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In post 113, Staeg wrote:Excellent and also missing the point
This strong of posts are trash becauseIn post 114, Staeg wrote:
YessssIn post 103, DrippingGoofball wrote:
#ScumPostDetectedIn post 89, Kokichi Oma wrote:Well this game started quickly
unvote
Vote: kokichi oma
1) That LLD post is not good in fact it's nai on the scummy side
2) That Kokichi post is NAI
VOTE: StagI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I'm saying it's nai but if you're asking to pick 1 side it's scummy.In post 118, kuribo wrote:In post 115, MariaR wrote:it's nai on the scummy side
That's an oxymoron unless you're just tossing out Mafia wordsI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Yes you got me I'm defending my partner from 1 post that's not going to pick up steam. You're quite aggravated at 1 person discrediting you. Oh and I'm scum for itIn post 120, Staeg wrote:
It's an attempt to be rather clever while also trying to divert attention away from the buddy with the budding wagonIn post 118, kuribo wrote:In post 115, MariaR wrote:it's nai on the scummy side
That's an oxymoron unless you're just tossing out Mafia words
Pedit: For Kokichi not LLD
Pedit2: I've played enough games with LLD to be able to read her every time she's been scum against me I've caught herI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Then we have no issue here if LLD is scum we'll find her yes? I'm allowed to have my opinion on her post not being good or not just as you are on Kokichi. We can both tell the other we're incorrect all we want it's just a matter if we listen. So are you going to listen?In post 130, kuribo wrote:In post 128, MariaR wrote:Pedit2: I've played enough games with LLD to be able to read her every time she's been scum against me I've caught her
Same, so shall we go by seniority and depth of experience?I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Give me a few more pages and you'll get an answer he's meh to me atm. Don't mind if you vote him
I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I plan on reading the pages I missed after holiday for now stag is my biggest sr for reasons already statedIn post 441, thepixiecollective wrote:
do you have any other reads?In post 436, MariaR wrote:I'm fine marking ghost as townI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I don't really enjoy nacho's 2 posts that he made doesn't seem as confident is the best way I can say it I'm pretty sure I'm gonna keep my vote on stagI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I have my Dunnstral read but I'll keep it to myself for now and see how others play on it cause I expect others to sheep my Dunn read once I say it.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I can see why Esp is town but not to the extent people are saying. I wanna hear more on that.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I can read Dunnstral better than any player and that's not even a joke. I'm his bestie for over a year I think my case trumps yours but sure do as you wish it's up to you to believe me when I say it or notIn post 502, thepixiecollective wrote:
you might want to lower your expectations there cos I for 1 am only going to listen to my own read. I have hydras with 5 players in this game, are you going to sheep my reads on all 5 of those players?In post 484, MariaR wrote:I have my Dunnstral read but I'll keep it to myself for now and see how others play on it cause I expect others to sheep my Dunn read once I say it.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Why are you never asking me anything? It seems like you feel people shouldn't be able to have a read on me from the posts I've made so far. If that's the case ask me something. Otherwise you're just uselessly shadingIn post 562, Dunnstral wrote:
ok, let's go about this anothe rway then, why do you have maria as town enough to sheep from her limited posting so far?In post 457, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'm not sheeping Maria, you take that back.
I'm respecting Maria's ability to read you, if she suddenly strongly feels one way I'm going to heavily consider it because I have Maria as town.
As of right now, Maria has said nothing but "eh" towards you, and my read on you is scummy, so I'm voting you.
Don't get it twisted, don't represent it another way.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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You're right I've pushed it as scum what's your point? That I can't do that as town? You should be questioning the people townreading me or questioning me because from what it seems I'm pretty widely tr me so maybe you're the one who doesn't get it. The main point here wasn't that you're not talking to me. It's I'm not understanding the shade or why I had to prod you for you to say "You shouldn't have maria as town." People would listen to your read on me so the fact you're holding on to that until just now.In post 605, Dunnstral wrote:
Half your posts are you saying you'll catch up later, the other half is your reads with no reasoning behind them. Nobody should have you as town right now until you engage some more. You've pushed this "Dunn doesn't talk to me" angle as scum before when I was town so I'm not sure why you're going at it again, I don't have anything to ask you other than what your reads are. Also, you should be townreading meIn post 600, MariaR wrote:
Why are you never asking me anything? It seems like you feel people shouldn't be able to have a read on me from the posts I've made so far. If that's the case ask me something. Otherwise you're just uselessly shadingIn post 562, Dunnstral wrote:
ok, let's go about this anothe rway then, why do you have maria as town enough to sheep from her limited posting so far?In post 457, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'm not sheeping Maria, you take that back.
I'm respecting Maria's ability to read you, if she suddenly strongly feels one way I'm going to heavily consider it because I have Maria as town.
As of right now, Maria has said nothing but "eh" towards you, and my read on you is scummy, so I'm voting you.
Don't get it twisted, don't represent it another way.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I would go into a debate on how you're mostly incorrect but because it's about me I'm bias so I'll just mark it off as you being annoying and not able to read well for now.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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mmmm it's mostly meta and the way he's playing but I wouldn't lynch Dunn d1 and I'm not gonna support it I'm confident on it thoughIn post 617, thepixiecollective wrote:
I have srs doubts about thisIn post 614, MariaR wrote:Yeah Dunn's town.
can you sell it to meI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Wagon resistance would mean 2 people out of the whole playerlist not voting Dunn. I don't think the "Dunn is hard to lynch" = scumI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I'm not going to out my meta on Dunn it's more so if you tr me you should tr Dunn or don't believe me and waste time.In post 656, AnonymousGhost wrote:618 sold me on town!Dunn more than Maria's 625. Mainly because I like the motivational reading into Dunn's actions that Feysal is using, compared to meta arguments.
Who would you lynch at the momentI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Can die for my sanity more than a legit srIn post 668, Dunnstral wrote:How do you guys feel about camntsuki? @AnonymousGhost/MariaRI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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PreachIn post 799, AnonymousGhost wrote:If you're expecting some super complex scum case, then you're looking at the wrong player.
F is for friends who do stuff together. Kuribo do you think your dislike for dunnstral is clouding your read a little? Do you consider yourself a bias playerIn post 800, kuribo wrote:In post 766, Dunnstral wrote:The only thing these players are experienced in is getting banned, and it shows.
Ohhhhh
I see where I went wrong
Here I thought you were playing mafia
Turns out you're just an asshole
From the bottom of my heart, fuck you.
Sure if you think I'm scum with Dunnstral push me I just don't want you getting upset over thisIn post 802, kuribo wrote:And that right there, ye fucking doubters is why this disingenuous fuck is scum
He's more interested in throwing shade and not backing it up than he is in finding scum, he won't put his vote where his mouth is, he's fucking terrified he's getting smoked by players who are fucking better than him, he backs down like a little punk every time he's called out, then he comes back to snipe from the sidelines
And Maria I don't give a fuck how many times you come to say ohhhh he's town, no he fucking isn't and if you get in my way, imma rope you next to him after he flips scumI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Alright it seems I need to take a little bit of control of this game instead of just saying words and hoping people will just take my word for it because I don't like the way this game is going.
Jeez what a pain and I was hoping for a relaxing gameI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Pixie ik you've had a back and forth with Dunn the past few pages and the same with kui
can you both even though ik you most likely did somewhere give me a case or sum up why you scumread Dunn it's hard for me to jump in and put my 2 cents so I feel it's better if I just start my own convo with you. I'm also on the side that Ghost is very own town if you need help there I can do that tooI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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In post 866, kuribo wrote:BTW that Staeg vote on Dunns looks laughable as hell, he's been soft defending Dunn and now needs to set up that distance for when one of them flips
I thought you were better than that Staeg
I agree with all this why don't you join me on stag?In post 871, thepixiecollective wrote:
I 100% agree that staeg's vote on dunns looks awful. the way he changed his tune on dunns gave me whiplash.In post 866, kuribo wrote:BTW that Staeg vote on Dunns looks laughable as hell, he's been soft defending Dunn and now needs to set up that distance for when one of them flips
I thought you were better than that StaegI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I think scum can very much be in the people with less than avg posting and the top posters are town because you have more to scumread the more you post so scum are just letting us go at each other. I honestly don't think I scumread any of the top posters right now let me see:
thepixiecollective Jul 01, 06:36pm Jul 08, 02:57pm 0 days 4 hours 127 Nope that's a hard tr
kuribo Jul 01, 06:27pm Jul 08, 09:59am 0 days 9 hours 126 nope that's a light tr
Dunnstral Jul 01, 05:32pm Jul 08, 01:55am 0 days 17 hours 116 nope that's a big tr
camntsuki Jul 02, 12:11am Jul 08, 10:48am 0 days 8 hours 82 (Ok well I don't tr this slot and it's in poe but CAN'T BE ALL THAT GOOD)
AnonymousGhost Jul 01, 06:14pm Jul 08, 09:04am 0 days 10 hours 75 Nope that's a big tr
DrippingGoofball Jul 01, 06:50pm Jul 08, 01:33pm 0 days 5 hours 71 Nope that's a tr.
See where I'm getting at with this?I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Thanks for the shade it was pretty hot at work today. Why don't you explain why you found my post scummy?I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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In another game I was in with town dunn he barely ever talked about me he rarely does (no idea why he just doesn't) Reads list yeah fair I'd love to see one from him myself but he's not doing much.In post 885, thepixiecollective wrote:- he looks a bit like he is cowering with how defensive and antagonistic he is being but not engaging with what is being said to him.
- waiting on my readslist that I asked from him. so pending. this is a scumpoint because I am having to wait and I am impatient.
- his read on you makes no sense. but apparently besties only goes 1 way with him in this game. and I don't see him trying to figure you out. or me. or any progression on his kuribo read. <--- scummy
Can you quote the defensive and antagonistic posts in question?
Any other questions you got for me? I'll bop ghost on the noggin for yeI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I've made it known that I think scum are in the lurkers because I tr the people posting a lot...so how is that being fake? If you think I'm incorrect show me instead of using bland statements.In post 891, Kokichi Oma wrote:
How is that shade when I'm literally calling you out directly? Because it looks posturing or fakeIn post 884, MariaR wrote:Thanks for the shade it was pretty hot at work today. Why don't you explain why you found my post scummy?
I just want 1 post from you about a summary on why Dunn is scum instead of it over the blast of 2 pages. Or for you to go cool down because I don't want you getting this upset over a mafia gameIn post 888, kuribo wrote:In post 880, MariaR wrote:Pixie ik you've had a back and forth with Dunn the past few pages and the same with kui
can you both even though ik you most likely did somewhere give me a case or sum up why you scumread Dunn it's hard for me to jump in and put my 2 cents so I feel it's better if I just start my own convo with you. I'm also on the side that Ghost is very own town if you need help there I can do that too
Kiss my ass.
It's literally in the previous TWO FUCKING PAGES
you ain't taking control of shit, try againI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Kuri can you step back and come back when you're collected and I'll answer your points on scum Dunn?I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Mafia is a team game and I want to work with you so I can show you my view point and I can try to understand yours. It's going to be hard if you're thinking with your emotions getting upset you know?
Oh a dif note I love how the one time Kokichi pops in it's to throw shade and bettlejuice after I call scum are in lurkers it def makes me perk a brow at him. His excuse is my post is "fake" when I've had this view point for a long time. What's fake about it? Postering? Mafia's job is to mislead that's a shallow statement he needs to give examples. Is anyone else seeing this.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Kokichi "calling me out" as he says wouldn't be an issue if he was catching up and wanted to talk about my post in his catch up but he bettlejuiced and talked about my 1 post. Am I being bias here or is that as scummy as I'm seeing it?
Pedit: Chill it!I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I was waiting for that reaction, to be honest, your mannerisms are so easy to tell. Anyway moving on Muffin can I ask what your overall stances on the game are I noticed you had a lot of post but I can't remember reading a lot of them.
Kokichi remember what I told you before? if you want to have success start explaining your stuff instead of just calling person A scum because at this point I don't think you're going to get me lynched anytime soon by just saying I hardclaim scum. Why am I scum? Make a case on me say I'm scum for reason A B C get yourself in the game. You say you haven't read anything well why don't you iso me and case me and give it a shot.
Pedit: Fakehowyou can't just say something is fake without reason that's useless shadeI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I don't think I have one set playstyle? So I don't think I have an answer to your question. I guess the closest thing to playing dif is trying to be a leader and maybe obv town? I don't normally do that I guess? But I don't think that'd effect your read on me. I want you to get into this game and you can start by casing meIn post 927, Kokichi Oma wrote:Are you intentionally trying to play differently this game Maria? Be honest.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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incase you missed itIn post 926, MariaR wrote:Anyway moving on Muffin can I ask what your overall stances on the game are I noticed you had a lot of post but I can't remember reading a lot of them.@zmuffinmanI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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In post 324, Staeg wrote:Kuribo's recent push on Dunn feels entirely ill-founded and I don't particularly like you either, MuffinsIn post 338, Staeg wrote:
Yeah that's fair - it did seem like more random words that don't mean much of anything rather than actual interaction to me. Is there any point in elaborating?In post 334, kuribo wrote:In post 332, Staeg wrote:
I'm not sure what type of response is possible to it, though? Other naked votes have happened which would have just-as-good defenses as this one, and it feelsIn post 331, kuribo wrote:
Don't you start, if he doesn't wanna be called out for naked voting he shouldn't naked voteIn post 324, Staeg wrote:Kuribo's recent push on Dunn feels entirely ill-founded and I don't particularly like you either, Muffinsveryweird that you'd stick to the objection
I was asked about him, that's the difference. He responded, which is also the difference.
I don't know why it surprised you or strikes you as weird that I'd engage people who interact with me.
Nah, it's just the first one that spiraled into a series of somethings.In post 335, kuribo wrote:And frankly it's disingenuous for you to act like that's even the first naked vote in this game I've had a problem with or called out.In post 636, Staeg wrote:Kurbio, the push seemed off because at every step you raised an objection that differed significantly from anything I might have responded. There was a groove to it that didn't fit my reading of the game, even if none of it was technically wrong.
My original interpretation of Dunn's Kokichi vote and unvote was not fencesitty at all, mostly because I had a similar impression that there was a clear improvement, but I appear to have misassigned someone's post to Kokichi, since 156 is the only intermediate post and it's not a very good one. My previous frame pointed at Dunn making a reasonable transition that didn't merit much explanation (which made me confused about why Kuribo would jump on it), and this new one just feels like he got distracted and didn't pay attention, then tried to reverse-engineer the reasoning later.
Responding to "why is bad?" with "no why is it good?" was similarly jarring - your further response was the next intuitive step, and your dance felt like it had an added 2.5 step between the 2-beat and the 3-beat and was thus off.
I projected the off-ness of the dance onto Dunn at the time, and felt like he understandably couldn't quite catch your pitch. I now appear to think he's scum, oops, more on that in a bit.
You then asserted disenginuity on my part and assumed that the faultline I perceived was regarding the naked vote, not regarding your approach specifically, which, blech, is fair in retrospect, but did not at all read like a reasonable interpretation of my posts at the time.
All this resulted in me feeling like you're not reading between the lines, or that your eyes perceive much different words written there. The "series of somethings" was a not-entirely-sober way of saying that you're talking past each other, and that you're also talking past me regarding a misplaced understanding of my points of disapproval.In post 861, Staeg wrote:
This entire debacle on behalf of DGB feels very inconsistent with my model of how emotionally intelligent she isandof what some people - kuribo, mostly - are saying in regards to their reasoning (ie directly contradicting the claim that this is emotion-based and pointing at actual content), to the extent that I'd call it a scumpost.
In post 593, AnonymousGhost wrote:I admit I haven't been keeping track of what LLD has been doing besides that post that DGB dissected.
@LLD- What are your reads on the players that you mentioned in 163 i.e. Maria, Kuribo, Katsuki/Camn hydra, Staeg, and Esp?
This feels artificial. Mechanical, to an even greater extent than the rest of your assorted Q&A sessions.
Along with misassigning some posts to various players and thus no longer feeling like your first moves in the game were that great, this is a signal beacon. I don't see a way for you to come to this conclusion and then continue pushing the angle in light of everything that happensand after being warned of thunderstrike territory. You have an already written bottom line and are trying to rationalize your way to it, which is exceedingly more likely to come from a scum perspective.
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Did you get around to answering the thing where if I'm aware of having such a meta it might be somewhat invalidated?
(it isn't, since I'm godawful at faking my town mindset as scum, but that's me saying that)
Along with some early game posting that I just outright disagreed with (calling certain posts towny when they were NAI/weren't with no reasoning) he goes from a stance defending dunn (the top few posts) to outright voting Dunn and calling him scum his tone feels like it changes too. It feels super strange and like scum trying to add fuel to the Dunnstral wagon.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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He also scumreads ghost for having "artificial and mech" posts and I don't get that stance on AG at all? Does anyone else feel the same am I missing something here? Don't think soIn post 863, Staeg wrote:
I'm still down to rope you since ancient times, and I don't think anyone's going to go and interpret what I said as anything other than negative valence.In post 862, AnonymousGhost wrote:Unless my "artificial-ness" and "mechanicalism" relates to your read on my alignment, you're not doing anything beyond talking to talk.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Are you suggesting because his reads are weird he's town? I don't really get what you're sayingIn post 950, Dunnstral wrote:
yeah but do you think scum are trying to lynch anonymous ghost right now? I think he might just have weird readsIn post 946, MariaR wrote:
He also scumreads ghost for having "artificial and mech" posts and I don't get that stance on AG at all? Does anyone else feel the same am I missing something here? Don't think soIn post 863, Staeg wrote:
I'm still down to rope you since ancient times, and I don't think anyone's going to go and interpret what I said as anything other than negative valence.In post 862, AnonymousGhost wrote:Unless my "artificial-ness" and "mechanicalism" relates to your read on my alignment, you're not doing anything beyond talking to talk.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Being wrong on his read when you have no reasons behind it and he's just doing it to look busy is my issue with the post. Being wrong isn't scummy by itself.In post 957, Dunnstral wrote:
I meant it more like just because you disagree with his read, doesn't mean he's scum? He might just be omgusing? IDkIn post 954, MariaR wrote:
Are you suggesting because his reads are weird he's town? I don't really get what you're sayingIn post 950, Dunnstral wrote:
yeah but do you think scum are trying to lynch anonymous ghost right now? I think he might just have weird readsIn post 946, MariaR wrote:
He also scumreads ghost for having "artificial and mech" posts and I don't get that stance on AG at all? Does anyone else feel the same am I missing something here? Don't think soIn post 863, Staeg wrote:
I'm still down to rope you since ancient times, and I don't think anyone's going to go and interpret what I said as anything other than negative valence.In post 862, AnonymousGhost wrote:Unless my "artificial-ness" and "mechanicalism" relates to your read on my alignment, you're not doing anything beyond talking to talk.
I think you should know by now I don't really have a set town and scum game like others do it's I do so well as scum because I'm able to use what people call my "town meta"do I have a few things I do as town or scum more than the other? Of course, but I don't think I have a set play as town and I'd think you know thisIn post 969, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Than how she plays as town. She doesn't make those posts as town. Which is why I askedIn post 953, thepixiecollective wrote:
differently from what?In post 927, Kokichi Oma wrote:Are you intentionally trying to play differently this game Maria? Be honest.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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/boops/In post 887, MariaR wrote:I'll bop ghost on the noggin for yeI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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At this point 90% scum dunn has a certain style of play and way he goes at a game and the way he's not really caring what spotlight or push he puts on himself is town town town. I can't give you the full meta case because that would just out every tell I have for him and it's moot but my confidence in strong hereIn post 1141, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:As for today's lynch, we're not lynching claimed Masons.
Maria, you said Dunn is town. What percentage is that? Give me a number. And maybe some words on why?
I think we're supposed to lynch AG today, their posting still looks like scumI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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guess you're just not a good person than.
Pedit: Lying isn't manipulation isn't stating a fact. You going "I'm gonna whine and yell at you all if you don't give me what I want is trying to use emotional manipulation. Or acting like a child take your pick
Pedit2: I'm not guilting anyone into doing stuff I'm just saying Kuro is trying to make a game unfun to get his way are you gonna tell me I'm wrong?I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I'm in the same spot as you.
I rather cam get lynched but if fey reaches l-2 /l-1 I'll vote itI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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