Newbie 1874 - Game over

[OnlyIAmMe]

Ending my v/la today, will be here later.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Newbie 1874

Player list

OnlyIAmMe
stan1ey
callitwhatyouwant
FChariot
Lefty
Iconeum (SE)
Draynth (SE)
Ircher (SE)
UnaBombaH (IC)

Alive (9/9):

Spoiler:

OnlyIAmMe
stan1ey
callitwhatyouwant
FChariot
Lefty
Iconeum (SE)
Draynth (SE)
Ircher (SE)
UnaBombaH (IC)

Dead (0/9):

Spoiler:

None yet.

Game Events

vote:draynth

because why not

[OnlyIAmMe]

Sorry!

[OnlyIAmMe]

This day one seems to be very slow.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Nothing other than an RVS vote.

[OnlyIAmMe]

@draynth My vote was RVS, I was not saying you were scum. What do i think of the lefty/ircher interaction? Ircher's boldness feels town, as do lefty's posts.

[OnlyIAmMe]

unvote

because draynth is seeming more town. Would vote fc but I don't like the idea of lynching when not all people have had a chance to speak.

[OnlyIAmMe]

I played one game as vt and got replaced in another, used to play tos but that's it.

[OnlyIAmMe]

vote:fchariot

[OnlyIAmMe]

I voted fchariot because of their bw on lefty, and then their previous posts. I'm not unvoting just because they seem new. Fchariot, do you play tos ranked? Why do you think wagonning in tos helps town?

[OnlyIAmMe]

Would some consider what I am doing active lurking? Sometimes I feel i don't post enough, but it's pretty hard to comment on things. I was never a good scumhunter.

[OnlyIAmMe]

I don't know what to make of UnaBombaH. I've only played with them as a SE. I have to reread the game we played together when I get time. I'll post it here when i get time.

[OnlyIAmMe]

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=76009, Newbie 1865. We were both VT.

[OnlyIAmMe]

vote:lefty

Scum > lefty > una

Why couldn't you have just asked Una about the Fc eagkn? Think you're too hasty for town. Why single out Una, who was only trying to add more discussion? Why not other people?

I do not think scum!Una would have a good motivation for avoiding the fc wagon. Buddying would be too obvious, if both scum. Maybe pocketing? But then you could say the same of lefty, couldn't you?

Why did I say lefty seems town? They don't.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Ebwop: the fc wagon.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Is there a big difference between l-3 and l-2 duing rvs-like stages?

[OnlyIAmMe]

And which is more at fault usually, the l-1 vote or hammer vote?

[OnlyIAmMe]

Well, lefty, you asked both of us. My bad for not sering that. But couldn't you have asked again? My scum > you > una meant that out of you two, yiu are more scummy. Una seems town based on my previous game.

Call your SR most of a gut read.

[OnlyIAmMe]

My sr's are as follow:

Lefty
Fchariot
Ircher
Stan1ey
Draynth
UnaBombaH
Kernel

Iconeum/replacement

[OnlyIAmMe]

Ninja, do you mean strong town or scum for lefty?

[OnlyIAmMe]

Maybe it's wifom, stan1ey? Some scum may wantto seem more town by acting like what people think town players do. I also think the fact una ignored fc's wagon is not that big of a deal. Didn't fc vote lrfty and put them into l2 thinking they were scum? Isn't that what stan1ey is doing, why is there not a wagon on them?

[OnlyIAmMe]

If not, why did you encourage me to place my vote on FC? Why say this now instead of when fc was being waggonned?

[OnlyIAmMe]

@stan1ey if you don't think l-2 is a bad thing, why did you not say this about the reason fc was being waggoned? Also, if you did think it was a bad thing, how would you know what to do, vote the person who originally l-2'd, or the one who l-2'd the l-2'er?

[OnlyIAmMe]

Just trying to make another case. I'm talking about the fact that you

didn't

say that putting someone at l-2 id a bad thing. I'm 99% sure that was the main reason--joining a wagon and putting an l-2 vote on someone.

[OnlyIAmMe]

I meant to say isn't a bad thing.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Yes, it did. You might've been better off if you didn't say that.
Stan1ey, why did you only say it wasn't a bad thing qhen I said "why is there not a wagon on stan1ey"? Why did you not say it during the FC wagon?

[OnlyIAmMe]

My post 199 says that if you don't think l-2 is a bad thing, if you disagree on why someone is voted why would you tell others to vote them?
Not once did you say "don't vote FC! L-2 isn't bad!"
This conversation isn't pointless for me. It lets me see how you respond against attacks(even "pointless" ones) and how you try to defend yourself.
Know that I do not care what others say about this attack. This is supposed to be just me and you, I think.
We shouldn't be going in circles. I want to know why you said the message about l-2 when you thought it'd benefit you but not FChariot?
I'm not understanding what you're not understanding.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Assuming scum!you, you could have tried to defend fc woth the not bad l-2 argument. Results:

Town fc attacks you for defending or thinks are pocketing. Not good.
Town fc trusts stan1ey. Good.
Town fc is myslynched, pocketing fails.???
Scum fc attacks stan1ey. Depends?
Scum fc works with scum stan1ey to mislynch others. Not sure?
Scum fc/stan1ey is lynched. Other is suspicious. Good for town.

Any other outcomes, people, if scum! Stan1ey defended fc? Or is this all wrong and I'm an idiot for thinking these scenarios?

[OnlyIAmMe]

With my outcomes i think if that is the scumteam, stan1ey would have no good outcome for defending. If town, there is a chance of one(even if it looks susp). The suspicious part about pocketing is why scum!stan1ey would not do this. They wouldnt bus either. This is why scum!stan1ey didn't defend fc.

Assuming scum!stan and my own belief of stan's playstyle.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Stan, my point is the above.
You defend yourself but not others. Town should also try and find other town, not just scum.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Too many posts?

Why would town stan not defend fc in this situation, Una? Aren't you the one to ask for game theory questions?

[OnlyIAmMe]

I'm not talking about you telling me to vote them. I'm talking about how fc was mainly a wagon for their l-2 vote. I'm saying if yiu believe this you should have said something.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Stan1ey, here's a bonus if you're confused: you sayinf l-2 isn't bad qhen i said there wasn't a wagon on you is scummy, as the reason i think tge fc wagon started is because of an l-2 vote.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Stan1ey, I'm sorry. I had thought fc did something similar to ircher. It was nice to hear your responses though. Thanks for clearing it up Lefty.

[OnlyIAmMe]

During the times of mylo and Kernel being caught up, una can form better reads on other people. They are the last two people to post, they should catch up before una claims. Lefty, can you quote una on the post about not claiming?

Forcing people to claim early helps scum.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Sorry forninactity, I'm not at my computer. I am against the Una wagon.

My s list now, I think.

Lefty
Fchariot
Stan1ey/oiam
Kerel/draynth
Mylo
Irher
Una

If lefty is town, would a scumteam of fc/stan1ey be more possible?

I think stan1ey is not a d1 lynch. Probably fc.

Getting to my computer soon.

[OnlyIAmMe]

I've said this before. An fc lynch is fine.

[OnlyIAmMe]

A*

[OnlyIAmMe]

vote:fchariot

Una, I'll lynch stan1ey, but not today. I dislike fchariot more.

Lefty/fc/stan is my current scumteam. Two of three? Waiting for kernel.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Here's part of my reasoning, someone else probably mentioned this.

Inactives ~< Lurkers > Others.

Fc's posts seem forced and slow. Posting every few days. Not trying to be rude, but iChari admits being inactive and claims to be bad, what is there to lose? Or wecould lynch stan1ey? Reasoning others give and their scum claim.

What do you players think of LAL?

[OnlyIAmMe]

And by the time of FC's town post(110?), they have me in their list for active scumhunting. I don't think I was scumhunting at this time? Iirc my only serious vote was on fc, I'm switching back to view this.

Will 'edit' accordingly.

[OnlyIAmMe]

As of friday, I will be v/la until Tuesday. Thus I still feel a need to get more motion in this game.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Guys, you can't all be scum..
You've all been dancing around the subject, yet none of you is willing to accept the obvious fact.

I SHOULD NEVER BE THE LYNCH HERE, AS I WILL DEFINITELY BE NK'd sooner or later. I will not make it to LyLo, and I'm fine with that.

Oh hey, we agree some more. Una is gonna flip lol

Sooner or later yes.
SHOULDN'T BE TODAY THOUGH.

@UnaBombaH: While I don't want to over-rush you, you really only have until the end of tomorrow to finish your ISOs.

Oh, really no problem there.
I'll be finished before lunch today.

Oh hey, we agree some more. Una is gonna flip lol

(Pro Tip: It's okay to reevaluate at times. In fact, now might be a good time to do so just to make sure you aren't tunneling.)

One more reason to townread Ircher.

I am fine lynching them and being wrong, tbh, because a lot of their points against me read like he’s making it up as he goes and is giving more speculation than casing me on actual things I’ve done.

Did you even read what I wrote about your ISO last page? No speculation there, I had very clear connections between certain posts that pinged me as scum.
So even if you know from town!Lefty PoV that I'm wrong, it doesn't mean I haven't given valid reasons to scumread you.

In fact - I do not deny that my play this game has been something that can be interpreted at scummy/dodgy/lazy, whatever.

I just deny some certain aspects that Lefty has used as the basis of their scumcase on me.

I don't really have statistics for this, but I'm thinking I've found a few things I can pin down to town!Una.

If you really read more than one of my games, you might actually have a solid read on WHY this is my towngame.
I've left hints, believe me, it's there..

Was meant to post a reply and not just quote.. Im happy with lynching Una, unless he claims a PR then we shouldnt. the reason i asked if he gets lynched a lot day 1 is because his attitude this entire game has suggested that he knows something we dont.

OK, assume I am town and do know something you do not..!

Right, so you agree with me, what i am saying is, IF una was town he would also agree with me and wouldnt be waiting for intent he would just claim now as this benefits town the most, and since he has not done so we can conclude he is mafia and still lynch him when he eventually claims a PR

No, this is flawed.
Believe me (or at least Ircher)..

it is fair for UnaBombaH to wait for someone to give intent before claiming as town!Una doesn't want to have to claim if they don't have to. (It gives mafia more info.)

This.

If anything, scum!Una has way more incentive to claim than town!Una does because it is obvious that if Una stalls to deadline, Una will be lynched, no questions asked.

AND THIS.

I would never play like this as the designated IC "for fun".
This hasn't been "fun" for me. (at least so far)

CAN WE JUST NOT FORCE ME TO CLAIM NOW, AND LEAVE THE WIFOM TO SCUM?

Una, say you're town. Might you make it to EoG, if they(scum)try to mislynch you? Unless you're a pr, then I think you'll be killed.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Accidentally quoted again.

Una, could you be a cop? Maybe instead of nk the cop could investigate you first, to see if you should be mislynched or kept alive?

[OnlyIAmMe]

huntress can you edit the quote out of my post or make it a spoiler,?

[OnlyIAmMe]

By lal i meant lynch all liars, not lurkers.

Wouldn't a nolynch be better than a lynch on a townie? Then you'd have more time to discuss.

[OnlyIAmMe]

@blackvoid I don't know why i think una is town because of our last game. I just do.

Here's what I want to say, Una's talk in the dead chat makes me think town. I'll go reread that again to verify.

Haven't played with Una as an IC.

I think most of my reads are mostly gut.

[OnlyIAmMe]

I think they have a sort of ic-like chat in the dead thread. Dead threads may not count, but Una kept thinking it was Pine until the end. Just like they do with Lefty
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you still SR Lefty, Una?

[OnlyIAmMe]

@draynth I didn't want that to be answered

I meant, is it wifom that scum shouldn't kill una? Even if they've softed pr, they haven't outright claimed it. They could be a vt trying to take away a good kill/check. Is it viable for scum to pr-hunt or should they just kill the softclaim?

[OnlyIAmMe]

And my cop post was just a speculation, trying to fake a scumslip to see a "how do you know it's maf cop" sort of post.

[OnlyIAmMe]

An example of lying:saying you are scum
I asked this because I've seen people lol'ing like that in tos.
And stan1ey.I also just wanted to know.

Isn't a newb!scum more likely to be inactive than. A newb! Town?

[OnlyIAmMe]

@blackvoid

I actually never looked at the game by the time I said Una seemed more town. I had just read the dead thread.
I guess I just wanted a reason to start/join amother wagon at the time.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Imeant my first point of calling Una town had no reasoning.
I already talked about why Una seems town.
I wanted to start another wagon because I thought Una town.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Nothing, I guess. Does everything have to have a reason?

[OnlyIAmMe]

My 375 should have mentioned most of my reads now are emotion reads.

[OnlyIAmMe]

And here's what I think of my 177: I added the based on my previous game so I didn't seem like a complete idiot who refused to lool at the reasoning given?

Pedit:
My thoughts? Una seems town. You and Ircher seem town. Draynth seems town. Mylo seems probably town. Lefty is probably scum. Fchariot is likely scum. Stan1ey is also likely scum.

What do you call reads without reasoning? Maybe my subconscious thought reasons but the only things I receive are:they seem town/scum.

I'll probably have reasons if I make it to d2. I just hope scum doesn't try to LyLo me.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Ebwop:look,not lool

[OnlyIAmMe]

Out if my tr's, my most susp. are you and mylo.
No reason.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Probably < likely in my reads

[OnlyIAmMe]

Not sure. I haven't really been thinking of anything as susp. Ajd looking at that game, there were many wagons on many people. Here that isn't happening.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Let's say my RL atm has made me lazy. I'm sure I'll be back to my grumpy self after this v/la.

Pedit:

I need to reread what lefty posted. I can't ignore my feelings. Like your weak tr on me, i have a weak sr on lefty. Yes, it probably is because of the Una push.

Una, correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't been fully reading your posts. Is the reason you didn't participate in the fc wagon because as an IC you wanted FChariot to have a good time too?

[OnlyIAmMe]

huntress can you edit the quote out of my post or make it a spoiler,?

@blackvoid

I actually never looked at the game by the time I said Una seemed more town. I had just read the dead thread.
I guess I just wanted a reason to start/join amother wagon at the time.

I don't like the way Lefty proposed the attack on Una. I can't say why this is the case.

Maybe it's their directness? And at times I think it felt like they were jok/trolling at the times, which I don't like.

Look at the end of my towngame. I think this is close to that.

It's not that I don't like MS. It's just getting a bit bland. I guess after this game I'll take a break, play tos, and come back later.

See you later? Can't guarantee I won't be back before eod or nk'd.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Why does it keep quoting things.

Hope you all get a good lynch. I actually am hoping more for a mislynch, so we can examine the mislynch/participants.

Sometimes I wish I could read the scum PT. What do you guys(or whatever) think of me?

Which game? I replaced out of my last one because I was tired and didn't want to come back. I feel bad.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Totally was thinking of something else when you said which game. I tried something new during rvs as scum, and I think by doing that I ruined the scumteam.
I shouldn't have self-voted.
Partly an influence in my sr on stan1ey.

[OnlyIAmMe]

"partly..."
Let me elaborate. Scum!me self-voted, which is nearly the same as calling yourself scum. So it wouldn't be a rash belief for me to say scum!stan1ey joked about being an MG.

[OnlyIAmMe]

vote:stan1ey

FC is being replaced, I'll let you all decide who to lynch.

Goodbye for real, now.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Ending my v/la. I didn't go to where i thought i was.

[OnlyIAmMe]

As a vt, I meant it'd be better to soft for that reason.

[OnlyIAmMe]

You misunderstand me, OkaPoka. My scum > leftu > una means that out of lefty and una, una is more town.

[OnlyIAmMe]

I never clained vt either.

[OnlyIAmMe]

What if in their scum PT lefty and fc decided to get replaced for some reason?

[OnlyIAmMe]

I think it was called a slauer's gambit? I was not trying to have Una answer that. A PR shouldn't.
I was waiting for someone to say "how do you know it is mafia cop"

Town motivation:drawing out myslynching scum

[OnlyIAmMe]

The mafia can either have 2xmg, 1mg and 1 rb, or 1mg and 1 cop. If i said the cop would proba ly investigate you, how would i know that the cop was the one chosen without being mafia?

Why is this confusing?

[OnlyIAmMe]

Yeah i'd prolly be ok taking that chance tbh. unless a better option came up, at the end of the day mafia is always gonna claim a PT

Mafia should not always claim a PR.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Yes. I didn't want the maf rolecop to claim either, that post meant that

scum would be more likely to point out what roles scum are

As in, questioning 'scumslips'involving mafia roles.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Perfect scenario:
Me:post
Scum:"wait... You say

the

mafia cop. How did you know the role was rolecop? "
Me: I didn't, you told me. Lynch this scum!

Vote:Scum

[b/]

"

[OnlyIAmMe]

unvote

Now I can be the l-1

vote:stan1ey

[OnlyIAmMe]

That is l-1!!!

[OnlyIAmMe]

What is the difference between bringing up LAL and saying you are paranoid of a mafia goon comment?

[OnlyIAmMe]

@oka who are we to decide what is likely and not likely? Have you seen Una do this in their town-pr games. Have you seen examples of this?

I know Oka seems to be scumhunting but their pred still makes me think they are scum

[OnlyIAmMe]

Let me see if I can put into words part ofmy stan sr.
I feel their scumhunting id a little weak abd maybe forced?
Does it seem to anyone else sometimes Stan is clutching to straws? I want to do a full ISO work sometime, but I don't like reading or making wall posts. Let me see the deadline; hope for an extension; tomorrow I will try. I mean, this morning.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Maybe I should've down rqs instead.

At what point is the line of mislynching scum and scumhunting town?
Or, what are the obvious gray and black(scum) areas?

[OnlyIAmMe]

Rephrase:At what points do scumhunting town and mislynching scum turn into a mix?

I mean the general population, not certain people.

Lazy Towum is me
3/5 townie
2/5 lazy scum

Because there are town scum too

[OnlyIAmMe]

Someone tell me what my scum motivation would be.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Too many people are doing work for mine to be of any significance, I think.

[OnlyIAmMe]

@mylon all PRs are in the cop categ.. Why can!'t maf have a cop?

[OnlyIAmMe]

And that perfect scenario is perfect for a reason. I had actually planned to call the person who asks a question involving that rolecop post scummy.

Ex: *post* ; *question* ; *attack*

Hypocritical of me because i questioned mylon on why there could be no rolecop.

Did mylon scumslip on purpose or accident? Or was that a genuine mistake?

[OnlyIAmMe]

Probably insane.

A rolecop is still a cop, right? Just a cop that checks roles aligned with mafia.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Yeah i'd prolly be ok taking that chance tbh. unless a better option came up, at the end of the day mafia is always gonna claim a PT

what the fuck?

okay new question: would you rather take a no lynch or a guaranteed pr lynch?

No lynch lynch obviously I'm not stupid

But in a real game you'd never do this, you would lynch any pr claim?

[OnlyIAmMe]

Yes, but through the rules a rolecop can see Mafia and not Mafia.

How did you manage to think I believed Mafia could have a town cop?

[OnlyIAmMe]

There was no reasoning, nothing should have changed with mu l-1 vote.
I was already suspicious of lefty and the way their replac. came in makesme think scum.
Same with fc. Their replacement seems like mislynching scum.
I'm thinking the team is Jay/Oka

[OnlyIAmMe]

@okapoka From what Mylo said it wax probably a mistake.
They said there couldn't be a mafia cop(rolecop), which I took as Mylo saying "there's another maf role, not cop"

@whoever said it
Oka is scum because the moderator picked them.
And because FC is scum.
@draynth
The Reason I had the l-1 vote is Because I like doing useless things.

[OnlyIAmMe]

vote:jay

Quick hammering is useless town

[OnlyIAmMe]

Jay is scum, which helps my jay/oka teamead because they distanced me and Oka, calling us both susp.(why is oka susp to you?).

[OnlyIAmMe]

Yes

[OnlyIAmMe]

They quickhammered a cop without claiming intent. Why is that a bad case?

[OnlyIAmMe]

Jay, why do you find me and Oka suspicious?

[OnlyIAmMe]

How many games have you modded?

[OnlyIAmMe]

I didn't realizwe until I looked back the first question was asked.
Does it matter who asked it? Depending on the person, shouldn't you ask the same thing each page?
The second question is relevamt because if jay had modded a lot of games, they should have seen what quickhammmering like that does for town. Although I wanted Jay's answer before this,they'll probably say!"not a lot" or "i don't rememberl

[OnlyIAmMe]

Edit: Not every page, it was this page.
But I believe it can only help to repeat.

[OnlyIAmMe]

Hi.

I have been "busy" and will try to explain my ST tmrw, but it is my brother's birthday.

[OnlyIAmMe]

I request replacement.
Although I'm dead

[OnlyIAmMe]

Good game all!
I feel i was super bad this game (spring scum for no reason).
I will take a break from MS and pop up later, hopefully as a better person and player.