Micro 810: lovers mafia BTMPWTMAATSGATAPSIAWT [game over]

[Pine]

Present

[Pine]

Ausuka, this is a Micro. Please remember that every vote matters a lot.

Also hi! Haven't played with you in a bit.

[Pine]

It's been like, less than fifteen minutes. If anything, it's kind of evidence against him being scum, because xyzzy may have had to wait on scum decisions to open thread.

So

Get rekt

[Pine]

Suspicion Ausuka. Not a fan of her readiness to quickwagon.

[Pine]

...It's possible I'm conflating disparate things.

[Pine]

My ouija board says Math is Town here

[Pine]

My ouija board says Math is Town here

Mine says you are town

Funny. It’s a bit skeptical of you.

[Pine]

Yeaaaaah thirsty scum is thirsty. Wants that easy lowhanging fruit.

VOTE: Ausuka

Oh. Well then, I guess we lynch Ausuka or RedFlavor D2.

[Pine]

Bite me, Miltank

But you’re right about RF I think

Are you not hammered?

[Pine]

Sorry my bad

VOTE: RedFlavor

[Pine]

It shouldn't be a crime to watch anime.

But it should be shamed.

[Pine]

That's....waaay too scummy to be scumDino

Also provable randomness is usually illegal?

[Pine]

Oh

Okay then! I didn't know those things

I was already on Ausuka, so you're welcome to join.

[Pine]

why are you on redflavor

Because I am forgetful.

VOTE: Ausuka

[Pine]

Honestly it's a pretty solid scum strategy. You have an 80% chance of having an unassailable vote on Town.

I think you believe in it though, which is what matters.

[Pine]

I'm willing to compromise. Nico is not an optimal lynch, but it's better than nothing.

[Pine]

I'm not willing to compromise at all. Get the fuck in here and lynch Ausuka ffs.

Kinda want to lynch Math for this. Unwillingness to compromise is not sitting well with me.

[Pine]

I'm not willing to compromise at all. Get the fuck in here and lynch Ausuka ffs.

Kinda want to lynch Math for this. Unwillingness to compromise is not sitting well with me.

Obv talking about D2, not a flashwagon with no time left.

[Pine]

Screw that. Compromise lynches are fundamentally non-random. The only way they can go through is if scum agree to be a part of it. Unless there's the rare situation in which all players available to compromise are town and somehow the lynch is on town.
In other words, in asking me to compromise on Nico, you're asking me to believe that the entire town is {Ausuka, N_M, Pine, Mathdino}.

No, if Nico is possible to lynch, that heavily indicates town to me.

Non-random lynches in this setup are HIGHLY likely to land on town because of that extra control scum have, given that they can just stonewall a lynch.

I want my random lynch. N_M not hammering is problematic as fuck.

What I'm ASKING is to not have the entire town lose half a point. I'd rather mislynch and give it another shot D2 than have that happen.

Your aversion to this is concerning.

Oh yeah the random thing

Random lynching is against the spirit of the game, we might as well just not play

Thank you for finding the words to contextualize my instinctive aversion to that strategy. It's...unsportsmanlike.

[Pine]

Yes it does matter if we lose half a point. This is a series of nine games. Given that the trend will be to flatten everyone out to some average number over the course of that many iterations, half a point will matter for the long game.

Stop thinking with your RNG.

[Pine]

I don't agree with your assessment. It assumes that everyone follows the strategy, and everyone follows the same roll. The fact that you're the only one inclined to do so invalidates the strategy. Period.

Also Ausuka not self-hammering at EOD is absolutely a scumclaim.

Never mind, ninjaed. Please follow through if you want to retain credibility, Ausuka.

[Pine]

nico/red works yeah

i'm internally flip flopping on whether to go through with this tbh

I'm down for a flashwagon.

Ausuka is coming off as Town.

[Pine]

FUCK IT

I'll be active to EOD

VOTE: Nico

[Pine]

I think pulling off of Ausuka was a mistake. She was up, and talked us into a Townie. That there was never a hammer there is looking really shady in retrospect. Not liking the way she pivoted, either.

VOTE: Ausuka

Willing to bet the game on this.

[Pine]

What's there to not hammer? No one's at L-1.

Not really current yet. Busy day.

[Pine]

There's nothing to hammer.

You're kind of making shit up at this point, and it's making me think Ausuka/Mathdino.

[Pine]

Oh I'd really rather not. Suuuuper not a fan of self-hammering like that.

[Pine]

Sigh

Bring on Game 2 I guess

[Pine]

In which case Red was a choice.

I disagree with a whole bunch of your EOD logic.

[Pine]

Harrumph.

[Pine]

Not upset, really. That just went from winnable to lost in a big lazy hurry.

Hammer testing people like that is really risky. You essentially repeatedly gambled the game on people being Town and got lucky that NM and I weren’t around to take advantage.

[Pine]

Fuck you motherfucker

VOTE: NM

[Pine]

What the ass is this

[Pine]

There's nothing to hammer

Again

[Pine]

Intent to vote Mathdino

That comes off as LAMIST

[Pine]

Dude the point is that there's a crossvote in lylo
Lack of a quickhammer confirms scum between the two
And confirms that I'm not scum with you

I literally did the exact same last game
Do you still not understand how lylos work

Do you still not understand that it’s three to lynch?

You can’t post “not hammering” at someone L-2 and expect to get (or give) Towncred.

This comes off as really artificial from you.

[Pine]

Well, Ausuka's partner can't be me and mine can't be Ausuka, since we wouldn't have voted each other if that were the case, so one of you three has to be a second scum with one of us.

This strikes me as really fucking wolfy.

Kinda suspicious of {Nico, Ausuka} now

[Pine]

Wait I'm an idiot they're the crossvotes. Need to rethink that

[Pine]

VOTE: Mathdino

[Pine]

That's still not how confirming Town works

[Pine]

Crossvotes only work in 3p LYLO. This is 5p. Coordinating a quickhammer with a partner is harder than it looks. You're frivolously clearing people, and working this angle way too hard. It does not work that way.

[Pine]

I'm not a moron. I've done that many, many times. My only point is that it is far harder to actually coordinate a quick hammer than you're making it out to be.

[Pine]

Mathdino + {Ausuka, Nico}

Not sure which of the latter, voting the one actively spouting bullshit.

[Pine]

Because I'm not sure Nico is scum. Stop putting words in my mouth.

[Pine]

*checks role PM*

Nnnnnnope. Still Town.

[Pine]

I don’t do LAMIST. I was mocking Math.

[Pine]

Ugh fine.

I can look into Ausuka vs Nico.

[Pine]

Im gonna be voting unless
Nico, why I should not vote you?

So no chance of going for Pine?

I'm mainly just afraid of a Pine/Ausuka pairing here. Haven't quite ruled that out.

This practically shouts Mathdino/Nico, ftr.

[Pine]

Actually, in reviewing Nico, her only substantive contributions to Game 2 have been her naked votes. That’s minimalist scum.

I’ll vote now, for two reasons. One, I want to assure RF that I’m not hedging my bets here, I’m willing to take the risk on him. Two, if I’m wrong about Nico, it doesn’t matter whether RF hammers or Math, and I’d rather get it over with if I’m wrong.

Between games, when no one is either scum or Town, we need to have a discussion of tactics. The bullshit Math is pushing is bad Townplay, and he’s done it now as both Town and scum.

VOTE: Nico

[Pine]

We can talk about it between games.

Lack of hammer confirms Math/Nico.

THAT, by the way, is how you confirm something. L-1, not L-2.

[Pine]

pine knows i don't lie about strategy or mechanics as scum. we've talked about this on discord. and WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT IN BETWEEN GAMES.

What the fuck? No we didn't.

And I don't think you're lying about mechanics, I think you're honestly wrong about strategy. Again, you've pushed this bullshit L-2 clearing thing twice now, and at least the first time you were Town. It just plain doesn't work the way you're talking about!

[Pine]

And at this point, Math is just trying to lobby RF instead of actually engaging me.

Also, another nonsense thing - he's sarcastically talking about how I had "suspiciously perfect reads" this game, but ignoring the fact that I was wrongly on NM. He's flailing really hard to distract from a scummy partner.

PE: I'm not voting you on policy. Don't put words in my mouth AGAIN. I voted you because spewing bullshit is scummy.

[Pine]

I don't see any semblance of a point there.

[Pine]

Okay

Game is over, no angles.

You have *got* to stop giving people clears when they get one vote on them. Yeah, scum could coordinate a quickhammer, but ONLY if it's TvT, and ONLY if they can find time to be on together. That's sometimes like pulling teeth. It simply isn't reliable.

So it's soft confirmation at best. The only way to be sure is at L-1 when someone declines to hammer, and then you are very much risking the game on it.

[Pine]

How about you actually say something?

[Pine]

VOTE: NM

You know that's bananas suspicious, right?

[Pine]

VOTE: NM

You know that's bananas suspicious, right?

I'm not voting you. Talk.

[Pine]

No, I was specifically using the fact that your allegation didn't apply to me to leverage it into moving you off of self-pity.

So talk about something other than yourself please.

UNVOTE:

NM vote was a little meme-y. Not ready to put down a real one, though Math is a solid candidate for that naked vote.

[Pine]

How dare you!

[Pine]

Gasp

[Pine]

Yeaaaaah, that looked really scumzor opportunistic.

VOTE: Nico

[Pine]

Ausuka you should hammer Nico.

[Pine]

Also good.

GG?

[Pine]

Well you can gtfo

I'm finally Town and I'm not going to squander it being lynched

[Pine]

Pine has been mafia like everytime I think he is mafia again

Yeah, that kind of Gambler's Fallacy logic is exactly what I don't like.

[Pine]

Yeah that's not lamist. It's a statement of fact.

Lamist is when someone naively asks "is there scum daytalk" and such. Going out of their way to fake a towntell.

[Pine]

Ehhhh he looks Townie enough to me.

[Pine]

I'm fine with him for now.

D1 was pretty low-information. Right now I'm really only sour on RF and you a bit.

[Pine]

Fuck this

VOTE: RedFlavor

Fite me

[Pine]

NM/RF, maybe

[Pine]

That's reasonable

UNVOTE:

[Pine]

It's reasonable to wait for Math to check in

[Pine]

Why am I conftown?

Because the game just ended with a scum win

VOTE: Mathdino

[Pine]

By the way, this game is why Math is wrong. Redflavor and I tried to coordinate a hammer on NotMafia, but were unable to confirm despite both being active around the same time. It's harder than it sounds if you want to do it without tipping your hand.

[Pine]

G-g-gulp...senpai?

[Pine]

*stab*

What's New Pussycat is a fucking terrible song. You should feel bad.

[Pine]

Mathdino for sure

[Pine]

Math/Ausuka final answer

[Pine]

Well sure, gotta be with everyone
And if I am mafia in next game I will say my partner's name in nearly every posts I make. So for next game, it is MathDino

This is a horribly doctored quote. Most of it is straight up fabricated

Serious VOTE: RedFlavor

[Pine]

Altered

You jokingly suggested that the next time would be me and Mathdino, on the premise that xyzzy was pairing me with everyone, and I replied in jest "Well sure, gotta be with everyone"

The entire rest of that quote is fabricated, clearly with the other intent of getting an easy ML on me

[Pine]

Yeah, the grammatical error in that proves it isn't my post. I don't make obvious errors like that. You've taken something I did say, and changed it to say something entirely different.

Th original quote and context:

Redflavor: I hope they dont mock us because we literally could not hammer nm and I convinced Ausuka to unvote
Pine: No, this will provide excellent context for when I next debate Mathdino.

[Pine]

?

No, this will provide excellent context for when I be scum with MathDino in next game.

"No, this will provide excellent context for when I

am

scum with MathDino in next game."

No, scumchats are not public. The fact that it's still labeled "Private thread" and tinted the dark color is a clue.

[Pine]

It is possible that xxxy chose the scumteam and because we know pine is always mafia he made it look like alisae chose it without knowledge

Yeah bullshit. You’ve been working to frame me for a full day now. Calling you out on it.

VOTE: RedFlavor

[Pine]

Except he did.

I'm not sure what you think you have to gain by badly misquoting me and calling the mod a liar.

[Pine]

Except

he

they did.

I'm not sure what you think you have to gain by badly misquoting me and calling the mod a liar.

EBWOP

[Pine]

Btw town pine would stop scumreading me after I said "I did not know it was hidden" thats why Im sure he is scum

Town Pine doesn't fucking trust you, especially when you edited my quotes to frame me, then gave a bullshit excuse to cover it when the fact that they weren't public was clearly stated.

Yeah, this needs to be lynched. Even if it was a joke, we can't take that risk.

[Pine]

Sup RC

[Pine]

Are you fucking kidding me

Redflavor straight-up MADE UP stuff I said, altering quotes from a private thread to frame me, and you're calling that a trumped-up bullshit push?

Fuck off, guy

[Pine]

Well sure, gotta be with everyone
And if I am mafia in next game I will say my partner's name in nearly every posts I make. So for next game, it is MathDino

This is a horribly doctored quote. Most of it is straight up fabricated

Serious VOTE: RedFlavor

No its not you are liar

VOTE: Pine

Well sure, gotta be with everyone
And if I am mafia in next game I will say my partner's name in nearly every posts I make. So for next game, it is MathDino

This is a horribly doctored quote. Most of it is straight up fabricated

Serious VOTE: RedFlavor

Also I don't even know what doctored means so your argument is invalid

Altered

You jokingly suggested that the next time would be me and Mathdino, on the premise that xyzzy was pairing me with everyone, and I replied in jest "Well sure, gotta be with everyone"

The entire rest of that quote is fabricated, clearly with the other intent of getting an easy ML on me

?

No, this will provide excellent context for when I be scum with MathDino in next game.

Yeah, the grammatical error in that proves it isn't my post. I don't make obvious errors like that. You've taken something I did say, and changed it to say something entirely different.

Th original quote and context:

Redflavor: I hope they dont mock us because we literally could not hammer nm and I convinced Ausuka to unvote
Pine: No, this will provide excellent context for when I next debate Mathdino.

Wait scumchats are not public?
Also what is the grammarical error I made?

?

No, this will provide excellent context for when I be scum with MathDino in next game.

"No, this will provide excellent context for when I

am

scum with MathDino in next game."

No, scumchats are not public. The fact that it's still labeled "Private thread" and tinted the dark color is a clue.

Oh I checked from ego it did not say private but it just always does not
Dark color pinged me but I think xxyz said he will reveal the chat so I thought the jokes would be obvious sorry lol
Also thanks for telling me my mistake I use it like that everytime

It is possible that xxxy chose the scumteam and because we know pine is always mafia he made it look like alisae chose it without knowledge

Yeah bullshit. You’ve been working to frame me for a full day now. Calling you out on it.

VOTE: RedFlavor

I think this is the full discussion. RF misquoted and altered stuff from our PT last game to frame me, and called me a liar when I disputed it. When I pushed, he said it was a joke, but is still voting me.

It's a botched scum frame.

[Pine]

There are seven games. "Everyone is scum at least once" is not unfair, and frankly, pretty typical given a 1/3 chance every time. I don't really remember mathematical combinations that well, but I'd imagine the odds of never being scum to be pretty low.

So if RC is crying foul when he's guaranteed to be scum in at least one of four games (counting present), that smacks of "scum caught for wrong reasons." With his stonewalling regarding RedFlavor, I have a feeling it's RC/RF.

PE: And also his absolute bullshit OMGUS on NM now.

VOTE: RC

I'm happy with either lynch, as Mafia are lovers.

[Pine]

Jesus fucking shit on a cracker.

Nico, what the fuck are you doing? RC's suggestions that throwing one game for the sake of the others is grade-A nonsense. All it does is lose you a point.

And seriously, people, when someone is blatantly fabricating lies, you lynch the shit out of them. I should have been handed an RF mislynch on a golden platter.

[Pine]

I really, really hope I'm done with being scum. I don't do nearly as well in Micros as I do in larger games. 50% win rate is crap.

[Pine]

That's not how odds work. Gambler's Fallacy.

I'm finally Town! Huzzah!

[Pine]

VOTE: RC

[Pine]

VOTE: pine

Hey Ausuka

If you're holding to the "Pine must be scum with everyone" theory, RC is the only one I haven't played with. Vote for him. If you're right, you'll get me too.

[Pine]

I was scum with Pine

...No you weren't?

Seriously, lynch the fuck out of RC or Ausuka here.

[Pine]

Dude, RC was so incredibly obvious there. Good on you for turning it around on me.

[Pine]

Hello, and I know you'd vote me, so get it over with.

This feels LAMIST

Too tired to parse it though

[Pine]

Two is not a valid sample size

[Pine]

everyone should forget the 7 game score, stop caring about lynching people with the top score, and play to win

you win 0 points if you lose the game and in lovers you require complete town unity to get a lynch. RF lynching for point reasons killed straight up handed us the game.

I feel like this might be an RC Towntell?

[Pine]

VOTE: Nico

[Pine]

Sorry guys, have been having access problems. Should be all set now, but am camping. Real content tomorrow.

[Pine]

I don't like the NM wagon

[Pine]

I fucking hate What's New Pussycat.

Kinda feeling Ausuka!Town here. Why not just lurk for a free half point as scum?

My gut is saying RF or Nico here.

[Pine]

Pine what do you think about ausuka?

I fucking hate What's New Pussycat.

Kinda feeling Ausuka!Town here. Why not just lurk for a free half point as scum?

My gut is saying RF or Nico here.

Literally like three posts up.

I'm convinced.

Intent to vote RF

[Pine]

why am I excluded from that list?

Because my gut isn't suspicious of you.

This was meant to be included in the previous post, bad cut/paste job.

[Pine]

NR, would you vote pine or RC

This is the second time he's asked frivolous asked-and-answered questions in the last day.

He's faking content.

[Pine]

Hes doing the exact same thing whenwe just lynched him at d1

You mean when I was Town?

VOTE: RedFlavor

[Pine]

UNVOTE:

Cold feet. Ehhhh I'm indecisive this game. I'm not used to being Town.

[Pine]

VOTE: RF

[Pine]

I completed my goal of playing scum with everyone, round robin style. I can die (in game) a happy tree.

[Pine]

Make RC and I on opposite teams so I can pull up even with him.

[Pine]

still replacing out

Seriously? Please no. This had better be a joke. Play the game.

[Pine]

Yeah but we're practically done with this series of games.

W/e do what you want.

[Pine]

Try Chickadee. She'd probably be down for a quickie.

[Pine]

.........That sounded way different in my head. Ilu Chick

[Pine]

Oh snap

[Pine]

Not much to say. Every game is new, and this one hasn't started yet.

The most important thing to know is that the scum are not random; xyzzy is picking. Thus, the only really relevant things from previous games (imho) is who has been scum and with whom.

G1 - Pine + Not_Mafia - Town win
G2 - Pine + Ausuka - Scum win
G3 - Pine + RedFlavor - Scum win
G4 - Pine + Nico (you) - Town win
G5 - RC + Nico (you) - Scum win
G6 - Pine + RC - Scum win

Takeaways: Town winrate is awful, and I've been scum with everyone, round-robin style. This is my second game of seven as Town, and I'll be damned if I'm going to lose this one too.

--Scumrates--
Pine: 5/6 (5/7)
NM: 1/6
Ausuka: 1/6
RF: 1/6
Nico/Chick: 2/6
MathDino/RC: 2/6

I'm interested in lynching {NM, Ausuka, RF}. As much as I want to lynch RC and hope he's scum so we can tie in the overall standings, I think he has a high EV of being Town.

[Pine]

Eww that post reeks of IIOA. Focus on the last sentence, everyone who isn't Chickadee.

[Pine]

[Pine]

*eyeroll*

I'm not scum again. I've been with everyone. I'd say "don't be dumb," but it's really "don't be self-serving"

[Pine]

I am aligned with the

mafia

.

I am aligned with the

mafia

.

Sorry meant to say town definitely not a Freudian slip

*twitch* what the shit is this

[Pine]

VOTE: RF?

[Pine]

Balderdash

[Pine]

For you

[Pine]

Yeah I'm down with this

#realvote

VOTE: NM

[Pine]

*twitch*

Ausuka/NM

That's some pretty hardcore chainsaw action right there

[Pine]

Foxes forever

yip yip

[Pine]

[Pine]

-_-

The fact that at least one of NM, Ausuka, and RF are Town is super depressing.

Stop gamethrowing, guys. Make good cases, make joke cases, but don't make shitty cases.

[Pine]

Look at this whole thing when I'm gone. RC's vote on me was awful, and fairly quick.

Dude, RC's vote was terribad. I may need to vote him for it.

We're in LYLO though, so I need to look at things carefully, not from my phone.

[Pine]

Welp

Kinda think that one's chickadees fault

Pine why did you say everyone's play besides me and Deedles was unacceptable? Why were we better

It's not that you were better, it's that they were specifically bad. And frankly, your vote there lumps you in with the baddies if you're Town. It was ridiculously ill-considered.

[Pine]

Because it's on scum.

[Pine]

Well, probably. Sorry, last post was kneejerk glibness. I need to re-evaluate in light of EOD Chickadee shenanigans.

[Pine]

Hence why I labeled it as glib, and apologized for the flippancy.

[Pine]

BOP, among other things. Also the fact that yours was out of the blue, and the others were already scummy for other reasons. I'll post more later guys, stop pestering me. We have time.

[Pine]

That's not actually what I said. You're the highest skill and raw talent, so I expect better out of you.

...Actually that's probably a solid reason to think you wouldn't do that as scum.

Fuck, I hate when I talk myself out of stuff. This is why I held off on voting until I could think more.

Seriously, I've got almost 300 kids and staff here this week. Gimme time. There's no rush.

[Pine]

It's not, actually. The important question is why you were scumreading her. There was nothing scummy about her. She was totally null, and you teamed up with actively scummy people to lynch her for...what? A bullshit notion that she had to be scum based on an obvious misinterpretation of the rules? RF's blatant OMGUSing of her? Ausuka's opportunism?

...Actually, I'm calling it. RF/Ausuka. NM's odd behavior I can attribute to his weird playstyle, your lolvoting fits you, but their D1 behavior does not make sense.

Putting my money where my mouth is.

VOTE: RedFlavor

[Pine]

Really?

When you give scum an opportunity to prodge
Also chikadee has never been mafia so it must be her
VOTE: Chickadee

No, mod said evwryone must be mafia at least once so its you

Ok even its abot slot, you havent done anything in game except prodging and votimg me

But you want to give this a pass and call it scumhunting? Chickadee was in no hurry, to the point of laziness, but the above is actively scummy.

[Pine]

Because that's what he always does. I officially can't read him.

I can, however, read RF and Ausuka, and they're scum.

[Pine]

Well, he accepted your vote for "Deedles."

So yeah, NM/RC, then? Fuck. I was on the right track and talked myself out of it.

[Pine]

Lol