this is incentive for sando to respond to me:
Would you say this timeline is correct sando?
I say one of not_mafia or sando is probably maf.
In post 431, OkaPoka wrote:okay so if sando flips town we lynch not_mafia and if sando flips scum not_mafia is a good boi?
want to try out this experiment
ur response:
In post 438, Sando wrote: In post 425, OkaPoka wrote:Other scum could be anyone.
Don't know, don't care rn. Maybe it is seal, I just think not_mafia is a much superior lynch than seal today.
So you acknowledge you're considering the "other scum", which is a different faction than whatever scum you think (thought) NM is, then:
In post 431, OkaPoka wrote:okay so if sando flips town we lynch not_mafia and if sando flips scum not_mafia is a good boi?
You assume a binary outcome here, red+red is flat out not an option for you in this scenario? Why not?
saying that im assuming too much. im not considering the very possibility of n_m and sando scum
fine:
i revise my strategy
In post 439, OkaPoka wrote: In post 438, Sando wrote: In post 425, OkaPoka wrote:Other scum could be anyone.
Don't know, don't care rn. Maybe it is seal, I just think not_mafia is a much superior lynch than seal today.
So you acknowledge you're considering the "other scum", which is a different faction than whatever scum you think (thought) NM is, then:
In post 431, OkaPoka wrote:okay so if sando flips town we lynch not_mafia and if sando flips scum not_mafia is a good boi?
You assume a binary outcome here, red+red is flat out not an option for you in this scenario? Why not?
one maf is dead
that means
there is either sk left
maf left
or sk and maf left
so yeah
In post 440, OkaPoka wrote:and to the other point:
if you flip red and game isnt over and not_mafia isnt dead
we keep sheeping him until he is wrong
this isnt a ridiculous strategy join the train
because not_mafia is an omniscient mafia genius who needs no explanation
ill sheep until not_mafia is wrong
IMPLYING THAT BOTH OF YOU CAN BE SCUM
you at the time, respond with
In post 448, Sando wrote: In post 445, OkaPoka wrote:okay
so when you say im acknowledging other scum as another faction then that is a given right?
I'm saying that in your Sando vs NM post you've assumed that only one of us can flip scum. The only people who can assume that (other than me and NM obviously) are:
Scum (either Mafia or SK)
GS with an inno on one of the 2 - that's not true here, you'd be pushing your inno and I can't see a gambit/trap from you here
Vig with a guilty elsewhere - that's not true here, and even if true you can't be 100%
Vig who ate Blackstar!Mafia - somehow I doubt that...
So given I can't see any logical town rational for your assumption+play, that only leaves scum in that list.
okay, that is a fair analysis of my pre-revised plan. maybe you are responding to that, i don't know. we continue to talk about meta and not _mafia and you dont spam me to follow up, so i assume you got my implication was just trying to clarify your own position.
then out of left field
In post 532, Sando wrote: In post 520, LuckyOtter wrote:A. If you feel that scum didn't bus MM, and you're pinning me as SK, what does that make Not_Mafia, who voted MM before I did?
Oka literally cannot handle the idea that there's multiple scum, as I talked about in
448. Oka has ignored this point for a while now.
but i already told you that ill sheep not_mafia until he is wrong. which means if you flip scum and our next n_m lynch flips town then we lynch not_mafia. therefore implying that yes, both of you can be scum.
In post 539, Sando wrote:
So you're just going to...keep ignoring it?
So the basis of your plan here Oka is to sheep someone you complain is completely unreadable, and when that persons target flips town, claim vindication and lynch the person you were sheeping? All the while ignoring actual content, directed at you or otherwise.
As you're so keen of asking, please, explain to me the town rationale behind that?
wow that is a serious bundle of outdated stuff. i had already revised my plan, i was no longer doing the sheep not_mafia strategy. i answered the questions directed at me, in fact im generating the content here.
In post 541, Sando wrote: In post 540, OkaPoka wrote:im pretty sure im voting not_mafia rn, ive answered questions directed at me, but nice try
I literally just linked to a post from you that you ignored and instead responded with "ow that hurts".
VOTE: Okapoka
and then this.
you accuse me of ignoring 448, but at the time you didnt want me to followup. i believed it was all clarified because of my revising posts of the strategy of the time, which mind you occurred before 448. i mean i guess i ignored 448 to the same extent of me saying "the sky is blue" and then you asking "what color is the sky" and then i dont respond. I literally preemptively answered your question, which i didnt even know was a question at the time, but if it was then i already answered it. i modified my plan due to your criticisms, which should have been obvious because you were still conversing with me.
In post 546, Sando wrote: In post 544, OkaPoka wrote:i was just going to sheep not_mafia until he was wrong at the time
and then lynch him
so logically speaking if u flipped red, n_m wagons up another who flips green then id scumread n_m
Bullshit, you're moving the goalposts:
In post 431, OkaPoka wrote:okay so if sando flips town we lynch not_mafia and
if sando flips scum not_mafia is a good boi
?
want to try out this experiment
lmao
yes the plan was modified or "the goalposts were moved" but that was with your input.
if we reread 448 with context, it does not seem like you are trying to call me out anymore on not considering a n_m + sando scum, but if you were, i already answered the question BEFORE YOU CALLED ME OUT ON IT.
BEFORE
BEFORE
BEFORE
anything i miss?
pedit:
and before you say you actually wanted me to followup on 448
In post 451, Sando wrote: In post 447, OkaPoka wrote:is there a difference between scum not_mafia and town not_mafia that we can find?
Here's a scumgame I played with him (I was town to his scum):
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=75812
Here's his description of his play:
NM wrote:1 Quickhammer literally every gameday
2 Take Quick to LyLo
3 ??????????
4 Profit
He might know he can't get away with it this game, but lolhammering the L-1 on Unreal is very much something he'd do as scum and not as town.
In post 453, Sando wrote: In post 452, OkaPoka wrote:then why arent u seeing the easy solution to this game
go ahead an L-1 unreal and let not_mafia show up and lolhammer
a) We've poisoned the well by having to talk this through so much and so deeply, he's not going to lolhammer through my "lol NM if you lolhammer you're clearly scum", so the clear doesn't mean much anymore. He's a troll, he's not an idiot, it's not like he's obligated to write the lolhammer if the opportunity presents, he has agency.
b) his trolling is different from the scumgame I just linked
c) Manatee already put Unreal to L-1 and NM didn't lolhammer
d) Lolhammer on a possible PR is a terrible way (risk/waste) to out scum
In post 455, Sando wrote:
What's this "we", I already TR NM, I'm giving you info to help you come to a conclusion, go read his other games.
In post 457, Sando wrote:
Not particularly, no. He's maybe a bit better than average with his reads as town, but that's not saying much on MS.
thats 6 posts over the course of more than a day without any indication of you wanting me to answer anything
but as soon as lucky and skygazer forms a wagon
your very next post is
In post 532, Sando wrote: In post 520, LuckyOtter wrote:A. If you feel that scum didn't bus MM, and you're pinning me as SK, what does that make Not_Mafia, who voted MM before I did?
Oka literally cannot handle the idea that there's multiple scum, as I talked about in
448. Oka has ignored this point for a while now.
now you want me to followup. now suddenly i cannot consider multiple scum.