Open 726 - Revenge of the Vengeful (Endgame)

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Day 1 when

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Pretty sure keerigan is town

Why did you vote him enigma

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What if he's genuinely frustrated by getting scumread all the time as town?

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Hmm

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Marshmallow what is your homesite?

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NVM I found you.

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Kinda think enigma and mm are both town

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Hi

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Would you have preferred if I scumread you?

I mostly see openers like that coming from town.

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Ftr I figured out sc2mafia from your first post where you called things S-FMs because I have an account there.

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Frustration with being boated all the time felt genuine

Him never in any completed games having rolled town here is odd though

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You see an opener like that and you expect to find a recent possibly ongoing game where the person was lynched for shit reasons and that obviously does not exist here (note that I make no comment on any ongoings).

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Possibly

I'm not decided on them

Why trinity?

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VOTE: icemanch

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Why @62

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Enigma isn't trinity

Did u call me a noob almost51 you chinsy motherfucker

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Also, I can state Trinity is a quite strong townread for me.

Did you mean enigma here?

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I miss the spam meta this game is jejune

NM do you have any thoughts on the game

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It was a very strange vote on me

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k at this point can we agree that nm and iceman are ISPing and that something should be done about it?

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insufficient participation

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what are your reads on people in the game?

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is your play this game to scumclaim so that you can get lynched and remove me from the game?

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Slightly better feels.about her two posts than anything from the others

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/shrug

I personally like oath, maybe that biases me.

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VOTE: NM

this is the lynch today unless we want to lynch someone else and leash the venge there.

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we're using the full 14 days though

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Ok so the play here isn't to lynch the scummiest person, it's to lynch the second scummiest person and have them venge the scummiest person

it would add a lot of equity if we can get rid of scum without giving them a vengekill

lynching scum gives them a vig and win equities out like a normal mafia game
lynching town gives us a vig and win equities out like nightless

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do you even venge the second scummiest person though

like I think there's an argument to be made for lynching people as close to null as possible and venging downward

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you actually lynch the fourth scummiest

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this is actually pretty fascinating

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MM why am I high town if you thought I was forced and potentially buddying you?
that description really doesn't sound like someone you're townreading

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idk generally scum don't -all- lurk generally when you get a lurker scumteam there's one scum in the actives serving as the face
i would say there's probably 2 scum lurking in {nm/iceman/trinity/oath} and one scum in the active players
kind of leaning towards MM because of various reasons

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fourth scummiest isn't obvtown...?

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i mean if it is it's gonna be an easy game

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because you want the highest odds of a townflip on a person that you want dead before start of day 3

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because you want to kill the 4 scummiest people before day 3
and lynching 4th scummiest lets you have the highest odds of a townflip while still fulfilling that objective

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we're leashing the vengekills

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Why oath over NM?

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VOTE: Trinity

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pretty sure you're both scum and hopping on the oath wagon to get a non-NM lynch through

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obviously I'll go back to NM if it happens but you're scum as well so.

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ehh

for the record I just got annoyed that you were voting for oath and knee jerk called you scum, after review I tentatively think that you're town. you need to do more though.

can you give me like a readslist with reasons?

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so I'll just assume trinity's town even if that's not fully supported, I think I'll figure it out
RC's town
enigma's town

Don't have a super strong reason to townread Oath but suspect they're town by wagon composition

iffy on iceman but their entrance was okay I guess
A50 I think is sliightly above rand to be town? bu

that leaves

MM
NM
Rei

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okay so NM/MM is two scum

Pretty sure keerigan is town

Why did you vote him enigma

Because his first post is to set up a defence for when he gets accused later in game
tbh woulda done it regardless of his RV

"but guayyys im behaving scummy not because im scum but but but because its how i always play"

How are you so sure he is town already from just one post?

he's only played a few games, have a look at his flips?

VOTE: Not_Mafia

0 mention of NM, then votes him. RVS, sure, but high equity to be a SvS interaction. He never addresses it again.

[quote\]However, the fact that he searched for me is quite townish... but again, we must not read for activity[/quote]

This is pretty fucking strange: why would I have bothered to search for him. This isn't a question of reading for activity, it's a question of the fact that it's something I have literally no motivation to do as scum besides to fake my towngame.
writing it off as activity is scum handwaving a reason to townread me.

Her vote on NM seems a bit empty
I don't see her posting anything else either
trying to get her to engage more I guess

N_M neither though ^^

next mention of N_M and it implies that NM is empty and not engaging but makes no effort to follow it up

Wait, no. It doesn't because you did not even refer to what you meant. Unless you intentionally made a double edged question...

this is still ick

Why I townread RC but wonder if he didn't try to buddy me? Because he's right, but he saw only a half of the post (As did Enigma, but I do not believe it has a strong scum use). He said it looked like genuine anger, and he's right, because it took a long long time on my homesite for people to accept my style, even as town. However, I worded that in a so scummy way that I thought he would at least MENTION it was scummy. Idk, I'm not saying he should've scumread me for it, but maybe... express an healthy amount of suspicion towards a genuine-scummy post? I still townread him though.

this is again awful
if he thinks that he was genuinely scummy and that I called him scum regardless then he should have a problem with that. lack of healthy amount of suspicion towards a genuinely scummy post is something you should be worried about it
this is again another part where the way he talks about his read on me should be a scumread but he ends up saying that he townreads me in spite of it

NM comes in, continues to do absolutely nothing

Someone please give an award to RC who got N_M to post serious stuff. That seriously deserves a medal. @N_M, reads yet? What do you think about me?

I am asking this question to everyone btw. Please answer.

this is a really bad post, way he singles out nm feels kind of bad but the extending it to everyone gives definite gut vibes that he's trying to not make NM look different in his ISO from other people

also really the whole 'I was intentionally scummy' makes a lot more sense as scum who just thinks that they were scummy and is repeatedly trying to make an excuse for it than as town who was intentionally acting scummy for reasons that make no sense

Not_Mafia. He's not different from the games I've played with him, and he was town in every of them. Slight slight slight townish lean.

townread on NM is cmoplete garbage.

In post 139, Not_Mafia wrote:
Snore
Care to defend yourself?

weird post

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why is he asking someone that he supposedly townreads to defend themselves?

Tbh, I agree with you... Since scum have a perma chat, they can plan during day. It's not like normal setups where D1 is the 14 first days where scum don't have any coordination.

I think the odds of him actually making this post as town are super super low, I don't think newbies generally think a lot about hwether scum have daychat or not

You can't leash someone when there's no consequences to them not following through with the plan

I agree with N_M

again the setting up venge chains order is super, super, super protown and increases town equity a ridiculous amount
who are the two people in this game who try to discourage us from setting up venge chains so that we can prevent scum from getting nightkills? these two.

Tomorrow I'll explain y'all the reasons of my strategy. If you're town, you should probably convince us you are. And if you're scum, you should try to lie!

I can't put anything to this that anyone would understand but I think this post is extremely scum indicative

re

You read N_M in the same way that you read Almost50??

what's with the focus on the NM read? Why does NM come up so disproporitonately often for someone who is barely in the game

Right now, I have doubts on N_M. He actually contributed, which is against his town meta... I've never seen him play scum, but does someone know if he acts more contributive as town or scum, or if it's NAI?

and again another terribly svs interaction: his rationale is basically that NM is scummy because they actually posted but instead of following up on that he immediately goes to other people to try to get them to dissuade him

Well, half of N_M's posts were about ISP term, but he actually expressed a legitimate concern about leashing vengekills, which is 100% right. He doesn't feel like the previous games I played with him. Unless it's because I'm town now o.0

yeah ok

VOTE: Oath

If we are not using any strategy to votes/veng kills then I think we need to put pressure on Oath. Only three posts and zero content.

@Oath what are your reads? What do you think of the current game state?

I agree. VOTE: Oath Btw you have gained town points for your stream of posts. I'll post another list of reads tomorrow... with simple colors

Why oath over NM?

Why N_M over Oath? Why this post?? Potential association here (not meaning I don't townread you)

votes the counterwagon to NM despite having just claimed NM as a scumread then tries to call me out for me asking him why he voted oath instead of answering

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i go to bed now tho

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but uh yeah

I'm also going to strongly advocate that we lynch -neither- of them and instead lynch a partner read and have them venge one if we're town so that we don't give scum nightkills

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the point of his play is to get the venge off on me and you're enabling it by not lynching someone else and having them venge him.

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the point of his play is to get the venge off on me and you're enabling it by not lynching someone else and having them venge him.

What makes you think that? I don't see the train of thoughts behind this statement.

NM is doing nothing to make sur he gets the vengekill and then gets to remove me r om the game and play 2v5

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If NM has good reads then he shouldnt be scumreading me

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VOTE: NM

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I don't want to Lynch Trinity

I'll vote basically anyone else

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She gutreads town to me

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And I don't have a whole lot of people I'm actually townreading in this lobby

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VOTE: Rei

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except for the fact that trinity is one of two people who is in contention to bring to endgame and I don't want to lynch them

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venge is on one of NM/MM if we flip town

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you loved my father, I know, but so did I.

That makes us brothers, doesn't it.

Smile for me now brother.

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so you think that someone is scum, but they threaten to vengekill you

now they're scum so they'd be making whatever the highest equity play is anyway

but you don't want to lynch them because they're going to venge you, IF they're town?

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we should vengekill NM if we miss and hit town

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N_M and RC is probably TvS

VOTE: Rei

This makes no sense? You state it's TvS then vote someone else??

N_M and RC is probably TvS

Vote RC with me then

N_M and RC is probably TvS

Vote RC with me then

How do I know your not mafia?

HMMMMMMMMMMM......... I had a strange gut read on RC at beginning, he got a worldwide townread and disappeared.... HMMMMMMMMM....................... I'm tempted to actually follow N_M on that one

This is scum with NM: one of these two clowns is the vengeful today.

Also your rationale that I would put in the time to get town read as scum and not actually follow through assumed that I'm a bronze tier scum player.

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Idrc who we Lynch

Venge NM

He flips scum I call Lynch and vengeful tomorrow
He flips town, I'll vengeful tomorrow but I call the next Lynch as well

Problem solved

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VOTE: oath

Go for it

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I believe in you

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ty for carryinhg me a50

sorry i didnt try

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Can we erase most of pages 23 through 29 for obvious reasons

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in scum pt

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at that point we might as well just not even open the scum thread