Mini 2020: Destiny III: Cosmic Mafia [終わり]

[AnonymousGhost]

VOTE: Espeonage

[AnonymousGhost]

VOTE: Kuribo

[AnonymousGhost]

When I am king you will be first against the wall

If you know anything about me you know i don't make idle threats

M'kay. That's nice. Next.

[AnonymousGhost]

Kuribo - You do you. I'm not really all that concerned about your reputation since I don't know what it is. And unless you're making threats that don't pertain to the game, meh. It's kinda what I expect from Mafia. Why change it? Stress less, you know?

[AnonymousGhost]

Sadly, I don't have time to meta someone. Or the actual will power. It'll probably bite me in the ass later, but I accept that as a result of my laziness.

[AnonymousGhost]

141 - This caught my attention and then I realized Muffin started that wagon. So, forget that.

152 - I like the nuance of Feysal's post regarding Esp. In part because I didn't notice that and when I went to go double check to see if it happened. And it did. The brain storm of scum!Camntsuki in association with Esp is beyond me; the logic of scum does this because that's what scum should do is valid, but I don't know either player to determine if that actually holds weight of a possible connection between the two (aka implicates Camntsuki).

163 - LLD's case against Feysal was interesting because she assumes that Feysal is thinking that Esp is scum. I went to go and check if Feysal explicitly

said

if he scum reads Esp and he doesn't, instead preferring to imply it. At least, that's what I first thought. But when I take a look again that vote on Esp could be explicit enough if Fey is the type of player where their votes = their scum reads (which I currently don't know and should probably ask!)

169 - This could be significant in late game if either of Maria or Dunn flips scum (early distancing), but ATM it's NAI for the both of them.

@Feysal

- Is it safe to assume that whomever you're voting for is a scum read? If not, could you clarify your 152 alignment read on Esp? I first assumed it Esp vote was a pressure vote due to cognitive dissonance, but when LLD mentioned that you scum read Esp, I took a closer look (especially at the connection you make between Esp & Camntsuki) and realized that that brain storm suggestion could be your way of saying scum!Esp.

@DGB

- If I missed it, can you point me in the direction or give me a hint as to where (or how) you arrived at the Feysal, LLD, and Nacho associatives? (The Nacho and LLD connection I can kinda understand how you got it from 244)

VOTE: Espeonage

[AnonymousGhost]

It's not significant because she was specifically asked for the read

The 'she' is not referring to Maria, is it? I don't think it is? Didn't LLD ask her about your alignment?

[AnonymousGhost]

Dunnstral feels weird.

Maria, what alignment is Dunnstral?

Give me a few more pages and you'll get an answer he's meh to me atm. Don't mind if you vote him

Found it~ :3

[AnonymousGhost]

Fair point. I did not think of that before.

[AnonymousGhost]

SUper down with an AG wagon as well fwiw,

I'm jealous. :3 It took you just four minutes to digest my post and make a decision about that.

[AnonymousGhost]

Off topic but I wonder where the word 'heartstrings' came from... huh...

oh! btw!

does anybody else see where I am going with this?

I'm lost. Could you explain please?

[AnonymousGhost]

Me?

[AnonymousGhost]

oh. sorry. I assumed since it was right after my post that it was directed at me.

[AnonymousGhost]

Says the peep who's voting for me. ;3

[AnonymousGhost]

Unless you are sarcastic.

[AnonymousGhost]

I'll look at your case again with that in mind.

I'm pretty sure you said that in in your original post (maybe?) and I just glazed over it. My bad.

[AnonymousGhost]

Also... wait. Dunn. If you town read just because I'm being nice, or something else unrelated to actual game advancing content, that's a bad reason to town read me. If you town read me for other reasons, then forget I said anything.

[AnonymousGhost]

Oh. NVM.

Pedits~

[AnonymousGhost]

Both. I try to read consecutively since ISOs can stop you from seeing the big picture, but if I'm trying to find something specific, I use ISOs.

[AnonymousGhost]

dunnstral is using muffina to validate the argument that what feysal said was not cog-dis. or something. I am kind of confused how they all wound up at the same place tho.

what do you think?

Spoiler: I think these are the posts you're referring to?

Do you see why I don't like it, though? I described it a bit more in post 168

ironically, i understand your reasoning, i just don't agree with it

i don't think what feysal did was an attempt to discredit you. it read to me more like he just wanted to make clear that he thought your post was coming from a town mindset despite not agreeing with it

i can see where you're coming from if you were interpreting it correctly (i.e. he was discrediting you); i just don't currently think that's what happened

honestly just reads to me like a player coming to a read despite a differing opinion another player but seeing another reason to think the other player is scum anyway

Dunnstral feels weird.

Maria, what alignment is Dunnstral?

Give me a few more pages and you'll get an answer he's meh to me atm. Don't mind if you vote him

I was "meh" on him before and his stepping in the path of my Feysal focus has soured me even more on him, tbh.

Regardless of Feysal's alignment, tbh.

You're tripping over your own feet with your Feysal focus

how so

The reason for pushing them she had wasn't correct from the start - she said that feysal couldn't think she was town, while not believing her reasoning, while also scumreading the same person for a different reason

yeah it was. it was cog-dis. lld correctly called it.

It's not cog-dis and muffin explains why later in the thread

No, because I said something then muffin expanded on it and said it in a way better than I did, I don't need to say the same thing he said in my own words but feysal can 100% have that opinion as town, wheras the argument is that no he basically can't

If I understand it correctly, Muffin's basically saying that people can reach the same conclusion but in different ways. Just because A and B both think that C is scum, that doesn't mean that they agree with how one another reached that conclusion and may disagree with those methods

It's like me disliking how someone will use a gut read to arrive at a conclusion that X is scum or town, but at the same time, I arrive at the same read on X by not relying on my gut. Unless, I completely misunderstand it - which is possible - that's the point Muffin made and Dun just said that Muffin said it better than he could.

I think it's valid. Null on Dunn, but Muffin is a tentative town read because of 45.

[AnonymousGhost]

real talk: if someone can point me to one post in staeg's ISO they think comes from town and competently defend it as a town post, i'll eat the shirt i'm currently wearing

At first, I thought Muffin had recently noticed something about Staeg and was urging others to take a look. While I was looking at Dunn and Muffin's ISOs for the previous post, I noticed that Muffin mentioned Staeg in 245 which lines up with Muffin voting for him in 302. When I took a look at Staeg myself, Muffin's statement about lack town posts is true (mostly saying "I don't like it") with very little effort to actually solve the game.

[AnonymousGhost]

a one scum game

What's this phrase mean? It sounds like it's slang for 'easy win' or lining your ducks (the ducks being scum) in a row, but I'm not sure.

[AnonymousGhost]

And that's how daddy sets the table.

Holy shit that's amazing.

[AnonymousGhost]

PATH TO SERENITY!!!

[AnonymousGhost]

Spoiler: There is more than one path to serenity

[AnonymousGhost]

You said "IF ASKED."

@Kuribo - Going over this again, I can pretty much understand everything about this conversation (P. 15) except this part. Why is the "if asked" important? I'm missing something...

[AnonymousGhost]

if scum already have fakeclaims, then why did Fate feel the need to post a sample PM in the OP?

presumably anyone who needs a fakeclaim knows the information in it already (having already received their fakeclaim) and anyone who doesn't need a fakeclaim already has all the information that's in the sample PM.

that moment when everything makes sense is a damn good moment

[AnonymousGhost]

I might have something to add - which is semi related to fake claims (?) - but I don't want to get mod killed for it. I'm waiting to hear from the Mod about whether or not I can say it.

Pedit - Okay.

[AnonymousGhost]

I might have something to add - which is semi related to fake claims (?) - but I don't want to get mod killed for it. I'm waiting to hear from the Mod about whether or not I can say it.

Pedit - Okay.

Okay. NVM. I can't talk about it. Me sad now.

[AnonymousGhost]

@Mod - The VC is off. You missed 296 and 403.

[AnonymousGhost]

if scum already have fakeclaims, then why did Fate feel the need to post a sample PM in the OP?

presumably anyone who needs a fakeclaim knows the information in it already (having already received their fakeclaim) and anyone who doesn't need a fakeclaim already has all the information that's in the sample PM.

that moment when everything makes sense is a damn good moment

the moment when you can't remember what made sense SUCKS

[AnonymousGhost]

So. What's the consensus here?

How much of the thread have you read?

[AnonymousGhost]

@Dunn

- It hasn't occurred to me up until now, but what is your read on Kuribo?

[AnonymousGhost]

Despite Nacho's town meta case I'm still happy on Staeg.

Seems replicatable, especially with people that know of the meta existing. That said Nacho's push on muffin would be good if it wasn't vain.

In the context of Mafia, is 'vain' equivalent to 'vanity wagon'?

[AnonymousGhost]

@DGB

- Has this pattern of wish washing continued since that post by LLD?

[AnonymousGhost]

ag

oh. You were serious.

[AnonymousGhost]

Got it. Thanks.

[AnonymousGhost]

UNVOTE: Espeonage

eh. Upon realizing that Esp has posted, I reviewed my read on him. His 476 feels like a step towards game solving.

@Esp - Do you have a read list I can take a look at?

[AnonymousGhost]

It's an attempt to be rather clever while also trying to divert attention away from the buddy with the budding wagon

@Staeg - I'm taking a look through your ISO and this caught my attention, plus some other things I remember as well.

This post was made in reference to Maria's early vote on you - shortly after you voted Kok after DGB did her #ScumPostDetected - and in it you implicate both Koki and Maria in it.

Later in 276, you show support for a wagon on me.

And then in 324, you show dislike for Muffins and think Kuribo is in the wrong. What I don't see in that last opinion post is an effort to classify Dunn, Kuribo, or Muffin as town or scum. So, you want to shed some light on that? Do you still think Maria and Kokichi are connected based on that early post?

[AnonymousGhost]

I could do something. But theres some slots I have no real read on yet.

My bad. I should've been more specific. What I want to know is if Nacho's town case on Staeg affected your impression of Nacho's alignment?

I'm exercising my brain and doing WIFOM in regards to that defense post.

[AnonymousGhost]

Like... It's high risk but high reward for Nacho if he's scum and Staeg is town and the latter gets lynched.

[AnonymousGhost]

Wait. What

[AnonymousGhost]

Nacho is town but needs to be sorted? That doesn't make sense.

[AnonymousGhost]

Wait. Is that you're way of saying Bacho isn't solidly town to you?

Pedit: Got it!

[AnonymousGhost]

F you autocorrect. Nacho is a word last time I checked!!

[AnonymousGhost]

I admit I haven't been keeping track of what LLD has been doing besides that post that DGB dissected.

@LLD

- What are your reads on the players that you mentioned in 163 i.e. Maria, Kuribo, Katsuki/Camn hydra, Staeg, and Esp?

[AnonymousGhost]

618 sold me on town!Dunn more than Maria's 625. Mainly because I like the motivational reading into Dunn's actions that Feysal is using, compared to meta arguments.

[AnonymousGhost]

I now appear to think he's scum, oops, more on that in a bit.

/waits/

[AnonymousGhost]

And not only this but why the fuck did STAEG feel the need to discredit my push on Dunn?

Where did he do this?

Pedit:

@Maria

- Lynch pool: Staeg, Muffin or Pixie (based on a gut feeling from latter half of page 23 and top of 24 alone when they're talking about Nacho - it didn't seem to

go

anywhere).

[AnonymousGhost]

It's best to describe their conclusions about the players they talk about - Nacho, Cupcake (who is this again? It's the Camstuki hydra right? I know I'm butchering that spelling - whoops), Steag, and Dunnstral - as hedging. Like... there's a lot of 'buts' and no one's alignment is solidified by the end of the conversation between the two of them.

Spoiler: wall of quotes

i don't have any sort of town read on him. i think his earlier posts were trying too hard to seem town and that's something i usually associate with his scum play but i'm not particularly confident about this just because of who's playing the game and how that might have affected his approach. i didn't like camn's post about LLD though (i think that's the only time she's actually posted?)

cupcake has posted more times in this D1 than he normally posts across entire games when he's town - i know that's probably in part because he's excited about it being a fate game with this player list but meh. i guess how much he's appealing to certain players doesn't sit well with me either. honestly don't remember the last time he put this much effort into a game he was town

cupcake has posted more times in this D1 than he normally posts across entire games when he's town - i know that's probably in part because he's excited about it being a fate game with this player list but meh. i guess how much he's appealing to certain players doesn't sit well with me either. honestly don't remember the last time he put this much effort into a game he was town

he does seem a bit more active than usual but I don't have a meta read on him either way. I am waiting for camn to post more because I think then I will be able to get a better read off of the slot. at least that is what I am hoping for.

what did you think of nacho's entrance btw?

don't really like the staeg defense - i wouldn't classify anything staeg's posted as "snarky" but even if i squint and look at his posts sideways, i can't see what he's referring to. nacho's reasoning for voting me feels pretty weak. don't really like the fact he put a lot more effort into talking about things other than his primary scum read, especially since he should know it's going to take a lot more than that to actually get me lynched (i get that he's time-constrained but he had enough time to post the rest of what he posted so yeah)

what did you think of nacho's entrance btw?

don't really like the staeg defense - i wouldn't classify anything staeg's posted as "snarky" but even if i squint and look at his posts sideways, i can't see what he's referring to. nacho's reasoning for voting me feels pretty weak. don't really like the fact he put a lot more effort into talking about things other than his primary scum read, especially since he should know it's going to take a lot more than that to actually get me lynched (i get that he's time-constrained but he had enough time to post the rest of what he posted so yeah)

I am not thrilled with nacho's posts. they seem very hollow and they lack the verve that I am used to seeing from him. however I had misread him often enough to give him more time and wait to see what else he comes up with.

what is your read on dunns? you said you were fine with lynching him but what is your actual read on him?

i don't really think dunnstral is scum. nothing special here, just small things about his play that i think are more likely to come from town than scum

i didnt like his entrance; it felt flat and uninspired? something like that. actually a lot of his posting feels flat but i don't have as much of an issue with it as i did initially

i guess if you want an example of a small thing i'm talking about, i think the way he's handling LLD looks townish (i.e. i like that he's not trying to fan the flames between her and DGB). like i said, nothing special here

his indifference to the suspicion being leveled at him (mainly in conversations with kuribo) seems fine to me too. i like that he's not trying too hard to justify his actions or deflect the suspicion or anything like that

why do you think he's scum?

i didnt like his entrance; it felt flat and uninspired? something like that. actually a lot of his posting feels flat but i don't have as much of an issue with it as i did initially

i guess if you want an example of a small thing i'm talking about, i think the way he's handling LLD looks townish (i.e. i like that he's not trying to fan the flames between her and DGB). like i said, nothing special here

I don't see that as alignment indicative, anybody with a passing familiarity with lld and dgb (and me for that matter) knows how combustible the situ can get and any sane person wld want to prevent that. just cos he is sane doesn't make him town.

I have played against scum!dunns before and he is the type to just kind of sit back and let things play out and let town eat its own, which is what I see him doing here. I also don't believe that he doesn't read kuribo as town at this point.

the way he stated the kuribo read is weird. dont think it makes him scum, though. not really sure i'd expect someone with zero experience with kuribo to have him as a solid town read here

it'd be pretty easy for dunn-scum to just write kuribo off as town (like everyone else seems to be doing) instead of drawing attention to himself like that

my read on him isn't actually strong enough that i feel comfortable defending him

i just think he's done some things that are more likely to come from town

not going to be shocked if i'm wrong, though

i might get around to looking through his meta to get a better idea of how he plays scum some time tomorrow

the way he stated the kuribo read is weird. dont think it makes him scum, though. not really sure i'd expect someone with zero experience with kuribo to have him as a solid town read here

it'd be pretty easy for dunn-scum to just write kuribo off as town (like everyone else seems to be doing) instead of drawing attention to himself like that

see I don't necessarily think thats true. I understand him backing off of kuribo, again again sanity, but I don't see him doing anything else either.

[AnonymousGhost]

@Mod - Apparently, I don't exist at all. :[

[AnonymousGhost]

How do you guys feel about camntsuki? @AnonymousGhost/MariaR

Camntsuki = cupcake? This far into the game and I still don't know for sure. Like... I'm 60/40 on how correct my assumption versus how incorrect it is and this is only because I've seen Katsuki slip and their avatar has a cupcake in it.

[AnonymousGhost]

@Mod - Apparently, I don't exist at all. :[

I mean you're an anonymous ghost

Well, now I'm a sad ghost.

[AnonymousGhost]

Anyway... camntsuki... I'm not going to pretend that I'm following their posts. I'd rather lynch in my lynch pool than begin to lynch outside of it.

VOTE: Steag

[AnonymousGhost]

I mean... I get beef jerky from it.

Haha~

Not really.

Avatar jokes~

I think Steag's avatar is a deer or something.... hard to tell...anyway.. alligator jerky is a thing... so... anything can be made into jerky... probably... maybe

[AnonymousGhost]

come at me bro

Challenge accepted.

Let's go.

It's best to describe their conclusions about the players they talk about - Nacho, Cupcake (who is this again? It's the Camstuki hydra right? I know I'm butchering that spelling - whoops), Steag, and Dunnstral - as hedging.

Like... there's a lot of 'buts' and no one's alignment is solidified by the end of the conversation between the two of them.

Spoiler: wall of quotes

i don't have any sort of town read on him. i think his earlier posts were trying too hard to seem town and that's something i usually associate with his scum play but i'm not particularly confident about this just because of who's playing the game and how that might have affected his approach. i didn't like camn's post about LLD though (i think that's the only time she's actually posted?)

cupcake has posted more times in this D1 than he normally posts across entire games when he's town - i know that's probably in part because he's excited about it being a fate game with this player list but meh. i guess how much he's appealing to certain players doesn't sit well with me either. honestly don't remember the last time he put this much effort into a game he was town

cupcake has posted more times in this D1 than he normally posts across entire games when he's town - i know that's probably in part because he's excited about it being a fate game with this player list but meh. i guess how much he's appealing to certain players doesn't sit well with me either. honestly don't remember the last time he put this much effort into a game he was town

he does seem a bit more active than usual but I don't have a meta read on him either way. I am waiting for camn to post more because I think then I will be able to get a better read off of the slot. at least that is what I am hoping for.

what did you think of nacho's entrance btw?

don't really like the staeg defense - i wouldn't classify anything staeg's posted as "snarky" but even if i squint and look at his posts sideways, i can't see what he's referring to. nacho's reasoning for voting me feels pretty weak. don't really like the fact he put a lot more effort into talking about things other than his primary scum read, especially since he should know it's going to take a lot more than that to actually get me lynched (i get that he's time-constrained but he had enough time to post the rest of what he posted so yeah)

what did you think of nacho's entrance btw?

don't really like the staeg defense - i wouldn't classify anything staeg's posted as "snarky" but even if i squint and look at his posts sideways, i can't see what he's referring to. nacho's reasoning for voting me feels pretty weak. don't really like the fact he put a lot more effort into talking about things other than his primary scum read, especially since he should know it's going to take a lot more than that to actually get me lynched (i get that he's time-constrained but he had enough time to post the rest of what he posted so yeah)

I am not thrilled with nacho's posts. they seem very hollow and they lack the verve that I am used to seeing from him. however I had misread him often enough to give him more time and wait to see what else he comes up with.

what is your read on dunns? you said you were fine with lynching him but what is your actual read on him?

i don't really think dunnstral is scum. nothing special here, just small things about his play that i think are more likely to come from town than scum

i didnt like his entrance; it felt flat and uninspired? something like that. actually a lot of his posting feels flat but i don't have as much of an issue with it as i did initially

i guess if you want an example of a small thing i'm talking about, i think the way he's handling LLD looks townish (i.e. i like that he's not trying to fan the flames between her and DGB). like i said, nothing special here

his indifference to the suspicion being leveled at him (mainly in conversations with kuribo) seems fine to me too. i like that he's not trying too hard to justify his actions or deflect the suspicion or anything like that

why do you think he's scum?

i didnt like his entrance; it felt flat and uninspired? something like that. actually a lot of his posting feels flat but i don't have as much of an issue with it as i did initially

i guess if you want an example of a small thing i'm talking about, i think the way he's handling LLD looks townish (i.e. i like that he's not trying to fan the flames between her and DGB). like i said, nothing special here

I don't see that as alignment indicative, anybody with a passing familiarity with lld and dgb (and me for that matter) knows how combustible the situ can get and any sane person wld want to prevent that. just cos he is sane doesn't make him town.

I have played against scum!dunns before and he is the type to just kind of sit back and let things play out and let town eat its own, which is what I see him doing here. I also don't believe that he doesn't read kuribo as town at this point.

the way he stated the kuribo read is weird. dont think it makes him scum, though. not really sure i'd expect someone with zero experience with kuribo to have him as a solid town read here

it'd be pretty easy for dunn-scum to just write kuribo off as town (like everyone else seems to be doing) instead of drawing attention to himself like that

my read on him isn't actually strong enough that i feel comfortable defending him

i just think he's done some things that are more likely to come from town

not going to be shocked if i'm wrong, though

i might get around to looking through his meta to get a better idea of how he plays scum some time tomorrow

the way he stated the kuribo read is weird. dont think it makes him scum, though. not really sure i'd expect someone with zero experience with kuribo to have him as a solid town read here

it'd be pretty easy for dunn-scum to just write kuribo off as town (like everyone else seems to be doing) instead of drawing attention to himself like that

see I don't necessarily think thats true. I understand him backing off of kuribo, again again sanity, but I don't see him doing anything else either.

[AnonymousGhost]

you have not done shit to interact with me this entire game.

This coming from the person who didn't interact with half the people you discussed on Pages 23 and 24 with Muffin. Besides one or two posts directed at Nacho and more than a handful directed at Dunnstral, you haven't interacted with Staeg or the Cam hydra but have a read on both of them.

[AnonymousGhost]

@Pixie

I hate gut reads. Like you

can't do anything

if you're on the opposing side of a player who uses gut reads.

That's why I'm trying to explain

why

that conversation pinged me (beyond my gut) so that other people can either agree, disagree, or take a third option.

/steps off of soapbox/

I'm not going to argue beyond this because that's just a waste of space/posts. I just got the posts that I thought looked like scum theater and now it's up to others to take a look at them or not and then make a decision.

Your conversation with Muffin didn't go anywhere IMO. I saw waffling in both of your posts and it looked like activity for the sake of activity, rather than solving any of the mentioned players' alignments aka scum theater.

[AnonymousGhost]

I feel like I will be able to get a better read on him by watching how he interacts with other players

This is the same way I reached the conclusion that those pages of Muffin and Pixie were scum theater.

Don't tell me that I can't make reads based off of observation alone and you can?

[AnonymousGhost]

I came out guns blazing

pew pew!!

[AnonymousGhost]

IMO what Staeg has done is shading.

This to me is what encapsulates Staeg's shading all game:

I now appear to think he's scum, oops, more on that in a bit.

And yet... no vote.

I'm not listening to Nacho's meta TR for the same reason I'm not believing Maria's TR on you. I don't have a read on either of them (yet), so I have no reason to trust their reads on other people. Shitty reasoning, I know. Just because someone's a TR doesn't mean that their TRs are right, but meta reads have more validity cause... ya know... meta.

[AnonymousGhost]

No, I know it does qualify as shading. I want Staeg more than you right now. Them's the works.

[AnonymousGhost]

No to Staeg and you.

Yes to Muffin and you.

No to Staeg and Muffin.

My Staeg scum read is independent of my scum!Muffin and scum!Pixie reads. The latter two are connected only cause scum theater on Pages 23 and 24. Like, I haven't even thought how Staeg related to either Muffin or you which is probably stupid, but eh. /shrug

I'm not seeing why you think it's keeping the options open concerning Staeg. But I can

see

the options open thing for Muffin/Pixie because if either you or Muffin is lynched and flips town then that means I need to reevaluate my read on the other cause it wouldn't be scum theater like I thought it'd be.

[AnonymousGhost]

but you implied that I was staying away/not interacting with certain players (cos I was scum) which included staeg?

No, the not interacting with players thing was not connected to you being scum. It was me just making a point about how you, or your partner?, said that I was scummy because I didn't interact with you. That was me discrediting you.

1 in which you are voting for and the other 2 are not connected to the player you are voting for but

somehow connected to each other.

I don't know how to make this anymore clear.

I think Steag is scum, thus I'm voting for him. But that read is

independent

of my scum reads on you and Muffin, which are the only two that are connected to each other. Staeg is not connected to either of your scum reads: I'm not scum reading him with either you or Muffin, but I'm reading you two as scum together.

Like... I think I get what you're getting at, but I'm not trying to connect all three pieces together at the moment. I'm not even going to try because that'd most likely be affected by conf bias and I'd be making stuff up for the sake of trying to fit it altogether.

What I want and what you think I want are two different things apparently.

Pedit: holy fuck the pedits....

[AnonymousGhost]

cos I said ag was shading us and he admitted to doing so.

She.

And if shading is saying that I scum read you, but I want one of my other scum reads, then yes~ Give me all the shade~

[AnonymousGhost]

except you are connecting me to the player you are saying is my scum partner, so yes, you ARE saying I am scum because of it.

Alright then. /shrug

if you think that muffina and I are scum together why wld you not push 1 of us? it seems like it wld further the game from your (very wrong) perspective more than a staeg lynch.

FMPOV I'm voting scum, thus furthering the game. I'm not picky.

Based on our back and forth alone, people might go back and check out what my original point against both you and Muffin was... so there's no need to clog up the thread with a neon flashing sign of my push.

cos the timing and interaction of dunns/muffina did not make sense from a town POV. and it seems weird that you did not pick up on that.

What exactly was I

supposed

to pick up from that? Like... you're telling me how Dunn validated something based off of what Muffin said earlier was funny, but it seems like a case of "this person said it better than I can, so please look to your left [at what they said]".

what is it that you specifically want? and besides "gut" and scum theatre with muffina, whom you cld also be going after but for some reason are not, do you think that I am scum?

I want a Staeg lynch. He's a scum read and unrelated to both Muffin and scum theater.

Both Muffin and you are scum because of the hedging/waffling - lots of "buts", "I'm not sure", "I'll solve it later", etc. - I saw in that interaction on pages 23 and 24 and nothing changed about either of your opinions about the alignments of the players that you guys talked about, hence... scum theater, talking for the sake of talking, yada yada yada.

That's literally it.

That is why I scum read you two. Not Steag. You two: Muffin and Pixie.

you are going for the "safe" read of a wagon that was already started that I am not really clear on your motivation for doing so except its popular.

Except Staeg is a scum read... so, my motivation should be clear.

[votes a proclaimed scum read][it's a good guess that this person wants to lynch scum]

Like... who cares if it's popular? Or safe?

If Staeg gets lynched and flips green, then it'll be clear that it's the furtherest thing from safe and everyone on that wagon will probably get squinted at and maybe someone on that wagon will get lynched on D2.

I kinda get what you're saying with me not pushing an "unpopular" read, but I gave the reason why I scum read both you and Muffin. If people ask me for my reads, I'm literally just going to quote those posts for them. That's about as much effort as I'm willing to push my reads.

[AnonymousGhost]

If you're expecting some super complex scum case, then you're looking at the wrong player.

[AnonymousGhost]

Why should I pay attention to this yikes?

If that's what you think I'm telling you after all this time, then I'm going to stop explaining. I can't get my point across to you and no amount of me repeating myself is successful. So... YOLO~

In the realm of numbers, there's currently 8 votes split even between Staeg and Dunnstral. The likelihood that these wagons are going to self-vote is minimal, so that leaves 3 votes floating in oblivion. Me splitting off my vote for some vanity wagon is stupid because all it's doing is subtracting from the majority, thus lessening the chances of a lynch occurring.

[AnonymousGhost]

Oh wait. Lol.

I suck at math.

It takes 7 to lynch with 13 peeps.

4 + 3 = 7

[AnonymousGhost]

You think Dunn is scum with Muffin, but you also think I'm scum. So, how's this any different from my Muffin + Pixie and scum!Staeg reads? You have two scum reads that are related and one that's independent (since I've yet to see you make a connection between me, Muffin, and Dunn). You're voting your independent read (moi) and not your connected reads.

You're literally doing the thing you're calling me out for.

I've heard what you're saying and I've given my answer. Just look at the 5 pagers we've posted across.

No, I don't the cognitive dissonance.

[AnonymousGhost]

*see

[AnonymousGhost]

If it hasn't been clear by this point, I don't group scum hunt. It creates a paradigm that forces me to fill it in and I think that's limiting, so I don't do it.

I'm not pushing the Midfin, Puxie, Starg team because I'm not looking at my reads as a team. Like if it was guaranteed that scum always do X, then we'd lunch everine who did X and win with nearly a %100 town winrate. But outliers exist for a reason and some scum will fly in the face of scum expectations while giving it the bird, so trying to apply the usual tactics won't work for those flying bird scum.

[AnonymousGhost]

Bunch of spelling errors, but whatevs. If you can't understand me when I spell correctly, then why be grammatically correct?

[AnonymousGhost]

Unless my "artificial-ness" and "mechanicalism" relates to your read on my alignment, you're not doing anything beyond talking to talk.

[AnonymousGhost]

I'm still down to rope you

Same here~ ;D

[AnonymousGhost]

Anyway... camntsuki... I'm not going to pretend that I'm following their posts. I'd rather lynch in my lynch pool than begin to lynch outside of it.

VOTE: Steag

@Mod - /cough/

[AnonymousGhost]

I'll bop ghost on the noggin for ye

/boops/

[AnonymousGhost]

@Dunn - Can you point me in the direction of your scum Esp read? I can't remember if you've explained it or not. Thank you~

[AnonymousGhost]

When is deadline? Do I have tonight to read everything?

There's already VC, but it's July 15th... Which is next Sunday??? I'm positive on the date but not which day it's on.

[AnonymousGhost]

@Dunn - Can you point me in the direction of your scum Esp read? I can't remember if you've explained it or not. Thank you~

NVM. I scrolled to it. It was on the next page. :3

[AnonymousGhost]

Having trouble believing that Kuribo can honestly believe that both me and staeg are scum together right now

I'm not speaking for Kuribo but IIRC he's said that you're his top SR and Staeg's his second. He hasn't drawn a connection between the two of you AFAIK.

[AnonymousGhost]

my experience has always been that scum try to avoid each other.

Theory Mode Engaged:

Scum typically try to avoid each other, but I usually associated this behavior with newb scum because they don't know it's a scum tell. Experienced scum

know

that this is a tell [avoiding one another] and that town will look for it, especially after a scum flip. It's not out of the realm to expect that scum will fly in the face of this expectation just to avoid falling into that very scum tell that townies use.

Spoiler: you can skip this if you like Feysal. It's serving as an example from my most recent scum game to demonstrate my point

Phone posting is not ideal for linking stuff, but in a completed Open game of mine (Open 715) I purposefully gave one of my scum buddies the hardest time: I poked holes in his logic, called him out for his scummy play, and even voted for him. (It was a White Flag game, so that was extra risky)

I'm pretty sure you know that there'll be exceptions to the rule, but I just wanted to get this off my chest

[AnonymousGhost]

Supposed to be a present tense associate, not past tense but you - hopefully - get my gist.

[AnonymousGhost]

@Feysal - If you want to take a further look into my example. Here's the link to the thread.

[AnonymousGhost]

Why is Staeg still voting me from before I even knew my role?

I think your V/LA is over (?). What do you know so far? How much of the thread have you read?

[AnonymousGhost]

Also,

Thank you mod~ :3

[AnonymousGhost]

@Mod - Post 684

[AnonymousGhost]

:3p

[AnonymousGhost]

Thank you Mod~

[AnonymousGhost]

Camntsuki is firmly in my Null pile, but borderlines into the "fuck that effort of trying to decode what they're saying" merely because most of their posts are all in CAPS (which I almost always interpret is an ATE at first glance and thus skim over it).

My bad, I know. /shrug/

I think what Muffin has pointed out in 1019 is worth fact checking - both the sheeping and the seemingly dissonance that's going on there - I'm going to do so later. Beyond that, I'm ambivalent to Camntsuki and their alignment.

They're kinda in that mind-spot where I've slotted them as "I'll deal with this later". Not the best place to be in terms of shorting their alignment. :thinks:

On a more personal level related to Camntsuki is that logic poke into DGB's scum read on me in 1039. I can't remember if they've ever mentioned me before that and I want to know if that logic poke goes beyond a logic poke.

[AnonymousGhost]

FYI... we have

5 days left

before the lynch deadline hits.

[AnonymousGhost]

Sorry if you can't see that in MafSilver or MafSepia.

[AnonymousGhost]

Just checked with a ctrl + f and their only mention of you before that was when they voted you, unless they referred to you in another way

oh okay. :3

That was easier than I thought~

ha~

nah.

I'll go over their ISO again with "Casper" just in case.

[AnonymousGhost]

Catching up is hard, but I've just given a few reads. Did you not see it?

Besides your town read on Esp in 1073 and your feelings towards certain players in 1072, I can barely remember your earlier reads/posts.

[AnonymousGhost]

Staeg as scum is more tentative than most in pushing players who are likely to push him back

Nacho.

If I focus just on this aspect of Staeg's scum play, if you're to be believed, then Staeg's current play fits into

exactly

what you're saying here.

It's been brought up - not by me - that 114 is sus because if Staeg that it was a scum post, why'd he wait until someone else called it a scum post and then wait until three people voted for Kokichi. This, however, has been refuted by the point that Staeg wasn't online and active at the time that this pile on happened, tbf. (I think he's the one who refuted it, but I don't know for sure.)

Staeg's "push" on me is literally "I'm down with a wagon on AG" after LLD posted her "I don't like Ghost" 163. Are these two things a direct cause and effect? Probably not. Does it fit into the pattern that Staeg hasn't "pushed" for a wagon of his own? Yes. Just take a look at how he joined the Kokichi wagon after three other people voted.

His "case" on Dunn was never actually brought up despite his 636 that promised he'd explain more on that. It's worth noting that Staeg says he scum reads Dunn in a roundabout way and he never voted Dunn in that post. It's nearly 200 posts later that he does in 861. I recognize that this is flimsy because Staeg could've been pressed for time or maybe it's not his meta to vote in the same post he says he scum reads someone, but I still think it's sus.

For both his push on Dunn and I, nobody knows what it is. It might as well be a gut read for as much as Staeg has "explained" his reads/cases.

[AnonymousGhost]

If you say so.

[AnonymousGhost]

And somehow this point of "Staeg scum doesn't push people who give him a hard time" doesn't apply to either Dunn or I because... reasons?

You're basically saying that Staeg is tentative scum. And I'm saying that he's fit this bill regarding his push towards myself and Dunn (Kuribo and flip floppiness aside - I'm ignoring that bit and focusing on his lack of push).

[AnonymousGhost]

So is it a point you believe in anyways (you don't believe the counterpoint is legit) or...?

I believe my point but acknowledge other things that have happened in the thread (Staeg's claim he wasn't online during that Kokichi pile on). Do I believe Staeg's claim that he wasn't online at the time? Haha.

No.

I said "If you say so" because we're basically going to be arguing about whether or not one or the other believes Staeg's claim that he wasn't online at the time when that pile on took place and shouldn't be scrutinized as scum play. I've given you my case on Staeg that doesn't involve Muffin's "none of his posts are town" shtick you were previously focused on.

I'm not going to force my case down your throat if you don't believe it.

[AnonymousGhost]

Staeg, you're basically claiming not that you

don't

have or know your alignment right now.

Ripped straight from the Mini Theme Queue /in to Mod description. Pay attention to the bold.

This game will be based on Astrology. To play you must PM me your Sun sign from Western (Tropical) Astrology. This will be Public knowledge.

You will recieve a Moon sign as your ALIGNMENT

, and your Sun/Moon combination will feature a unique role. Aka the roles will be balanced according to the Sun signs of people present. Play at your own Risk of Sanity. There will be astrological events that occur throughout the game and effect gameplay.

[AnonymousGhost]

That first sentence is a word soup. :p

[AnonymousGhost]

Whatever. Just remove the "not" from it and it should be good.

[AnonymousGhost]

Oh. Lol. Muffin beat me to it.

:3

[AnonymousGhost]

Checked that /in to Mod for bastardness and Fate says "No" to bastardness.

[AnonymousGhost]

Is it possible your game has any of the following bastard roles or mechanics? cults,

mid-game alignment changes

,

Now consider that this is one of the things that Fate said "no" to.

[AnonymousGhost]

Obviously if Staeg is telling the truth, he's basically had NO ALIGNMENT this entire Day One and is probably assuming that he's maybe Town by virtue of the Mason aspect of his claim. Again. Game's not bastard (crazy, yes), so Fate technically can't lie about that.

@Staeg - Do you have any idea when you'll get your Moon sign/alignment? Like is it one of those Astrological Events that will affect gameplay like Fate said in the /in to Mod post?

[AnonymousGhost]

At this point, it's debatable how that "no" to "mod game alignment changes" applies if you've never known or had an alignment to begin with.

[AnonymousGhost]

I'd probably be able to be persuaded on a Camn wagon.

I haven't seen any of your opposition's points - as to why you're scum - actually be valid.

I'm pretty sure you have a case on Camn - I think Muffin does as well -; I'm going to find them and then quote them for my reference. Then I'm going to go through Camn's ISO (having not looked at the cases, so I can avoid Conf bias and maybe bring new insight into it) and then I'll look at both of your cases.

Chances are I'm going to join a Camn wagon because I'm not going to join the Dunn wagon and Muffin's recent dig into Staeg seems town.

/tosses scum theater theory out a window/

[AnonymousGhost]

UNVOTE: Staeg

[AnonymousGhost]

Spoiler: Dunn and Muffin cases against Camn for reference purposes. look @ for later

the bolded

where is your vote btw

it wld be really cool if we had a vc rn

My vote is on camntsuki

I have them as scum because all game they've been adding fuel to the fire from the sidelines

When I tried to engage them directly they weren't able to come up with something, disappeared, and then came back and started talking about something else

They are a hard lynch only because other people want to play with him (no clue why, he actively makes the game less enjoyable) and because he's scum and because 1/3 of the player list is harshly afk

Speaking of which, I've got nacho, feysal, espeonage, and kokichi as my full on lurkers, of those feysal and nacho lean town while espeonage and kokichi lean scum

Kokichi was null until just recently when he took a jab at Maria because from what I had seen he wasn't even reading the game and him calling out Maria was bad when he had no reads on the slots she was talking about. Then he took a weird jab at me too. Will wait and see if they get better

Espeonage looked really bad last night when he pointed to my 1 quote post and said it was a wall post so he couldn't read anything - activity excuses are scummy. And then he posts a few more times about the game speed, and when DGB tries to engage him he says he only has 30 minutes left and disappears - but he could have put some content forth if he really wanted to, he was just dodging the thread and he's been dodging the thread for a while, plus I didn't like his "I'll vote whoever it takes to get a lynch as fast as possible" - seemed like he was setting up to join the largest wagon for bogus reasons

Nacho and Feysal have good content so far but haven't posted much, I've got them as light town reads

Kuribo hasn't done anything alignment indicative - I don't read him flaming other people out as towny, I think he can do it as either alignment. It's gross though

LLD I feel hasn't done anything alignment indicative as well, need them to post more in the current state of the game, I don't read their early play as scummy ate, I just read it as ate. Not impressed with their play so far, though.

Staeg I was okay with and I remember Nacho said he was town too, I think him jumping on me here is a little gross but I don't even fully understand his reasoning, he can work with me or he can shoehorn himself as the lynch today but it's not my preferred lynch right now

Can talk more about camntsuki if/when needed

oh, that reminds me

cupcake is all about sheeping...

ALL HAIL THE PACT
LOYAL SHEEP MODE ENGAGED
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

UNVOTE, VOTE：ANONYMOUSGHOST

UNVOTE, VOTE: *KOKICHI OMA

WE'VE MADE ENOUGH POSTS SUCH TAHT MOMMY WONT NOTICE THIS BURIED WITHIN

TIME TO SUPPORT KURIBOS OFFERING FOR THE BLOOD GODS

VOTE: DUNNSTRAL

... right up until it comes to voting staeg. now he won't budge on dunnstral, even though kuribo's recently moved to dunnstral

oh yeah, someone wanted me to talk about reads. ignoring the staeg read,

i don't feel good about cupcamn. i didn't like the way camn voted LLD, mostly due to how weak it felt and how it felt more like stoking the fire than a legitimate read (not sure how many posts she's posted since then, if any - i think i saw some recent reads from her maybe but didn't think they looked all that special) and i think cupcake's trying to be super active to avoid the standard shit he gets for being lurky but his posting doesn't actually look town to me. not going to claim i have flawless accuracy reading cupcake, but i don't think the way he's playing this game is anything close to how he usually plays as town (his early posts had a lot more posturing in them than i'm used to and i don't actually think the way he's acting around dunnstral is coming from town-cupcake). the unwillingness to vote staeg just makes me think he doesn't want to bus if he can help it

nacho just isn't here and i didn't like his initial posts. went over this a bit with mollie at some point. refer back to that if you want more depth here (there really isn't much to talk about here though given how little he's posted). dont remember if i mentioned it when talking to mollie, but i do also think the way he talked about staeg is what he'd do if he were scum with staeg here

not a huge fan of kokichi's maria vote. still waiting on him to write any game-relevant content. don't really have a scum read on him but would not be sad to see a vig take him out

LLD i thought looked town early. that read's been going stale. i don't think the lurking is scummy or anything, but my read on her was mostly a gut-based feeling that her thoughts seemed genuine early on. nothing so strong that i'm willing to let her skate on zero content past the early game. i want to see her take on recent events

i have town reads of varying degrees on the rest of the game. dunnstral, feysal, espy are weaker town reads (though i'd prefer the latter two were more active than they've been). DGB, kuribo, AG, maria are stronger town reads. and if mollie is scum, then wow

[AnonymousGhost]

THE STAEG WAGON WAS A SCUMPUSH COUNTERWAGON TO DUNNSTRAL

Based on VC alone, it looks like the opposite is true.

328 was when Staeg first got a wagon consisting of Espionage, Maria, and Muffin. 425 is a VC showing both the Dunn and Staeg wagons consisting of an equal number of players.

[AnonymousGhost]

Well... that explains the Astrological Events shtick that Fate talked about in the /in to Mod thing.

[AnonymousGhost]

Spoiler: reasons why I'm scummy according to LLD and DGB

Ghost's response(124) to Kuribo's threat(44) is weak and feels very much like they know that backing down from Kuribo there gets them hung, but they don't know how to properly play it out, so they went for the classic "I don't care". It looks like they care. A lot. I don't like it.

As for today's lynch, we're not lynching claimed Masons.

Maria, you said Dunn is town. What percentage is that? Give me a number. And maybe some words on why?

I think we're supposed to lynch AG today, their posting still looks like scum

Staeg/Nacho/Kuribo/Maria/DGB/Mollie

Not lynching any of those today. Everything else is fair game, but honestly not interested in lynching Muffin.

Espeonage has not really improved since I kind of ignored him for other more blatant things.

Feysal is the same story... people kind of cut me at the knees from putting pressure there

Camn/Kats isn't so much scummy as this is well within their scum range. Recent Camn posting suggests they're not obvious town, but,,,,, ok my point from very early remains I'll lynch this slot basically any day because it's statistically correct.

AG still pings me based on their reactions to other players. Some have said they look town. Why?

AGhost is scummy. Probably spent more time on the garbage below than hunting scum. I see no actual scumhunting.

bunch of gifs that ruin the spoiler tag

[AnonymousGhost]

@Muffin - Can we talk about the Masons' Moon claims (Hades & Aphrodite) for a bit?

Just comparing the Sun/Moon aspect to my own role PM and Kuribo's claim (Gemini/Capricorn), I'm kinda wondering if the Greek God claims are legit.

ATM Kuribo is solidified as lock town due to that Sun/Moon aspect of his claim and how it's strictly from Western Astrology.

[AnonymousGhost]

Digging deeper into research shows that a Hades Moon is basically a Scorpio Moon (Pluto) and an Aphrodite Moon is associated with Taurus (Venus). This probably means nothing and I probably wasted my time looking it up. :/

[AnonymousGhost]

thoughts Muffin?

FYI... I'm going to be ISO'ing Cam, so if my responses are a little delayed then that's why. Not ignoring you, I promise. :3

[AnonymousGhost]

So, I started out with a Camn ISO and this spiraled into a whole boatload of work cause it's that time of the day when I need to reevaluate my reads. Yippee~

Haha.

Not

.

Anyway, I took a look at Camn and then compared that to both Dunn's and Muffin's case on them and I don't see it.

Camn's Scum!Dunn Case - 713
Kuribo's Scum!Dunn Case in a Nutshell - 1145

I took a look at Dunn's ISO (twice), one with Kuribo and the other with Camn and just like before, the points aren't sticking FMPOV (the shade and bait). I don't think that two out of the three points (AtE and lack of civility) in Kuribo's case are good reasons to scum read Dunn.

Outside of all that, I actively searched his ISO for reasons that he [Dunn] could be scum and I could only come up with two:

The whole taking my "side" when Pixie and I were having the argument from Page 28 to 33 (pocketing which is self explanatory) and then 1133 where he tells LLD that he's going to "spend all of day 2 pushing you [her]". Both pieces are flimsy, but the second is especially because I've seen other people make references to D2 with a lot of confidence that they're not going to be NK'd in this very game. On the other hand, I know that this 'slip in time' is also something newbie scum tend to fall into - so it's a valid tell to use.

Is Dunn a newb? No. And the fact that I'm aware that other people have made this same 'slip' (Kuribo, I think. FYI this isn't fact checked ATM) and, in Kuribo's case, I have him as town and he's definitely not a newb.

TL;DR - The scum cases on Camn and Dunn aren't convincing me to scum on either player. Dunn = Town and Camn = Null, so no vote from me.

[AnonymousGhost]

Noise Ration is high, reactions are poor, general gut.

:MAKES GOLDFISH NOISES:

>:3p

[AnonymousGhost]

I think these Mason claims are BS by virtue of knowing Kuribo's flavor claim combo of his Sun and Moon sign, Muffin's claim that his role has nothing to do with Greek Gods, and the fact that when I compare the Moon flavor aspect of both Masons to Kuribo and my Moon flavor and how the latter two are both from Western Astrology. Kuribo's solidly town at this point, so I'm trusting his Moon flavor claim more than Muffin's ATM.

TL;DR

- I'm beyond skeptical. I still want my Staeg lynch to literally

just

confirm that this isn't some fake claim BS made by desperate scum to not eat the D1 lynch. If you can't tell by this point, these are the two players that I

never

want to see reach LyLo,

especially not together.

Is this stupid and anti-town?

Oh yes it is

~ >:3

Am I going to get a Staeg lynch today? Probably not. :l

My logic is if the following things

are all true

: Kuribo's sheer power, if he's town, these Mason claims, and if Staeg eats the D1 lynch (thus flipping town), scum have two choices between killing Kuribo - who, as far as they know, could become their worst nightmare - OR kill the now confirmed Mason that the town could rally and build a town block around.

Both of these things could spell trouble for scum in the long term for reasons that should be self-explanatory. Scum ultimately have to make a hard choice and place their bets that there aren't any protective roles in the game that stand a good chance of targeting between Kuribo and the remaining Mason.

[AnonymousGhost]

I mean, my role/sign has nothing to do with greek gods either, but we know that mafia have fake claims 100% from earlier, so either this is what the mod provided as scum fake claims, it's their actual roles, or they decided to claim greek gods instead of cosmic stuff. I'm seriously doubting that last one because why would they fake claim greek gods if it doesn't match the flavor at all? There's probably something we're missing that connects their flavor to this game

@Dunn - That's my point. We don't know if they're lying or telling the truth ATM.

[AnonymousGhost]

I double check the sample role PM just now and the Sun + Moon combo are strictly from Western Astrology.

[AnonymousGhost]

Pluto is also connected to Scorpio. It'd make much more sense if that was the claim, not these Greek Gods.

[AnonymousGhost]

And Aphrodite is connected to Venus which is related to Taurus.

[AnonymousGhost]

If these Greek God claims are just another way to say your Moon sign, why not go with that if they're scum? I've said it before but I'm saying it again that the sample role PM provides the town flavor for a town player.

[AnonymousGhost]

:p

I'm going to give my brain a break. I'm in tunnel mode which is stupid.

Gonna go at this game from a different angle tomorrow.

[AnonymousGhost]

I will do down with my ship~

[AnonymousGhost]

And regardless of the Greek or Roman mythology, they're still a round about way for claiming Scorpio and Taurus, respectively. That's the part I'm hung up on.

[AnonymousGhost]

they are self resolving unless they have a janitor or something but there still ways for town to outplay that.

this is unreal

I'd rather resolve them now versus taking either to LyLo and indadvertantly turning it into a debate over WIFOM Role Play instead of a combo of day night and night play. I think they're the perfect lynch right now because we can confirm this early in the game and the scum NK stands a chance of being focused on the two claimed roles, so it's basically no huge loss if we sacrifice a mason just to get that confirmation.

[AnonymousGhost]

/shrug/

[AnonymousGhost]

can I have a list from you of your reads on all of the players in the game? ty

Town

[Kuribo]

[Muffin, Maria, Dunn, DGB, Pixie]

[Camn, LLD, Kokichi] - Null

[Feysal, Esp, the "Masons" Staega and Nacho]

Scum

[AnonymousGhost]

I find LLD's scum read of me to be something that'd come from town, especially since she's consistently held onto it throughout this entire game so far. Going against the curve/majority isn't a behavior I usually associate with scum because it's a lot easier for them to blend into the background.

[AnonymousGhost]

Feysal, on the other hand, is someone I'm sus of because he's following an established pattern that has been set by a majority e.g. has me as a town read (Dunn and Maria are the only two peeps that I know, off the top of my head, had a town read on me). The other two parts of 995 (sus of Dunn and agreed with consensus on Staeg's bad turnaround on Dunn) haven't been fact checked yet, but I think that both things fall into that same pattern.

[AnonymousGhost]

VOTE: Feysal

feysal (4): LLD, Maria, Pixie, Ghost

7 to Lynch. July 15 = D1 Deadline

[AnonymousGhost]

Maria and Kuribo's bigus dickus contest over who knows me more ending in a draw makes me feel they're both town. Or both scum? I don't see that interaction coming from TvS and them both being scum doesn't fit what I'm feeling in gut soooooooooooooooo call them both town.

Does this seem weird to anybody?

@Dun

DGB pointed this out in this post.

[AnonymousGhost]

so your solution is to lynch 1 of them? are you freaking kidding me?

Nope.

^^^ this is why this thing shld not be endgamed whatsoever. they gonna make us lose and I think that their push on the mason claim is scummy af.

Then I guess it's a good thing that I don't care if I reach end game. :3p

[AnonymousGhost]

If both of the Masons reach LyLo and I don't, I'd be okay with that. This way I don't need to wade through all the paranoia of masons be fake claiming scum or not conversation that would probably happen in this scenario.

[AnonymousGhost]

Cause it wouldn't be my problem anymore~ :3

[AnonymousGhost]

Kokichi - I think you have me confused for someone else. This is the only other game I've played with you.

Pedit: Yes. Camntsuki = Katsuki

[AnonymousGhost]

No, I'm not Pirate Mollie.

[AnonymousGhost]

That's PixieCollective.

[AnonymousGhost]

I was very confused when you said you'd played with me as scum before. X3

[AnonymousGhost]

Town

[Kuribo]

[Muffin, Maria, Dunn, DGB, Pixie]

[Camn, LLD, Kokichi] - Null

[Feysal, Esp, the "Masons" Staega and Nacho]

Scum

@Kokichi

[AnonymousGhost]

Desperate scum.

The flavor of their Moon signs doesn't match to the town sample role PM, Kuribo's claim, and my own role PM - all of which have the Sun and Moon Signs as Western Astrology, not Greek/Roman Gods. The fact that their claims involve Gods pings me as a fake claim.

[AnonymousGhost]

It's weak but I'm sticking to it.

I don't believe that all the town PMs would be different, especially with something so small.

The advantage to fake claiming masons is that they buy themselves more time.

[AnonymousGhost]

@Kokichi - This post explains my scum case on Staeg. The Mason thing is the only thing I scum read Nacho for.

[AnonymousGhost]

Anyone who is town should be able to know that this role PM is off a bit. Correct? That should prove I'm town

Some of the sample role PM is out of order.

[AnonymousGhost]

I've done this myself more than once so...

Would you like to be the apples or the oranges? Because comparing your scum meta to mine is weak and you know it.

[AnonymousGhost]

And that's all folks:

Feyysal: Maria, AnonymousGhost, DGB, Kuribo, Camn, LLD, Dunn, Kokichi <- Hammer

[AnonymousGhost]

In a game with 14 people, 7 isn't a majority because a majority is "the greater part/more than half".

[AnonymousGhost]

Feysal. I never switched off when the Kokichi wagon gained traction.

[AnonymousGhost]

@Pixie

And that's all folks:

Feyysal: Maria, AnonymousGhost, DGB, Kuribo, Camn, LLD, Dunn, Kokichi <- Hammer

Muffin's on Cupcake. 1167
Esp's on Steag. 94
Fey's on Esp. 152
Nacho's on Kokichi. 1130
Staeg's on Kokichi. 1380
Pixie on Kokichi. 1376

[AnonymousGhost]

That last VC is also 20+ pages old.

I ISO'd these people and looked for the very last vote they posted.

[AnonymousGhost]

Pixie - Esp requested replacement.

[AnonymousGhost]

I really want an I told you so moment.

But

Pls replace me

[AnonymousGhost]

Pixie - Esp requested replacement.

if some1 happens to vig casper I won't cry

I promise

If someone Vig kills me, I'll probably laugh.

[AnonymousGhost]

Not at all!

Do you remember how you said that investigative roles could solve the Mason problem?

[AnonymousGhost]

Feet first chikadees~

My Sign Combo is Scorpio/Virgo = The Sleuth

I'm essentially a Weakened Tracker, in that I will Follow anyone who targets me during the Night Phase. It only now occurs to me that I should've asked if this result can stack e.g. if multiple people target, would I get multiple results (probably not - but it'd be cool if that were the case).

Anyway, if I'm not targeted by anyone during the Night, my Track goes through.

[AnonymousGhost]

Anyway... camntsuki... I'm not going to pretend that I'm

following

their posts. I'd rather lynch in my lynch pool than begin to lynch outside of it.

VOTE: Steag

I admit I haven't been keeping

track

of what LLD has been doing besides that post that DGB dissected.

@LLD

- What are your reads on the players that you mentioned in 163 i.e. Maria, Kuribo, Katsuki/Camn hydra, Staeg, and Esp?

Yum yum~ Bread crumbs~

[AnonymousGhost]

Here's the thing I'm worried about if I announce my target...

If we have no protective roles or if scum get lucky and somehow prevent that protective from working, then scum could kill me and frame whomever my announced target was - and maybe tricking you peeps to believe that "Ghost died! Her target must've been scum!" when they really aren't.

Admittedly, a claim at L-1 could prevent that.. So maybe I'm excessively paranoid.

Hmm.

I'll go with excessively paranoid!

[AnonymousGhost]

There's also the possibility that I announce my target and they're scum and - just in case - they choose not to perform the NK that night, thereby tricking me with a false positive. Provided that I'm not targeted by anyone else during that Night phase. :thinks:

[AnonymousGhost]

There's so much paranoia! I love it! >w<

[AnonymousGhost]

That's right.

Pedit: @Kokichi - Cause I didn't want a possible Vig to kill me and then get blamed for it, and thus possibly get lynched for it.

[AnonymousGhost]

That's right.

Pedit: @Kokichi - Cause I didn't want a possible Vig to kill me and then get blamed for it, and thus possibly get lynched for it.

[AnonymousGhost]

Oops.

[AnonymousGhost]

Didn't mean to double post that.

[AnonymousGhost]

You should target me AG and you keep a secret until day 3

I like secrets~ But I don't know if I'll be alive by then. :[

[AnonymousGhost]

It now occurs to me that I've made their job [a protective role] - if they exist to begin with - much harder since they now have to juggle between so many PRs.

My bad. I'm sorry ahead of time if this causes you stress! D:

[AnonymousGhost]

Dead PTs are one of the top reasons why I sign up for games. XD

[AnonymousGhost]

WATCH DUNNS BE OUR ONLY PROTECTIVE ROLE LOL

Speculating on PRs - especially those kinds - is scummy.

[AnonymousGhost]

Actually combining that with the fact that you admitted that you can control votes makes me doubt my town read on you. Kuribo's my strongest TR and if he can exert that much control over the lynch as he claims he could do, why would the town need someone who can control someone else's vote if Kuribo's role exists? Feels redundant.

[AnonymousGhost]

Vote/Elect:

Kuribo

Got my track result. Wasn't targeted, otherwise I'd have a Follow Result instead.

[AnonymousGhost]

Whomever is elected will have the power to eliminate a single player. This will end the day if on scum.

:thinks:

[AnonymousGhost]

If it wasn't clear already, the VC isn't set as a lynch.

Rather, we're voting for someone to become a Day Vigilante, hence the VC title "DAYVIG VC".

[AnonymousGhost]

So wait... If scum gets elected does that mean that they become that Day Vig and thus kill a townie? Or do they not become a Day Vig and instead get the ability to end the day phase immediately? Cause the second option would basically give ever us a guilty on whomever got elected.

[AnonymousGhost]

Rereading that post, it sounds like the majority only has one shot - pun completely intended - to elect "the Leo King" (not Kings!), so I'm assuming that a town Day Vig would be a one shot (little OP if it was more than that).

[AnonymousGhost]

I'm assuming that if a town was made the Leo King, we'd still have time to "direct" the shot (aka discuss who should eat a Day Vig). It'd be like a lynch except the majority's been reached and only one person can make the kill but they can presumably could use the entire day to decide if they (the Leo King) needs to.

[AnonymousGhost]

[AnonymousGhost]

@DGB - unless I'm way behind on my wiki reading, a RB's NK would completely stop the shot from killing the target. This delayed kill sounds more like a Poisoner than anything else.

[AnonymousGhost]

Axk. That was supposed to be a 'd', not an 's' after RB.

[AnonymousGhost]

Delayed kill? What did I miss?

A Poisoner hits a target N1 and they die N2, basically.

[AnonymousGhost]

I received information during the night: a lone line of text saying "Multiball"

Was it a msg or mod conf info

@Dunn

[AnonymousGhost]

NVM. Saw your answer in the next post. Missed it the first time.

[AnonymousGhost]

??!?!?!?!?!

[AnonymousGhost]

Don't tell me we have to vote for someone else in order to get Kuribo elected.

[AnonymousGhost]

And apparently my vote doesn't exist either.

[AnonymousGhost]

UNVOTE:

So... what's the plan? Play musical vote, wait till we get a VC, see who our votes

actually elect

, and then go from there when we discover who Kuribo's "secretly" disguised as?

[AnonymousGhost]

Vote/Elect: zMuffinMan

Pedit: Fair enough. The problem is figuring out if our votes have been tampered with.

Edit-Edit: NVM. Mod updated the VC. :3 No musical chairs shenanigans~ YAY~

[AnonymousGhost]

UNVOTE: zMuffinMan

VOTE: Kuribo

[AnonymousGhost]

I can conf I was killed not once but twice

That - and rereading your conversation with Kuribo - clarifies things.

/tosses out poisoner theory/

[AnonymousGhost]

what does rereading the convo between maria and kuribo and maria have to do with whether or not maria is poisoner?

I first thought Maria had been poisoned - since she's talking to us despite being killed because poison victims act in a similar manner (it's just a matter of time before she "truly" dies and can't talk), but upon rereading the conversation between her and Kuribo, I realized that she's basically a tree stump and

that's

why she's able to talk, not because she's been poisoned.

[AnonymousGhost]

we ought to be looking at who maria was suspecting yesterday

Or we could just ask her? She can still talk to us.

@Maria

- Can you give us a list of who you suspected yesterday?

[AnonymousGhost]

I can confrim this game is multiball I had a 1 shot vest as well and I got killed through it

This means I was killed by 2 things

or it means you were killed by a strongman
which is strange either way

What's strange about the Strongman theory is the question of why the Mafia would use it before they had a need to use it.

[AnonymousGhost]

I cld see dunns nking maria especially if the nk was connected to the treestump (which I think it is).

Nah. He didn't take an action last night.

[AnonymousGhost]

Got it! Thanks Maria!

[AnonymousGhost]

despite them saying that they are new they don't strike me as new.

Okay.... Hold up.

I've never

once

said I was new

or

used it as an excuse for my anti-town behavior (obviously wanting to lynch a claimed mason being the "most heinous"). I even brought up a scum game when I was talking to Feysal about behavioral theory referring to scum tells! ISO'ing myself the only time I use the word 'new' is when I'm talking about the theory (980, 1135, & 1213).

You wanna run this tape again and back up your claim about my 'newness'?

[AnonymousGhost]

I'm not tossing out the theory that she wasn't targeted by two kill abilities. I'm misunderstood how she was able to still speak to us (poisoned victims can typically do stuff till the next Night phase and then they kick the bucket). Knowing she's a tree stump is making me push my poisoner theory to the back burner.

[AnonymousGhost]

DGB did target you Feysal and she claimed that her role either role locks or redirects the target's ability depending on their role.

[AnonymousGhost]

edirected to Dunns rather

So he didn't send a kill.

I can confirm this. Dunn didn't take any action last night.

[AnonymousGhost]

oh. lol. You were referring to Feysal.

[AnonymousGhost]

Kuribo was already hammered by Pixie to be Leo King on the last page.

[AnonymousGhost]

I just checked.