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Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:32 am

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VOTE: thepixiecollective
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Post Post #8 (isolation #1) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:29 am

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In post 7, kuribo wrote:Which one of y'all wants to party in harmony with me tonight?

DGB, Katsuki, Nacho, Staeg get first dibs
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Post Post #105 (isolation #2) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:01 pm

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VOTE: Kokichi Oma
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Post Post #125 (isolation #3) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:55 pm

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In post 123, MariaR wrote:As someone who knows the player better than you. You're looking way too much into it
But you said it leaned on the scummy side
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Post Post #136 (isolation #4) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:17 pm

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In post 125, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 123, MariaR wrote:As someone who knows the player better than you. You're looking way too much into it
But you said it leaned on the scummy side
Or am I reading that wrong
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Post Post #140 (isolation #5) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:30 pm

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In post 139, zMuffinMan wrote:don't think that kokichi post is anywhere near as bad as some people are suggesting it is

You can say kuribo
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Post Post #144 (isolation #6) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:35 pm

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yikes
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Post Post #147 (isolation #7) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:57 pm

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ok, direct that at zmuffinman because they're the one who said it, they just hid it behind "some people"
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Post Post #166 (isolation #8) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:54 am

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In post 163, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:1) Call me town
2) Call my reasoning for voting Espy bad
3) Vote espy yourself

there's a disconnect there somewhere I just don't.... get it.
no there isn't, you can be town and bad and there can be a different good reason for voting espe, this all checks out to me
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Post Post #167 (isolation #9) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:59 am

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VOTE: anonymous ghost
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Post Post #184 (isolation #10) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:14 pm

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In post 171, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 169, MariaR wrote:
In post 165, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Dunnstral feels weird.

Maria, what alignment is Dunnstral?
Give me a few more pages and you'll get an answer he's meh to me atm. Don't mind if you vote him
I was "meh" on him before and his stepping in the path of my Feysal focus has soured me even more on him, tbh.

Regardless of Feysal's alignment, tbh.
You're tripping over your own feet with your Feysal focus
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Post Post #217 (isolation #11) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:19 pm

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In post 215, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 184, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 171, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 169, MariaR wrote:
In post 165, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Dunnstral feels weird.

Maria, what alignment is Dunnstral?
Give me a few more pages and you'll get an answer he's meh to me atm. Don't mind if you vote him
I was "meh" on him before and his stepping in the path of my Feysal focus has soured me even more on him, tbh.

Regardless of Feysal's alignment, tbh.
You're tripping over your own feet with your Feysal focus
how so
The reason for pushing them she had wasn't correct from the start - she said that feysal couldn't think she was town, while not believing her reasoning, while also scumreading the same person for a different reason
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Post Post #248 (isolation #12) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:55 pm

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In post 223, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 217, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 215, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 184, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 171, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 169, MariaR wrote:
In post 165, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Dunnstral feels weird.

Maria, what alignment is Dunnstral?
Give me a few more pages and you'll get an answer he's meh to me atm. Don't mind if you vote him
I was "meh" on him before and his stepping in the path of my Feysal focus has soured me even more on him, tbh.

Regardless of Feysal's alignment, tbh.
You're tripping over your own feet with your Feysal focus
how so
The reason for pushing them she had wasn't correct from the start - she said that feysal couldn't think she was town, while not believing her reasoning, while also scumreading the same person for a different reason
yeah it was. it was cog-dis. lld correctly called it.
It's not cog-dis and muffin explains why later in the thread
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Post Post #253 (isolation #13) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:59 pm

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I'm doing you a favor by not responding to you
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Post Post #255 (isolation #14) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:00 pm

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In post 247, zMuffinMan wrote:side note, i don't believe that kokichi doesn't have his role. i don't think him lying about that makes him scum, though
My interpretation is that he has no clue what his role does
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Post Post #262 (isolation #15) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:10 pm

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No, because I said something then muffin expanded on it and said it in a way better than I did, I don't need to say the same thing he said in my own words but feysal can 100% have that opinion as town, wheras the argument is that no he basically can't
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Post Post #263 (isolation #16) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:10 pm

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In post 261, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 253, Dunnstral wrote:I'm doing you a favor by not responding to you
who are you talking to here?
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Post Post #273 (isolation #17) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:21 pm

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In post 272, AnonymousGhost wrote:169 - This could be significant in late game if either of Maria or Dunn flips scum (early distancing), but ATM it's NAI for the both of them.
It's not significant because she was specifically asked for the read
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Post Post #279 (isolation #18) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:28 pm

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In post 277, AnonymousGhost wrote:
In post 273, Dunnstral wrote:It's not significant because she was specifically asked for the read
The 'she' is not referring to Maria, is it? I don't think it is? Didn't LLD ask her about your alignment?
Maria was asked by lld for a read on me, yes. The she does refer to Maria - You're suggesting it could be distancing, but I don't see how since she was prompted for that read from someone else
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Post Post #289 (isolation #19) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:52 pm

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I like AnonymousGhost posting. Nic change of pace from the rest of the playerlist. Oh, they also look towny.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #20) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:00 pm

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In post 290, AnonymousGhost wrote:Says the peep who's voting for me. ;3
In post 291, AnonymousGhost wrote:Unless you are sarcastic.
UNVOTE: AnonymousGhost
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Post Post #299 (isolation #21) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:04 pm

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In post 292, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 258, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'm gonna go fucking cry I hate this
HEARTSTRINGS: UNPULLED
This looks more like you're picking a fight than game content, but maybe that's just me
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Post Post #307 (isolation #22) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:35 pm

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In post 304, thepixiecollective wrote:dunnstral is using muffina to validate the argument that what feysal said was not cog-dis. or something. I am kind of confused how they all wound up at the same place tho.
The rest of us are all in the same place because we all got the right answer

You should be more concerned with yourself being the only person seeing what you're seeing - it's because you're wrong and it's harder to replicate that thought process
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Post Post #312 (isolation #23) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:14 pm

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What am I fence sitting on?
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Post Post #314 (isolation #24) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:20 pm

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In post 313, kuribo wrote:You also hopped right on that totes adorbs Kokicha wagon once it was socially acceptable
That's not what I remember happening
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Post Post #316 (isolation #25) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:27 pm

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I didn't say I had impeccable logic in explaining my vote, I said I didn't remember joining the kokichi wagon once it became "socially acceptable". That's what you said too, by the way, but we can talk about this instead if you'd like? Why is 105 a bad post?
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Post Post #318 (isolation #26) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:38 pm

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In post 317, kuribo wrote:
In post 316, Dunnstral wrote:I didn't say I had impeccable logic in explaining my vote, I said I didn't remember joining the kokichi wagon once it became "socially acceptable". That's what you said too, by the way, but we can talk about this instead if you'd like? Why is 105 a bad post?

the real question is, why is it a good post?
Kuribo, in post you asserted the following:
In post 313, kuribo wrote:You also hopped right on that totes adorbs Kokicha wagon once it was socially acceptable
Can you show me how I did this, and why it is alignment indicative?
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Post Post #322 (isolation #27) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:14 pm

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In post 320, kuribo wrote:Somifnits such a good post that you're willing to engage me to defend it, it's your turn now to explain why you think that vote was so good, especially as it was delivered without comment
I agreed with dgb on Kokichi and thought I'd help start a wagon there. Didn't see anybody else I'd vote at that time
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Post Post #352 (isolation #28) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:19 am

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In post 331, kuribo wrote:if he doesn't wanna be called out for naked voting he shouldn't naked vote
I wasn't called out for naked voting, You said something else, I asked for clarification, then you resorted to naked voting as your defense instead of expanding on what was already asked. Look guys, he
naked voted
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Post Post #353 (isolation #29) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:20 am

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In post 350, kuribo wrote:
In post 348, thepixiecollective wrote:I am so confused with these last 2 posts

I softed the name of the town faction before Fate posted the sample PM.


I've also softed my role. Daddy eats first.
Are you saying mafia don't have fake claims, or are you being intentionally obtuse
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Post Post #357 (isolation #30) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:26 am

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In post 354, kuribo wrote:
In post 353, Dunnstral wrote:Are you saying mafia don't have fake claims, or are you being intentionally obtuse

are you saying they do?
viewtopic.php?p=8665836#p8665836
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Post Post #360 (isolation #31) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:31 am

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In post 359, kuribo wrote:
In post 357, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 354, kuribo wrote:
In post 353, Dunnstral wrote:Are you saying mafia don't have fake claims, or are you being intentionally obtuse

are you saying they do?
viewtopic.php?p=8665836#p8665836

that sample PM wasn't in the OP until Fate posted it just now, try again
That doesn't mean anything, mod provides fake flavors, allows for full roles including win conditions if asked in pre-game
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Post Post #362 (isolation #32) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:35 am

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intentionally obtuse it is
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Post Post #366 (isolation #33) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:40 am

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I didn't make you do anything, you chose to be this way
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Post Post #370 (isolation #34) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:46 am

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In post 368, kuribo wrote:
I've spent the past year bettering my life, sleeping on the beach, getting into a good place, and as a result, I am a much happier person. This gels well with the fact that I really don't feel like getting suspended from the site again for telling people they have sex with farm animals.


But if you think for one damn second I'm gonna sit here and let someone call me intentionally stupid, you're in for a rude awakening
Cool, and I'm here to play mafia
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Post Post #377 (isolation #35) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:49 am

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In post 375, kuribo wrote:why did Fate feel the need to post a sample PM in the OP?
I don't know, ask Fate. Maybe he is contractually obliged by the list mod to conform to normal guidelines. Maybe somebody complained about the sample pm missing. Maybe he just realized it was missing and decided to add it as an afterthought. Maybe somebody has a role to add sample role pms to the rules.
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Post Post #378 (isolation #36) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:50 am

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In post 375, kuribo wrote:presumably anyone who needs a fakeclaim knows the information in it already (having already received their fakeclaim)
I still believe a sample pm would be posted after the fact even if scum had fake claims beforehand and knew
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Post Post #380 (isolation #37) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:52 am

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I stand by what I said
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Post Post #383 (isolation #38) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:58 am

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Right, before it was public in the main thread. Mafia could have asked for a fake claim in pre-game, or even slightly after the game opened, with this in mind
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Post Post #385 (isolation #39) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:08 am

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Vote you for what
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Post Post #387 (isolation #40) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:19 am

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In post 386, kuribo wrote:So you'd rather throw shade and not back up your shade?
Yeah, I'm just laying out possibilities
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Post Post #388 (isolation #41) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:22 am

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The alternative is letting people falsely assume you're confirmed town and potentially paying for it down the line if I die
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Post Post #392 (isolation #42) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:31 am

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I didn't say I thought I'd die before you. I saw your claim, I don't think it necessarily means anything for your alignment
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Post Post #394 (isolation #43) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:34 am

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It's not wishy washy, I really never said that. I do think I'll die before you but that wasn't the point either
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Post Post #405 (isolation #44) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:23 am

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Still doing you a favor
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Post Post #408 (isolation #45) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:28 am

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okay
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Post Post #444 (isolation #46) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:50 am

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In post 412, Fate wrote:Everything has always been known. Sample pm added to officially complete my setup ritual and the opening posts

Remember FATE games dont get broken

They break you.

Enjoy
What makes sense is that yes, mafia had a way to know about the name of town before it was posted as a sample pm. Kuribo loses points for trying to act like they were confirmed town up until th epoint the mod came in thread and confirmed they weren't
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Post Post #448 (isolation #47) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:13 pm

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For the entire game that he apparently hasn't read
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Post Post #453 (isolation #48) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:37 pm

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In post 410, Fate wrote:Dont make me break out my modkill stick as I read this thread

Fucks know better
In post 412, Fate wrote:Everything has always been known. Sample pm added to officially complete my setup ritual and the opening posts

Remember FATE games dont get broken

They break you.

Enjoy
How do you interpret this series of posts, Nacho?

I interpret it as the modkill comment aimed at Kuribo for talking about mafia not knowing about harmony, and then fate confirming that they did know about harmony from the start
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Post Post #455 (isolation #49) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:41 pm

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In post 451, Nachomamma8 wrote:1) do you have an opinion on kuribo outside or the harmony stuff and 2) are you really willing to die on this hill? because it looks like you're in the process of dying on this hill.
Lots of bravado but I'm not interested in voting there

I take trouble at LLD acting like she's sheeping MariaR here when they're blatantly not in the thread and were unsure of their read

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Post Post #456 (isolation #50) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:43 pm

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Wait no, I know for sure that no new information was added with the arrival of the sample pm since I asked about it
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Post Post #555 (isolation #51) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:31 pm

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In post 536, AnonymousGhost wrote:
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- It hasn't occurred to me up until now, but what is your read on Kuribo?
Well I did say I wouldn't vote there today, not a townread for me though
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Post Post #561 (isolation #52) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:05 pm

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VOTE: camntsuki
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Post Post #562 (isolation #53) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:07 pm

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In post 457, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'm not sheeping Maria, you take that back.

I'm respecting Maria's ability to read you, if she suddenly strongly feels one way I'm going to heavily consider it because I have Maria as town.

As of right now, Maria has said nothing but "eh" towards you, and my read on you is scummy, so I'm voting you.

Don't get it twisted, don't represent it another way.
ok, let's go about this anothe rway then, why do you have maria as town enough to sheep from her limited posting so far?
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Post Post #605 (isolation #54) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:57 am

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In post 600, MariaR wrote:
In post 562, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 457, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'm not sheeping Maria, you take that back.

I'm respecting Maria's ability to read you, if she suddenly strongly feels one way I'm going to heavily consider it because I have Maria as town.

As of right now, Maria has said nothing but "eh" towards you, and my read on you is scummy, so I'm voting you.

Don't get it twisted, don't represent it another way.
ok, let's go about this anothe rway then, why do you have maria as town enough to sheep from her limited posting so far?
Why are you never asking me anything? It seems like you feel people shouldn't be able to have a read on me from the posts I've made so far. If that's the case ask me something. Otherwise you're just uselessly shading
Half your posts are you saying you'll catch up later, the other half is your reads with no reasoning behind them. Nobody should have you as town right now until you engage some more. You've pushed this "Dunn doesn't talk to me" angle as scum before when I was town so I'm not sure why you're going at it again, I don't have anything to ask you other than what your reads are. Also, you should be townreading me
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Post Post #607 (isolation #55) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:58 am

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@DBZ Anonymous Ghost seems pretty town and solvey to me
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Post Post #610 (isolation #56) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:09 am

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In post 608, MariaR wrote:You're right I've pushed it as scum what's your point? That I can't do that as town?
You pushed it as scum and you knew it wasn't true

I don't get how you can then push it as town when it wasn't a thing
In post 608, MariaR wrote:People would listen to your read on me so the fact you're holding on to that until just now.
1) No they really wouldn't

2) I have you as null so I don't need people to 'listen to my read on you'
In post 608, MariaR wrote:You should be questioning the people townreading me or questioning me because from what it seems I'm pretty widely tr me so maybe you're the one who doesn't get it.
I don't see you as pretty widely tr, most people don't have a read on you if I recall. You're putting way too much emphasis on yourself here, you haven't done anything of note and you're in the corner of the game, so no I shouldn't be questioning people about their read on you
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Post Post #611 (isolation #57) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:11 am

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In post 608, MariaR wrote:It's I'm not understanding the shade or why I had to prod you for you to say "You shouldn't have maria as town."
You never prodded me though, and I wasn't throwing shade, you should be weirded out if I had you as town for some reason here
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Post Post #616 (isolation #58) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:47 pm

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In post 614, MariaR wrote:Yeah Dunn's town.
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Post Post #619 (isolation #59) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:38 pm

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In post 618, Feysal wrote:But as scum, why would he bother, when the whole point of the crumb is that he should not know what the town is called, and he does? Him doing that as scum would practically require cognitive dissonance.
He was selling the idea that scum didn't know this knowledge, and everyone else was either lapping it up or too disconnected from the game to do anything about it. If he's scum he's trying to make himself look like town, that's a motivation
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Post Post #627 (isolation #60) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:18 pm

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Hey MariaR, who would you vote right now? Is Camntsuki a reasonable vote? We can start something there?
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Post Post #668 (isolation #61) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:03 am

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How do you guys feel about camntsuki? @AnonymousGhost/MariaR
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Post Post #698 (isolation #62) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:56 pm

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^Denied. You've used gut to try to explain your scumread on me all game and I'll fight you about that. Your 1 point you levied against me all game got countered so hard by multiple people that you never mentioned it again in your scumread on me. Try again for reasons why AG is scum or prove you're not being a massive hypocrite right now. And yes, I get that you're a hydra
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Post Post #719 (isolation #63) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:19 pm

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In post 701, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 698, Dunnstral wrote:^Denied. You've used gut to try to explain your scumread on me all game and I'll fight you about that. Your 1 point you levied against me all game got countered so hard by multiple people that you never mentioned it again in your scumread on me. Try again for reasons why AG is scum or prove you're not being a massive hypocrite right now. And yes, I get that you're a hydra
my read on you isn't based on gut and I never said it was I don't think. it is based on your interaction with specific players and how little scumhunting you are actually doing.

soyeah, your denial has been denied.
I'll say it again, your 1 point got countered. Hard. And then you never referenced it again, just went with the flow and voted me.

I'm not even calling you scum right now, just don't be a hypocrite.
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In post 706, Feysal wrote:Fate confirmed later that the name of the town was known to the scum,

Never Fucking mind that if I had known that scum already knew, I wouldn't have fucking bothered crumbing it or mentioning it in the first damn place
Self meta like this ("I wouldn't do this as scum"). Doesn't really hold any weight. I explained why you would have motivations to do this as scum already, yes I can see that you could do it as town too.
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Post Post #721 (isolation #64) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:25 pm

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I already explained that as scum, you push that you're clear from that and that mafia wouldn't have known the town faction name, and ride that to a win. There's a clear motive there, saying you wouldn't jump on that - that's not "common sense", it's self meta.
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Post Post #723 (isolation #65) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:27 pm

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Whatever, nothing useful is going to come from talking to you. This games going all the way to deadline, I'll wait to see where you and the rest of your squad move their votes
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Post Post #726 (isolation #66) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:30 pm

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The game would certainly be the better for it
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Post Post #731 (isolation #67) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:37 pm

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Claiming won't give you leverage

If your 1v1 includes explaining why you think I'm scum then by all means, go for it. I'm not going to do anything special though
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Post Post #732 (isolation #68) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:39 pm

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In post 681, AnonymousGhost wrote:Anyway... camntsuki... I'm not going to pretend that I'm following their posts. I'd rather lynch in my lynch pool than begin to lynch outside of it.

VOTE: Steag
In post 682, MariaR wrote:ty for joining the best wagon ghost.
Can you two talk to me about why Staeg and why not listen to Nacho's meta tr on them?

And I want nacho to talk more about their read on staeg and if it's ch anged
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Post Post #735 (isolation #69) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:40 pm

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Isn't helping what?
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Post Post #741 (isolation #70) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:54 pm

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In post 260, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 248, Dunnstral wrote: yeah it was. it was cog-dis. lld correctly called it.
It's not cog-dis and muffin explains why later in the thread
just because muffina said its true doesn't mean it actually is.

it really is interesting to note that in your mind that he agreed with you makes it have value rather than what insight into muffina's alignment you gleaned from the exchange.

it seems like if you were town you wld actually be spending more time trying to figure out what muffina agreeing with you means, rather than trying to use it as a platform to validate your own position that it doesn't make feysal scummy in the first place.

does anybody else see where I am going with this?[/quote]
In post 262, Dunnstral wrote:No, because I said something then muffin expanded on it and said it in a way better than I did, I don't need to say the same thing he said in my own words but feysal can 100% have that opinion as town, wheras the argument is that no he basically can't
In post 265, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 260, thepixiecollective wrote:does anybody else see where I am going with this?
you're reading something that isn't there

ill be sitting over here until you figure out im town

also, the following is a blatant lie:
In post 260, thepixiecollective wrote:just because muffina said its true doesn't mean it actually is.
I respond, one person is in clear disagreement, 4 or so players completely ignore you, AnonymousGhost has no idea what you're talking about
In post 300, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 284, AnonymousGhost wrote:Off topic but I wonder where the word 'heartstrings' came from... huh...

oh! btw!
In post 260, thepixiecollective wrote:does anybody else see where I am going with this?
I'm lost. Could you explain please?
I don't even remember where I was going with this, it was a thought I had at the time.

are you reading the game through isos or are you reading consecutive posts in thread time?

cos that will totally effect how I read you. for realz.
Not even you know what you're talking about anymore
In post 304, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 284, AnonymousGhost wrote:Off topic but I wonder where the word 'heartstrings' came from... huh...

oh! btw!
In post 260, thepixiecollective wrote:does anybody else see where I am going with this?
I'm lost. Could you explain please?
so! I went back. and then lost it again.

but it has returned.

dunnstral is using muffina to validate the argument that what feysal said was not cog-dis. or something. I am kind of confused how they all wound up at the same place tho.

what do you think?
ok, you got it again
In post 307, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 304, thepixiecollective wrote:dunnstral is using muffina to validate the argument that what feysal said was not cog-dis. or something. I am kind of confused how they all wound up at the same place tho.
The rest of us are all in the same place because we all got the right answer

You should be more concerned with yourself being the only person seeing what you're seeing - it's because you're wrong and it's harder to replicate that thought process

I respond to you again. You've painted this picture of events that has happened that clearly hasn't, literally not one person has ever agreed with this point. Not even Kuribo, who has it out for me. He talked past you.
In post 397, thepixiecollective wrote:I want dunnstral in case anybody didn't notice
In post 434, thepixiecollective wrote:enough about fakeclaims

dunnstral is still alive
In post 475, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 452, Nachomamma8 wrote:DGB is another "pretty much lock town" read in this game; she doesn't have anywhere the same amount of bite whether scum or town and, while I can find that playing with scumpartners she likes can elevate her play, I don't think that it would be elevated to this level.

I understand where LLD's coming from this game (it's an extremely awkward and uncomfortable place to come from), but DGB's just being DGB at this point and there's no reason for continued interactions here - you're just making yourself angrier and this game will continue to grate and be unfun until you manage to let go/disconnect from that particular piece. I have no problems with her reads so far, like the Kuribo/Maria observation in particular.
I initially didn't understand it, but there was a similar and different dynamic with RC and Kuribo and believe that both Maria and Kuribo have the type of pride in their scumgames that can lead to an interaction like that.
I can't parse the bold at all. cld you unpack this for me?

is your muffina vote a srs vote? I hope it is a srs vote. but I wld like to lynch dunnstral first.
In post 498, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 476, Espeonage wrote:mollie, talk to me about why you have reads, but are prioritising them, especially when they are done in an order of leaving the better scum player alive longer.

Because the logic there is lost on me.
I am not sure what you are asking here? I have reads but they aren't in any particular order yet cos I am not fully done obtaining them. are you talking about me wanting to lynch dunns over muffina? its cos dunns is the stronger scumread. my townreads are...well, my townreads.
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In post 484, MariaR wrote:I have my Dunnstral read but I'll keep it to myself for now and see how others play on it cause I expect others to sheep my Dunn read once I say it.
you might want to lower your expectations there cos I for 1 am only going to listen to my own read. I have hydras with 5 players in this game, are you going to sheep my reads on all 5 of those players?
In post 512, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 509, MariaR wrote:
In post 502, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 484, MariaR wrote:I have my Dunnstral read but I'll keep it to myself for now and see how others play on it cause I expect others to sheep my Dunn read once I say it.
you might want to lower your expectations there cos I for 1 am only going to listen to my own read. I have hydras with 5 players in this game, are you going to sheep my reads on all 5 of those players?
I can read Dunnstral better than any player and that's not even a joke. I'm his bestie for over a year I think my case trumps yours but sure do as you wish it's up to you to believe me when I say it or not
I gotcha and we are about even in that respect

I will take it in consideration and ty for the intel. I think dunns looks scummy scummy scummy but you have something to counter that I am all ears cos I don't want to wind up in a needless deathtunnel.
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Readslists Are Fun
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Town


kuribo
ag
maria

Lean Town


lld
dgb
espy
feysal
cupcake

null


nacho
kokichi

Scumzorz


muffina
dunnes
staeg

likely wrong somewhere but this is where we are at.
In post 563, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 555, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 536, AnonymousGhost wrote:
@Dunn
- It hasn't occurred to me up until now, but what is your read on Kuribo?
Well I did say I wouldn't vote there today, not a townread for me though
Image

why is this thing still alive
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In post 576, zMuffinMan wrote:what did you think of nacho's entrance btw?

don't really like the staeg defense - i wouldn't classify anything staeg's posted as "snarky" but even if i squint and look at his posts sideways, i can't see what he's referring to. nacho's reasoning for voting me feels pretty weak. don't really like the fact he put a lot more effort into talking about things other than his primary scum read, especially since he should know it's going to take a lot more than that to actually get me lynched (i get that he's time-constrained but he had enough time to post the rest of what he posted so yeah)
I am not thrilled with nacho's posts. they seem very hollow and they lack the verve that I am used to seeing from him. however I had misread him often enough to give him more time and wait to see what else he comes up with.

what is your read on dunns? you said you were fine with lynching him but what is your actual read on him?
In post 582, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 580, zMuffinMan wrote:i didnt like his entrance; it felt flat and uninspired? something like that. actually a lot of his posting feels flat but i don't have as much of an issue with it as i did initially

i guess if you want an example of a small thing i'm talking about, i think the way he's handling LLD looks townish (i.e. i like that he's not trying to fan the flames between her and DGB). like i said, nothing special here
I don't see that as alignment indicative, anybody with a passing familiarity with lld and dgb (and me for that matter) knows how combustible the situ can get and any sane person wld want to prevent that. just cos he is sane doesn't make him town.

I have played against scum!dunns before and he is the type to just kind of sit back and let things play out and let town eat its own, which is what I see him doing here. I also don't believe that he doesn't read kuribo as town at this point.
OK, you have actual reasoning here. Ironically, it's pretty much a gut read. I don't remember this game where I've played against you and sat back and let town eat it's own - can you link it to back up your argument?


In post 613, thepixiecollective wrote:Phone posting, so plz forgive me for autocorrect mistakes.

@Maria - do you have Dunns as town or no cos I am confused
In post 617, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 614, MariaR wrote:Yeah Dunn's town.
I have srs doubts about this

can you sell it to me
In post 623, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 586, zMuffinMan wrote:your reads arent that far apart from mine outside of dunnstral/cupcamn
I wanted to get back to this post cos I tried to respond to this, this morning and I got cut off.

those are 2 big differences considering I think dunns is scum and that is who I am pushing.

who do you want lynched besides the cupcake? I can tell you rn you aren't going to get that lynch past dgb and kuribo. I have tried.
In post 639, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 631, camntsuki wrote:
In post 622, kuribo wrote:
In post 619, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 618, Feysal wrote:But as scum, why would he bother, when the whole point of the crumb is that he should not know what the town is called, and he does? Him doing that as scum would practically require cognitive dissonance.
He was selling the idea that scum didn't know this knowledge, and everyone else was either lapping it up or too disconnected from the game to do anything about it. If he's scum he's trying to make himself look like town, that's a motivation

How bout you put your vote where your mouth is and we see who gets roped first


Then after I string you, I'm coming for your buddies
THIS DUNNSTRAL WAGON RESISTANCE IS UNREAL
^^^
In post 642, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 641, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 639, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 631, camntsuki wrote:
In post 622, kuribo wrote:
In post 619, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 618, Feysal wrote:But as scum, why would he bother, when the whole point of the crumb is that he should not know what the town is called, and he does? Him doing that as scum would practically require cognitive dissonance.
He was selling the idea that scum didn't know this knowledge, and everyone else was either lapping it up or too disconnected from the game to do anything about it. If he's scum he's trying to make himself look like town, that's a motivation

How bout you put your vote where your mouth is and we see who gets roped first


Then after I string you, I'm coming for your buddies
THIS DUNNSTRAL WAGON RESISTANCE IS UNREAL
^^^
I don't fund Dunnstral scummy at all, but maybe the scum is bus'ing. They know things I don't.
:neutral:

if scum are bussing then why is town not helping them
Lots of empty pushing on me without anyone ever agreeing with your reasons to do so.
You never cared about your initial point past when you pushed it.
A literal gut read in the middle of it.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #71) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:54 pm

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First set of quotes are flip flopped or something
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Post Post #745 (isolation #72) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:56 pm

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In post 739, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 736, AnonymousGhost wrote:IMO what Staeg has done is shading.

This to me is what encapsulates Staeg's shading all game:
In post 636, Staeg wrote:I now appear to think he's scum, oops, more on that in a bit.
And yet... no vote.

I'm not listening to Nacho's meta TR for the same reason I'm not believing Maria's TR on you. I don't have a read on either of them (yet), so I have no reason to trust their reads on other people. Shitty reasoning, I know. Just because someone's a TR doesn't mean that their TRs are right, but meta reads have more validity cause... ya know... meta.
do you think that what you have done does not qualify as shading?
You don't win this game by trusting everybody and believing nobody can be the scum

"shading people" is part of the game
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Post Post #748 (isolation #73) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:01 pm

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I voted my scum read
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Post Post #759 (isolation #74) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:29 pm

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In post 751, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 741, Dunnstral wrote:OK, you have actual reasoning here. Ironically, it's pretty much a gut read. I don't remember this game where I've played against you and sat back and let town eat it's own - can you link it to back up your argument?
out of what you posted here, I think stands out the most.

it is surprising to me that you don't remember the scumgame that you won cos town ate itself alive with bbq sauce. if I wld have been scum and won I wld remember it to the end of time. it was a pretty vainglorious play.

its not a gut read.

and you still haven't explained by what you meant with your "yikes" post.
Yikes was before any of that stuff, directed at muffin's reads

No, I didn't remember. Some research tells me you are talking about Hunger Games Mafia.

First of all, this game was two years ago, so it's not really even fresh meta.
More importantly, I disagree with your memory of that game. I certainly didn't sit back during the game, town eating itself alive refers to you going after Bins all game? It's not like I sat back and coasted in the rest of the game though. I just don't think your assessment is fair
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Post Post #761 (isolation #75) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:30 pm

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In post 756, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 745, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 739, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 736, AnonymousGhost wrote:IMO what Staeg has done is shading.

This to me is what encapsulates Staeg's shading all game:
In post 636, Staeg wrote:I now appear to think he's scum, oops, more on that in a bit.
And yet... no vote.

I'm not listening to Nacho's meta TR for the same reason I'm not believing Maria's TR on you. I don't have a read on either of them (yet), so I have no reason to trust their reads on other people. Shitty reasoning, I know. Just because someone's a TR doesn't mean that their TRs are right, but meta reads have more validity cause... ya know... meta.
do you think that what you have done does not qualify as shading?
You don't win this game by trusting everybody and believing nobody can be the scum

"shading people" is part of the game
LIKE THIS

i DON'T THINK "NOBODY CAN BE SCUM", i THINK YOU ARE SCUM IT IS WHY i AM PUSHING YOUR LYNCH
Yeah, but if I were to instead push you I'd be shading you and clearly scum for it
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Post Post #762 (isolation #76) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:32 pm

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In post 706, Feysal wrote:There was also post 273 in reaction to AnonymousGhost, when she suspected possible early distancing between him and Maria. I think his argument there is flawed - it does not matter whether you were asked for a read, you can use the opportunity for distancing just fine - and I have to wonder why he even commented on that.
AnonymousGhost seems to agree with me in post
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Post Post #764 (isolation #77) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:34 pm

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In post 758, Feysal wrote:there are way too many experienced players in this game to let that happen, and Kuribo knows it.
All those experienced players lapped it up and then never commented on it or just called me scummy for pushing it
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Post Post #765 (isolation #78) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:36 pm

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In post 763, thepixiecollective wrote:the "yikes" post based off of muffina's reads is exactly why I think you are scum with him.
Really? That's like the most inconsequential thing. You saying I am worried is an assumption, I certainly never said that.
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Post Post #766 (isolation #79) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:38 pm

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Let's make one thing clear - camntsuki, lld, kuribo and the like. They're not experienced players, they're
old
players. I'd like to hear a reason as to why they're more likely to call Kuribo out than someone else - especially since they didn't actually call Kuribo out, but I did.

The only thing these players are experienced in is getting banned, and it shows.
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Post Post #768 (isolation #80) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:40 pm

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You don't win this game by trusting everybody and believing nobody can be the scum

"shading people" is part of the game

People other than yourself "shading people" is also part of the game
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Post Post #772 (isolation #81) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:43 pm

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In post 770, thepixiecollective wrote:you are being pushed for your lack of scumhunting.
Well, I don't think that's fair
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Post Post #773 (isolation #82) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:43 pm

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Muffin is leaning town
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Post Post #775 (isolation #83) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:45 pm

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In post 774, thepixiecollective wrote:what was the problem you had with muffina's reads?
I didn't think they were good reads. Yikes, those are bad reads. You get it?

I didn't make a big deal out of it because it wasn't a big deal, he didn't really explain them
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Post Post #777 (isolation #84) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:46 pm

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In post 774, thepixiecollective wrote:I still haven't disagreed with this.
ok

Other people have said I've been throwing shade, not you.

Still, it seems like you would then disagree with those people regarding me shading them, correct? Or is that not the case
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Post Post #779 (isolation #85) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:49 pm

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That's not true, I've asked mariar and ag for support. I don't think I'm going to get it, though, unless they have a sudden change in heart
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Post Post #781 (isolation #86) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:50 pm

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Can you explain to me how, if I'm scum, me allegedly not trying to lynch you is scummy? Especially with this wagon on me. Simplify it for me, please.
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Post Post #784 (isolation #87) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:53 pm

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Don't give me that. I want you to explain why It is scummy, because you are pushing it like it is a reason to vote for me. Unless.... you don't want to advance your scumread? No, say it isn't so camntsuki. Surely you can explain your reasoning here.
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Post Post #786 (isolation #88) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:57 pm

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In post 778, camntsuki wrote:
In post 748, Dunnstral wrote:I voted my scum read
AND HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY JACK SHIT IN ADVANCING IT INCLUDING A REAOSN FOR IT IN THE FIRST PLACE
In post 780, camntsuki wrote:
In post 755, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 744, camntsuki wrote:ADD WALL SPAM AS ANOTHER REASON WHY HE SHOULD BE ROPED
I AGREE. HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT EXCEPT SAY "YOU SAID GUT READ" AND POST MY ISO AS IF HE WAS ACTUALLY EVALUATING MY ALIGNMENT. INSTEAD HE WAS JUST TRYING TO PIGGYBACK ON DUNNS AND SAY THAT MY REASON FOR SCUMREADING HIM WAS BASED ON GUT.
HES MORE PREOCCUPIED WITH WASTING SPACE AND ARGUING WITH PEOPLE THAN FIGURING OUT READS OR LYNCHING HIS APPARENT SCUMREAD
You need to explain, in general, not necessarily related to me, how allegedly not pushing somebody else, in the wagon position that I'm in right now, indicates that I am scum. Because it's what you just said.
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Post Post #787 (isolation #89) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:01 pm

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He's more preoccupied with wasting space and arguing with people than figuring out reads or lynching his apparent scumread.
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Post Post #794 (isolation #90) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:26 pm

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In post 792, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 784, Dunnstral wrote:Don't give me that. I want you to explain why It is scummy, because you are pushing it like it is a reason to vote for me. Unless.... you don't want to advance your scumread? No, say it isn't so camntsuki. Surely you can explain your reasoning here.
because your vote on cupcake w/o you explaining it looks like you are just going along with a cupcake lynch and its not something you believe in

you look like scftwr instead of pushing a lynch that you actually believe in
I want camntsuki to explain why, in their own words.
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Post Post #795 (isolation #91) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:29 pm

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In post 791, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 772, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 770, thepixiecollective wrote:you are being pushed for your lack of scumhunting.
Well, I don't think that's fair
I think it is

dissuade me
There are a good amount of players with less scumhunting than I.

Espeonage, Kokichi, Camntsuki, arguably Nacho, arguably Kuribo

That's not to say they're scummy for it - just seems weird that I'm the one being pushed for it with everything else going on

Besides, I've done my fair share of scumhunting. You think just because my read on someone is null, that I haven't been doing any sorting? Null is where they belong, I don't need a conclusion day 1. I've been progressing the game.
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Post Post #796 (isolation #92) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:30 pm

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In post 790, Espeonage wrote:Normally I play at work between customers but how the actual fuck am I meant to do that with the thread like this. Like what the fuck guys.
How about you talk about your staeg vote - do you still feel comfortable there?
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Post Post #797 (isolation #93) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:31 pm

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Camntsuki is an
experienced player
, Pixie. I'm sure they can back up what they said on their own.
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Post Post #805 (isolation #94) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:51 pm

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In post 783, camntsuki wrote:
In post 781, Dunnstral wrote:Can you explain to me how, if I'm scum, me allegedly not trying to lynch you is scummy? Especially with this wagon on me. Simplify it for me, please.
BAD IS BAD WHO KNOWS
WE DONT TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF THE SUTPID
I don't consider this an explanation, Pixie. He even says "who knows" in there, as well as "we don't try to understand"
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Post Post #807 (isolation #95) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:56 pm

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I think AG is pretty obvious town, and their recent posting reinforces that. I think you're getting whooped by them in this argument you two have going too. I see where they're coming from when they explain how you/muffins can be scum together for coming to no conclusions, though don't really agree with it (like I can see it, but it doesn't have to be true). I don't really think you're mafia Pixie, you just have a different way of looking at things, which I believe gets you a lot of wrong conclusions
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Post Post #808 (isolation #96) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:59 pm

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In post 806, thepixiecollective wrote:sometimes repeating 1self gets old

you can only say "I think you are scum because you are not pushing the player you are voting" so many times.
If I'm mafia with 4 votes on me, why is "not pushing the player I am voting" scummy, in my position? That's what I'm asking Camntsuki. I don't want you to asnwer that. I want to see Camntsuki's thought process here.+
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Post Post #809 (isolation #97) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:01 pm

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In post 801, kuribo wrote:This is rich coming from a guy who refuses to vote me but still wants to paint me as scum


HOW THE FUCK AM I NOT SCUM HUNTING
I didn't say you were scum. I never did. You're dead null.

I never said you weren't scum hunting, you've admittedly pushed your 1 read all game. But mafia isn't a one on one kind of game, and in that respect I believe I have provided more than you have.
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Post Post #810 (isolation #98) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:04 pm

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Pixie, what do you think about Nacho? I have them leaning as town
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Post Post #812 (isolation #99) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:14 pm

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What is your other scumread?
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Post Post #815 (isolation #100) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:22 pm

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In post 813, thepixiecollective wrote:that said, "this person can explain this better than I can". how is saying "yikes" a ladder response?
Not sure where you're going with this, yikes is hundreds of posts before the other thing, not a response to it
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Post Post #821 (isolation #101) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:33 pm

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In post 816, thepixiecollective wrote:and if you think ag is "whooping" me then why do you not agree with it? I mean "whooping" implies that you think he has valid points against us which you are saying that he does not have.
AG isn't voting you, you're just one of many possibilities to them. I don't think you are a likely possibility. I didn't discredit you.

Me saying yikes isn't the big deal you're making it out to be either, you've latched onto something pretty random.
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Post Post #822 (isolation #102) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:34 pm

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In post 141, zMuffinMan wrote:currently want to lynch in these players, unless they start looking town:
{cupcake, dunnstral, cupcake, kokichi, cupcake,
feysal
, cupcake,
nacho
, cupcake}

maybe add cupcake to that list
Muffin said he'd lynch camntsuki, me, kokichi, feysal, nacho in post 141. I didn't agree with that list of early reads, so I said yikes. Case closed.
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Post Post #823 (isolation #103) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:35 pm

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In post 813, thepixiecollective wrote:that said, "this person can explain this better than I can"
This is talking about me hundreds of posts later from the second part of the sentance, you're confusing yourself
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Post Post #825 (isolation #104) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:40 pm

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I never changed what I said, you're confused again
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Post Post #826 (isolation #105) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:41 pm

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In post 144, Dunnstral wrote:yikes
In post 304, thepixiecollective wrote:dunnstral is using muffina to validate the argument that what feysal said was not cog-dis. or something.

These events
did not happen at the same time

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Post Post #827 (isolation #106) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:43 pm

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By the way:
In post 806, thepixiecollective wrote:sometimes repeating 1self gets old
In post 824, thepixiecollective wrote:and now you are blowing me off with "oh ahi I don't want to repeat myself" factor
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Post Post #832 (isolation #107) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:49 pm

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In post 327, Nachomamma8 wrote:I'll be here tomorrow.
If I'm not here tomorrow, I'll be replacing out, but I think I'll probably be fine.
This is nacho's first post in thread. it is post #327, it's after Muffin's reads.
In post 89, Kokichi Oma wrote:Well this game started quickly
Kokichi's only post at the time, the so called scum post. Regardless, Muffin said he would outright lynch him and threw him in a list with 4 others.
In post 152, Feysal wrote:I seem to have slept through the first few pages. Time to dig in.
In post 89, Kokichi Oma wrote:Well this game started quickly
Really? I don't know if the site has gotten less active over the last years, but I don't think this posting rate is in any way unusual.

Kuribo looks very town, and I don't think I even need to elaborate on that. Muffin also looks town.

I don't know what Cupcake could have done to deserve this flash wagon. Sure, I vaguely remember being frustrated by her lurking in past games, but not so much that I'd want to lynch her before she even posts once. What is up with that?

LLD may be town. I don't agree with her reasoning behind post , but I get it, and I think it comes from a town perspective. Espeonage seems rather brazen in the way he points at Staeg, and he is obviously aware of how that post would look but posted it anyway. I'm not reading that one way or the other.

There is however something else about Espeonage that does bother me. He points at Staeg... but does not vote. Instead he posts again to justify keeping his vote on Cupcake, as if by afterthought. Why? Cupcake had not yet posted.

Imagine if Cupcake actually is scum. What would her partners do? They would probably join the wagon to avoid suspicion on themselves, and they would probably not want to be the first to leave it. Espeonage fits this profile. Later, Cupcake votes Espeonage, only to jump on the new Oma wagon. I believe I've seen this dance before.

VOTE: Espeonage
Feysel's first post. it's after Muffin's reads list

And then there's my and camntsuki who had posted, and I didn't like his read on me.

That's why that reads list was garbage trash and why I said yikes - he was ready to lynch players he hadn't posted because he felt he had sufficiently townread everyone else in around 6 pages.
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Post Post #833 (isolation #108) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:51 pm

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In post 831, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 826, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 144, Dunnstral wrote:yikes
In post 304, thepixiecollective wrote:dunnstral is using muffina to validate the argument that what feysal said was not cog-dis. or something.

These events
did not happen at the same time

@Thepixieinitiative
except the 2 are mutually exclusive and given the time between the posts and what was said during that time it shld be evident?

I mean, what are you even trying to say here
They're literally two different things and you're merging them together in your mind and acting like they're related - they're not. They're not related in the slightest

Me saying yikes has absolutely nothing to do with me later talking about whatever else and you jumping on me for that
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Post Post #835 (isolation #109) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:51 pm

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In post 827, Dunnstral wrote:By the way:
In post 806, thepixiecollective wrote:sometimes repeating 1self gets old
In post 824, thepixiecollective wrote:and now you are blowing me off with "oh ahi I don't want to repeat myself" factor
What's up with this, pixie?

Is this not a contradiction?
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Post Post #842 (isolation #110) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:16 pm

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In post 141, zMuffinMan wrote:currently want to lynch in these players, unless they start looking town:
{cupcake, dunnstral, cupcake, kokichi, cupcake,
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nacho
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maybe add cupcake to that list
In post 142, zMuffinMan wrote:oh and staeg
These are his reads, that's where feysal came from. Just noticed staeg which is fine

Nacho and Feysal never even posted when he said he was ok to lynch in them "unless they start looking town". The implication here is that he reads all other players as town at this time.
In post 223, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 217, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 215, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 184, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 171, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 169, MariaR wrote:
In post 165, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Dunnstral feels weird.

Maria, what alignment is Dunnstral?
Give me a few more pages and you'll get an answer he's meh to me atm. Don't mind if you vote him
I was "meh" on him before and his stepping in the path of my Feysal focus has soured me even more on him, tbh.

Regardless of Feysal's alignment, tbh.
You're tripping over your own feet with your Feysal focus
how so
The reason for pushing them she had wasn't correct from the start - she said that feysal couldn't think she was town, while not believing her reasoning, while also scumreading the same person for a different reason
yeah it was. it was cog-dis. lld correctly called it.
In post 227, thepixiecollective wrote:here:

VOTE: dunnstral
Nope, you voted me right after this instead. Which is different. You only mentioned Yikes as something significant recently.

As to why I'm not scumreading muffin: this happened a long time ago and their newer content has me thinking they're town. My entire read isn't based off their hot air reads list
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Post Post #844 (isolation #111) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:20 pm

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In post 840, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 835, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 827, Dunnstral wrote:By the way:
In post 806, thepixiecollective wrote:sometimes repeating 1self gets old
In post 824, thepixiecollective wrote:and now you are blowing me off with "oh ahi I don't want to repeat myself" factor
What's up with this, pixie?

Is this not a contradiction?
I said it first and it is pretty weird that he uses it a cple of posts later, it looks like he is trying to simulate town and trying to use my own words against me in order to dodge what I am attempting to address with him.

while still calling me scum

that is the difference, so yeah no, not a contradiction
If they can use your own words against you, you don't have a good argument
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Post Post #846 (isolation #112) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:31 pm

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In post 840, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 835, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 827, Dunnstral wrote:By the way:
In post 806, thepixiecollective wrote:sometimes repeating 1self gets old
In post 824, thepixiecollective wrote:and now you are blowing me off with "oh ahi I don't want to repeat myself" factor
What's up with this, pixie?

Is this not a contradiction?
I said it first and it is pretty weird that he uses it a cple of posts later, it looks like he is trying to simulate town and trying to use my own words against me in order to dodge what I am attempting to address with him.

while still calling me scum

that is the difference, so yeah no, not a contradiction
it's a contradiction. You only stick with "sometimes repeating 1self gets old" when it benefits you - when someone you scumread uses it it's because they have a scum agenda.
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Post Post #848 (isolation #113) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:34 pm

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If your own words can be u sed against you, your argument wasn't good to begin with. It doesn't matter if it's scum or town doing it - if they catch you out then you need to rethink
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Post Post #850 (isolation #114) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:39 pm

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In post 849, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 848, Dunnstral wrote:If your own words can be u sed against you, your argument wasn't good to begin with. It doesn't matter if it's scum or town doing it - if they catch you out then you need to rethink
he didn't "catch" me out

stop applying these words that you are inserting cos you think it makes you look good and address I am saying cos so far you are not

all you are doing is deflecting and I am hoping that pple are not so headblind that they will not see it.
Not gonna repeat myself, it gets old.
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Post Post #853 (isolation #115) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:55 pm

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In post 470, Espeonage wrote:I promise I'll get engaged when a proper argument kicks off.
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Post Post #893 (isolation #116) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:35 pm

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Kuribo using the "I don't want to repeat myself" factor to try to dodge what others are attempting to address with him

Pixie, I'll get you your reads
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Post Post #899 (isolation #117) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:42 pm

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In post 869, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 850, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 849, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 848, Dunnstral wrote:If your own words can be u sed against you, your argument wasn't good to begin with. It doesn't matter if it's scum or town doing it - if they catch you out then you need to rethink
he didn't "catch" me out

stop applying these words that you are inserting cos you think it makes you look good and address I am saying cos so far you are not

all you are doing is deflecting and I am hoping that pple are not so headblind that they will not see it.
Not gonna repeat myself, it gets old.
look. you have already pissed kuribo off to the point of no return how about you not piss me off as well? cos this was a dick comment which does/solves/resolves nothing to further a town win con.

like srsly nothing. so stop it.

if you are town it wld be really cool if you worked with me instead of against me. I am seeing a spark of the same stubbornness that I saw in the very last game we played together. I took a year off of ms and played on other sites and mellowed cos I was playing games that were *gasp* fun.

if you are town then help me out. stop being so antagonistic and work with me here.

can you give me a readslist of all the players in the game? lets start there.

this is a reach out. if you are town plz for the love of god take it, there is way too much potential for game throwing here and it wld be lovely for town to win a fate game cos you know what? town never have. I knew this when signing up and I was really hoping for a scum role pm but we didn't get 1 and now I am stuck with a cple of players I am beginning to not like and who are probably town.

I wld like to have 1 small kernal of hope that we actually have a chance to win here. so plz. accept it.
Town never wins a fate game because it always attracts the old,
experienced
crowd. There, I said it.

If you want to work with me, the first step is to stop blaming me for what other people are doing in the game. Look, Kuribo is a jerk to everybody. Blaming me for other players poor form and performance doesn't make me want to work with others.

I'm going to give you all of my reads and I want you to ask questions about the ones you are interested in, they're roughly in order top to bottom as well

AnonymousGhost: Town
MariaR: Lean Town
Pixie: Lean Town
DGB: Lean Town
Nacho: Lean Town
Feysal: Lean Town
zMuffinMan: Lean Town
Staeg: Null
Kuribo: Null
LadyLambdadelta: Null
Kokichi: Lean Scum
Espeonage: Lean Scum
xCamntsuki: Scum
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Post Post #901 (isolation #118) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:44 pm

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In post 897, kuribo wrote:I spend all day at the fucking beach, have a nice chill day, I come back and your dumbfuck friend is asking me to LITERALLY REITERATE THINGS IVE SAID IN THR LAST SEVERAL FUXKING HOURS


AND YOURE STILL MISREPRESENTING EVERYTHING I SAID


IMMA DANCE ON YOUR FUCKING GRAVE YOU SCUM BITCH
Kuribo, stop harassing me and my friend.
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Post Post #904 (isolation #119) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:45 pm

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I'm not voting Staeg
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Post Post #908 (isolation #120) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:46 pm

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Yes staeg please elaborate on 861 because I don't understand what you're saying I did either
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Post Post #913 (isolation #121) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:50 pm

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In post 905, Kokichi Oma wrote:Lots of leaning you're doing dunn, dont fall over
And what are your reads?
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Post Post #923 (isolation #122) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:56 pm

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In post 919, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 913, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 905, Kokichi Oma wrote:Lots of leaning you're doing dunn, dont fall over
And what are your reads?
I haven't read anything. Pretty sure I've posted this already
So how can you call MariaR scum posting for her reads?
And make an attack on me having a lot of leans
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Post Post #936 (isolation #123) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:05 pm

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In post 914, thepixiecollective wrote:the bolded

where is your vote btw

it wld be really cool if we had a vc rn
My vote is on camntsuki

I have them as scum because all game they've been adding fuel to the fire from the sidelines

When I tried to engage them directly they weren't able to come up with something, disappeared, and then came back and started talking about something else

They are a hard lynch only because other people want to play with him (no clue why, he actively makes the game less enjoyable) and because he's scum and because 1/3 of the player list is harshly afk

Speaking of which, I've got nacho, feysal, espeonage, and kokichi as my full on lurkers, of those feysal and nacho lean town while espeonage and kokichi lean scum

Kokichi was null until just recently when he took a jab at Maria because from what I had seen he wasn't even reading the game and him calling out Maria was bad when he had no reads on the slots she was talking about. Then he took a weird jab at me too. Will wait and see if they get better

Espeonage looked really bad last night when he pointed to my 1 quote post and said it was a wall post so he couldn't read anything - activity excuses are scummy. And then he posts a few more times about the game speed, and when DGB tries to engage him he says he only has 30 minutes left and disappears - but he could have put some content forth if he really wanted to, he was just dodging the thread and he's been dodging the thread for a while, plus I didn't like his "I'll vote whoever it takes to get a lynch as fast as possible" - seemed like he was setting up to join the largest wagon for bogus reasons

Nacho and Feysal have good content so far but haven't posted much, I've got them as light town reads

Kuribo hasn't done anything alignment indicative - I don't read him flaming other people out as towny, I think he can do it as either alignment. It's gross though

LLD I feel hasn't done anything alignment indicative as well, need them to post more in the current state of the game, I don't read their early play as scummy ate, I just read it as ate. Not impressed with their play so far, though.

Staeg I was okay with and I remember Nacho said he was town too, I think him jumping on me here is a little gross but I don't even fully understand his reasoning, he can work with me or he can shoehorn himself as the lynch today but it's not my preferred lynch right now

Can talk more about camntsuki if/when needed
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Post Post #939 (isolation #124) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:08 pm

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In post 938, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 903, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 861, Staeg wrote:Along with misassigning some posts to various players and thus no longer feeling like your first moves in the game were that great
which posts are you referring to here?
In post 861, Staeg wrote:I don't see a way for you to come to this conclusion and then continue pushing the angle in light of everything that happens and after being warned of thunderstrike territory
i don't understand what this means or why you think it makes him scum

what everything that's happened?

what thunderstrike territory? (i assume this is referring to the wrath of kuriboTM, but why is that relevant?)
modkill is a godkill, you know the lingo

why are you misleading this?
ok, I don't think anything I was saying was in modkill territory. I think it was a warning towards kuribo for trying to confirm himself with that (which is usually against the rules).
How does that make me scum?

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Post Post #940 (isolation #125) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:09 pm

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And MariaR let's talk about staeg why are you scumreading them again
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Post Post #941 (isolation #126) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:09 pm

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In post 929, Kokichi Oma wrote:Oh dunn is being lynched that's why he was so hostile. Hahaha
I'm "hostile" because Kuribo has been antagonizing me all game
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Post Post #948 (isolation #127) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:21 pm

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In post 947, kuribo wrote:
In post 941, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 929, Kokichi Oma wrote:Oh dunn is being lynched that's why he was so hostile. Hahaha
I'm "hostile" because Kuribo has been antagonizing me all game

Antagonizing? I'm responding to your weak little snippy attacks


I'm done with you for today. You're dismissed. Best kill me tonight, my role only gets more powerful as the game goes on.


Vote: Staeg
Let's analyze this, me and staeg both have 4 votes, staeg is voting me, but I am not voting staeg.

Kuribo, switching his votes to staeg, makes it go to 5-3, while muffin also said he would vote there

At the same time, a camntsuki wagon was starting to gain listeners. a few people said they'd be willing to lynched there/didn't really townread them. Thoughts?
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Post Post #950 (isolation #128) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:23 pm

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In post 946, MariaR wrote:
In post 863, Staeg wrote:
In post 862, AnonymousGhost wrote:Unless my "artificial-ness" and "mechanicalism" relates to your read on my alignment, you're not doing anything beyond talking to talk.
I'm still down to rope you since ancient times, and I don't think anyone's going to go and interpret what I said as anything other than negative valence.
He also scumreads ghost for having "artificial and mech" posts and I don't get that stance on AG at all? Does anyone else feel the same am I missing something here? Don't think so
yeah but do you think scum are trying to lynch anonymous ghost right now? I think he might just have weird reads
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Post Post #952 (isolation #129) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:24 pm

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Would you rather I not talk about my reads?
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Post Post #955 (isolation #130) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:26 pm

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In post 949, thepixiecollective wrote:
In post 924, zMuffinMan wrote:pretty sure this is the current vc mollie

Dunnstral (4) - Kuribo, LLD, cupcamn, staeg
Staeg (4) - Espy, MariaR, God, Casper
God (1) - Nacho
Cupcamn (1) - Dunnstral
Espy (1) - DGB
Casper (1) - mollie
MariaR (1) - kokichi
ty!

so dunns is the hell wagon and staeg is the heaven. who on the staeg's wagon wld you be looking at for scum based on play plus vote placement?
questions like this don't seem like you're trying to work with me

How do you feel about camntsuki? and staeg wagon right now, and kuribo's vote there before being called out
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Post Post #957 (isolation #131) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:26 pm

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In post 954, MariaR wrote:
In post 950, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 946, MariaR wrote:
In post 863, Staeg wrote:
In post 862, AnonymousGhost wrote:Unless my "artificial-ness" and "mechanicalism" relates to your read on my alignment, you're not doing anything beyond talking to talk.
I'm still down to rope you since ancient times, and I don't think anyone's going to go and interpret what I said as anything other than negative valence.
He also scumreads ghost for having "artificial and mech" posts and I don't get that stance on AG at all? Does anyone else feel the same am I missing something here? Don't think so
yeah but do you think scum are trying to lynch anonymous ghost right now? I think he might just have weird reads
Are you suggesting because his reads are weird he's town? I don't really get what you're saying
I meant it more like just because you disagree with his read, doesn't mean he's scum? He might just be omgusing? IDk
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Post Post #958 (isolation #132) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:28 pm

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Having trouble believing that Kuribo can honestly believe that both me and staeg are scum together right now
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Post Post #962 (isolation #133) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:33 pm

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I mean they do though, Pixie? Lots of game solving and reads forming and prodding between the two of them, maybe feysal moreso
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Post Post #964 (isolation #134) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:35 pm

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In post 961, Feysal wrote:But if you're going to continue making posts like the above, I'm just not going to bother.
You can't be serious
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Post Post #965 (isolation #135) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:38 pm

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In post 961, Feysal wrote:And Cupcake is not being called out because Cupcake.
Can we not do this

Can we actually look at them
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Post Post #966 (isolation #136) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:40 pm

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In post 944, MariaR wrote:
In post 324, Staeg wrote:Kuribo's recent push on Dunn feels entirely ill-founded and I don't particularly like you either, Muffins
In post 338, Staeg wrote:
In post 334, kuribo wrote:
In post 332, Staeg wrote:
In post 331, kuribo wrote:
In post 324, Staeg wrote:Kuribo's recent push on Dunn feels entirely ill-founded and I don't particularly like you either, Muffins
Don't you start, if he doesn't wanna be called out for naked voting he shouldn't naked vote
I'm not sure what type of response is possible to it, though? Other naked votes have happened which would have just-as-good defenses as this one, and it feels
very
weird that you'd stick to the objection

I was asked about him, that's the difference. He responded, which is also the difference.

I don't know why it surprised you or strikes you as weird that I'd engage people who interact with me.
Yeah that's fair - it did seem like more random words that don't mean much of anything rather than actual interaction to me. Is there any point in elaborating?
In post 335, kuribo wrote:And frankly it's disingenuous for you to act like that's even the first naked vote in this game I've had a problem with or called out.
Nah, it's just the first one that spiraled into a series of somethings.
In post 636, Staeg wrote:Kurbio, the push seemed off because at every step you raised an objection that differed significantly from anything I might have responded. There was a groove to it that didn't fit my reading of the game, even if none of it was technically wrong.

My original interpretation of Dunn's Kokichi vote and unvote was not fencesitty at all, mostly because I had a similar impression that there was a clear improvement, but I appear to have misassigned someone's post to Kokichi, since 156 is the only intermediate post and it's not a very good one. My previous frame pointed at Dunn making a reasonable transition that didn't merit much explanation (which made me confused about why Kuribo would jump on it), and this new one just feels like he got distracted and didn't pay attention, then tried to reverse-engineer the reasoning later.

Responding to "why is further response was the next intuitive step, and your dance felt like it had an added 2.5 step between the 2-beat and the 3-beat and was thus off.

I projected the off-ness of the dance onto Dunn at the time, and felt like he understandably couldn't quite catch your pitch. I now appear to think he's scum, oops, more on that in a bit.


You then asserted disenginuity on my part and assumed that the faultline I perceived was regarding the naked vote, not regarding your approach specifically, which, blech, is fair in retrospect, but did not at all read like a reasonable interpretation of my posts at the time.

All this resulted in me feeling like you're not reading between the lines, or that your eyes perceive much different words written there. The "series of somethings" was a not-entirely-sober way of saying that you're talking past each other, and that you're also talking past me regarding a misplaced understanding of my points of disapproval.
In post 861, Staeg wrote:



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Post Post #983 (isolation #137) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:30 pm

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In post 979, AnonymousGhost wrote:
In post 958, Dunnstral wrote:Having trouble believing that Kuribo can honestly believe that both me and staeg are scum together right now
I'm not speaking for Kuribo but IIRC he's said that you're his top SR and Staeg's his second. He hasn't drawn a connection between the two of you AFAIK.
He has, implicitly:
In post 947, kuribo wrote:
In post 941, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 929, Kokichi Oma wrote:Oh dunn is being lynched that's why he was so hostile. Hahaha
I'm "hostile" because Kuribo has been antagonizing me all game

Antagonizing? I'm responding to your weak little snippy attacks


I'm done with you for today. You're dismissed. Best kill me tonight, my role only gets more powerful as the game goes on.


Vote: Staeg
I take this to mean that he thinks we are both scum
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Post Post #997 (isolation #138) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:41 pm

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My apologies, yeah you're a lurker who's contributed less to the thread than me
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Post Post #998 (isolation #139) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:20 am

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In post 990, camntsuki wrote:Oh and if muffins doesn't vote Dunnstral today he's probably scum.
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #140) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:13 pm

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Hey Muffin, I think camntsuki is a way better chance of hitting mafia than staeg is and would like to wagon that isntead. Staeg is bad but I'm more sure on Camntsuki

MariaR, you should join me

DGB, you should think about moving too

LLD, you owed me an unvote 500 posts ago. Give me your opinion on Camntsuki

AnonymousGhost, what do you think?

Pixie, you should abandon your "I like camntsuki because he's making fun of the mod" mentality or whatever you've got going on - I want to progress this game. Also, I don't think you're waiting on anything from me, I've given you my list and you took a look at it

Staeg, you haven't mentioned camntsuki all game. The reality is you can vote them and join this new wagon or you can be lynched yourself, I'd rather lynch scum than bad town but it's your call, but I'm not getting lynched over you and your push is gross.

Also note that camntsuki goes from trolling to trying to make a case - not sure if it's because there's like 5 people who are willing to go on him or because staeg wagon is picking up more steam than mine

Feysal/Nacho/Espeonage, thoughts on Camntsuki?

I step away from the game for a day and it completely stops progressing, half the content is kuribo/camntsuki whining about how I'm making the game toxic. Let's go people!
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #141) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:41 pm

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In post 1055, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1042, thepixiecollective wrote:I agree that dunns has done zero gamesolving for several pages now
My question is, is this a by-product of being under attack? You guys know him better than me.
I don't even think it's true, I've been solving, people just don't like my solutions.. I stopped posting for 1 day/1 page so i wasn't spamming the thread

Like if you go back and read my content I just explained a bunch of reads and gave a list of reads when asked and I'm trying to switch the lynch right now - what does solving look like?
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #142) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:43 pm

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In post 1056, AnonymousGhost wrote:On a more personal level related to Camntsuki is that logic poke into DGB's scum read on me in 1039. I can't remember if they've ever mentioned me before that and I want to know if that logic poke goes beyond a logic poke.
Just checked with a ctrl + f and their only mention of you before that was when they voted you, unless they referred to you in another way
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #143) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:45 pm

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In post 1052, kuribo wrote:I offered him a truce and he spit in my face so obviously he's not interested in peace
Not remotely true

I'd like you to stop attacking me, I was looking at your post from a game standpoint and your hop onto staeg did look suspect at the time, I talked about how Camntsuki was gaining traction and you joined the higher wagon you barely talked about
AnonymousGhost wrote: I'll go over their ISO again with "Casper" just in case.
Tried that too, they never called you that
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Post Post #1063 (isolation #144) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:54 pm

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Like DGB, do you really agree that I've "done zero gamesolving" if you take a quick look at my iso? Don't just believe what they're saying
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Post Post #1089 (isolation #145) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:48 am

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Would you vote camntsuki, Nacho?
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #146) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:33 am

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In post 1054, Dunnstral wrote:Hey Muffin, I think camntsuki is a way better chance of hitting mafia than staeg is and would like to wagon that isntead. Staeg is bad but I'm more sure on Camntsuki

MariaR, you should join me

DGB, you should think about moving too

LLD, you owed me an unvote 500 posts ago. Give me your opinion on Camntsuki

AnonymousGhost, what do you think?

Pixie, you should abandon your "I like camntsuki because he's making fun of the mod" mentality or whatever you've got going on - I want to progress this game. Also, I don't think you're waiting on anything from me, I've given you my list and you took a look at it

Staeg, you haven't mentioned camntsuki all game.
The reality is you can vote them and join this new wagon or you can be lynched yourself, I'd rather lynch scum than
bad town
but it's your call, but I'm not getting lynched over you
and your push is gross.

Also note that camntsuki goes from trolling to trying to make a case - not sure if it's because there's like 5 people who are willing to go on him or because staeg wagon is picking up more steam than mine

Feysal/Nacho/Espeonage, thoughts on Camntsuki?

I step away from the game for a day and it completely stops progressing, half the content is kuribo/camntsuki whining about how I'm making the game toxic. Let's go people!
okay, you all that I talked to earlier, most of you said you didn't want to lynch camntsuki over staeg, now that staeg is claiming mason, address me again on this. I'd like to see this go through

Nacho, any chance you would join this? Also, get Staeg off of me
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Post Post #1132 (isolation #147) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:36 am

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This staeg not having an alignment thing is a misunderstanding I'm pretty sure
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Post Post #1133 (isolation #148) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:47 am

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LLD I'm going to spend all of day 2 pushing you like I've spent all of today pushing camntsuki, your play has been explicitly scum play for the entire second half of the game, and I was only giving you BOTD for the first half. I repeat, every second I'm in this thread, all 1,209,600 of them, I will be pushing you tomorrow and I won't care to hear your real life excuses. If that's too much for you, I suggest you replace out before it gets to that, I won't think less of you
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Post Post #1137 (isolation #149) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:03 am

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In post 1134, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1131, Dunnstral wrote:Nacho, any chance you would join this? Also, get Staeg off of me
Why is my current vote a bad one?
Because it's not on the guy I've been asking youe to take a look at

Because numerous people have expressed that they scumread Camntsuki but NOBODY is willing to vote him

Because Staeg was the reason people gave for not voting camntsuki, and now a wagon there is theoretically viable, if people stay true to their word

Because Kokichi being town/scum tells us NOTHING (no DGB,, I don't think it means Maria is scum if kokichi is), while Camntsuki gives us tons of interactions

Because you voted without a reason while I've given reasons

Because while Kokichi looks sort of bad, I could see this coming from town him, and have seen it numerous times.

Because you're not communicating with your mason partner at all and they're stuck voting me in what I can only assume is an attempt to save his own skin and going v/la without engaging with me

That's why your vote is a bad one, I've got kokichi as a slight lean scum though
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #150) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:13 am

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In post 1153, thepixiecollective wrote:deadline is super soon and we need a lynch
You need to do more than that - you need to explain why that lynch can't be camntsuki, because yes a wagon is forming there
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Post Post #1161 (isolation #151) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:14 am

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In post 1155, Kokichi Oma wrote:I've seen town and scum Mollie. Based on just the posts I've seen I'd lean town here. I'll iso tonight
We need you to iso me and camntsuki

We have 3 days left and mollie isn't getting lynched and you need to place a vote
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Post Post #1162 (isolation #152) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:16 am

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In post 163, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Could lynch this slot literally any time
lynch them now

Don't wait until the wagon is already formed because then i can't tell if you'r ebussing

If you want to redeem yourself help start the wagon
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Post Post #1188 (isolation #153) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:12 pm

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In post 1187, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1161, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1155, Kokichi Oma wrote:I've seen town and scum Mollie. Based on just the posts I've seen I'd lean town here. I'll iso tonight
We need you to iso me and camntsuki

We have 3 days left and mollie isn't getting lynched and you need to place a vote
First I never said I wanted Mollie lynched. Second if there is 3 days left why force it between you 2?
Us two is where interest is right now, I'm not forcing anything, I'm telling you where you should look if you want to get into the game
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #154) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:21 pm

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I have feysal as a town lean from the content I've seen - do you want to talk about what they've posted?

What do you think of Espeonage?
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Post Post #1200 (isolation #155) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:25 pm

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Espeonage has been posting in other places but here he's content to let wagons sit on me and a mason
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #156) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:40 pm

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I mean, my role/sign has nothing to do with greek gods either, but we know that mafia have fake claims 100% from earlier, so either this is what the mod provided as scum fake claims, it's their actual roles, or they decided to claim greek gods instead of cosmic stuff. I'm seriously doubting that last one because why would they fake claim greek gods if it doesn't match the flavor at all? There's probably something we're missing that connects their flavor to this game
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Post Post #1222 (isolation #157) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:48 pm

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Pixie, if my wagon isn't possible, would you look towards voting camntsuki at deadline if they had a big wagon?
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #158) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:12 pm

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In post 0, Fate wrote:(Sources: Intuitive Astrology by Elizabeth Rose Campbell;
Astrology for Writes Corrine Kenner
; Jefferson Anderson Sun/Moon Combinations; Sun/Moon
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Post Post #1244 (isolation #159) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:06 pm

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In post 1203, MariaR wrote:
In post 1199, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1197, MariaR wrote:I'm in the same spot as you.
I rather cam get lynched but if fey reaches l-2 /l-1 I'll vote it
That's fine, I guess.

Where are you on Espeonage?
I remember a lot of people calling Esp town and I didn't really see why but they haven't really rang out as scummy to me
They're scummy through inaction, it's a real thing. I'm not advocating we lynch them today though, feysal had some posts that seem town to me though they've said some disagreeable things but whatever
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Post Post #1256 (isolation #160) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:32 pm

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In post 1248, camntsuki wrote:(got half the town to claim d1 lol)
Normal nowadays
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Post Post #1289 (isolation #161) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:36 pm

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no, we don't reevaluate in this game.

MariaR, I hope you didn't get scared off by a little ate from katsuki. Like, really, let's push this through. This lynch is impossible
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Post Post #1309 (isolation #162) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:29 am

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In post 163, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Maria and Kuribo's bigus dickus contest over who knows me more ending in a draw makes me feel they're both town. Or both scum? I don't see that interaction coming from TvS and them both being scum doesn't fit what I'm feeling in gut soooooooooooooooo call them both town.
Does this seem weird to anybody?
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Post Post #1391 (isolation #163) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:45 pm

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Camn is still on the table, just stop switching off of them. Other wagons get up to 5 votes within a page, camn can't keep 2 votes on them

Kokichi is l-1 right now. Nacho is voting him.
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Post Post #1401 (isolation #164) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:59 pm

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I think you should reread Espe because to me it seemed they were just avoiding this game and giving excuses not to engage while they posted in other games
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Post Post #1408 (isolation #165) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:04 pm

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In post 1403, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1401, Dunnstral wrote:I think you should reread Espe because to me it seemed they were just avoiding this game and giving excuses not to engage while they posted in other games
Okay, fine. I'll iso him first. What do you think about my read on you?
Your read on me was that you were too nervous to read me

I'm pretty sure Maria is town

Camn has been dodging questions and his tunnel has nothing behind it, also there's super heavy resistance against his wagon all game
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Post Post #1438 (isolation #166) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:35 pm

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I already pointed out that hades show up in one of the sources Fate sited for this game, I don't think it's fake...
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Post Post #1439 (isolation #167) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:35 pm

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Cited even
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Post Post #1513 (isolation #168) » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:13 am

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We h ave one day to get back on camntsuki
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Post Post #1515 (isolation #169) » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:16 am

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They're town
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Post Post #1561 (isolation #170) » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:51 pm

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VOTE: Feysal
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Post Post #1653 (isolation #171) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:19 am

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In post 1652, thepixiecollective wrote:where are every1 else's votes
I voted feysal
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Post Post #1668 (isolation #172) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:35 am

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In post 1576, Fate wrote:
I believe a lynch was reached, I apologize to my V/LA as a mod. Have a replacement for Espeonage lined up

In post 1106, Fate wrote:

Vote Count:


Love moves the world, but I organize and heal that world.

-Virgo

camntsuki-Sagitarrius: To Unify (1) Dunnstral
zMuffinMan- Virgo: To Serve (1) Nachomamma8
Kokichi Oma- Gemini: To Listen (0)
MariaR- Aquarius: To Liberate (1) Kokichi Oma
AnonymousGhost- Scorpio: To Transform (1): thepixiecollective
thepixiecollective- Cancer: To Nourish (0)
DrippingGoofBall- Libra: To Balance (0)
Espeonage-Gemini: To Listen (1) Feysal
Kuribo- Gemini: To Listen (0)
Feysal- Virgo: To Serve (0)
Nachomamma8- Pisces: To Let Go (0)
Staeg- Aquarius: To Liberate (5) Espeonage, MariaR, zMuffinMan. AnonymousGhost, DrippingGoofball (L-2)
LadyLambdadelta- Taurus: To Produce (0)
Dunnstral- Cancer: To Nourish (4) Lady Lambdadelta, camntsuki, Kuribo, Staeg

Not Voting: Kokichi Oma

With 13 alive it takes 7 to obliterate someone.

Deadline: July 15th
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Post Post #1669 (isolation #173) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:35 am

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Read the text at the top, we're in twilight, he just hasn't gotten to it yet
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Post Post #1677 (isolation #174) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:47 am

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In post 1675, AnonymousGhost wrote:Feet first chikadees~

My Sign Combo is Scorpio/Virgo = The Sleuth

I'm essentially a Weakened Tracker, in that I will Follow anyone who targets me during the Night Phase. It only now occurs to me that I should've asked if this result can stack e.g. if multiple people target, would I get multiple results (probably not - but it'd be cool if that were the case).

Anyway, if I'm not targeted by anyone during the Night, my Track goes through.
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Post Post #1687 (isolation #175) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:18 am

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You should target me AG and you keep a secret until day 3
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Post Post #1695 (isolation #176) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:22 am

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No wonder he's like this
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Post Post #1699 (isolation #177) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:27 am

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Take a nap
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Post Post #1743 (isolation #178) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:29 pm

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I received information during the night: a lone line of text saying "Multiball"
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Post Post #1747 (isolation #179) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:35 pm

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In post 1735, Nosferatu wrote:WHATS UP

I HAVE NOT READ D1 SINCE I REPLACED IN
In post 1738, Nosferatu wrote:i dont trust any of you guys with a day vig >.>


kuribo is town but i 100% expect the next person to piss him off

*cough* dunn

to get insta vigged
Something doesn't add up here, you say you didn't read the day then how did you get to your second post here

@MariaR I don't know, take it with a grain of salt, I got it though
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Post Post #1748 (isolation #180) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:35 pm

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VOTE: MariaR
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Post Post #1750 (isolation #181) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:39 pm

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In post 1749, MariaR wrote:Why are you voting me?
I'm voting you king
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Post Post #1753 (isolation #182) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:08 pm

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In post 1711, Fate wrote:The Moon has Shifted into Leo, who will you elect to wield the Sunburst? Whomever is elected will have the power to eliminate a single player. This will end the day if on scum
What this is saying is that if scum dies to the dayvig the day ends, if town dies to the dayvig we have a lynch after

I'm okay with feysal being shot, but I want MariaR to be the one to do it. Also we need to lynch camntsuki today
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Post Post #1771 (isolation #183) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:47 pm

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In post 1747, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1735, Nosferatu wrote:WHATS UP

I HAVE NOT READ D1 SINCE I REPLACED IN
In post 1738, Nosferatu wrote:i dont trust any of you guys with a day vig >.>


kuribo is town but i 100% expect the next person to piss him off

*cough* dunn

to get insta vigged
Something doesn't add up here, you say you didn't read the day then how did you get to your second post here

@MariaR I don't know, take it with a grain of salt, I got it though
Still think this is a thing
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Post Post #1787 (isolation #184) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:31 pm

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She wasn't widely scumread.

Scum probably killed her because she was against my lynch, and also playing well
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Post Post #1791 (isolation #185) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:34 pm

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In post 1738, Nosferatu wrote:i dont trust any of you guys with a day vig >.>


kuribo is town but i 100% expect the next person to piss him off

*cough* dunn

to get insta vigged
Who would you dayvig?
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Post Post #1868 (isolation #186) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:29 am

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Let's analyze the nightkill

Camntsuki and LLD both have reasons to kill MariaR, does anybody think otherwise?
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Post Post #1871 (isolation #187) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:39 am

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In post 1870, thepixiecollective wrote:don't you think the nk might possibly be a set on those 2 players?
1) Even if it is a setup, that doesn't make the person being set up town
2) I don't think both scumteams tried a setup kill on the same person

I think this kill was a lot simpler than a set up
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Post Post #1872 (isolation #188) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:40 am

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Camntsuki wanted to push me today but now backs off once mariaR is revealed as a treestump
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Post Post #1876 (isolation #189) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:11 pm

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In post 1873, camn wrote:Is Maria somehow protecting you from Katz?
She voted you yesterday and was really against my lynch and your push on me

Feigning ignorance won't save you
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Post Post #1898 (isolation #190) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:40 pm

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keep acting dumb ^
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Post Post #1904 (isolation #191) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:10 pm

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So what exactly did you do DGB?

MariaR, can you explain your role some more?
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Post Post #1905 (isolation #192) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:11 pm

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And feysal, you explain your role too. People want you dead.
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Post Post #1907 (isolation #193) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:19 pm

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Does this tell us anything about their alignment?
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Post Post #1917 (isolation #194) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:22 pm

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So you're not an oracle type role, you just sent a message saying multiball with no explanation?
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Post Post #1919 (isolation #195) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:27 pm

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Or his role does nothing and is just misleading and it was a poisoner
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Post Post #1920 (isolation #196) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:27 pm

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I do agree it suggests multiball I guess
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Post Post #1941 (isolation #197) » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:41 pm

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If MariaR wasn't shot, we could have used this day vig to confirm her as town?

She doesn't die, and because we have a lynch phase after we know she's not scum, since that ends the day?
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Post Post #1958 (isolation #198) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:27 pm

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VOTE: zMuffinMan
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Post Post #1963 (isolation #199) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:33 pm

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In post 1959, Nachomamma8 wrote:i'm not arrogant enough to believe that i'll have a significant impact in getting someone lynched when i'm not a significant presence in the game.
Your vote mislynched kokichi when the rest of us thought Feysal was being lynched

So good job

I told you why Kokichi was a bad vote yesterday
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In post 1958, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: zMuffinMan
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I''ll vote anonymousghost too for leo king, which do you prefer?
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