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Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Fri May 11, 2018 1:16 pm

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Reads so far:

ManWithNoName -Town
skitter30 -Mafia
Espeonage -Town
Sando -Werewolf
the worst -Town
ceejayvinoya -Mafia
TheYankeeReaper -Town
UglyDuck -Werewolf
pinturicchio -Town
Not_Mafia -Mafia
Draynth -Town

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If I got your alignment right; please confirm in the thread.
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Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Fri May 11, 2018 1:20 pm

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In post 10, ManWithNoName wrote:VOTE: the worst

He knows my secret identity
I think I do too. You're
Bono
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Spoiler: How I knew:
The Man With No Name must come from Where The Streets Have No Name. Easy!
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Post Post #14 (isolation #2) » Fri May 11, 2018 1:20 pm

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In post 10, ManWithNoName wrote:VOTE: the worst

He knows my secret identity
I think I do too. You're
Bono
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Spoiler: How I knew:
The Man With No Name must come from Where The Streets Have No Name. Easy!
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Post Post #15 (isolation #3) » Fri May 11, 2018 1:25 pm

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In post 12, the worst wrote:
In post 11, AP wrote:the worst -Town
WHO TOLD YOUUUU
Don't tell anyone, but I'm actually a

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Post Post #17 (isolation #4) » Fri May 11, 2018 1:39 pm

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AP-less = Austin
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ManWithNoName -Town
skitter30 -Mafia
Espeonage -Town
Sando -Werewolf/Mafia
the worst -Town
ceejayvinoya -
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TheYankeeReaper -Town
UglyDuck -Werewolf/Mafia
pinturicchio -Town
Not_Mafia -Mafia
Draynth -Town
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Post Post #36 (isolation #5) » Fri May 11, 2018 2:38 pm

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In post 35, TheYankeeReaper wrote:The ceejay
bus
reaching its destination
Are you saying N_M is ceejay's scum p?
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Post Post #38 (isolation #6) » Fri May 11, 2018 2:49 pm

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Current lynch pool: Espeonage/UglyDuck/pinturicchio/Draynth

Reason: LAL (Lynch all LURKERS)

It's been more than 2 hours (two and a half even) and they still haven't posted. (One thing I've learnt from Dr Evil is..

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Post Post #41 (isolation #7) » Fri May 11, 2018 2:56 pm

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OK.. here's a question that's definitely going to separate the scum from the every other bum: Would you rather be locked in a room with..

1- Liz Hurley
2- Beyonce
3- Heather Graham

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Post Post #42 (isolation #8) » Fri May 11, 2018 3:04 pm

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In post 39, TheYankeeReaper wrote:Did you see a cow on that bus?
You might've missed it, but that dog seems like a caw-moo-flage to me.
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Post Post #43 (isolation #9) » Fri May 11, 2018 3:05 pm

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^That was probably a terra-bull pun, btw.
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Post Post #44 (isolation #10) » Fri May 11, 2018 3:06 pm

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Man, I'm being udderly ridiculous, am I not?
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Post Post #46 (isolation #11) » Fri May 11, 2018 3:26 pm

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Are you telling me you've herd them all before?
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Post Post #57 (isolation #12) » Sat May 12, 2018 4:34 am

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In post 48, ManWithNoName wrote:
In post 41, AP wrote:OK.. here's a question that's definitely going to separate the scum from the every other bum: Would you rather be locked in a room with..

1- Liz Hurley
2- Beyonce
3- Heather Graham

Note: Ladies need not respond. After all, we all
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If I had to also listen to them, 1 for sure. 3 going just by looks.

Heather Graham's voice annoys me.
I'm tempted to vote you just for that. I don't care which if them you like more, tbh, but when you talk about voices and pick someone other than Beyonce that's a problem for me.

Furthermore, I'm surprised nobody though Beyonce is bootylicious enough, but that's OK. I myself would rather Heather Graham (except when she eats onions and garlic to keep me off her). :P
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Post Post #58 (isolation #13) » Sat May 12, 2018 4:35 am

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In post 52, Espeonage wrote:
vote: the worst


That feels like a real slip btw.
What does?
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Post Post #60 (isolation #14) » Sat May 12, 2018 5:18 am

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In post 59, ManWithNoName wrote:Beyonce is married.
:lol:

OK, this has nothing to do with the game, but you, Sir, are a respectable gentleman. I salute you.

P.S. You also killed some of the upcoming jokes, so I'm going to have to re-do my script. :P
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Post Post #101 (isolation #15) » Sun May 13, 2018 12:20 pm

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I've heard of a man who had an uncle named Jack. Uncle Jack was an old fellow who traveled only by horse, and every time uncle Jack visited his nephew; that nephew would have to help his uncle Jack off the horse.

One time uncle Jack got too drunk to even recognize his nephew, so when the nephew tried to help his uncle Jack off the horse he refused to get off. The horse was growing tired of carrying uncle Jack's fat ass all day long and all around, so the horse shouted: Hey jerk, off me!

Now I don't know what the morale of the story is. I just wanted my post to be bigger than pintu's so I can brag about it.. in a nutshell.
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Post Post #185 (isolation #16) » Mon May 14, 2018 7:01 am

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In post 140, the worst wrote:If skitter is scum you die if you don't explain
If skitter is town you die if you don't explain it
Why did you add an additional "it" in the second sentence but not the first?

(crash course in how to look busy asking questions that have absolutely no value to the game) :P
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Post Post #186 (isolation #17) » Mon May 14, 2018 7:04 am

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In post 147, the worst wrote:Let's say skitter is town. Maf kills UDuck as an obvious frame. What does that tell us?

Let's say skitter is maf. Her own faction kills UDuck. What does that tell us?

Let's say skitter is wolf. Maf kills UDuck. What does that tell us?
That it's duck hunting season and you're next? :P
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Post Post #191 (isolation #18) » Mon May 14, 2018 7:12 am

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I'll see you, and raise you this

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Post Post #199 (isolation #19) » Mon May 14, 2018 8:02 am

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In post 197, pinturicchio wrote:Wait, what's a multiball?? I inned to this game without knowing the setup 'cause I'm trying to improve in Mini Games, but at this point seems that everyone's talking about something important
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There are two scum factions. There are 2 werewolves with a nightkill and then there are 3 Mafia without a nightkill.

Multiball = more than one anti-town faction. (and I'm not adding any puns so as not to confuse you more, but just for this once) :P

P-edit: yeah, what he said.
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Post Post #209 (isolation #20) » Mon May 14, 2018 8:21 am

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In post 203, ManWithNoName wrote:Okay, AP, I have a plan. I's a good one, too.

We tell everyone that it's a full moon tonight and the moon is about to come up. Then, we watch the reactions of everyone here. If someone seems nervous and starts trying to get out, we lynch them.

What do you think?
Do you have a silver bullet in your gun though?

So.. who should I be mooning? :P
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Post Post #210 (isolation #21) » Mon May 14, 2018 8:24 am

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In post 205, skitter30 wrote:I haven't played with scum!tw yet but he doesn't really feel like the town!tw I've played with previously to me right now.
I have played scum!him twice (I was once his scum p, even) and I'm still undecided on his alignment in this game.

I think we should pressure him and see if he quacks.
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Post Post #211 (isolation #22) » Mon May 14, 2018 8:26 am

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In post 208, ManWithNoName wrote:There are two types of people in this world, ones who can see a good plan and agree with it and werewolves.
Wrong! There are actually 3 types of people in this world: Those who can count and hose who don't.
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Post Post #212 (isolation #23) » Mon May 14, 2018 8:27 am

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Say, isn't N_M in this game? I think we can cownt on him reading tw.
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Post Post #217 (isolation #24) » Mon May 14, 2018 8:38 am

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In post 214, the worst wrote:AP, you've seen the converse (scum!me reacting to being scumread too early). I'd put you as most likely to be able to meta read me here but I don't think there's anyone on this list who can do it with a great deal of accuracy.
Southampton, Wolverhampton or Aston Villa?
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Post Post #218 (isolation #25) » Mon May 14, 2018 8:40 am

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Tic Toc, Duck!
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Post Post #221 (isolation #26) » Mon May 14, 2018 8:44 am

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In post 220, the worst wrote:aston villa (long story)
Guilty verdict. the worst is a Mafioso.

Southampton are nicknamed "Saints" (iirc I should've used Man City .. the Citizens)
Wolverhampton are nicknamed "Wolves"
Aston Villa are nicknamed "Villains"

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Post Post #223 (isolation #27) » Mon May 14, 2018 8:47 am

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In post 222, ManWithNoName wrote:Why are you nicknaming cities with team names?
Huh?
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Post Post #228 (isolation #28) » Mon May 14, 2018 8:52 am

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OK, serious read.. duckling is town

So far I've pegged 3 townies with some degree of confidence: Pintu, MWNN & tw

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Post Post #229 (isolation #29) » Mon May 14, 2018 8:54 am

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In post 225, ManWithNoName wrote:
In post 223, AP wrote:
In post 222, ManWithNoName wrote:Why are you nicknaming cities with team names?
Huh?
Nevermind, it was a joke about your use of the word nickname for team names.

(I.E. Southampton is nicknamed the "Saints")

I would never say that Tampa Bay is nicknamed the Rays, for example.
OIC. But Southampton FC is always listed as Southampton in league tables and fixtures. It's the club name.. Southampton Football Club.
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Post Post #238 (isolation #30) » Mon May 14, 2018 9:11 am

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In post 234, TheYankeeReaper wrote:I don't speak Mexican
Consult an expert:

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Post Post #258 (isolation #31) » Mon May 14, 2018 12:01 pm

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In post 248, TheYankeeReaper wrote:
In post 228, AP wrote:OK, serious read.. duckling is town

So far I've pegged 3 townies with some degree of confidence: Pintu, MWNN & tw

Next..
Can you tell the rest of the class why you're reading those three town?
I have my reasoning in a zip file. Let me unzip and get back to you.
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Post Post #290 (isolation #32) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:56 am

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Nope. I've already pegged tw myself, and besides I'm SRing N_M
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Post Post #291 (isolation #33) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:57 am

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*SLIGHTLY SRing N_M
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Post Post #293 (isolation #34) » Tue May 15, 2018 9:46 am

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In post 292, ManWithNoName wrote:I've never been able to form a read on N_M, how are you scumreading him?

I feel like he's always a POE pick for me.
I have a way of reading him that I am not disclosing (because if I do then I'd have absolutely no way of reading him anymore) :lol:

Basically he has not town told for me here, but has yet to scum tell for real.
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Post Post #301 (isolation #35) » Tue May 15, 2018 12:31 pm

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In post 299, Sando wrote:So both of you (AP+duckling) are confident you can read him but you currently don't have enough info?
Yes.
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Post Post #306 (isolation #36) » Tue May 15, 2018 12:50 pm

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In post 302, Sando wrote:Copy that. Confident of a D2 read?
See, that's the problem. I'd usually peg him off his opening 2-3 posts. He hasn't towntold after 6 posts.
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Post Post #380 (isolation #37) » Wed May 16, 2018 6:24 am

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In post 307, the worst wrote:btw if he is town here there's a curse. you can't lynch him after d1 or we die
Call me dense, but I don't understand this.
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Post Post #381 (isolation #38) » Wed May 16, 2018 6:55 am

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I don't see it myself. I only see it's his scumday, but I'll sheep...

VOTE: Happy Birthday, Yankee
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Post Post #382 (isolation #39) » Wed May 16, 2018 6:56 am

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I also wanted to ask: Are you a Yankee who is also a reaper? Or are a reaper whose main targets are yankees?
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Post Post #390 (isolation #40) » Wed May 16, 2018 1:04 pm

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In post 389, the worst wrote:no hard feelings
Poor flacid you :(
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Post Post #407 (isolation #41) » Thu May 17, 2018 7:29 am

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In post 395, ceejayvinoya wrote:
In post 258, AP wrote:
In post 248, TheYankeeReaper wrote:
In post 228, AP wrote:OK, serious read.. duckling is town

So far I've pegged 3 townies with some degree of confidence: Pintu, MWNN & tw

Next..
Can you tell the rest of the class why you're reading those three town?
I have my reasoning in a zip file. Let me unzip and get back to you.
Still waiting for this lols.
My zipper is stuck
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Post Post #408 (isolation #42) » Thu May 17, 2018 7:38 am

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In post 396, UglyDuck wrote:they are posting seems different than the AP I know.
I ran out of fresh pun ideas.
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Post Post #409 (isolation #43) » Thu May 17, 2018 7:40 am

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In post 399, Draynth wrote:
In post 398, Not_Mafia wrote:worst scum ceejay scum
Are you going to explain anything this game?
Do you know anything about N_M's play in general?
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Post Post #410 (isolation #44) » Thu May 17, 2018 7:53 am

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In post 404, ManWithNoName wrote:
In post 401, ceejayvinoya wrote:Where I'm stuck at in terms of reads:

{Pintu, Draynth} --town
{Not_Mafia, Sando}
{Skitter, UglyDuck}
{YankeeReaper, The Worst} --null
{AP}
{NoNameMan, Espe} --probs scum

I'm pretty sure there must be one or more scum above my null line but that will sort itself out later.
Lol, this guy.

Want to provide any reasoning for literally anything this game?

Nice job piling onto N_M when you are doing the same.

VOTE: ceejaynova
Although I'm not Welsh, I'll do sheep you on this one

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Post Post #412 (isolation #45) » Thu May 17, 2018 9:29 am

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Right now I'm divided on N_M. Would rather wait for a flip to decide. (He "half" towntold)
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Post Post #457 (isolation #46) » Fri May 18, 2018 10:59 am

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Guys, let's get this talking:

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Post Post #504 (isolation #47) » Fri May 18, 2018 2:15 pm

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In post 488, ManWithNoName wrote:AP, why Draynth?
TBH, it's starting to be a PL for me in all games I'm in with him. He does jack shit and then replaces out. I want him to replace out sooner than later.
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Post Post #526 (isolation #48) » Sat May 19, 2018 6:36 am

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:/
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Post Post #532 (isolation #49) » Sun May 20, 2018 7:08 am

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Are you going to explain the vote though?
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Post Post #622 (isolation #50) » Mon May 21, 2018 7:50 am

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UNVOTE:

Thanks for bringing the slot back to life
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Post Post #632 (isolation #51) » Mon May 21, 2018 11:14 am

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I have a confession to make: The game is going too slow for me to remember what made me think what of X or Y. Furthermore, there's always 1 or 2 slots on hiatus and it's making it a bit harder to draw associations (i.e. team hunting is bloody hard). I know team hunting isn't that effective on D1 where we have no flips to begin with, but my point is a townie acting scummy could very well be pegged as town still IF one could eliminate enough possibilities for their partner.

Well, ate least the other game I was in is over, so I will remember N_M is with me in one game and I have one read on him! :lol:
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Post Post #643 (isolation #52) » Mon May 21, 2018 11:48 am

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In post 638, the worst wrote:Oh yeah he always replaces out. That's just his thing. Who was the scumteam that involved bussing in the last jungle republic?
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Espeonage bussed the shit out of A50 :P
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Post Post #798 (isolation #53) » Tue May 22, 2018 6:42 am

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Catching up. Thought I'd wait until I'm fully caught up to post, but then realized that would probably not give you an idea on how I was thinking because things are... confusing at some points.

For example, I started page 27 thinking Fumuki's overdoing it (no idea if it was intentional or not though), but by the end of the same page I'm seeing it his way more than Sando's. Here's why:

"Wolves want to kill seer more than scum." My interpretation was "WW want to kill the Seer. WW also want to kill Scum. But WW want the Seer more than they want Scum". Fumuki got "WW want to kill the Seer, and so does Scum, but WW want it more".

Obviously the difference is huge, as the Mafia don't want the Seer gone as a priority, so I would have been much more inclined to go with my interpretation if Sando ever corrected Fumuki there. I was surprised that he didn't, and while I don't think Sando is in fact a WW myself (Why would a WW think aloud in the main thread about his plans?) I now clearly see Fumuki has a point (i.e. NOT overdoing it).

Let me read through the next 5 pages though...
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Post Post #800 (isolation #54) » Tue May 22, 2018 6:58 am

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By the end of page 28 I'm starting to laugh at you all. It looks like everyone is trying to force their own view of what ALL FACTIONS should/would be doing, which is the definition of "how to lose a game 101". Just DON'T. If you're town THINK of what the 2 anti-town faction "might" be doing, but keep it to yourself. This player list is competitive enough I doubt anyone needs "outside opinions" for starters, but -even worse- they can actually make use of those publicly stated ideas to WIFOM it all.

Here's a question that I DO NOT WANT YOU TO ANSWER IN PUBLIC.. only to yourself: What's the weakest WW duo and/or Mafia trio from your PoV? Because the way I see it is the weakest combination of either is still good enough to already have a plan AND to use whatever bright ideas you state here to their benefit.
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Post Post #802 (isolation #55) » Tue May 22, 2018 7:14 am

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OK, before I go on I would like to make sure no one misunderstands me, so..

I don't mind you using "scum" referring to "Mafia". I'll still understand what you mean from the context.

HOWEVER, my own use of the term "Scum" in actually "any anti-town entity". SK is SCUM to me. WWs are SCUM to me. A Survivour is NOT though, because -while indeed not aligned with Town- the Survivour is not necessarily anti-town.

Si, when >I< use "scum" from here-on, please assume I mean all anti-town aligned players combined.

Now off to this:
In post 700, Sando wrote:
In post 688, Fumuki wrote:Omg guys, Sando doesn't get this game. I swear that he doesn't.
I think given experience, asking people to trust you that I'm bad at understand how game mechanics are going to play out is probably not going to go well for you...

This is a slightly townie post, although it's not doing Sando any favours in the eyes of most.

@Sando: This was a "way out" for you. You should have accepted that you don't understand the mechanics of the game as it would have relieved you from having to defend yourself more.

Now why does it feel townie to me? For exactly that. Scum (and arguably town) should have taken the chance to relief the pressure on themselves. Now Scum are survivalistic by definition, while town are sometimes stubborn enough to miss such an opportunity (because they're not really looking for one), and the fact Sando is threatening Fumuki back rather than bow down feels more like a stubborn townie rather than a survivalistic scum.
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Post Post #803 (isolation #56) » Tue May 22, 2018 7:25 am

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@Fumuki: I would have preferred to do a proper catch up before responding, but I did read the 2nd line of 801, so..

1- Unless the Seer made it quite clear whom they are I don't think the WW are going to be that lucky on N1
2- generally speaking, there are two -opposing- approaches to the game here from the WWs PoV. The first one is "lynch Town and shoot Mafia". The second being "Lynch Mafia and shoot Town". The first one doesn't do them much good by day, but avoid the Mafia lining up on their lynch, while the second does buy them "some" town credit by day at the expense of Mafia being overly concerned about pushing the WWs over town.

BOTH approaches assume the WWs have GOOD reads though. I'll get back to the rest of that post when I catch up.
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Post Post #812 (isolation #57) » Tue May 22, 2018 7:39 am

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In post 714, Sando wrote:
In post 712, the worst wrote:seer only gets ww/not ww results right?
Truth, but I slipped first, get your own slip!
It's public knowledge ducks wear no slips

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Post Post #814 (isolation #58) » Tue May 22, 2018 8:10 am

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In post 726, ManWithNoName wrote:Fuck it, I'll just say it. I'm brassherald
No, you're not! >I< am brassherald.

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Post Post #816 (isolation #59) » Tue May 22, 2018 8:12 am

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In post 813, ManWithNoName wrote:AP, you should join the Espeonage wagon, 2/3 of it is town. Let's make it a straight 75%
VOTE: Espeonage

Still not caught up though, and my internet (or my PC) is shitty.
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Post Post #817 (isolation #60) » Tue May 22, 2018 8:35 am

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In post 767, Espeonage wrote:Sando, Furnuki, the worst, UD and someone are all the bad people.

cj and skitter are not that last slot.
:facepalm: THAT AVATAR! :lol:

I was like.. why is tw calling himself scum? Is it sarcasm? And then I realized it wasn't tw's post!
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Post Post #818 (isolation #61) » Tue May 22, 2018 8:39 am

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In post 785, Not_Mafia wrote:Mafia are a bigger threat than Wolves
A different view is always appreciated, and especially so when it comes from N_M.

Mind explaining though?
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Post Post #819 (isolation #62) » Tue May 22, 2018 8:42 am

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In post 786, the worst wrote:
akshully
a thought what are historical win rates?
So that's a hype down under? Because an Australian friend has just posted on Facebook, and it looked like this:

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SUNSOF,,BETCHES,,
STOP,,,COLING,,,ME,,,I,,FORBED,U
IAM,,,NOT,,LIVE,MY,LIFE,,TO,,YOUR,,STUPID,,ERGES,GIT,LOST,AND,SHAVE,IT,IN,YOUR,


And I was like.. I should go back to school immediately! :P
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Post Post #821 (isolation #63) » Tue May 22, 2018 9:54 am

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@Fumuki: That's easier said than done though. For starters; its a 7-3-2 setup, so assuming no bussing and no WW help we need all 7 townies to agree on a lynch for it to go through.

The second problem is we are always going to make at least one bad read ourselves. That also applies to WWs, so even if they decide to listen to you they are not guaranteed to him on Mafia still. In fact, often enough one of the towniest slots is in fact anti-town and many of the scummiest looking players are in fact town!

So, you either want to have perfect reads AND for the WHOLE TOWN to follow..

OR

You still need perfect reads and for the WWs to follow.

P.S. We won't even know if the WWs
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So, while your talk is ideal in theory, applying it in practice doesn't work that well at all, because there are always going to be holes in it for either (or both) scum factions to use it to their benefit (they want to win too, you know)
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #64) » Thu May 24, 2018 7:31 am

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Why exactly are we probing every other player to see if we can save Espeo?? I mean, the way the wagon froze and started to dissipate makes me feel Espeo is Mafia (they have more influence through numbers over WWs).
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Post Post #1067 (isolation #65) » Thu May 24, 2018 7:33 am

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@Pintu: Are you scum here? I have been hard TRing you, but your voting patterns of late aren't exactly convincing me (and I'm not talking about the targets, but more about the timing and composition of wagons).
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #66) » Thu May 24, 2018 10:27 am

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In post 1075, pinturicchio wrote:I'm glad our protagonist is back to this wagon. By the way, Not_Mafia is in this wagon too, so you get the chance to hammer if you want to! Believe me, hammering when Not_Mafia is in the same game feels GREAT
Are you going to do this more often? I think CJ is @L-2 (too lazy to actually double check)
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Post Post #1080 (isolation #67) » Thu May 24, 2018 10:41 am

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OH! Perhaps I should shut up and mind my own business then. SORRY!
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #68) » Fri May 25, 2018 11:30 am

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I don't have much time to go in depth about how I got to the following conclusion, so I'll just say "Welp, I'm AP" :P

I think Espeonage and the worst are scum together (reminder: Scum = anti-town). Espeo is getting wagoned and the only player he feels fine voting is tw who doesn't even have a real chance to get lynched?

If Espeo flips a WW I think tw is the other one and we have the power from then on (either by lynching him or leashing as someone suggested, although I'm not a fan of the latter myself).

If Espeo flips Mafia though, then not only tw is Mafia, but also one of CJV/skitter .. I think.

@Fumuki: I'm TRing you for your weird logic. I mean, I get the feeling you were looking for "which lynch was more likely to go through" between CJV and Espeo rather than which of them is more likely scum (reminder: Scum in my book = anti-town). You also wanted to "save" skitter today, yet I fifn't get the impression you were TRing her!!

Now the reason I TR this is I cannot see any anti-town player saying this in the open. It's kinda the definition for "too scummy to be scum" kind of revelation. Feel free to correct me if I'm misunderstanding your logic.
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #69) » Tue May 29, 2018 7:17 am

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In post 1242, skitter30 wrote:He actually only mentions him like eight times this game before he votes him at all
My vote was on my 59th post. How many times do you think I should mention one player of 12 in 59 posts??

I was already leaning scum on you and you can go back and see why (Hint: You feel too disengaged for my liking, which is not like you at all). Your #1242 though almost confirms my suspicions. I'm willing to bet on you flipping WW/Mafia (WW argument: you were the only other person voting
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Pintu. Mafia argument: you didn't even factor in the NK -which is again not what I would expect from you).

But before I jump on you I want you to explain whether you think I'm a WW or a Mafioso (Hint: I'm neither, but feel free to present an argument for me being either). Then I will reevaluate my read on you.
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Post Post #1246 (isolation #70) » Tue May 29, 2018 7:20 am

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I will also wait for Fumuki to weigh in before I vote. I currently only trust him, MWNN & Sando (Sorry, Duck. I TR you, but I'm not sure I can trust your reads).
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Post Post #1248 (isolation #71) » Tue May 29, 2018 8:11 am

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In post 1247, skitter30 wrote:a) you settled for saying that I'm either/or so idk why you want me to have to choose between you being a wolf/mafioso
I've also stated argument for both, so you can do the same if you want to.

I am trying to see where you're coming from with your push on me to see if you might actually be this mislead as town. The thing is this isn't the first time you play me and you know I play in different styles, so I'm not convinced your reasoning for scum reading me is "he doesn't talk much about the guy he is voting".

Yes, I did vote him because MWNN asked e to, and I had no strong read on Esp at that time (but I also had expressed that his lurking didn't bode well with me, and I know Esp is usually more active than this). Then I did confirm why I was pivoted on the wagon when it stalled. You don't usually have 3-4 other counter wagons proposed (one after one) when the main wagon is on a town player, and especially so when that Town player hasn't been active enough nor has done much to show his towniness.
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Post Post #1249 (isolation #72) » Tue May 29, 2018 8:14 am

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In post 1247, skitter30 wrote:Given that context, why would I ever want to do the same thing here?
OK. I'll accept that with a twist of lemon and a grain of salt (do you have any pickles?)
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Post Post #1272 (isolation #73) » Wed May 30, 2018 10:34 am

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In post 1257, the worst wrote:BTW for the record I agree AP is obvscum and probably??? never scum with Pintu so I'm keen on the ww!AP theory
OBVSCUM?? And A WEREWOLF?? So you really think that I would lynch Town and shoot Mafia at night as a werewolf?? The worst part is you've been scum with me and KNOW how I pick my NKs. :facepalm:
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Post Post #1273 (isolation #74) » Wed May 30, 2018 10:37 am

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In post 1263, ManWithNoName wrote:
@mod please replace me. Sorry guys, having a bit of a personal crisis of sorts and I just can't bring myself to play games right now. See you all in another game.
Sorry to see you leave. I hope everything turns out fine sooner than later.
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Post Post #1274 (isolation #75) » Wed May 30, 2018 10:39 am

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In post 1269, the worst wrote:My mood dammit
2 words: Cranberry juice. :P
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Post Post #1275 (isolation #76) » Wed May 30, 2018 10:41 am

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In post 1271, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: FuggoBird
Thanks for teaching me a new English word (although I doubt I'll remember it long enough)
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #77) » Wed May 30, 2018 11:15 am

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In post 1277, the worst wrote:
In post 1274, AP wrote:
In post 1269, the worst wrote:My mood dammit
2 words: Cranberry juice. :P
Great band<3
OK. 3 words: Cranberry juice. Period. :P :P
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Post Post #1289 (isolation #78) » Wed May 30, 2018 3:18 pm

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In post 1288, the worst wrote:Nah that's cool we'll find your buddie
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I trust my player list fam to rally around us and lynch the fuck out of AP
??? Someone's trying to fake a slip. Mafia have also been reduced to 2 now, my little furry friend. :wink:
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Post Post #1311 (isolation #79) » Thu May 31, 2018 8:29 am

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In post 1300, Not_Mafia wrote:Vote FuggoDuck for victory
How bloody sure are you on this?

Hint: I've read all the new posts before I responded this time ( :lol: ) and I see Fumuki doesn't agree. The three people I currently trust their reads: N_M, Fumuki & Sando, so I need you guys to agree on one lynch. Thank you.

@tw: The more you accuse me of being a WW the more I'm certain you are scum. The thing is I can't tell if you are a WW who wants to use the town's desire to lynch WWs ot a Mafioso who genuinely believes I'm a WW. Either way, I think I'd be voting you if my favourite 3 players can't agree on one lynch.
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #80) » Thu May 31, 2018 8:31 am

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@Pintu: Welcome. You subbed into a widely TR'd slot. However, I'm not sure if I can trust your reads yet. I'd need you to read and post a read list with proper reasoning, if you please.
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Post Post #1318 (isolation #81) » Thu May 31, 2018 8:42 am

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@skitter: Let's try this another way, shall we? Who was everyone's top suspect by the end of D1 (apart from the lynched)??
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Post Post #1323 (isolation #82) » Thu May 31, 2018 8:46 am

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In post 1319, the worst wrote:
In post 1229, the worst wrote:
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ooooo, UglyDuck for pintu's partner?
VOTE: UglyDuck

discuss c:
In post 1230, the worst wrote:
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eehhh
I flatly refuse to believe we had 0 scumfucks on this wagon.

who wants to put some bets on there being two? ^^
In post 1231, the worst wrote:
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spe had a bad vibe about UD as well
Pintu immediately townread him for a low key kinda dubious reason (tonally different to a singleball game)
In post 1232, the worst wrote:
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ight if I had to call mafia right now it'd be {
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wondering if I'm still tunnelled??





A
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That does it.

VOTE: the worst

Come to papa. You are indeed a WW who's trying to out the Seer. It now makes sense you guys shot Pintu thinking he might be the Seer.

@Real Seer: Please do NOT CC.
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Post Post #1332 (isolation #83) » Thu May 31, 2018 9:12 am

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@tw: Whether your gambit goes through or not, I very much applaud you and tip my hat off for you. It's a BRILLIANT move at his point o the game.

I mean, think about it: We're 6T-2W-2M. The WW hitting Mafia early does work for both them and the town. Now lynch town (or Mafia, as they don't really know) and shoot the seer (tw's gambit is to out them). Tomorrow we are 4T-2W-2M (or 5T-2W-1M). The duck is lynched, and their p shoot someone (and -more importantly- is quite safe from being caught by the Seer). Next day: 3T-1W-2M (Or 4T-1W-1M). If the former, the town already lost majority. If the latter, they need one mislynch to get to 2-1-1 (Lynch Town and shoot Mafia OR lynch Mafia and shoot Town = WWs win)

The BEST [part is nobody would ever lynch you over me today (that would have ruined the whole gambit). STILL, since you ain't getting a CC the gambit has probably failed anyway. SORRY, but I still think that was a brilliant move on your part. You just picked the wrong person to aim at (you probably should've shot me and framed pintu, maybe?) :P
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Post Post #1426 (isolation #84) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:33 am

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So, who do we lynch if not me? Is it too late to submit a guilty plea and reduce my sentence to a lifetime w/o parole? :P
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Post Post #1429 (isolation #85) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:47 am

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In post 1428, Not_Mafia wrote:Is Fuggo Wolf or Mafia AP?
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Post Post #1433 (isolation #86) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:25 am

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In post 1430, Pine wrote:Cool

Have your partner shoot him, kay?
If you do that I'm gonna blacklist you. Shoot tw. Kay?
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Post Post #1449 (isolation #87) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:44 pm

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OK, here's a serious offer:

Lynch UD today. If he flips Mafia then I will shoot tw and tomorrow it's 1-1-6. That is VERY good for the town.
Lynch UD. If he flips town I shoot someone of tw's choice. That's also fair enough bc if I hit a Mafioso we are 2-1-5 tomorrow, and if I hit a townie that's 2-2-4, but I'm tomorrow's lynch anyway AND the duckling gets to deliver one more result on who is/isn't a WW.

Let's vote on that proposal.

HEAL: AP's proposal in 1449

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Post Post #1451 (isolation #88) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:47 pm

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Who do you want shot if UD flips Town?
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Post Post #1452 (isolation #89) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:47 pm

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^@tw ONLY
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Post Post #1454 (isolation #90) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:50 pm

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Hint: You can leave it up to my best judgement, provided that it ain't you still.

P-edit: COME ON! I NEVER shoot N_M in any game regardless of my/his alignment. The only time he got shot recently with me in the scum team it was someone else's decision.
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Post Post #1457 (isolation #91) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:58 pm

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In post 1455, the worst wrote:you should talk thru your maf reads because I strongly prefer a wolf win to a mafia win given this setup's history
If I do (combined with this specific arrangement) then I'm playing against my win con.
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Post Post #1458 (isolation #92) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:59 pm

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In post 1456, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1449, AP wrote:Lynch UD today. If he flips Mafia then I will shoot tw and tomorrow it's 1-1-6. That is VERY good for the town.
Isn't it 2W:1M:5T tomorrow?
Ohm yeah.. but I'm the lynch anyway so still 14-1-4 the day after
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Post Post #1459 (isolation #93) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:59 pm

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GDI! 1-1-4
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Post Post #1460 (isolation #94) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:00 pm

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@skitter: The whole idea is giving everybody a fair fighting chance by trying to get to a 1-1-4 situation.
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Post Post #1463 (isolation #95) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:23 pm

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In post 1462, skitter30 wrote:On a very very very cursory level I think I'm OK with it but I don't want to commit to that till I've had some sleep.

Also I feel like you not wanting to shoot NM is maybe partner indicative but you might just be saying that to make us think that so idk.
I honestly do not shoot N_M no matter what. I was the SK in one game and was convinced he was the Vigilante (turned out to be wrong, but whatever) and I let him live to the end.

So, if N_M is my partner I'm not shooting him (duh!) and if he's a Mafioso it's the town's problem, and if he's town then why are we having this discussion?? :P
In post 1462, skitter30 wrote:Were you thinking I was the seer at daystart?
Nope. Never crossed my mind that YOU could be it. It's was either X or Y for me, and it turned out to be D. :lol:
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Post Post #1490 (isolation #96) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:38 am

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In post 1479, Fumuki wrote:If UglyDuck ever flips town and the werewolves are shooting you
If UD flips town I'm NOT shooting he duck. That's the deal I'm offering.

Otherwise, I don't see how your plan is any different than my plan. "We lynch elswhere (i.e. UD) and we let the duck check someone IF UD is Mafia.
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Post Post #1491 (isolation #97) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:44 am

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Guys, do you think I (a confirmed WW) would want the Seer to get another check? I absolutely DON'T. So when I make such an offer it means one of two things:

1- I'm as positive as a cation that UD is Mafia
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2- I'm lying through my teeth and will still shoot tw anyway

Now I request that those of you who
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know me evaluate the situation. More to it, am I a man of my word or not?
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Post Post #1498 (isolation #98) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:58 pm

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In post 1495, UglyDuck wrote:TLDR - I am gonna flip town.
If that is try then you are buying the seer another night of survival. Not a bad trade for town I'd still say.
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Post Post #1499 (isolation #99) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:00 pm

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In post 1497, Not_Mafia wrote:Your tl;dr is longer than the main part of your post
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OMG! tw? How could you EVER suggest shooting this??
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Post Post #1551 (isolation #100) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:11 pm

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OK, so I think both Mafia are on my wagon now, and to be precise I think it's Fumuki+UD

I don't think it's CJ because he voted before the guilty, and I don't think it's Pine because of his overall play. IF it's N_M then that's up to everyone else to decide.

Off my wagon I think Sando+skitter are town (Mafia would not support my plan) and I;m leaning town on Ruby by PoE

@Ruby/skitter: time to make a stance. Am I today's lynch or not? Let me do a run down of the "deal" here:

1- If I get lynched tw gets shot tonight. GL to you all
2- If I'm not the lynch I want UD to be today's lynch (I could settle for Fumuki but I don't think there's enough support for it)
3- If we lynch UD/Fumuki and they flip Mafia I will still shoot tw tonight
4- If we lynch UD/Fumuki and they flip town I will shoot "not tw", hunting for Mafia
5- In any case, if I'm not the lynch today I will get lynched tomorrow. The question is whether tw will have another result (either the other WW or a "not a WW" result delivered)

So, worst case scenario is 2 town flips (lynch and NK) resulting in a 2-2-4 tomorrow, but with an outed wolf and a "not a WW" result (because if tw gets the other wolf that scenario is not the worst (pun certainly intended) :P
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Post Post #1615 (isolation #101) » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:15 am

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In post 1555, skitter30 wrote:I guess I'm just a little bit worried to trust you to shoot for mafia here, and not just hit tw.
That hurts. My consolation is you don't know me that well.
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Post Post #1616 (isolation #102) » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:22 am

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In post 1555, skitter30 wrote:worst case scenario day4 it could be down to 1w:2m:3t depending on who gets shot tomorrow night
True, but with a confirmed player not being a WW. EVEN if you lynch a townie, my p would have a 50-50 chance shooting a Mafioso overnight and then it'd be 1:1:2, which is NO LYNCH TIME.

The deal I am proposing is fair for EVERYONE as it keeps everyone's hopes alive until the very end. Lynching me virtually turns it into a Mafia-sided game because 1:2:5 tomorrow and NO NEW INFO (tw gets shot here 100% of the time) is very likely to result in a mislynch and you get to D4 in the exact same position you're afraid of, but WITHOUT the extra knowledge, not to mention this is GUARANTEED to get you there, unlike my plan which "could" get you there, yet could result in a better position for the town.
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Post Post #1617 (isolation #103) » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:30 am

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OK.. so the tribe has spoken. CONGRATULATIONS to MAFIA.

VOTE: AP

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Post Post #1619 (isolation #104) » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:58 am

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In post 1618, the worst wrote:CAPSFUMUKI IS BACK

Sorry AP you know if I had the say I'd run with your insane plans every time.
You probably should've, but let's see how this plays out. I'll see you in the dead thread shortly :P
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Post Post #1968 (isolation #105) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:20 am

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In post 1966, ceejayvinoya wrote:Lols I thought Pine was last maf xD

Sorry for forcing you into it Skitter
That's why I was hoping the lynch goes through bc I doubted you would shoot the real Mafioso. :P

Great show though, CJV. GG everyone.
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