Open 726 - Revenge of the Vengeful (Endgame)


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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:48 am

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In post 6, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Okay guys, let's go!

Before we start, I'll be selfish and establish a self meta ;)

People tend to say I'm scummy because I "hop everywhere and get defensive" all the time. But hopping everywhere is my style :) and what do you expect from someone getting pressured, if it's not to get defensive for his life... If you don't like my style, okay, but fuck off with the scum reads lol.

VOTE: Enigma

Gl hf guys =)
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VOTE: Marshmallow
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Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:39 am

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In post 11, RadiantCowbells wrote:Pretty sure keerigan is town

Why did you vote him enigma
Because his first post is to set up a defence for when he gets accused later in game :roll:
tbh woulda done it regardless of his RV :giggle:

"but guayyys im behaving scummy not because im scum but but but because its how i always play"

How are you so sure he is town already from just one post?
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Post Post #15 (isolation #2) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:58 am

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he's only played a few games, have a look at his flips?
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Post Post #51 (isolation #3) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:12 am

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In post 22, Almost50 wrote:
Spoiler: Wild Theory (wouldn't be A50 if I didn't have one)
2 Noob scums weren't happy with their tole cards??
Pls explain I don't understand this theory.
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Post Post #52 (isolation #4) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:17 am

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In post 42, RadiantCowbells wrote:You see an opener like that and you expect to find a recent possibly ongoing game where the person was lynched for shit reasons and that obviously does not exist here (note that I make no comment on any ongoings).
Yeh that was my thinking exactly which I found odd.
I had to rewrite my ealier post a few times to make it that there was no substantive comment on any ongoings and very generic :lol: :lol:
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Post Post #58 (isolation #5) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:32 am

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In post 56, IcemanCh wrote:Hey guyz. Checking in. I'm currently driving straight from Utah to.South Carolina with no stops...... so I'm a bit tired.


With that being said I think I might be able to slightly clear the clouds from my head.

I'm torn. I want to vote RC cause he's a turd but I also want to vote Trinity cause I just done playing a game with them and it seems like a good idea..... what to do.


VOTE: RC
Why trinity?
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Post Post #84 (isolation #6) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:19 pm

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In post 76, RadiantCowbells wrote:I miss the spam meta this game is jejune

NM do you have any thoughts on the game
This spam town meta on me gives the weird feelz. Not sure if I should be glad :lol:

In other news, what's the bet that of the three players with only 1 post each, at least one scum there maybe more?
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Post Post #85 (isolation #7) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:21 pm

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In post 6, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Okay guys, let's go!

Before we start, I'll be selfish and establish a self meta ;)

People tend to say I'm scummy because I "hop everywhere and get defensive" all the time. But hopping everywhere is my style :) and what do you expect from someone getting pressured, if it's not to get defensive for his life... If you don't like my style, okay, but fuck off with the scum reads lol.

VOTE: Enigma

Gl hf guys =)
How would you describe your current play right now MM?
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Post Post #110 (isolation #8) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:09 am

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UNVOTE: Marshmallow
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Post Post #114 (isolation #9) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:10 am

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Whoops did i break something?
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Post Post #120 (isolation #10) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:42 am

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VOTE: Not_Mafia
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Post Post #121 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:45 am

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The next trains should be Oath and Iceman.

Though one quick question here though
In post 91, RadiantCowbells wrote:k at this point can we agree that nm and iceman are ISPing and that something should be done about it?
Why omit Oath from here? He's posted just as little.
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Post Post #123 (isolation #12) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:12 am

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In post 49, Oath wrote:Hmmmmm sup guys
In post 86, Oath wrote:I feel like I should vote
In post 122, RadiantCowbells wrote:Slightly better feels.about her two posts than anything from the others
:eek: :eek: :eek:
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Post Post #129 (isolation #13) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:48 am

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In post 128, Ankamius wrote:Do you guys like vote counts
No
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Post Post #130 (isolation #14) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:19 pm

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In post 129, Enigma wrote:
In post 128, Ankamius wrote:Do you guys like vote counts
No
Whoops, sorry and thanks for doing VCs. Also I can't count when new pages are ... was trying to bump it to the next page and then my brain turned off leading to saying something stupid and not even bumping it to the next page.
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Post Post #131 (isolation #15) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:29 pm

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In post 126, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:List of Reads - Marshmallow Marshall

Town


Enigma. Reacted to my opening as I expected a townie to do. That, + the meta search.

Almost50. He tries to detail his thoughts as much as possible. I get a transparent feeling from him. He keeps a doubt at everything, has the healthy suspicion of a townie.


RadiantCowbells. He searched for me, but I wonder if he tried to buddy me or not. I get a town vibe from that slot, but with a slight forced vibe to it. Townish.


Not_Mafia. He's not different from the games I've played with him, and he was town in every of them. Slight slight slight townish lean.


Null - All the players I did not name, because of AFK or lack of contribution.


Trinity. The posts he/she made were quite null, and nothing could be extracted of them. They were devoid of life, I'd say. Cautious? Also CRAPPY BIRTHDAI TO YOU :)

Snowman. His first and only post stroke me as scummy, and he did not post anything else since then. Scummish lean.


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I can't quite figure out who is who/what/where with the discussion between Rei and MM. Had felt that MM scuminess was decreasing, though this recent dialogue is intriguing.

So your list is missing Rei and Oath. Rei isn't AFK or not contributing? MM, I know you mentioned you hadn't made your mind up yet, but would Rei be above or below Null (by gut, if you don't have why yet).
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Post Post #134 (isolation #16) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:45 pm

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In post 126, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Trinity. The posts he/she made were quite null, and nothing could be extracted of them. They were devoid of life, I'd say. Cautious? Also CRAPPY BIRTHDAI TO YOU
I support this statement. On both counts, the cautiousness and the happy bday :)
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Post Post #188 (isolation #17) » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:54 am

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I don't support a lynch on Marshmallow atm.
To be honest, don't like either of the two wagons atm (and my vote is on a wagon).

Leashing the vengekills is problematic. It ruins later VCA and lets scum hide in the shadow whilst town do the dirty work. Plus as N_M says, vengekills aren't a democracy and there is no way to see it through.

Ideally, we have two competing wagons for probable scum - where the targets are both voting for each other. Then they can vengekill each other :) Then we can come up with two new competing wagons for top two for the next day (with the added knowledge post-flip) and repeat.

There are probably about three people I wouldn't mind being one of the two wagons, though will hold onto that for now since we still have some time to see where everyone else is heading.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #18) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:21 am

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Mafia don't get night kill this is nightless.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... e_Vengeful

3 scum : 6 town

Worst case scenario example
Day 1: Mislynch Town, Miss Vengekill = 3:4
Day 2: Mislynch Town, Must get Vengekill or 3:2 (Scum wins)
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Post Post #252 (isolation #19) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:44 am

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Ok, after a reread, I'm could do a skip on a NM/MM lynch today. Outside of the NM/MM association, I sorta felt MM was town earlier so we can revisit that day 2.

Could do a Trinity lynch. Would much prefer Oath to get vengekilled, though lynchable also.

Slightly cautious that Rei and A50 have escaped scrutiny today as well.
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Post Post #254 (isolation #20) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:05 pm

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We will lose a townie regardless by start of D2 ... just hopefully not two townies :)
We could try to convince a mislynched townie to act according to a strategy, but also a mislynched townie may be super jaded and not care about what everyone has to say and can do as they wish (as N_M mentioned earlier)
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Post Post #275 (isolation #21) » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:26 am

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MM in you are in mini game!! I like this pace haha, I read once an evening and post. Go join the large themes and you'll have 100+ pages of fun (well not fun for me, maybe fun for you).
In post 252, Enigma wrote:Could do a Trinity lynch. Would much prefer Oath to get vengekilled, though lynchable also.
Could be convinced for A50 and Rei as well.

People I don't want to see lynched or shot today: NM, M_M, Iceman, RC
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Post Post #277 (isolation #22) » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:41 pm

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VOTE: Trinity
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Post Post #304 (isolation #23) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:17 am

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In post 283, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 277, Enigma wrote:VOTE: Trinity
Hey Enigma, what’s the reason for the vote on me?
I get a good maybe scum feel from you. I would put it down to remaining quite neutral in the game thus far, and slipping under the radar in the early game and being quite comfortable with it. Before the votes started piling up, there was a lack of association with other players and reluctance to engage in good old scum hunting.

And then this falls down to being a good lynch with these game dynamics. A maybe scum is good, because then we can "leash the vengekills". And if we were to mislynch and we (maybe you?) manage to hit a scum with the vengekill, even better as we control who get killed or not. So the risk is there for pursuing a maybe target over a defs scum, but reward also.

So assuming you are town, who do you wanna vengekill and why?
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Post Post #305 (isolation #24) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:20 am

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In post 301, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: NM
Can we leave NM until tomorrow (hint: vengekill).
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Post Post #310 (isolation #25) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:15 am

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In post 303, Almost50 wrote:WARNING: MOONLOGIC ALERT! Everybody take cover!

I want to adopt this readlist for the execution of RC's -plan (with my own modification).

Let's lynch Trinity. They are instructed to vengekill me. If Trinity is green she takes out the "next scummiest slot" thus acting like a town vig.

If she's scum, she will be faced with a dilemma. Venging me takes away an almost guaranteed mislynch (before the flip), but the not venging me (for WIFOM) doesn't work the way it should because it's obvious we're not scum together. So, I am betting on Trinity venging me either way and that way we either lose 1 scum for 1 town (to our benefit) or 2 townies who are being terrible at obv!towning (not ideal, but it removes the confusion and forces everyone to reevaluate their reads).

The only downside is if Trinity is a townie we are in LyLo already by D2, but then that is very much the case in 6/9 * 5/8 = 30/72 i.e. 41.66% assuming random lynches/venges, so very much expected in this setup anyway.
This is so WIFOMy I don't know what to think :eek: :eek: :eek: Deal with it after the flip.

Plus Trinity mentioned she wants to vengekill N_M ... it kinda needs her to go through with it.
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Post Post #312 (isolation #26) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:44 am

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In post 306, TrinityNZ wrote:Thanks, this is a good explanation. I agree my scum hunting hasnt been aggressive enough, so I see where you’re coming from. If I die, I’ll probably choose NM.
@ Milktank, any thoughts/comments on this
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Post Post #314 (isolation #27) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:31 am

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In post 313, Not_Mafia wrote:What’s a milk tank
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I meant miltank :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Post Post #317 (isolation #28) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:57 am

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In post 316, Almost50 wrote:
In post 315, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 311, Almost50 wrote:Yes, Trinity needs to confirm sticking to the plan. I dunno how to deal with it after the flip though. It needs to be dealt with now because upon the flip she is supposed to take someone with her already.
TBH I don’t understand this ‘plan’ and I haven’t seen much support for it. What does everyone else think?
What don't you understand? I'm offering myself as your vengekill target. If we both flip town the rest of players are forced to reevaluate their reads. If one of us flips scum they can carry on accordingly. I obviously know my own alignment, but it seems like I'm failing to show it, so it would be good for the town to remove me (and the same applies to you regardless of your alignment).
Then if we were to go the other way round and lynch you A50, then who would you want to vengekill? Trinity?
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Post Post #320 (isolation #29) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:15 am

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In post 319, Almost50 wrote:I mean, the way I see it: Trying to be a hero in this setup can severely damage the game for town. If you're spot on, fine. But if you're wrong not only do you take out another townie, but -the worst part- is you remove someone who was unlikely to get lynched and leaving the one(s) that are more likely to be lynched anyway, i.e. costing us a lynch we could have utilized in a better way.
Assuming one red flip today, what do you think about D2 then? Who to lynch?
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Post Post #329 (isolation #30) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:53 am

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In post 328, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't want to Lynch Trinity

I'll vote basically anyone else
why?
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Post Post #332 (isolation #31) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:18 pm

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In post 163, RadiantCowbells wrote:because you want to kill the 4 scummiest people before day 3
and lynching 4th scummiest lets you have the highest odds of a townflip while still fulfilling that objective
Ok, could you refresh me on the 4 scummiest from your eye? Who needs to be lynched/vengekilled by end of D2.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #32) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:20 pm

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In post 321, Almost50 wrote:I dunno! I'd be gone anyway. Just do a global readlist I guess and repeat the process maybe?
I suppose the question here is: let's say Trinity doesn't vengekill you, who would you FOS D2?
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Post Post #338 (isolation #33) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:27 pm

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Actually, I've also been feeling less in favour of a Trinity vote following her last few posts. I feel she responded well to the pressure, and demonstrated some town traits to keep around for a bit longer.
To be honest, feeling more of an Oath or Rei lynch today - where ideally they both kill each other. Get rid of lurkers and don't have to deal with them (and their perhaps reluctance to cooperate if town) in D2.

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Post Post #346 (isolation #34) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:21 am

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This game is a disaster, we need D2 already.
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Post Post #359 (isolation #35) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:46 am

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To be honest, players like N_M for me are lynch bait post-D1. If he is town, he generally has good reads ... once you get over his terrible and awful style of communication.

If we realise we can't read him further into the game, we lynch/venge him.
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Post Post #373 (isolation #36) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:53 am

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By end of D2, assuming we miss today - for me, should to be deads (in no particular order) are:
1. Oath
2. Rei
3. A50
4. N_M

Oath is a vengekill
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Post Post #374 (isolation #37) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:56 am

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In post 363, TrinityNZ wrote:
In post 359, Enigma wrote:To be honest, players like N_M for me are lynch bait post-D1. If he is town, he generally has good reads ... once you get over his terrible and awful style of communication.

If we realise we can't read him further into the game, we lynch/venge him.
He has done hardly anything this game so far, what makes you think he’ll change in D2? I think we should get rid of him now, as he’s either (1) scum or (2) of no use.
For me, he can be useful assuming he is town. For some other players, it is a policy lynch N_M D1 and I can see the logic behind that :lol:
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Post Post #385 (isolation #38) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:46 am

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N_M and RC is probably TvS
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Post Post #386 (isolation #39) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:02 am

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VOTE: Rei
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Post Post #388 (isolation #40) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:30 am

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In post 387, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 385, Enigma wrote:N_M and RC is probably TvS
Vote RC with me then
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Post Post #389 (isolation #41) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:30 am

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You're
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Post Post #393 (isolation #42) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:27 am

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In post 392, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:This makes no sense? You state it's TvS then vote someone else??
Said a few times already - don't think N_M should be a PL/lurker today. Prefer to wait for some flips before thinking more about RC vs N_M.
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Post Post #394 (isolation #43) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:03 pm

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At this stage, I have a moderate town lean for Trinity and prefer if she wasn't lynched. Best to hit the maybe scum/null reads, Rei seems like a good choice.
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Post Post #403 (isolation #44) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:55 pm

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VOTE: Oath
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Post Post #407 (isolation #45) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:02 pm

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I'm just glad D1 is finally over
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Post Post #413 (isolation #46) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:39 am

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In post 372, Oath wrote:Maybe I venge killed in a marathon game? I don't know.

I need experience you guys.
No one's ever gonna hire me as an assassin unless I can show a history of kills.
Let me know if you need a reference check for the next job application.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #47) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:49 pm

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Also waiting for lurkers to comment before further comment on my end
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Post Post #420 (isolation #48) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:00 pm

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Yeh slow ... I suspect there is a scum (or two) in Rei and Trinity. Wouldn't be bad if both died today.
Could do an A50 as well.
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Post Post #432 (isolation #49) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:56 pm

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In post 431, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Now I REALLY gotta go sleep, good morning lol. N_M, please give your reads, for you are confirmed town in my eyes. A50, you're susp, you should step in more if you want to help your team, whatever it is ^^
N_M doesn't give reads. He just votes and berates.

Trinity started as a good maybe town/maybe scum, and good to lynch given the mechanics. Trinity got a town lean (from a maybe scum) because of how she responded to her being the potential lynch target, and there was a feeling of genuinely trying to understand the veng system and how to best use it (for town?). Considering RC flip and N_M moving more into prob town territory, still don't mind a Trinity lynch if it leads to a Rei/A50 veng - particularly considering the interaction with AC50 yesterday.
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Post Post #438 (isolation #50) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:27 am

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In post 429, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:N_M is confirmed town or close btw.
I would also laugh if N_M and RC were bussing each other, knowing full well they wouldn't target each other as scum vengekills. I definitely wouldn't put it past them. So I am cautious about this :lol: If it becomes LYLO, you could still lynch him and trust his scum venging abilities :wink:
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Post Post #439 (isolation #51) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:30 am

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Nothing is happening :/
VOTE: Trinity
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Post Post #447 (isolation #52) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:55 am

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Who would you like her to vengekill? You were pretty set on having her lynched yesterday and her vengekilling you?

PS: Hi AP

Pedit: Are you so sure that N_M is confirmed town to blindly sheep?
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Post Post #456 (isolation #53) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:44 pm

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In post 453, TrinityNZ wrote:Ok so I’m changing my plan. If you lynch me I will kill Enugma.
If you are town, that is a pretty bad idea. You were content on a A50 venge yesterday, what changed?
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Post Post #480 (isolation #54) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:43 am

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I’m gunna flip town but whatevs. This setup is terrible. Avenge me.
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Post Post #485 (isolation #55) » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:12 pm

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¯\(°_o)/¯
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Post Post #580 (isolation #56) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:00 pm

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Well done scum team. Did not get my suspicion early game hahaha and terrible scum reads from me.
Amazing shot from Oath D1.

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Post Post #581 (isolation #57) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:10 pm

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Did the scum PT have more activity than here? Wow haha.
Suppose you get lazy in this game. Getting lynched as town isn’t a bad thing so it’s hard to read properly. I reckon it was about seeing who was the most manipulative and buddying like. At the end of D2 it was A50 for me lol.
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Post Post #582 (isolation #58) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:12 pm

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In post 579, Oath wrote:HEY!

Yeah I changed it to Lulu, but this was my original avi on my main account. I came out of retirement and needed some warm up games so I made this alt so I wouldn't embarass myself lol
Lol this is also my first game for ages (I think after the server crash of 11). An alt to hide embarrassing play now seems like a good idea.
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Post Post #585 (isolation #59) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:19 am

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I got really lazy with scumhunting, especially with the setup and a town read on me haha. So could have done better. I was honestly surprised with how quickly it turned onto me D2, and how I turned into the vengekill target despite obvious manipulation by certain people haha. I was a bit lost on scum D1 but at the end of D2 it started making more sense (I kinda wish I was lynched as I think I would have shot A50 and gain some cred too as an assassin).
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