Mini Normal 2015 - Lab Rat Mafia - Finished

[Performer]

Well well well. Hello all, hello byron, I recall you as well from a newbie game I think. Man, I didn't think this would begin right before weekend. This is the first fm game I ever played where there's no need for a confirmation start. Interesting.

Byron how have things been? Is this your return to fm?

Honestly I joined because I noticed Golden, who I recall playing with before. Then a few more folks joined, that I recognized.

Also, I claim 1-shot mailman who upon death, turns into a 1-shot lynchproof.

VOTE: esp because he was scum in the mini normal I as town, won in - with the remarkable implosion who I learned a lot from. Well, I learned very much from many folks, to be honest.

[Performer]

Ah that's good.
I've been gone since about Oct 2016. I left as well but returned, partly because a friend of mine insisted I rejoin FM on an offsite. So I, thought, hey, why not rejoin the super site for fm, which is here.

[Performer]

Have to do catchup.
Pg 2, the flashwagons on pp and kublai are interesting. Doesn't look AI though, as either alignment could do that.

[Performer]

Liking byr and pp's thought processes, looks like they're coming from town. If pp isn't though...Then he's quite gutsy and decisive as scum. Kublai's interaction with ircher is suspicious. I saw ircher's answer as a townie train of thinking.

[Performer]

^above post regarding page 3

[Performer]

Pg 4 : I've played with creature when he was town before, but it was two years ago. I'd trust tom and especially ircher on reading him , if it's meta you need.

[Performer]

joral, what do you think about PP doing absolutely nothing?

I don't think so. Pp was trying to get wagons going at the very start, and that's a great way to move the game.

VOTE: creature

[Performer]

Pg 6-7 make me like joral for another tr due to how he's thinking things through. Esp looks suspicious for the way he's posting on pg 7, without substance. As far as I recall, esp and nm play scum similarly - without much substance and lurking a lot.

Creature, you're right about my avatar. Kublai, esp, nm, and creature look suspicious so far, and we need a better wagon than creature after seeing the vc .

[Performer]

VOTE: espeonage

[Performer]

I believe that's L-1. @ esp

[Performer]

Hey all, been busy. Today and tomorrow will be fairly busy (tomorrow is a cousin's graduation). Will have to catch up later, hopefully by Friday at latest.

[Performer]

@golden & tom: my L-1 on esp, was for reaction testing.
@hop my vote on creature at the time, was because I had a tr on pp. I thought how could he see pp's proactive move, as doing absolutely nothing? No way. That's a flagrant misrepresentation. Then I voted creature.
@tom yes I played with nm before


Still doing catchup through the day.

[Performer]

Pg 10 interaction with creature and ircher, makes me think creature is town. I'd react the same way to ircher asking to end the day so fast at that point.

Not sure how byr interpreted me "blanking" on a question on pg10. Could NAI though.

The esp leaving on pg 10, I see that as NAI.

[Performer]

Just read pg11, and I'm at golden, pp ,creature for town right now.
Need to read some ISOs later and still haven't gotten to 12-13 yet.

Welcome, jar!

[Performer]

Yeah I'm not liking nm due to his ISO of 3 posts . But from our experience together , he should be a little easier to sort later on.

Also, why has joral been an sr for folks?? Nothing stands out from his ISO when I looked at it. He's looking like he was trying to figure things out.

I'm not the most active on d1 but man, these 2 slots. I'm thinking joral will end up being replaced but where I'm at, I'm liking that slot as tr. As for nm, nothing personal but I find his playstyle scummy. Probably does it for being hard to read in either alignment, but as I said, he should be easier to read later in the game unless he gets killed or lynched.

[Performer]

Adding jar and hop to tr based on pg 12 interactions.

UNVOTE:

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Filler just toward jarjar:

"I took a year or 2 break but I recall playing in a few games with performer way back and always scumread him when he was town. His playstyle just comes off as scummy."
This is probably the funniest FM quote about me I've seen , ever.
Going to use that as part of my signature.

@jar
I recall when I was a 1-shot neighborizer and you and angrypidgeon were scum. You did good that game.

[Performer]

But the rest of joral's ISO, I found he mentioned why he voted esp...which looked like a reasonable town process.

[Performer]

@jar joral's 166 about esp though. Damn, I have a tr on joral though. Would help for sorting more, if someone replaced in for that slot.

Need to reread byr ISO as people have been seeing something that I may have missed.

[Performer]

Ok, did an ISO on byr . The interaction between him and jar don't give me any red flags.

But I rethought the "literally blanking" accusation from byr - which is really reaching.

VOTE: byronvilla

Pp, where are you? You vanished after a big early start.

[Performer]

Hey N_M that's a nice

Guilty

result you gave me there my boy. Why don't you give me a claim.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

VT, you aint got shit

Okay fine, I didn;t want to claim but I'm JOAT, I have a doc,
cop and JK, I used the doc last night, so scum has a strongman

Ok, so unreal shows up d2, claims Mason Tracker, nm claimed super early AND he didn't vote back unreal. nm said unreal was lying, yet didn't vote him back, and nm claimed. Later he claims he fakeclaimed vt. nm later claims JOAT, and it looks like he's saying he protected khan but it failed, he speculates it's due to a strongman in the scum team. At this point if both these guys are telling the truth, they just outed themselves to scum with a target on each of their backs....sigh
Remaining prs, do NOT claim.

At the same time, If I take several steps back and further think on this, I have to wonder about the setup:
mason tracker, mason tracker, JOAT, mafia goon, scum 2, scum 3.
Trying to think if this makes sense.

I’ve seriously never heard of such a strong & strange town pr in a mini normal, and I’ve hosted a game where scum claimed tracker so that’s not farfeteched if it’s a fakeclaim for Mason Tracker. On the other hand, I always have a soft spot for our prs, and nm looks guilty even without unreal's result.

actually UNVOTE: before the self hamer

don't want to put him to L-1 until everyone has a chance to chime in.

Huge thanks to jar, completely agree on retract because nm is a quickhammer type, also thank you for waiting for me and others. You'd be appalled by the number of quickhammer and impatient players onsite nowadays.


Also,

FOS: ircher

FOS: not_mafia

FOS: unrealseal

We got lucky on the byron lynch. But didn’t you - Ircher - realize we had a quickhammer player in here - not_mafia?
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Still doing some catchup.

[Performer]

I'm town though

Based on what's transpired, I really don't believe you are.
But just case we are somehow wrong and you do end up lynched, do you have anything else to comment on other than unrealseal? What are your reads for instance?

[Performer]

Welcome , projectmatt.

[Performer]

Man....not mafia, radiantcowbells, bluebloodedtoffee, thor665, silverwolf, and implosion are the idols I've looked up to in learning a good chunk of how to play fm. So I've seen your town game, nm, and it can't be this ridiculous. I don't believe you're innocent.

@jar sadly you and ircher want the buddy to claim. I say it's not a good idea. I'm worried.

[Performer]

I'm town though

What are your reads for instance?

Believe it bitch

Eh I have to at least try, golden..
I've been in and observed too many games where it may look obvious, but turned out wrong. Sigh. Anyway, I am planning to vote nm eventually during this phase as he's at L-2 - just waiting on others to catch up and/or post.

[Performer]

I agree with jar. We lynch nm, if he still magically turns out town, lynch unreal. By the looks of things, I think that's unlikely but I've considered it as well.

I still think it's way more likely that nm is mafia, while unreal is town.

[Performer]

Lol hop

[Performer]

Because that suggests unreal could've fakeclaimed against nm.

[Performer]

Because that suggests unreal could've fakeclaimed against nm.

no it doesn't. NM says he did indeed make the visit.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying...
But regardless, it's unreal's word against nm's. As they say, nothing is confirmed unless via the host.

I'm curious on what others say as well.

Off topic: I'm just glad this game isn't going blazing fast. Easier to keep up.

[Performer]

off topic:

Performer, what's the next game you're gonna join?

I've been debating if I should join another one, but I think I'll not join a new one yet. I've considered becoming an IC for newbie games but I haven't got the time to so far.

Also, happy birthday, unrealseal.

[Performer]

From a quick ISO of khan, he voted me, pp, ircher, byron, nm. He also thought byron, I, and projectmatt/joral were scummy. I'm thinking he was too close about byron & nm, and probably a 3rd of the scum team?

[Performer]

Great work folks!! I'm so glad golden shot me on n2 LOL.

By the last half of the game, I kept thinking jjd was scum... Damn was I wrong on joral slot.

[Performer]

in hindsight, I think lynching hopkirk was dumb after he thought I was the mason; he would of obviously NK'd me

also, I hard defended PM but then again, his ATE did feel super town to me; I thought last scum would have fought tooth and nail (like hopkirk kind of)

also I'm curious about what informed mafioso was actually informed about

He was informed that there were masons in the game. This game had an interesting setup.

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WHO CALLED IT BABY

COULD'VE BEEN A PERFECT IF Y'ALL JUST LISTENED TO ME

I dread when town doesn't listen!
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Big thanks to host for hosting.

[Performer]

Just want to add that golden and jjd, I've played with you guys so many times when we're town , that even if I die, I rest assured that you guys will do well in some way.

The attention to detail and other techniques used to win, I'm consistently relieved to see.

[Performer]

I think the difference is a breadcrumb is public/knowable information whereas codes/ciphers are unknowable/based on external knowledge.

Yeah, pretty much this.

If one mason dies without the other exposed, then it gives a small benefit to scum in that they can counter-claim a mason.

[Performer]

I thought the setup was very novel. I kept thinking the 3 prs were quite powerful . I think the mafia goon could've been something different like a mafia encryptor , mafia ninja, or something else in order to balance the sides...at least in terms of abilities.

[Performer]

No problem unrealseal!