SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2100 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:23 am

In post 2056, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 2054, ManWithNoName wrote:How did you get a neighborhood with punreader?
Don’t know. It’s been there since night one.

Not only does Vax wish to distract from facts Vax tries to change the conversation away from those facts.

Vaxkiller · Post Post #2101 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:27 am

In post 2056, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 2054, ManWithNoName wrote:How did you get a neighborhood with punreader?
Don’t know. It’s been there since night one.

Nm here it is. So it wasn't part of your role or puns role? That makes no sense, you would have had to have received a PM for the link to it or something. Further more its bullshit to think you AND pun have great roles (claimed roles) and have a neighborhood.

I hesitate to lynch you, because I think Pun is in cahoots with you, and this was part of some plan to make you both look town, but failed miserably. Keep pun alive to tonight and he will get another townie.

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2102 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:52 am

In post 2040, Vaxkiller wrote:@Commander

Why? After calming down and reading the situation his actions made sense. Claiming a fake BP makes sense as town. So I thinks Puns town now.

Also his vig was very conditional. Mine less so. I'm a novice vig.

...Welcome to the flail folks.

Pun is town.
Realizes pun can’t be town in town!Vax world.

Vax: Wait! I mean pun is scum. Please don’t lynch me!

I am going to work. Seriously the above post is all kinds of terribad. Vax has no answer so he just tries to paint people as scum and says leaving punreader alive is bad yet doesn’t vote punreader.

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2103 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:53 am

You hesitate to lynch me because you didn’t shoot me. That my town flip would confirm you as a liar.

#boomGoesTheScum

Vaxkiller · Post Post #2104 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:03 am

I'm the one thinking critically here, and you are the one that is flailing. No one is buying your antics, everything you are saying does not make sense and can't be explained by you, while my role and actions make perfect sense, making you the liar.

I'm trying not to get sucked into your scum vortex because why should I argue with you about your nonsense "facts".

Vaxkiller · Post Post #2105 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:11 am

BTW, since our flips will show who is telling the truth scum will likely be super bussing their scum mate... but alas, I have no votes except yours!

Vaxkiller · Post Post #2106 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:13 am

VOTE: commander

If im dead tomorrow, press punreader. He is mysteriously absent from all this, and I suspect he may be scum too and doesn't know what to do or say with all of this.

Errantparabola · Post Post #2107 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:35 am

Votecount 3.3

Commander Shepard

(5): Fire Assassin, ManWithNoName, Dunnstral, Shoshin, Vaxkiller

Shoshin

(2): Punreader, the worst

Fire Assassin

(1): Espeonage

Vaxkiller

(1): Commander Shepard

Not Voting

(3): MariaR, Chara, DeasVail

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-21 13:08:00)

Vaxkiller · Post Post #2108 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:48 am

In post 2016, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2014, Commander Shepard wrote:You’re asking me to believe that town has two cops two vigs and two protectives?

What would scum have a nuke?

And I was fucking trying to die. *sigh*
Hot take: There's not two cops.

In post 2019, Espeonage wrote:I dunno. Doc or some shit. Idk why they'd protect you, but w/e.

I'm kinda musing though, and this can be backburner considering no flipped scums, but possibility of an SK?

In post 2031, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2014, Commander Shepard wrote:You’re asking me to believe that town has two cops two vigs and two protectives?

What would scum have a nuke?

And I was fucking trying to die. *sigh*
Was trying to rectify this bc its a good point.

This is also going to flip scum.

Commander then punreader then espeonage

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2109 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:06 am

In post 2105, Vaxkiller wrote:BTW, since our flips will show who is telling the truth scum will likely be super bussing their scum mate... but alas, I have no votes except yours!

In post 2108, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2016, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2014, Commander Shepard wrote:You’re asking me to believe that town has two cops two vigs and two protectives?

What would scum have a nuke?

And I was fucking trying to die. *sigh*
Hot take: There's not two cops.

In post 2019, Espeonage wrote:I dunno. Doc or some shit. Idk why they'd protect you, but w/e.

I'm kinda musing though, and this can be backburner considering no flipped scums, but possibility of an SK?

In post 2031, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2014, Commander Shepard wrote:You’re asking me to believe that town has two cops two vigs and two protectives?

What would scum have a nuke?

And I was fucking trying to die. *sigh*
Was trying to rectify this bc its a good point.
This is also going to flip scum.

Commander then punreader then espeonage

Can’t even keep your story straight.

“Scum are massively bussing Shepard.”

“Scum aren’t massively bussing Shepard.”

In a span of three posts. The only one not his is me calling out his bullshit.

Pretty much everyone is scum to Vax besides Vax. This is just WiFoM.

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2110 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:09 am

Correction it’s EP’s vote count.

Point still stands

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2111 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:10 am

And facts are facts dude.

You can put “facts” in air quotes but you’re clearly Conwaying this shit.

Chara · Post Post #2112 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:21 am

In post 1980, MariaR wrote:
In post 1969, Dunnstral wrote:MariaR, do you know if you were roleblocked?
I don't know. All I know was I was auto bp'd

are you absolutely sure?

DeasVail · Post Post #2113 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:28 am

Okay I'm still just as confused as I was before.

What I need is townies that I can believe in as townies.

If anyone would like to apply for the position of "town I can believe in as town" I am all ears, because right now it's at the stage where I just need to talk stuff through with someone in order to sort all this out.

Chara · Post Post #2114 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:29 am

In post 2108, Vaxkiller wrote:This is also going to flip scum.

Commander then punreader then espeonage

i thought you wanted Punreader first in case he shoots?

Chara · Post Post #2115 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:30 am

In post 2113, DeasVail wrote:Okay I'm still just as confused as I was before.

What I need is townies that I can believe in as townies.

If anyone would like to apply for the position of "town I can believe in as town" I am all ears, because right now it's at the stage where I just need to talk stuff through with someone in order to sort all this out.

you going to be around in 5 hours? i'm at work now but i'll be home then.
also i'm town and you can believe in me, ask basically anybody. ;>

DeasVail · Post Post #2116 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:33 am

yeah I'm probably the only person who actually doubts your alignment, and maybe that's stupid, I don't know!

In any case, thank you for your response, I appreciate it. I will try and be around in 5 hours, but if not it will be shortly afterwards.

Shoshin · Post Post #2117 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:39 am

I feel the same as you, DV. And yeah, I'll talk through the game.

DeasVail · Post Post #2118 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:10 pm

I'm going to post my incredibly simplistic thoughts on players, because despite all the "information" we do have, when it comes down to it, I don't actually have that much to say.

Punreader: Very unlikely to be group scum. Even if they are some kind of third party, at this stage it's most likely in their best interests to help the town so their death is not worth pursuing any time soon. I often don't really gel with the arguments they make, but that's probably not alignment-relevant in this case.

MariaR: Overall I'm kind of underwhelmed by her play in the game. But I've been very underwhelming as well and so it's really a matter of working out whether this is town-apathy because of the mess that this game has been or if it's just scum coasting while town continues to be a mess. Is there any way to tell the difference between these two things??? I don't know! The inno on Vaxkiller is interesting and is a positive in my mind, but I can't rule it as unquestionably town.

Espeonage: If Fire Assassin's role is taken as valid, then Espe is town. I also don't think that Fire and Espe are scum together because Fire almost got Espe lynched.

Dunnstral: From play I strongly think that Dunn is town. There is also Fire's result (but Fire's alignment is a question mark to me right now)

Shepard: Very unsure what to think here. If I had to pick an alignment, it would be scum, but there are things that make me unsure. The FoSing of me without actually seeming to think that I'm scum seems to go against what scum would want to do. If they wanted to get me lynched, then just get me lynched. If they want to "townread" me, then I would expect some amount of buddying here. But maybe my problem here is that I'm making expected scumplay too simplistic. Maybe Shepard is just scum.

The worst: TBG's post at the end of Day 2 did resonate with me as I had been thinking similar things. I find the worst's play to be generally town but with nothing that actually strongly points away from scum, and at this stage of the game, that requires a re-look at the worst's alignment. He also seems to really fit with what I'd expect from coasting scum, but Taly did strongly think he was town and they did have some kind of role interaction, which gives me pause.

Shoshin: Despite her being a common scumread, I actually like her play. I know I don't have any strong reason for thinking this, but I feel uncomfortable about the idea of lynching her. Maybe this is a bad thing! Maybe I'm just being bad! I don't know.

Fire Assassin: I don't even know. I really thought that the cop guilty fiasco was indicative of town but today's play from Fire has just not been what I would expect from town.

Chara: Probably town despite my reservations.

ManWithNoName: My feelings on him are just super mediocre. If I needed to fill a scumteam theory, then I would probably put his name in because it wouldn't make me feel uncomfortable, but that would be lazy and maybe I just need to see more.

Vaxkiller: I struggle to see his play coming from scum so my inclination is then town regardless of Maria's alignment.

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I am completely aware that most of the above is vague and unspecific and not at all helpful, but that's where my thoughts are at right now.

I probably would just lynch Shepard, but I am really worried considering how this game has gone so far.

DeasVail · Post Post #2119 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:11 pm

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2120 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:19 pm

I am at work but will be available late.

Hopefully that’s 5 hours from when Chara made that post.

@DeasVail While cute the cat pics take a while to load on my phone. It also helps me to help put emotions behind big walls of text which is something I struggle with. That’s mainly what my life is after work due to a recent taxing away mission.

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2121 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:19 pm

@DeasVail what I mean is please spoiler that cuteness

ISO · Post Post #2122 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:21 pm

I think I want to be your best friend deas but your read on me is a little gross

Dunnstral · Post Post #2123 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:24 pm

In post 2114, Chara wrote:
In post 2108, Vaxkiller wrote:This is also going to flip scum.

Commander then punreader then espeonage
i thought you wanted Punreader first in case he shoots?

we're at 12 alive, we want an extra kill right now

Commander Shepard · Post Post #2124 (ISO) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:41 pm

In post 1941, Punreader wrote:
In post 1893, ManWithNoName wrote:punreader, you should just shoot me so that town can lynch a scum tomorrow rather than wasting time on me.
You know, this is actually the shot I had submitted until four hours prior to deadline, but to explain why I didn't, you have to first understand:
Commander Shepherd had a method of communicating with me, and
asked
me to shoot him. I wasn't particularly fond of the idea, but I obliged all the same. So, neither kill was mine. (The source of Taly's death is, presumably, having been the N1 nightkill and pun simply shooting TehBrawlGuy tonight.)

I'm fairly confident in three pun being Fire Assassin, Shoshin, and ManWithNoName (outside chance of the worst) at this point, but I still maintain Fire Assassin should not be lynched today. (In spite of his investigation choice being one which is 98% likely a pun investigation as Dunnstral was already nigh-conftown.) Given this,
VOTE: Shoshin.

@Dunn what do you make of this post here?