Open 726 - Revenge of the Vengeful (Endgame)
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You see an opener like that and you expect to find a recent possibly ongoing game where the person was lynched for shit reasons and that obviously does not exist here (note that I make no comment on any ongoings).2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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Did you mean enigma here?In post 62, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Also, I can state Trinity is a quite strong townread for me.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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Ok so the play here isn't to lynch the scummiest person, it's to lynch the second scummiest person and have them venge the scummiest person
it would add a lot of equity if we can get rid of scum without giving them a vengekill
lynching scum gives them a vig and win equities out like a normal mafia game
lynching town gives us a vig and win equities out like nightless2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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idk generally scum don't -all- lurk generally when you get a lurker scumteam there's one scum in the actives serving as the face
i would say there's probably 2 scum lurking in {nm/iceman/trinity/oath} and one scum in the active players
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for the record I just got annoyed that you were voting for oath and knee jerk called you scum, after review I tentatively think that you're town. you need to do more though.
can you give me like a readslist with reasons?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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so I'll just assume trinity's town even if that's not fully supported, I think I'll figure it out
RC's town
enigma's town
Don't have a super strong reason to townread Oath but suspect they're town by wagon composition
iffy on iceman but their entrance was okay I guess
A50 I think is sliightly above rand to be town? bu
that leaves
MM
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okay so NM/MM is two scum
0 mention of NM, then votes him. RVS, sure, but high equity to be a SvS interaction. He never addresses it again.In post 28, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:In post 13, Enigma wrote:Because his first post is to set up a defence for when he gets accused later in game
tbh woulda done it regardless of his RV
"but guayyys im behaving scummy not because im scum but but but because its how i always play"
How are you so sure he is town already from just one post?
VOTE: Not_MafiaIn post 15, Enigma wrote:he's only played a few games, have a look at his flips?
[quote\]However, the fact that he searched for me is quite townish... but again, we must not read for activity[/quote]
This is pretty fucking strange: why would I have bothered to search for him. This isn't a question of reading for activity, it's a question of the fact that it's something I have literally no motivation to do as scum besides to fake my towngame.
writing it off as activity is scum handwaving a reason to townread me.
next mention of N_M and it implies that NM is empty and not engaging but makes no effort to follow it upIn post 46, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
N_M neither though ^^In post 45, Rei wrote:Her vote on NM seems a bit empty
I don't see her posting anything else either
trying to get her to engage more I guess
this is still ickWait, no. It doesn't because you did not even refer to what you meant. Unless you intentionally made a double edged question...
this is again awfulWhy I townread RC but wonder if he didn't try to buddy me? Because he's right, but he saw only a half of the post (As did Enigma, but I do not believe it has a strong scum use). He said it looked like genuine anger, and he's right, because it took a long long time on my homesite for people to accept my style, even as town. However, I worded that in a so scummy way that I thought he would at least MENTION it was scummy. Idk, I'm not saying he should've scumread me for it, but maybe... express an healthy amount of suspicion towards a genuine-scummy post? I still townread him though.
if he thinks that he was genuinely scummy and that I called him scum regardless then he should have a problem with that. lack of healthy amount of suspicion towards a genuinely scummy post is something you should be worried about it
this is again another part where the way he talks about his read on me should be a scumread but he ends up saying that he townreads me in spite of it
NM comes in, continues to do absolutely nothing
this is a really bad post, way he singles out nm feels kind of bad but the extending it to everyone gives definite gut vibes that he's trying to not make NM look different in his ISO from other peopleSomeone please give an award to RC who got N_M to post serious stuff. That seriously deserves a medal. @N_M, reads yet? What do you think about me?
I am asking this question to everyone btw. Please answer.
also really the whole 'I was intentionally scummy' makes a lot more sense as scum who just thinks that they were scummy and is repeatedly trying to make an excuse for it than as town who was intentionally acting scummy for reasons that make no sense
townread on NM is cmoplete garbage.Not_Mafia. He's not different from the games I've played with him, and he was town in every of them. Slight slight slight townish lean.
weird postIn post 141, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:In post 139, Not_Mafia wrote:
Snore
Care to defend yourself?
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why is he asking someone that he supposedly townreads to defend themselves?
I think the odds of him actually making this post as town are super super low, I don't think newbies generally think a lot about hwether scum have daychat or notTbh, I agree with you... Since scum have a perma chat, they can plan during day. It's not like normal setups where D1 is the 14 first days where scum don't have any coordination.
In post 167, Not_Mafia wrote:You can't leash someone when there's no consequences to them not following through with the plan
again the setting up venge chains order is super, super, super protown and increases town equity a ridiculous amountIn post 168, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:I agree with N_M
who are the two people in this game who try to discourage us from setting up venge chains so that we can prevent scum from getting nightkills? these two.
I can't put anything to this that anyone would understand but I think this post is extremely scum indicativeIn post 182, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Tomorrow I'll explain y'all the reasons of my strategy. If you're town, you should probably convince us you are. And if you're scum, you should try to lie!
what's with the focus on the NM read? Why does NM come up so disproporitonately often for someone who is barely in the gameIn post 184, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
You read N_M in the same way that you read Almost50??In post 179, IcemanCh wrote:re
and again another terribly svs interaction: his rationale is basically that NM is scummy because they actually posted but instead of following up on that he immediately goes to other people to try to get them to dissuade himIn post 193, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Right now, I have doubts on N_M. He actually contributed, which is against his town meta... I've never seen him play scum, but does someone know if he acts more contributive as town or scum, or if it's NAI?
yeah okWell, half of N_M's posts were about ISP term, but he actually expressed a legitimate concern about leashing vengekills, which is 100% right. He doesn't feel like the previous games I played with him. Unless it's because I'm town now o.0
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I agree. VOTE: Oath Btw you have gained town points for your stream of posts. I'll post another list of reads tomorrow... with simple colorsIn post 195, IcemanCh wrote:VOTE: Oath
If we are not using any strategy to votes/veng kills then I think we need to put pressure on Oath. Only three posts and zero content.
@Oath what are your reads? What do you think of the current game state?
votes the counterwagon to NM despite having just claimed NM as a scumread then tries to call me out for me asking him why he voted oath instead of answeringIn post 201, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
Why N_M over Oath? Why this post?? Potential association here (not meaning I don't townread you)In post 196, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why oath over NM?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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but uh yeah
I'm also going to strongly advocate that we lynch -neither- of them and instead lynch a partner read and have them venge one if we're town so that we don't give scum nightkills2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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NM is doing nothing to make sur he gets the vengekill and then gets to remove me r om the game and play 2v5In post 228, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
What makes you think that? I don't see the train of thoughts behind this statement.In post 227, RadiantCowbells wrote:the point of his play is to get the venge off on me and you're enabling it by not lynching someone else and having them venge him.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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so you think that someone is scum, but they threaten to vengekill you
now they're scum so they'd be making whatever the highest equity play is anyway
but you don't want to lynch them because they're going to venge you, IF they're town?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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