OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)


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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:50 am

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VOTE COUNT 1.3



Sando (1)
~ BuJaber,
skitter30 (1)
~ AP,
AP (0)
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brassherald (0)
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BuJaber (4)
~ ofrhz, vulcan logician, Enigma, Skygazer,
Ausuka (0)
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Skygazer (0)
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vulcan logician (1)
~ Sando,
ceejayvinoya (0)
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ruru (1)
~ OkaPoka,
ofrhz (0)
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Invisibility (0)
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OkaPoka (2)
~ brassherald, ruru,
Enigma (2)
~ ceejayvinoya, Ausuka,

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skitter30, Invisibility,

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:09 am

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Hmm

Town: ofrhz, skitter, brass, maybe AP

Lacks town: invis
Feels forced: oka
Possible svs: enigma/bujaber

Of those four I actually scumread bujaber least
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:47 am

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In post 47, brassherald wrote:Enigma, I know nothing about, but BuJaber's stark insistence that they all chose different numbers actually, in my opinion, opens up a possibility that he could be on a scum team that suggested that. I need more time to read BuJaber, but, I do want to note that later on, if he ends up being scum, I would not count out Enigma or two of Ceejay/Sando/ofrhz being scum partners with him. (Again, you guys can add myself and Ausuka to the list to analyze)
So this is the only part of Brass's post that I think needs clarification:
I very much doubt CJ is partnered with ofrhz, and I know he's not partnered with me. CJ is a very blasé scum when it comes to using powers or plans etc, and basically peaces out of that part of the game, I can't see him going along with this plan and being part of the double up. He would happily let his partners do what they want, so he could be solo to the 3's or the 6's, but I doubt he'd be partnered with a double up.
In post 75, BuJaber wrote:@Sando - what is CJ?
Town it looks like to me
In post 88, skitter30 wrote:In post 9, Sando wrote:
VOTE: VulkanLogician

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kinda surprised you didn't comment on the ruru-1 thing above?
I went looking to confirm the signup post had the "I'm gonna pick 1" thing, and it doesn't, it got edited, I wasn't sure if it was ok to post outside info.
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:01 pm

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In post 120, BuJaber wrote:But to answer the question I find it scummy to disagree with someone who has shared their opinion and given reasons for their opinion without also stating why you disagree.
- it might be laziness
- it might be a way to reduce the person's influence
- it might be a way to make them change the subject (especially if they are on the right track)
- it might be a way to discourage them from sharing their thoughts (this one is rare I don't think people do this often but there is definitely an advantage for scum if town talk less and when a towny's arguments are met with just 'no' / 'wrong' etc, it can be disheartening) now I'm not discouraged by things like that but unless they're an alt they haven't played with me before and thus wouldn't know this about me.
i mean, i can understand what you're saying in a broad context but i didn't really get this sort of vibe from ofrhz's post; it's more of a playstyle thing from him i think. like i'm saying that i doubt he had any sort of nefarious intent behind that post; i think he just posts that way in a general sense

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In post 119, skitter30 wrote:barring a marathon game last week
Technically suiciding and venging town is my scum meta now :lol:
you also said you didn't say anything that game :lol:

i've got some other thoughts on the pgo thing but i feel like it's prob best not to speculate aloud just yet

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In post 126, ruru wrote:Hmm

Town: ofrhz, skitter, brass, maybe AP

Lacks town: invis
Feels forced: oka
Possible svs: enigma/bujaber

Of those four I actually scumread bujaber least
i'm low-key getting the vibe from and that oka is trying to find reasons to find the pgo thing scummy?

especially since he keeps asking about how good you are at mafia and i had already talked about my experience with your meta at least once

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In post 127, Sando wrote:I very much doubt CJ is partnered with ofrhz, and I know he's not partnered with me. CJ is a very blasé scum when it comes to using powers or plans etc, and basically peaces out of that part of the game, I can't see him going along with this plan and being part of the double up. He would happily let his partners do what they want, so he could be solo to the 3's or the 6's, but I doubt he'd be partnered with a double up.
i really want that scum PT to be opened up ....

@ap: is this a fair assessment of scum!cj given jungle republic?
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:04 pm

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In post 128, skitter30 wrote:i really want that scum PT to be opened up ....
I'm actually basing this off a newbie I played with him.

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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:06 pm

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got it, my one and only game with him is jungle republic and all i can base my understanding of that assessment on is how he reacted to ap's plan in thread after the guilty

i'll check out that link at some point.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:09 pm

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@skitter30 why aren't you voting someone?

also to everyone, meta changes lets not let it be our guiding reason to scumread/townread someone. especially if you think someone is not capable of doing x because of y game, they can improve and be able to do x in this game.
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:15 pm

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In post 130, skitter30 wrote:got it, my one and only game with him is jungle republic and all i can base my understanding of that assessment on is how he reacted to ap's plan in thread after the guilty

i'll check out that link at some point.
It's probably a better indicator yeah. Newbie with me the cop was basically a single word short of hard-claiming cop, CJs partner noticed it (as did pretty much everyone) and posted in scum pt during twilight of his lynch that CJ should kill the person. CJ was like "nah fuck it, ima kill this other guy", completely missing the cop thing entirely.

Basically, CJ strikes me as a great scum in game, but not one for following da plan, hence I think he wouldn't be part of a pair that picked the same number, but I think he wouldn't mind if his two partners paired up their numbers and left him solo.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:17 pm

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you are reading way too much into this to the point where it is borderline non-useful and probably not true
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:21 pm

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90% scum wouldn't want to double up

you are discrediting CJ too much too, he is fully capable of doing out of meta strategies, i mean it isn't that complex to suggest to double up and it isn't that complex to be willing to double up.
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:26 pm

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In post 134, OkaPoka wrote:90% scum wouldn't want to double up
94.5% to be exact.
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:33 pm

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In post 135, Sando wrote:
In post 134, OkaPoka wrote:90% scum wouldn't want to double up
94.5% to be exact.
wait scum have doubled up before?
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:36 pm

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In post 131, OkaPoka wrote:@skitter30 why aren't you voting someone?

also to everyone, meta changes lets not let it be our guiding reason to scumread/townread someone. especially if you think someone is not capable of doing x because of y game, they can improve and be able to do x in this game.
cuz i'm still getting a feel for things and not sure where i want to vote yet; i often don't vote (or don't vote seriously) till later on during day1

i can't really speak to cj meta but i feel fairly confident on the ruru meta tbh

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In post 130, skitter30 wrote:got it, my one and only game with him is jungle republic and all i can base my understanding of that assessment on is how he reacted to ap's plan in thread after the guilty

i'll check out that link at some point.
It's probably a better indicator yeah. Newbie with me the cop was basically a single word short of hard-claiming cop, CJs partner noticed it (as did pretty much everyone) and posted in scum pt during twilight of his lynch that CJ should kill the person. CJ was like "nah fuck it, ima kill this other guy", completely missing the cop thing entirely.

Basically, CJ strikes me as a great scum in game, but not one for following da plan, hence I think he wouldn't be part of a pair that picked the same number, but I think he wouldn't mind if his two partners paired up their numbers and left him solo.
i get what you're saying but idk if i would go so far to rule him out from potentially pairing up because of this tbh

honestly in a general sense i don't really think that the draft numbers should form the basis of reads (not talking to you specifically here); like it can def be a factor but it shouldn't be the *main* factor imo since WIFOM is inherently at play here
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:41 pm

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In post 120, BuJaber wrote:Why is starting wagons a bad thing, stargazer ? Or whoever asked
Not starting wagons, calling for lynches.
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:42 pm

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still townreading ruru
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:44 pm

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In post 138, Skygazer wrote:
In post 120, BuJaber wrote:Why is starting wagons a bad thing, stargazer ? Or whoever asked
Not starting wagons, calling for lynches.
i call for lynches all the time as town
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:52 pm

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In post 136, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 135, Sando wrote:
In post 134, OkaPoka wrote:90% scum wouldn't want to double up
94.5% to be exact.
wait scum have doubled up before?
Yep, once that I can see.
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:05 pm

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In post 140, OkaPoka wrote:i call for lynches all the time as town
This early?
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:07 pm

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In post 142, Skygazer wrote:
In post 140, OkaPoka wrote:i call for lynches all the time as town
This early?
maybe not this early but the point is calling for lynches can be done by town
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:07 pm

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Scum picks in drafts (I did this before I remembered someone had already done this I want my 30 minutes back :( :( )
Open 427: 1, 4, 8
Open 472: 1, 3, 7
Open 486: 1, 10, 22
Open 506: 1, 5, 6
Open 518: 5, 12, 42
Open 542: 1, 2, 6
Open 579: 2, 3, 8
Open 593: 4, 9, 15
Open 630: 2, 2, 6 (scum lost lol)
Open 649: 6, 11, 13
Open 675: 1, 3, 10
Open 701: 1, 3, 5
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:09 pm

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game meta says ruru is most likely scum xd
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:13 pm

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In post 119, skitter30 wrote:viewtopic.php?f=90&t=75474

i'm having a lot of trouble seeing the person who kept posting to herself 'i am town' in her scum pt (i'm pretty sure this is last scumgame on site barring a marathon game last week) trying to pull any of these things off as scum tbh
Ok her scum play is sooooooooo very different to what we see here. As scum she posted meaningful discussions and fake analysis. Here, it sounds like she has a posting restriction ... it is so different that it seems almost forced.
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:15 pm

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In post 113, OkaPoka wrote:sounds like he was doing some weird probability calculations/rvs vote. I don't think that is inherently scummy at this phase of the game, it was like a semi-rvs vote. It's not like BuJaber is going to be lynched this quick in the game.
It's game theory ... its not weird!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
The name sounds much more exciting than the theory itself btw...
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:28 pm

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@invisibility why no vote anyone yet ?
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:42 pm

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who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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