really done too much protown that I can see. U ignored the Byron wagon. U have like no scum reads, haven't voted today so it looks like ur keeping ur options open.

Here's where PP reminds me of the earlier townread I had on him

I did forget about that Byron interaction. I will reevaluate.

I reevaluated and felt my original reasoning stood which I mention here:

Are you townreading everyone alive?

kinda.

UNVOTE:

JJD from earlier in the game convinced me my PP read is prob off.

[JarJarDrinks]

Creature isn't scum.

tell me why?

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm actually starting to think that lynching Creature (at least for today) isn't the correct move.

Hmm, what r u guys seeing?

I don't need much convincing to do matt today. Just wanna get u guys' thoughts.

[JarJarDrinks]

Have we given projectmatt enough time?

I've been ready to drop a vote on him for a few days now but ircher implied he may have something he wants to talk about today so figured I'd wait a little

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: projectmatt

[JarJarDrinks]

someone just hammer

[JarJarDrinks]

yeah I guess we need to wait for the claim ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz........

[JarJarDrinks]

someone just hammer

someone just hammer

[JarJarDrinks]

UNVOTE:

[JarJarDrinks]

Not around now. But want to discuss later.

[JarJarDrinks]

*sigh*

why are you sighing when the town is in an objectively good position

cuz it's like the game that never ends.

[JarJarDrinks]

PJ replaced into the joral slot I don't understand why you're all voting this

have you not read byron posts where he says he SR' both joral and N_M and then proceeds to vote joral

just reek of classic "throw shade on partner but vote town"

Yeah I said earlier that I was treating his slot a conf-town because of this. I don't really know what changed my mind aside from PoE and him flaking out this phase.

I will not do Hiraki. I didn't like Tommy E that much but the slot is now town for sure.

lets do creature

[JarJarDrinks]

499 is where I talk about reasons for TRng the joral/PM slot.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: creature

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: PenguinPower

claim

[JarJarDrinks]

IDK all the other people are pretty town.

WHat are u fine with?

[JarJarDrinks]

why in the worlds would u ever be fine w ur own lynch ?

And I gave a reason: You ignored the Byron wagon. Then when I questioned u on it u said u should get townpoints.

Is the reason you gave for voting PM better or worse than that ?

[JarJarDrinks]

Where is YOUR reasoning?

[JarJarDrinks]

I already gave it. Learn to read.

Liar.

Ur vote was just on projectmatt. You did not give reasons.

[JarJarDrinks]

also are u still refusing to claim? Ur at L-1 yo.

[JarJarDrinks]

And I gave a reason: You ignored the Byron wagon. Then when I questioned u on it u said u should get townpoints.

[JarJarDrinks]

reason is cuz there's no one better. I'd prob prefer creature but when I tried that wagon, people wanted U instead.

[JarJarDrinks]

Someone hammer pls.

[JarJarDrinks]

intending to hammer soon.

Spoiler:

[JarJarDrinks]

if this flips town then I think creature.

Hiraki still town.

[JarJarDrinks]

Mass claim time. Don't even care what order.

[JarJarDrinks]

VT

[JarJarDrinks]

VT.
Which is confusing since that's 5 vts with6 alive and 2 apparent PRS.

2?

[JarJarDrinks]

Go on...

[JarJarDrinks]

K well I lied,

I'm town JK.

Night 1

- Tommy Egan

Night 2

- Hiraki (he replaced into the TE slot but since TE wasn't the night 1 attacker, I tried it again)

Night 3

- Creature

[JarJarDrinks]

that's why I kept trying to skirt around why I TRd Hiraki.

[JarJarDrinks]

My last post of yesterday:

if this flips town then I think creature.

Hiraki still town.

was supposed to be a crumb so if I died, you'd have known that I targeted creature and had a green on hiraki.

[JarJarDrinks]

I think it's hopkirk

[JarJarDrinks]

I think PM AND Robster are town based off this.

PJ replaced into the joral slot I don't understand why you're all voting this

have you not read byron posts where he says he SR' both joral and N_M and then proceeds to vote joral

just reek of classic "throw shade on partner but vote town"

[JarJarDrinks]

Like that looks REAAAALY good for robster.

PM was @ L-1 and people were asking for a hammer. Why does a scum robster stop that lynch?

[JarJarDrinks]

I also believe that scum was informed about the masons having dual roles. I feel like hopkirk was going out of his way to appear ignorant of the subject.

Mason tracker is normal right? Voting after I get a chance to check.

@Psyche: Would you count a mason tracker as a normal role?

I assume anything privately confirmable is also publically confirmable. Alternatively, everyone can just pm the mod. That either gives us the answer, or confirms a player is lying as you can't give that kind of info to some players who ask but not others.

Not buying NM's switch claim.
Other scum off the wagon.

Anyway, I'm not invested in the game because it seems solved by night action stuff as long as we don't hammer a mason/vig.

VT.
Which is confusing since that's 5 vts with6 alive and 2 apparent PRS.

[JarJarDrinks]

Yes it sucks alot that both of my targets that I can clear died and is town-confed. I was not a very good PR.

but cmon man , jailkeeper fake claim? Ur not gonna try to sell that are u ?

[JarJarDrinks]

curious

[JarJarDrinks]

mod cant answer it but I can.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Mafia must specify which member is performing the factional kill each night. A mafia member may not both kill and use a power role in the same night by default.

[JarJarDrinks]

woot

VOTE: hopkirk

[JarJarDrinks]

mason/vig creature ?

[JarJarDrinks]

/sigh

[JarJarDrinks]

JUST vig? not a mason?

[JarJarDrinks]

well then yeah we need the other mason to claim and then yeah we prob win.

[JarJarDrinks]

I still don't know what creatures claim is.

[JarJarDrinks]

well then yeah we need the other mason to claim and then yeah we prob win.

It makes your claim less believable

I get that but I still think we win. Just need to know the mason.

[JarJarDrinks]

neat. i'm a vanilla townie.

i legitimately haven't been able to post due to work and life, but upon close consideration i think that my reads in this game were largely off and that it was kind of stupid of me to scumread hiraki.

one of my townreads is mafia, and it very well might be penguin after a brief iso.

anyway, good luck. sorry i didn't get to impact this game as much as i had wanted to.

[JarJarDrinks]

that was @ L-1. maybe he forgot?

[JarJarDrinks]

if PM is mason then we definitely win. But even if not, I'm pretty sure we do anyway.

[JarJarDrinks]

I feel like PM claims mason on L1 yesterday if he was.

yeah but like .... who's left?

all we need is a mason claim to win.

[JarJarDrinks]

If PM is mason then only non-confirmeds are me, Irch, Hop.

So we lynch Hop and and if he flips town I jail ircher. If a kill goes through lynch me, otherwise lynch ircher. If I was scum and no-killed then town gets another lynch

[JarJarDrinks]

yeah PM shows up and hardclaims mason and we autowin.

I think this was pretty town-sided btw.


pedit: do what?

[JarJarDrinks]

oh check role? sure

[JarJarDrinks]

still a Jailkeeper

[JarJarDrinks]

One mason is not normal, right?

Not definite, but Unreal claimed to have a partner anyway.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mason

Masons, regardless of when they are allowed to speak to each other, are considered Normal on mafiascum.net, provided they are Town-aligned. A Masonry must contain at least two Masons.

[JarJarDrinks]

shit can there be a scum vig?

[JarJarDrinks]

It sounds like we autowin at night.

If PM claims the mason, we do

as I stated

we lynch Hop and and if he flips town I jail ircher. If a kill goes through lynch me, otherwise lynch ircher. If I was scum and no-killed then town gets another lynch

[JarJarDrinks]

Also, since Vig and mason aren't the same thing, the point about me 'pretending' not to be informed isn't valid.

Fair point.

[JarJarDrinks]

Okay, so mastina designed this...... Hmmm.....

don't know who that is or what it entails but normal guidelines are normal guidelines right ?

[JarJarDrinks]

even if u don't consider me confirmed, town still wins in the scenario I outlined.

[JarJarDrinks]

huh golden is confirmed right?

[JarJarDrinks]

well now we don't autowin unless u all consider me confirmed

[JarJarDrinks]

Ok so plan:

lynch hopkirk

jail ircher

If there's a kill, lynch PM otherwise ircher.


sound good to all?

[JarJarDrinks]

Oh and the informed hopkirk theory is back in effect

[JarJarDrinks]

Ok so plan:

lynch hopkirk

jail ircher

If there's a kill, lynch PM otherwise ircher.

This autowins right?

[JarJarDrinks]

If I were scum, you'd be dead based on Seal's code. I feel it's reasonably clear how I interpreted it there since I mentioned it was obvious slightly after the code was posted, then pointed out why I thought it within 1m of the claim.

do you disagree w the above plan?

[JarJarDrinks]

If so lets lynch PM now/swap the order and win a few days earlier.

I do appreciate you playing to you wincon and not lying down hopkirk. But any doubt I had is gone at this point. Ur flipping scum here.

[JarJarDrinks]

wait no how?

[JarJarDrinks]

meh I cant see robstr lying here

[JarJarDrinks]

Mod, not asking for a prod but maybe a day start PM?

[JarJarDrinks]

then Robster is confirmed mafia though

lol

two kills N2

he meant if PM is mason vig.

[JarJarDrinks]

Strongman worries me. same plan as before but I'll Jail PM instead of Ircher.

[JarJarDrinks]

wtf is the point of a tracker if I'm just gonna RB him ?

[JarJarDrinks]

Creature is town cuz kill went through last night.

[JarJarDrinks]

oh u mean cuz he could be the SM.

It worries me about ircher cuz he put forth the plan that loses to a strongman.

[JarJarDrinks]

What about:
Town Mason Tracker + Town 2-Shot Vig v. Mafia Informed + Mafia Goon + Mafia Goon?

where's JK?

[JarJarDrinks]

there's 3 unconfirmeds: Hopkirk, Ircher, PM
Hopkirk brought up the strongman possibility. Ircher came up w/ the plan. That makes PM the least likely to be a strongman.

Lynch Hopkirk
Jail Projectmatt


This wins the game unless PM is a strongman which I find unlikely. In fact I find it unlikely that PM is scum at all.

[JarJarDrinks]

Or lynch ProjectMatt and Jail Hopkirk. We win quicker that way.
I'm finished doubting all of my townreads. That was fun.

this loses to strongman hopkirk.

[JarJarDrinks]

We’re back to autowin btw cuz of Unreal kill eating up Strongman.

Strongman isn’t super likely in the first place and it’s even more skeptical that scum still have a strongman shot.

I know but cant blame me for being paranoid. U don't have any major objection to me JKing PM instead of u ?

[JarJarDrinks]

I will jail projectmatt

[JarJarDrinks]

yeah if he was town he could selfhammer

[JarJarDrinks]

OMG that's so scummmmY!Q!!

[JarJarDrinks]

Wow, you should lynch me for it.

you said you were leaving. LIAR!

[JarJarDrinks]

don't forget:

I will jail projectmatt

[JarJarDrinks]

Just want everyone to agree that if for some reason PM doesn't flip scum here then Ircher gets lynched tomorrow no matter what.

[JarJarDrinks]

woot. GG all.

scum and dead threads?

[JarJarDrinks]

Mason tracker feels like an OPed role. Once it had the guilty on NM, there was literally nothing he could do.