SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Errantparabola]

Votecount 3.4

Commander Shepard

(5): Fire Assassin, ManWithNoName, Dunnstral, Shoshin, Vaxkiller

Shoshin

(3): Punreader, the worst, Commander Shepard

Fire Assassin

(1): Espeonage

Not Voting

(3): MariaR, Chara, DeasVail

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-21 13:08:00)

[Shoshin]

the worst, why are you voting me?

[Commander Shepard]

Okay...let’s assume for a moment that happened and I am town.
Furthermore let’s assume that the lightning rod happened

Then who would be scum in that case. I am thinking Shoshin still.

Why are we making an ass out of you and me here?

I am a human. However I have met a good centaur race before. Maybe you’re a centaur male with no name?

If you mean why we would assume that is the case, it is because I am town and am trying to get people to consider the truth. This way, if I am mislynched, people are able to see where I am coming from and prepare for the next day. Considering the fact I replaced in and it has been non stop tunnel on my slot people owe me the chance to actually read me and present a case why I am scum or why I am town.

The only person I have seen do that is Vax and it’s “I shot you and you didn’t die” and my answer was “I wanted to” and here’s my crumb from the prior day proving so.

I am trying to bring discussion to the forefront and the fact that you deflect so is rather intriguing. Are you desperate man with no name? I figure if you surely scumread me a case or discussion could only help you, not hurt your cause. Your, what I believe is joking, does you no favors.

[Commander Shepard]

Let’s further more break down the people on my wagon:

1) Fire — A cop claim that could go either way.
2) ManWuthNoName — A Player that could go either way that has dodged discussion twice now
3) Dunn — Likely town could be deep wolf but probably town.
4) Shoshin — ObvScum said plenty there
5) Vaxkiller — A man who likely fakeclaimed vig and the only reason he isn’t being considered is the “inno”. Also can’t keep who the fuck He scumreads straight and wants all the options on the table besides his buddies.

Most of the votes are incredibly stale and lack any sort of logic at all. Or are manufactured logic (in the case of Vax. No one is actively pushing me yet the votes remain.

It’s much more likely this is a scumdriven wagon waiting on town to “finish me offL then claim “oh it was a mislynch who was on the end of it”.

[Commander Shepard]

In contrast let’s look at the Shoshin wagon

It has Punreader (almost certainly not group scum), the worst (pretty sure not group scum) and me (town af)

Seriously this isn’t hard.

[ManWithNoName]

Okay, let me try to get this out in the simplest way possible. You keep talking about this lightning rod thing and I am having a hard time wrapping my head around why I need to assume your theory on a lightning rod is true in order to believe you are town.

Why should I assume that this lighting rod thing occurred?

[ManWithNoName]

Telling me you are town is not an answer as to why there is a whole lightning rod thing going on. I'm trying to just understand what you are saying.

[Commander Shepard]

Okay, let me try to get this out in the simplest way possible. You keep talking about this lightning rod thing and I am having a hard time wrapping my head around why I need to assume your theory on a lightning rod is true in order to believe you are town.

Why should I assume that this lighting rod thing occurred?

1) Because I tried to commit suicide.
2) I asked punreader to shoot me. Likely not group scum said they did.
3) Vaxkiller, the “inno” said they shot me.
4) No protective that I know of protects from two kills in a night and no one in their right mind would protect me after I asked to die.

5) This means even if you scumread me incorrectly. Even if you think I am one shot BP incorrectly then someone would have to protect me. When I specifically called out yesterday I wanted to die.

[Commander Shepard]

6) The alternative is you believe I am scum with Vaxkiller and Vackiller didn’t shoot me which then you could believe I am one shot BP.

[ManWithNoName]

Or that you are immune to NKs one time as the SK, which I pitched a while back, and still seems pretty reasonable here.

[Commander Shepard]

The two shots on me dictate that someone is lying about shooting me. And I am going with the person who said they were shooting me before I didn’t die as being honest.

Pedit

So you believe that town has a semiconditional BP Infinite shot Vig
A BP cop
And a novice (shots tbd) vig
And scum didn’t have a strongman to counter?

[Commander Shepard]

And you believe two vigs and an SK exist

And I didn’t kill ANYONE?

[Commander Shepard]

Some of your assumptions would HAVE to be wrong there.

Otherwise I would have to be infinite shot lynch proof infinite shot BP godfather SK to even stand a chance against a semi conditional BP infinite shot vig Town. Like an SK would have considerable powers to balance the fact they would be alone.

One shot deathproof is weaker than semi conditional BP by miles.

[Commander Shepard]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Deathproof

It is also generally not used in games like ever. And claiming that I want to die and then NOT dying is a huge way to get a target on my back.

Why the ever loving fuck would I do that?

[ManWithNoName]

I think we're discounting the fact that scum could have shot Taly again. Like, they didn't know Taly was going to die if they shot him N1, probably still wanted him dead. Other kill goes to the SK.

Also, I don't know that punreader actually claimed to kill you before you didn't die. Remember, I don't have access to the neighborhood to confirm that.

I do think that MariaR is town, so she clears Vax for me, and trying to lynch Vaxkiller, then, is just dumb.

[ManWithNoName]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Deathproof

It is also generally not used in games like ever. And claiming that I want to die and then NOT dying is a huge way to get a target on my back.

Why the ever loving fuck would I do that?

I don't know, I can't explain any of the word diarrhea you are sending out!

[Commander Shepard]

I think we're discounting the fact that scum could have shot Taly again. Like, they didn't know Taly was going to die if they shot him N1, probably still wanted him dead. Other kill goes to the SK.

Also, I don't know that punreader actually claimed to kill you before you didn't die. Remember, I don't have access to the neighborhood to confirm that.

I do think that MariaR is town, so she clears Vax for me, and trying to lynch Vaxkiller, then, is just dumb.

First sentence wrong for many reasons
1) Wrong. Taly claimed they were going to die. Taly did die.
2) Scum would want Taly dead a person without any concrete reads over a “inno” in Vax. Why?
3) Why would I as an SK shoot TBG of all people? I can think of others I would shoot as an SK over an unclaimed person. I am the fucking Cookie Monster. I eat crumbs for breakfast.
4) Your last sentence asks why the fuck scum in that scenario don’t shoot Vax?

Second sentence is wrong because
1) It has been said multiple times.
2) Punreader themselves said so in thread this is the case.
3) Punreader is confirmed not group scum.
4) Your case requires punreader to lie.


..Do you need more reasons as to why that is hell to the no?

[Commander Shepard]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Deathproof

It is also generally not used in games like ever. And claiming that I want to die and then NOT dying is a huge way to get a target on my back.

Why the ever loving fuck would I do that?

I don't know, I can't explain any of the word diarrhea you are sending out!

Then slow down and read it and attempt to understand what I am saying instead of attacking it and calling it diarrhea.

Because calling me an SK is just levels of stupid play
And even if you believe that you’re not voting a scumread which is a recipe for goddamn disaster tomorrow if you are right.

[Commander Shepard]

Because radical concept I am not an SK.

[Commander Shepard]

What kind of scum team leaves two cops an “innocent” and a claimed vig all alive to day three? Like ......

[ManWithNoName]

I've spent most of my time in Day 3 trying to decipher what you are trying to say and asking you has helped with nothing. I don't understand it. So, I'm frustrated because I'm really trying to understand, and I try to ask questions, but you just keep using the word "confirmed" for your beliefs and do not actually provide your proof for confirmation.

I can't understand when the answers to my claims are I'm going against confirmed knowledge and the answer to why should I believe it is basically that the information is confirmed.

Show me evidence to support your statements or I guess you'll have to keep making statements and I'll have to keep not understanding where its coming from.

[Commander Shepard]

With any luck you won’t have to bother and I will be dead and y’all will lynch Shoshin.

<< FYI one of my crumbs if anyone cares

I asked to die yesterday in thread. Fact.

[ManWithNoName]

With any luck you won’t have to bother and I will be dead and y’all will lynch Shoshin.

<< FYI one of my crumbs if anyone cares

I asked to die yesterday in thread. Fact.

Okay, taking this piece by piece. I agree on this point.

Now, why is this important to the grand scheme of things?

[Commander Shepard]

punreader, you should just shoot me so that town can lynch a scum tomorrow rather than wasting time on me.

You know, this is actually the shot I had submitted until four hours prior to deadline, but to explain why I didn't, you have to first understand:
Commander Shepherd had a method of communicating with me, and

asked

me to shoot him. I wasn't particularly fond of the idea, but I obliged all the same. So, neither kill was mine. (The source of Taly's death is, presumably, having been the N1 nightkill and pun simply shooting TehBrawlGuy tonight.)

I'm fairly confident in three pun being Fire Assassin, Shoshin, and ManWithNoName (outside chance of the worst) at this point, but I still maintain Fire Assassin should not be lynched today. (In spite of his investigation choice being one which is 98% likely a pun investigation as Dunnstral was already nigh-conftown.) Given this,
VOTE: Shoshin.

Punreader,very likely not group scum, confirmed the fact I asked them to shoot me.

Do you see this?

[Commander Shepard]

With any luck you won’t have to bother and I will be dead and y’all will lynch Shoshin.

<< FYI one of my crumbs if anyone cares

I asked to die yesterday in thread. Fact.

Okay, taking this piece by piece. I agree on this point.

Now, why is this important to the grand scheme of things?

I will get to that I am just going post by post.