NY 213 - Game Over!

[Golden Robster]

Yeah, but town!GR doesn't know that he's a mason so I don't know why you would try that.

And then vote and push his slot. It doesn't add up to me.

because zero response to my gambit

[Golden Robster]

Yeah, but town!GR doesn't know that he's a mason so I don't know why you would try that.

not sure what you're trying to ask me here

[Golden Robster]

if you're asking me why I did the gambit in the first place then it's obvious

he was being voted and a wagon was building up when he hardclaimed mason

I claimed mason in order to stop votes but since no response to my gambit I got super paranoid and retracted

[Golden Robster]

also it didn't help that JJD was saying shit like

@Robster and Flaovrleaf, if either of you claim this was fake at a future point, then you get autolynched.

last chance to come clean.

and then wavemode started pushing me and throwing shade so I figured it wouldn't have worked

my interactions with FL were dodgy as well and didn't help

[Golden Robster]

How long did you intent to wait Rob?

not long

was hoping that he would respond after I posted and make a decision

[Golden Robster]

I don’t see why you felt the need to fake claim to halt the wagon, especially given you didn’t stick to the gambit.

only reason I didn't stick to gambit is pressure from other players and dodgy interactions with FL which didn't make sense from mason pov + zero acknowledgement from FL didn't help

[Golden Robster]

PP being hella scummy right now

Um. He faked claimed mason and then didn't give a reason when asked why he did it? Didn't really care until mason were actually confirmed.

I didn't see it.

(doesn't read and jumps to conclusions)

VOTE: FL

I like KK based on his overall reads...mostly where I'm leaning. 2nd Mason should claim or FL should get lynched. If 2nd Mason claims, Mylo needs to go.

3 days left so you all on vanities need to actually do something productive with your vote.

I would like to go Penguin or GROB today. Lalendra could be scum, but like Mylo, I think that’s better for another day.

You have a very weak reason to scum read me based on my history with you, and you know it.

If we can get a GR wagon going, I will be glad to lynch that.

Mylo is scum though.

VOTE: Golden Rob

mylo is scum but you're voting me?

[Golden Robster]

gamma d2 content has been lacking

think he voted me and unvoted me straight after; wishy-washy & being hesitant & then claiming not to have read don't feel like town gamma

don't think he's outed reads yet so still waiting

[Golden Robster]

think if anything right now PP is the best option for lynch

feels survivalistic and coming from scum rather than town

1) when FL mentioned only votes on me, PP votes me instantly
2) claims mylo is hard scum but votes me
3) shade throwing and jumping to concl without actually reading properly (#2873)
4) lack of presence until FL starts hard pressuring & hungry vote-hopping (feels survivalistic)

[Golden Robster]

re-reading some of his lines some posts just feels like it's coming from scum

This town is going to let scum coast to a win.

2nd Mason should claim or FL should get lynched. If 2nd Mason claims, Mylo needs to go.

VOTE: Wheme

votes wheme but keeps saying mylo is hardscum

don't understand PP right now

just feels too survivalistic

[Golden Robster]

f I wanted to be survivalistic, I would have kept my mouth shut yesterday. I would have had no motivation to do anything given half the playerlist is doing nothing.

Bad play because of uncertainty/paranoia does not equal scum. Now, maybe you or KK could tell me why scum!PP would paint himself as a target.

lets be real

scum can give any reasoning or explanation whatsoever and twist it into something that seems reasonable

you had motivation to do that because second mason claiming is always beneficial for scum and unfavorable for town

am not saying bad play due to uncertainty does not equal scum (case in point my gambit) but you have hypocritical posts in your ISO like

FL can be town for now...probably won't reassess for a bit.

and then

VOTE: FL

I like KK based on his overall reads...mostly where I'm leaning. 2nd Mason should claim or FL should get lynched. If 2nd Mason claims, Mylo needs to go.

but you voted KK previously

VOTE: KK

I can do this.

and then you have shitty vote-hopping that feels oppurtunistic and survivalistic if not anything; just hungry scum trying to start wagons without giving proper reasoning

[Golden Robster]

If I made it into a pretty little reads list, would it make you feel better?

not really; if anything I would feel better if you were lynched

also you say mylo is hardscum but you vote the player that you're less sure of?

sounds like a load of bullshit

even if we're nearing deadline right now (we still have 2 days), we need a replacement which will give us an extention?

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: PP

not much to add

[Golden Robster]

I fell liek PP is going to be a miss lynch. Can I interest anyone in a wheme lynch?

why do you think PP is going to be a mislynch?

[Golden Robster]

Still, if we get close to deadline, I will offer myself up as a sacrifice cause I am only Vanilla Townie and it helps lower the pool of inactives; making it easier to find scum.

I forgot about this post. Scum gambit feels unlikely.

Would like some opinions on this. Really makes me dislike a PP lynch.

what's the motivation for rampage claiming vt?

nothing; literally zero town motivation and ATE

I will offer myself up as a sacrifice cause I am only Vanilla Townie and it helps lower the pool of inactives; making it easier to find scum.

all of this feels super forced; what kind of town says this?

[Golden Robster]

it's literally the same with FL claiming strong PR

beneficial to scum narrowing down the pool of potential NK's hitting PR

[Golden Robster]

I will out reads when I feel like it, probably when I actually read what I missed, I do think PP is kinda scummy for what you listed though, especially him voting you over his other reads. I also don't get why people are calling wheme scummy, if it's for lurking I think that's kinda how he plays normally?

vote-hopping, consistently being in the background while conveniently switching wagons when needed and given scant reasoning

when you ISO wheme do you think it comes from town or scum?

[Golden Robster]

can do either android, wheme or PP

[Golden Robster]

Ok so I’m caught up from my last catch up but my last catchup wasn’t fully caught up

Should I read those pages cause apparently everyone unvoted golden rob in those pages

if you're not invested into this game why did you join in the first place?

seem to have feelings about wagon on you except calling it garbo

[Golden Robster]

you don't seem* to have feelings about the wagon on you*

[Golden Robster]

people saying PP is lynchbaity and giving passes to him should re-evaluate

had that happen in a game that recently finished and I hard-defended scum

got caught up in ATE and didn't realise I was being played

[Golden Robster]

Slight town lean on PP himself, but Rampage is town and so I really dislike the wagon.
A18 is still obvtown

Wheme I'm pretty null on, but of the three leading wagons, it's the only one I think is tolerable, so I'm ok shifting to it if we go that way. Who outside of the 3 leading wagons could we go to? Obv. Wave is my preference, but I don't think that's going to gain legs.

why is a18 obvtown

[Golden Robster]

Penguin Power is really lynchbaity

Especially in larges.

Still voting vanity.

trying to justify scummy behaviour by saying lynchbaity

nice

[Golden Robster]

side note i don't think i've ever seen the phrase "zero town motivation" used in concert with a sound and logical case on somebody

it's usually either made by town who doesn't understand that town do anything they want because most town don't give a shit about what you think looks like town motivation

or scum grasping for straws

zero town motivation is what it is; literally, no reasons (or little to none) for a player to act in a way that makes sense from town perspective

town can do anything they want but it's about transparency as well; if a player acts scummy then why would I TR them just because you say:

doesn't understand that town do anything they want because most town don't give a shit about what you think looks like town motivation

[Golden Robster]

easy, bad town. what kind of scum says it?

I offer my body up because I am town and VT

do I get a pass because I said something like this?

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Whemestar

[Golden Robster]

You didn't answer his question, nor did you answer it when I asked it.

So like I said there, I think only an advanced scum player would say something like that. Do you disagree w/ that of do u think rampage is capable of savvy play like that ?

not really; if anything I see it as NAI

if I replaced out right now and said something towny would you TR me?

also the self-sacrifice offer has zero connection to hardclaiming VT

beneficial to scum narrowing down the pool of potential NK's hitting PR

[Golden Robster]

Do you disagree w/ that of do u think rampage is capable of savvy play like that ?

if anything, am looking at PP overall play

don't know rampage meta so no idea

[Golden Robster]

whemestar at L-2

hardclaim now

[Golden Robster]

replace out is NAI

claiming VT is scummy

[Golden Robster]

Well Ausuka and Creature, I am not scum. I just work as a chef in a place where we just fired somebody this week and lost some one to a ruptured appendix. So my schedule has been crazy hectic, working like 60+ hours a week and work an hour away from my home, so I am gone 12 hours out of the day at work. Still, if we get close to deadline, I will offer myself up as a sacrifice cause I am only Vanilla Townie and it helps lower the pool of inactives; making it easier to find scum.

Like I said Vax, I am cool with being the lynch. We are down 2 people at work and I am pulling doubles, and then my brother and his family showed up over the weekend and are staying the week. In a game this big, I would rather be lynched as opposed to replacing out because this would be a headache to replace into.

^ felt the need to remind us twice about self-sacrifice

[Golden Robster]

also which town offers themselves up as self-sacrifice d1?

same question could be framed both ways?

like rampage wasn't being pushed (don't think he was a wagon) and then he comes out with shitty ATE about offering himself up to being lynched

[Golden Robster]

and then he nonchalantly hardclaims at the same time

like

[Golden Robster]

idk if it seems towny to you but it feels pretty shit to me

and then when PP transitioned to not being on my scum radar to being hella scummy

my argument for that slot being scum isn't mainly on his replace out/claim (even though I do find claim scummy) but overall PP play d2

[Golden Robster]

Hi, no one has justified this Wheme wagon yet
Someone do so or I'll be all over that wagon on a wheme townflip

vote-hopping, consistently being in the background while conveniently switching wagons when needed and given scant reasoning

when you ISO wheme do you think it comes from town or scum?

[Golden Robster]

busy irl so can't reply fully, but UNVOTE: wheme[\unvote].

still want lynch, just bad policy to run to l-1 preclaim

nobody would hammer preclaim unless they wanted to be lynched tomorrow

[Golden Robster]

Where is scum here if any?
(Osuka (9) - Dunnstral (77),

Texcat

, Pine (176),

Almost50

(390), JarJarDrinks (535),

Performer

(623),

TheRampage

(681),

Hopkirk

(696), Kublai Khan (725))

[Golden Robster]

potentially pine as well

[Golden Robster]

not sure if you were asking that question to someone specific or in general

[Golden Robster]

@mod can we get an extension on the deadline since we need two replacements, not just one

[Golden Robster]

He's being completely survivalistic

Shows he had some knowledge of the game which leans scum anyways since his ISO wouldnt suggest he knew anything.

this

don't think he crumbed in the lead up to his wagon

[Golden Robster]

right now we have three viable options without an extension deadline

1. hardlynch whemestar even though doc claim (the most probable)
2. switch to PP (since wagon is still going) and hardlynch wheme tomorrow if he doesn't die since hardclaimed doc (second option) (can happen)
3. switch to TBG even though not enough votes (don't think will happen; only less than 13 hours left) (least probable)

[Golden Robster]

still advocating wheme lynch since don't think claim is legit

there's a difference between being survivalistic from town & scum perspective

[Golden Robster]

survivalistic is NAI? It's like the THE defining scum trait.

PP was being survivalistic and you gave him a pass because you TR rampage offering himself as lynch and vt claim (which is scummy)

Spoiler:

think if anything right now PP is the best option for lynch

feels survivalistic and coming from scum rather than town

1) when FL mentioned only votes on me, PP votes me instantly
2) claims mylo is hard scum but votes me
3) shade throwing and jumping to concl without actually reading properly (#2873)
4) lack of presence until FL starts hard pressuring & hungry vote-hopping (feels survivalistic)

re-reading some of his lines some posts just feels like it's coming from scum

This town is going to let scum coast to a win.

2nd Mason should claim or FL should get lynched. If 2nd Mason claims, Mylo needs to go.

VOTE: Wheme

votes wheme but keeps saying mylo is hardscum

don't understand PP right now

just feels too survivalistic

f I wanted to be survivalistic, I would have kept my mouth shut yesterday. I would have had no motivation to do anything given half the playerlist is doing nothing.

Bad play because of uncertainty/paranoia does not equal scum. Now, maybe you or KK could tell me why scum!PP would paint himself as a target.

lets be real

scum can give any reasoning or explanation whatsoever and twist it into something that seems reasonable

you had motivation to do that because second mason claiming is always beneficial for scum and unfavorable for town

am not saying bad play due to uncertainty does not equal scum (case in point my gambit) but you have hypocritical posts in your ISO like

FL can be town for now...probably won't reassess for a bit.

and then

VOTE: FL

I like KK based on his overall reads...mostly where I'm leaning. 2nd Mason should claim or FL should get lynched. If 2nd Mason claims, Mylo needs to go.

but you voted KK previously

VOTE: KK

I can do this.

and then you have shitty vote-hopping that feels oppurtunistic and survivalistic if not anything; just hungry scum trying to start wagons without giving proper reasoning

If I made it into a pretty little reads list, would it make you feel better?

not really; if anything I would feel better if you were lynched

also you say mylo is hardscum but you vote the player that you're less sure of?

sounds like a load of bullshit

even if we're nearing deadline right now (we still have 2 days), we need a replacement which will give us an extention?

Penguin Power is really lynchbaity

Especially in larges.

Still voting vanity.

trying to justify scummy behaviour by saying lynchbaity

nice

[Golden Robster]

And if 2 is considered at all I'll probably become toxic.

why?

you're hitting two birds with one stone

if whemestar doesn't get NK'd it confirms him as scum; we get rid of PP and then we hardlynch whemestar if one of our masons/IC dies

[Golden Robster]

also PP voting with me & voting his counter-wagon worries me

[Golden Robster]

UNVOTE: Wheme

[Golden Robster]

if wheme flips town you hardlynch PP with me

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: whemestar

[Golden Robster]

in my head right now

wheme has a better chance of flipping red since claim is fake

but lynching PP is the better play here on the off-chance it isn't

it just depends on what you believe

[Golden Robster]

You're trying to get town to not lynch scum rob.

no you're just hard tunnelling as if there aren't any repercussions

like how you hard tunnelled FL into hardclaiming masons with hopkirk

[Golden Robster]

wheme is scum

but people don't understand that PP is also scum here

[Golden Robster]

I don't seem to like PP wagon either

you mean the people voting PP or the actual wagon itself

[Golden Robster]

also not surprised you'd try to lynch a doc

laughed out loud there

[Golden Robster]

Is it too late for CFDs?

CFD?

[Golden Robster]

Do you really think they're both scum together and the whole game just votes both of them? Seem a bit strange, that means scum probably has a lot of numbers if they're fine bussing like that (which btw is a HORRIBLE mindset, just because you have a large team doesn't make copious bussing smart, you will eventually hit really low numbers and regret your decisions)

if whemestar flips town here, it validates that PP was a counterwagon on scum (so we lynch there tomorrow)

if whemestar flips scum here, then I will reconsider & look at TBG, dunn and people who were wishy-washy

[Golden Robster]

Do you really think they're both scum together

possibly

probably not from looking at wagons but both of them are really scummy and bussing is normal

[Golden Robster]

scum only have one nightkill per night, it'll take them a while to clear the conftowns out

why you assuming this

[Golden Robster]

Yeh, TehBrawlGuy looks bad

so does texcat

texcat looks so-so

TBG looks super bad if wheme flips scum and okay-ish if town

[Golden Robster]

Pretty sure normals don't allow scum vigilantes

what about scum joat

[Golden Robster]

Leaving a list of good CFDs:
TehBrawlGuy
texcat
Scioness Sajj
Pine

tbg could happen but deadline is too soon and don't think we can gather 12 votes

same with the rest of the players

now PP is a wagon I can do

[Golden Robster]

wheme needs to out reads

[Golden Robster]

wheme needs to out reads

wheme if your town you need to out reads now

[Golden Robster]

would be disappointing to have posted the entire scumteam on the thread, find out we mislynched the doc and afterwards town completely ignore me

lol

[Golden Robster]

hammer

[Golden Robster]

wheme needs to out reads

wheme if your town you need to out reads now

[Golden Robster]

This is the end
Hold your breath and count to ten
Feel the Earth move, and then
Hear my heart burst again

For this is the end
I've drowned and dreamt this moment
So overdue, I owe them
Swept away, I'm stolen

Let the sky fall, when it crumbles
We will stand tall
And face it all together
Let the sky fall, when it crumbles
We will stand tall
And face it all together
At sky fall
at sky fall

[Golden Robster]

creature just hammer it's scum. I pre-absolve you of any blame if it flips green.

[Golden Robster]

saying that as scum is easy

saying this?

creature just hammer it's scum. I pre-absolve you of any blame if it flips green.

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Dunstrall

[Golden Robster]

It's an obvious, clumsy bus. It's even more damning when you realize JJD is the only bus that makes sense out of Wheme's votes. Wheme's actions show JJD is also Scum.

agree with bussing but don't agree that JJD did it

if anything the wagon was being stalled at the start and don't think scum would hard bus off the bat

[Golden Robster]

Remember who is stalling back and forth.

yeah this needs to be the precedent for d3.

agree with this

this needs to be the focus today especially since FL was nk'd

[Golden Robster]

Tchill reasoning is solid

look at FL reads and look at who stalled the wagon (anybody who was off the wagon, voiced different lynch targets or wasn't talking) and then start lynching from there

still think bussing did happen but not at the start of the wagon if anything

[Golden Robster]

vax,

dunn

, tbg,

creature

. major red flages there they resisted the wheme lynch HARD. very suspicious of all of these players.

lalendra

, jarjar, robster,

gamma

are players im very suspicious of based on individual play.

if you're not named your either town or null.

potential scum on wagon

[Golden Robster]

And I'd assume that there'd be at least a scum off the wagon and another near the end of it too.

nice I agree

mylon gets a pass d3

[Golden Robster]

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

I didn't have an opinion on you, I don't like how you're pushing the wheme lynch through

[Golden Robster]

was creature stalling for more reads or stalling because he's scum though?

you just said

im on pg 136. creature from 134 to 136 looks terrible.

yeah this needs to be the precedent for d3.

anyone who tried to steer a lynch in any other direction after THIS post needs to be looked at

[Golden Robster]

activity isn't alignment indicative and meta is shit reasoning

[Golden Robster]

I'm bad at reading him hence why I put him as like last option from my scumlist.

so this is basically a no

[Golden Robster]

We also both scumread TBG and townread Creature.

tbg is fine

his argument against JJD looks like it comes from town even though I think he's wrong

[Golden Robster]

nvm forgot about vengeful
I need to start paying more attention here

feel like I've asked for your reads several times and you haven't responding

why are you not paying attention?

[Golden Robster]

Kind of town

Lalendra (7/10 C) - Feels like newb town although some posts feel forced. Re-reading ISO, don't think anything majorly stands out to me as scum posts; main thing that strikes me is vote-hopping and switching between wagons but not bothered because scum care for appearances more than town so it's something that I TR; not much to add except newbtown vibes all over ISO.

this is what I think of lalendra and still think

[Golden Robster]

dunn needs rope

don't understand why people TR him; if you ISO and pay attention to the flips this game then you'd be stupid or scum not to agree with me here

[Golden Robster]

if anybody wants me to case him then willing to oblige

[Golden Robster]

Hopkirk I need you to explain why dunn is town. I can't just ignore all of my reads because you see differently lol.

he's not

hopkirk is wrong

[Golden Robster]

Ik lalendra is gonna be a difficult lynch makes me think she's scum more.

how though?

like what makes lalendra a difficult lynch?

[Golden Robster]

bit curious if people are suspecting me based off my voting circumstances, if so how does "his claim and the referenced meta make no sense" not make sense? I saw a major inconsistency wrt his reactions between games so I pressed it

you didn't seem really invested in that wagon and then you soft-defended whemestar by acting pro-town

Hi, no one has justified this Wheme wagon yet
Someone do so or I'll be all over that wagon on a wheme townflip

wheme has posted on site within the last half hour.

LE YAWN
I've known others who would inadvertently not post in a game where they were near lynch as town (Aristophanes in his team mafia game anyone?)
tell me how this case is scum-indicative?

wagon make-up doesn't really help
talk about what wheme has done, not other people

So, you got your Doctor PM. You saw the Innocent Child announcement. You saw some mason claims and you didn't scratch your head at the idea that town is over-powered?

Doc + masons + IC is overpowered? idr think so

you only started talking about meta after the wagon had ran up with a decent amount of votes

[Golden Robster]

Just because Vax escaped the lynch once by claiming vig, does not mean this isn't scum.

he retracted and had some lines that genuinly felt like it came from town

do you think vax is a super capable scum player?

[Golden Robster]

And I'd assume that there'd be at least a scum off the wagon and another near the end of it too.

nice I agree

mylon gets a pass d3

seriously? off of such a vanilla copypasta response? no thanks

I mean I agree with the reasoning so what's the problem?

giving a free pass to mylo because I don't SR him

do you SR mylo?

[Golden Robster]

since my reads have completely changed and I'm not going through every read again, am just going to out my main scumreads

dunn, scioness

can lynch any one of these

[Golden Robster]

also android slot and pine

[Golden Robster]

potentially gamma if he doesn't give me a decent explanation of what he was thinking yesterday

[Golden Robster]

not much

which is why you've become a main scumread

[Golden Robster]

Scioness (5/10 C) - Had Scioness as leaning scum previously but re-read and think the thing that was pinging me was the ease at which he switched votes d1 from ausuka to performer to android; felt scummy because zero reasoning and gave the impression of rushing a lynch instead of actually wanting to lynch scum. D2 play felt better but need more validation.

think this was where I was at with you when I was writing out reads

I'd move you down to semi scum and a confidence rating of 7/10 in that read

[Golden Robster]

You mean that was not sarcasm? Some scum were on the wagon, and some scum were off the wagon. It's hard to disagree with that, but you give him a pass? You don't scum read him. Does that mean you're town reading him?

yes

if you vote dunn you can get a pass d3 as well

it's a good deal

[Golden Robster]

The wagon always had a ton of votes
and I didn't like the way it just seemed to always go to him, sorta the same logic that made me dislike the performer wagon
also I think you may have the timeline wrong, I never voted wheme until I noted the inconsistency

fair enough

what do you think about dun right now?

[Golden Robster]

Well it's a very easy to agree with stance, that's why it SHOULDN'T get a free pass. I don't SR mylo, in fact I think he's just barely on my townside, but I dislike foolish play.

mylo feels lynchbaity if anything

[Golden Robster]

I agreed originally with you about fake claiming vig, but I now think it's only dumb to continue the fake.

vax retracted

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: lalendra

I'm in sheep mode today

what is this abomination

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Dunn

OMGUS lol.

mylon gets a super super pass today

[Golden Robster]

expected you to have obvtowned already

he obvtowned when he fakeclaimed vig.

Oh right

(even though I also did)

yes but nobody believed you

also you didn't have genuine ate lines that felt like it came from town

[Golden Robster]

So did wheme, that didn't change his alignment from scum to town though

yes but wheme was scummy; mylo isn't

[Golden Robster]

Hey, Im not a vig. I claimed that yesterday to stop people pilling on the a stupid wagon and leading us to a no lynch. On top of that I was hoping I would be a scum target. Since I wasnt im assuming alot of my reads are wrong. I kinda like golden robs reactions at the start of the day, but he has a way to go for getting a town read.

Especially the lies doesnt look great today tho, who wasnt even on my radar yesterday.

Were you not worried that there was a real vig out there who'd shoot you and you'd screw over the town?

Did you see my follow up post after I claimed?

You mean this?

NOONE counter. I aint syaing shit else.

Yes I saw that. Then I saw this:

well give me a list of acceptable shots

and what does all this tell you?

That whether ur town or scum, u've played terrible this game.

I guess that's about right actually.

That whether ur town or scum, u've played terrible this game.

I don't like ad hominem attacks but I also really, REALLY hate it when town lies about PR's. Because all you've done is call out the fact that there may or may not be a PR that scum may or may not have been thinking about before, did it aggressively, wasted a potential night action by another PR who may have tried to protect you etc. Although, I'm guessing we don't have a vig because if we did, despite your "NOONECOUNTERCLAIMME" flailing, I would think they would have CC'd you.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

This is probably one of my worst games to date, and im really going to fuck over town. Feelsbadman

these lines from vax feel honest and genuine

what do you think about them?

[Golden Robster]

Do you for some reason think that scum can't make fake claims and then retract them?

no

but if anything that doesn't mean you have to SR every fakeclaim

did you think my fake mason claim was scummy?

[Golden Robster]

think you're being stubborn but from town perspective

vax may or may not have retracted if he was scum but that isn't the point

lines from vax feel honest and genuine

when he was being questioned about his fakeclaim

[Golden Robster]

Creature, why'd u leave the lala wagon?

also this

[Golden Robster]

My vote is available before deadline if needed

Hi Dunn

You wanna talk?

Not really

Do you scumread anyone on it

Lalendra, I don't know why she voted you

Don't hammer yet

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

I didn't have an opinion on you, I don't like how you're pushing the wheme lynch through

[Golden Robster]

not feeling those wagons today.
wheme over penguin, but we may have to go back to PP anyway.

VOTE: whemestar

After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

I'd prefer PP over tbg tbh

[Golden Robster]

pick a player out of these two

[Golden Robster]

pick a player out of these two

Why exclude Creature?

don't think creature would of hard-defended his partner in that way towards the end of the wagon; wheme was at L-1 and if creature was scum then all that wifom/fluff just puts him in the spotlight and attracts attention

[Golden Robster]

You realise your tunnel is going nowhere, right?

this isn't tunnelling though

have stated what lynches I'm fine with

[Golden Robster]

You realise your tunnel is going nowhere, right?

association later for when dunn flips scum ^

[Golden Robster]

Lalendra wagon is alright

then why the f are you not on it right now?

[Golden Robster]

since my reads have completely changed and I'm not going through every read again, am just going to out my main scumreads

dunn, scioness

can lynch any one of these

also android slot and pine

[Golden Robster]

Vote Dunnstral

Good first impression of this wagon.

I replaced Pine.

why you voting dunn if you scumread me; does it not make you feel weird that I'm voting dunn as well?

[Golden Robster]

First impressions bad guys:
Dunnstral
Golden Robster

[Golden Robster]

TBG immediately pushes jarjar, the mislynch for scum to push im as far as players that could have "bussed". Who else pushed jarjar?

this is a stretch and jumping conclusion bias

I still tr TBG

[Golden Robster]

I did actually forget she was IC so thank you for the reminder.

I am defending myself the best I can, I'm not calculating the way to do it. I am attempting to answer questions as they are presented and be as transparent as possible with my thinking. It's not methodical or subversive. I regularly get reminded that I'm no good at the game so thanks for that as well. I do, however, have to disagree with the statement that I am disengaged. I am reading the game thoroughly and doing my best. I may come off as a "lurker" because I only jump in and say something when I feel that I have something to say, I don't post just to post, nor am I capable of breaking setups or figuring out the scum master plan. I am simply here, doing my best, trying to have fun, like everyone else.

p-edit: My opinion right now is that apparently, I am just not a very good player, and for some reason people seem to confuse being scum and being a less-than-optimal player for the same thing. I am also getting frustrated that everyone is so convinced I am scum that they are taking everything I say as evidence of that. So I guess I'll just sit back and enjoy watching you all go back to square one tomorrow.

town post ^

[Golden Robster]

the day after a scumflip, I would expect a fair amount of early bussing/distancing

this is a joke right

[Golden Robster]

why would scum bus when one of their players just got lynched the previous day?

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: kublia khan

wtf is this shit?

[Golden Robster]

I agree that we can't let someone who isn't paying attention to the game, like Lala, to the endgame. I don't think she's a horrible lynch today. But I think Myloninja is a better lynch. Mylo does seem to be paying attention to the game, as evidenced by his continued beetlejuicing. He has not contributed anything at all to the game however. I don't understand why Gamma is willing to give him another day. We've been playing to 5 weeks and Mylo's given us nothing. Why does he get another week?

when did she say she wasn't paying attention?

[Golden Robster]

why would scum bus when one of their players just got lynched the previous day?

I don't understand

[Golden Robster]

Also I'm a little interested in a texcat lynch

Why wait?

Vote Texcat

CHOO CHOO

VOTE: Texcat

these series of posts are absolute dog shit and make me scumread both of you to oblivion

[Golden Robster]

also feels calculated and coming from scum

if anything texcat and mylo are lynchbait through and through and you guys are pushing them with shitty intentions

[Golden Robster]

Why is Golden town ninja birdie?

They assumed I was town on nothing both days, instead of like easily pushing my mislynch lol. Like, pretty much anyone could add a vote with no reason and go 'whoops' tomorrow lol.

What are your reads on everyone Mylo?

Sorry Sorry I don't really have reads on many people. I think Golden is town, and so is TBG. Lalendra's wagon isn't bad, but I've seen two of their town games where they've kinda played just like this lol.

Gamma is kinda suspcious to me because I think they're not acting how town!Gamma acts.

And also, I'm kinda waiting for Ank to Obv!Town so I can sheep them a bit here lol.

these explanations are fine

[Golden Robster]

krazy thinks scum would bus after one of their teammates got lynched

and then wagons texcat with dunstral, one of his scumreads sheeping him

[Golden Robster]

like you said it was first impression reads and then you completely ignore them

pretty useful

[Golden Robster]

mylo is town

texcat is less sure but so-so at best

[Golden Robster]

don't understand how we're letting these players away with soft defending wheme

and then letting them wagon the most lynchbaity players in the game aka the weak players

[Golden Robster]

she casts a lot of naked votes, shadecasts others for casting naked votes
of the votes she casts and directions she pushes, it's usually on the softest targets - today she expressed suspicion on wave/rob, but did nothing with it and then just sheeped mylowagon
most of her contribution is null points, townreads, etc that don't stick her neck out - there's actually very little town-motivated pushing anywhere

this is literally any lurker

[Golden Robster]

is this not what tex did?

when did she soft defend tex?

also is this question sarcasm because you're asking me for empirical validation about your argument?

[Golden Robster]

wheme*

[Golden Robster]

this was supposed to be the focal point of today

Remember who is stalling back and forth.

yeah this needs to be the precedent for d3.

instead we got this

via Imgflip Meme Generator

[Golden Robster]

Somewhat related question: What has Frozen Angel's activity looked like throughout the game?

absent from a good portion of d2 and d2 lynch

she was fine when she replaced

[Golden Robster]

I mean I was with you on the Dunn wagon and mostly all you've done is complain about other people's wagons rather than pushing it. Why is Dunn better than tex, Rob?

what do you mean not push? are you joking?

[Golden Robster]

ur mistaking casing for pushing

Spoiler:

vax,

dunn

, tbg,

creature

. major red flages there they resisted the wheme lynch HARD. very suspicious of all of these players.

lalendra

, jarjar, robster,

gamma

are players im very suspicious of based on individual play.

if you're not named your either town or null.

potential scum on wagon

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

I didn't have an opinion on you, I don't like how you're pushing the wheme lynch through

dunn needs rope

don't understand why people TR him; if you ISO and pay attention to the flips this game then you'd be stupid or scum not to agree with me here

since my reads have completely changed and I'm not going through every read again, am just going to out my main scumreads

dunn, scioness

can lynch any one of these

You mean that was not sarcasm? Some scum were on the wagon, and some scum were off the wagon. It's hard to disagree with that, but you give him a pass? You don't scum read him. Does that mean you're town reading him?

yes

if you vote dunn you can get a pass d3 as well

it's a good deal

My vote is available before deadline if needed

Hi Dunn

You wanna talk?

Not really

Do you scumread anyone on it

Lalendra, I don't know why she voted you

Don't hammer yet

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

I didn't have an opinion on you, I don't like how you're pushing the wheme lynch through

[Golden Robster]

I mean I was with you on the Dunn wagon and mostly all you've done is complain about other people's wagons rather than pushing it. Why is Dunn better than tex, Rob?

dunnstral hard-defended wheme, tried to stall wagon and said "lynch wheme tomororrow"

why is dunn not better than tex?

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: TBG

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Creature

[Golden Robster]

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Lalendra

VOTE: texcat

VOTE: Myloninja13

Kay

VOTE: texcat

Okay, you rock

VOTE: Lalendra

Surprise

Kublai's push on me is fake

VOTE: Kublai

VOTE: Lalendra

[Golden Robster]

I'd have no incentive to put effort on this game if I was scum.

It's like just lurk and win.

activity isn't alignment indicative and meta is shit reasoning

all of what I said in 3663 is completely relevant

KK said this earlier and I'm just going to emphasise what he said

meta can be subverted and each game should be approached by looking at content most of all

also trying to justify yourself by giving self-meta reasons is equally awful

[Golden Robster]

if you're town then you should be able to persuade us instead of

"this is my town game, when I'm mafia I lurk"

like what kind of shit reasoning is this?

[Golden Robster]

Fuck balls.

VOTE: Lalendra

dude what are you doing

[Golden Robster]

Hmm. After Ankamius makes the observation that Lalendra might be town because the wagon is too town, both Creature and Vaxkiller jump to try to revive it.

are you starting to see why I'm really not liking Creature right now

No matter what wagon I join you'll say it's a bad wagon.

probably

but it's better than not explaining at all

[Golden Robster]

I can't wrap my mind around the idea that someone is so terrible at mafia that the content of what they post is irrelevant, it's only the number of posts that I should pay attention to. Plus, HE'S COMPLETELY AWARE OF THIS META.

all of this

[Golden Robster]

lol, and just that one game Kublai played with me I was harddefending one scum D1.

actually good point can KK respond to this

[Golden Robster]

What's the motivation for scum!me to call Wheme wagon a mislynch even though it was likely he was gonna be lynched anyway?

that was my reasoning for you being town previously so yes, didn't really see any motivation in that; what's the point of hard-defending someone when the wagon was at L-1?

don't have an answer for that

if anything, your play recently does not feel town-motivated since I tr mylo, lalendra and to a lesser extent texcat and then you have players like dunnstral, tbg sheeping you

pedit: that's wrong though, town do care how they look but scum care more about surviving and having good content for them is a means to an end aka survival

[Golden Robster]

if everybody acted like mafia then how would it turn out?

how do you think people get townreads if nobody cared how they look?

[Golden Robster]

It's mostly about the content.

Town doesn't care how bad their posts may look.

Only scum actually cares about how good their content looks.

also at the end of the day even if this is true we still need to lynch based on their posts

so even though it may be true that scum care more it doesn't mean we can give free passes out just because a post seems too bad to come from scum

[Golden Robster]

2 points:

1 - I went and checked. It was a super soft-defend compared to this game. There's about 2 posts where he says the lynch is bad.
2 - "I did a thing once and therefore always do that thing" is piss-poor logic. I mean, if you want to follow that, then let's lynch whoever Creature really doesn't want to lynch.

fine

get back on the creature wagon

[Golden Robster]

Anyone not TRing KK needs serious help on how to read people.

[Golden Robster]

lalendra is consistent with her reasoning and stances

does not feel survivalistic to me

[Golden Robster]

I did actually forget she was IC so thank you for the reminder.

I am defending myself the best I can, I'm not calculating the way to do it. I am attempting to answer questions as they are presented and be as transparent as possible with my thinking. It's not methodical or subversive. I regularly get reminded that I'm no good at the game so thanks for that as well. I do, however, have to disagree with the statement that I am disengaged. I am reading the game thoroughly and doing my best. I may come off as a "lurker" because I only jump in and say something when I feel that I have something to say, I don't post just to post, nor am I capable of breaking setups or figuring out the scum master plan. I am simply here, doing my best, trying to have fun, like everyone else.

p-edit: My opinion right now is that apparently, I am just not a very good player, and for some reason people seem to confuse being scum and being a less-than-optimal player for the same thing. I am also getting frustrated that everyone is so convinced I am scum that they are taking everything I say as evidence of that. So I guess I'll just sit back and enjoy watching you all go back to square one tomorrow.

town post

a summary of her engagement towards the game without acting obnoxious; acknowledges that she's not that good at the game (feels thoughtful and reflective) and then gives decent justification

also I tr last line

I don't understand why ppl are voting this instead of creature

[Golden Robster]

I don't understand why ppl are voting this instead of creature

I am also a bad lynch.

ur not town

[Golden Robster]

Oh so you did. Where was your wheme explanation tho? That one kinda was naked, wasn't it?

good point but am inclined to tr her for that

like if ur scum u don't just naked vote a wagon

u give reasons

[Golden Robster]

Robster you are not voting based on meta right?

first time playing with her

also I am voting creature and not on meta

[Golden Robster]

Ankamius
Ausuka
Hopkirk

Lalendra

??

Texcat

??

Myloninja13

???

Tchill13

???

Frozen Angel
Golden Robster
JarJarDrinks
Kublai Khan
PenguinPower
TehBrawlGuy
Wavemode

Dunnstral

???

Gamma Emerald

???

Krazy

???

Scioness Sajj

???

Vaxkiller

???

Creature

??

are these reads only grouped or is it from town to scum in order of scumminess

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This calls to me.

why are you avoiding the main wagons for vanity wagons?

[Golden Robster]

I do, yes.

also, fuck it, VOTE: gamma. i definitely tr lala's recent posts and while creature is still an acceptable lynch, I'm shifting more town there to

flip-flopping when your partner about to be lynched?

[Golden Robster]

Gamma wagon is hot and sweet. You guys can come too if you want.

Why are you so sure on gamma?

[Golden Robster]

Kublai is probably town.

[Golden Robster]

Why can't we do creature instead?

[Golden Robster]

im counting Rob because he goes out of his way to point out he thinks wheme may flip town. If you have any thought that the claimed doctor flips town in what world do you vote him?

you can't be sure on everything

it's easy for you to say that when you had zero involvement in that wagon

[Golden Robster]

also having gy vision

[Golden Robster]

if I somehow die, know that I trust mylo to do god's work

[Golden Robster]

I scumread Dunnstral regardless of Lalendra's flip

Creature: Texcat (3472) --> Lalendra (3681) --> Texcat (3744) --> Myloninja13 (4013) --> Texcat (4165) --> Lalendra (4213) --> Kublai Khan (4260) --> Lalendra (4284)

if you scumread dunn then where was your vote?

[Golden Robster]

Had to stay on Lalendra to prevent a nolynch

this is bullshit though

If you want me off of texcat you're going to have to explain why they're town

What about we lynch some other scum first?

you communicate with him in 4470 and ask for his opinion on lynching other scum; you then sheep him on wagons

literally just went through your pg 2 ISO and did a search of the keyword "dunn" and got 11 mentions of that word including quotes, most of those quotes containing that word and zero conversation between you two and zero mention of you SR'ing him

[Golden Robster]

literally zero discussion between you two and if you had a scumread why did you only mention it now

like these are the types of hypocritical explanations I'm getting from you right now

[Golden Robster]

Scum are counting on me to deepwolf this game

u are the deepwolf

[Golden Robster]

Tchill13: Lalendra (3690) --> Myloninja13 (4082) --> Lalendra (4215)

also for reference, tchill talks big about lynching stallers and literally only votes these two throughout the entirety of d3

[Golden Robster]

think im going to chill now

regardless of whether lalendra is twilight trolling one of our conf town will be nk'd

if they want to add anything then they should do it now

[Golden Robster]

Someone asked I think so my scumread on GR is based on his stretchy arguments for voting Creature like "He has a scumread that he didn't talk about before because no townie ever changes their reads and scum always just make up scumreads while pretending they always had that read"

Scum are counting on me to deepwolf this game

u are the deepwolf

This is also ???

Krazy, why did you write "Who told you to bus in scumchat? Was it Rob? It was nice of him to make room for you after all."?

creature is scum

get it through your head

[Golden Robster]

Rob unvoted and played around with intent to hammer which iirc is when Gamma joined the bus. In my mind it reads a little like "COME ON GUYS, WE CAN GET EVEN MORE VALUE OUT OF THIS BUS!"

damn he worked it out!!!!

[Golden Robster]

you know

it might have something to do with muddying the gamestate in general more than any one player's faction

because if I'm right, then scum fucked themselves hard without doing that

can you explain?

[Golden Robster]

two and a half scumreads voting texcat

one scumread voting scioness

Lalendra

(11) (HAMMER @ 4577) -

PenguinPower

(3678), Wavemode (3716),

JarJarDrinks

(3721),

Tchill13

(4215),

Vaxkiller

(4220),

Creature

(4284),

Ausuka

(4286),

Hopkirk

(4339),

Kublai Khan

(4557), Skygazer (4564),

Scioness Sajj

(4577*)

VOTE: Scioness

[Golden Robster]

PP is town for being counter-wagon to wheme.

JJD is heavy townread for hard-pushing wheme.

Tchill reasoning was solid d3 start and parallel with mine; focus on stallers.

Vax ATE felt like genuine town and I don't mind defending that slot .

KK still feels like town and I see scumhunting, analysis and actual thinking from slot.

Skygazer replaced FA; had FA as town and willing to TR her as well

Wavemode is undecided but need to do an ISO check later

POE = creature and scioness scum

[Golden Robster]

like if you're going to try defending creature after all the logical evidence that's been happening this game in terms of defending scum, stalling wagons, hard-pushing town and vote-hopping then you're awful at this game

[Golden Robster]

Why are you only throwing shade on me by association and not actually casing me, giving any logical reasoning or making any reasonable arguments?

[Golden Robster]

Focusing on stallers is a bad reason to townread someone after a townflip

true

what do you think about tchill right now?

[Golden Robster]

I want to reread through day three and maybe the end of day two at some point so maybe I'll have more after that

would you be inclined to vote creature right now?

[Golden Robster]

@GR, Still waiting for a resupply on nukes.

I got you fam I'll wait for your case

[Golden Robster]

Idk lemme recheck my logic first

okay

also another question but what do you think about krazy right now?

[Golden Robster]

being hardpushed by him is making it hard for me to get a non-biased or non-judgemental read on him

also this question is to @everybody as well

[Golden Robster]

@krazy do you townread scion?

[Golden Robster]

I think scion is pretty scummy to be honest; a combination of poe, hammer on town and then a string of posts about how he was unsure about lalendra followed by potential hammer sitting

[Golden Robster]

Do you think it's plausible that both wagons right now are on scum?

I mean anything's possible so yes possibly

[Golden Robster]

I think scion is pretty scummy to be honest; a combination of poe, hammer on town and then a string of posts about how he was unsure about lalendra followed by potential hammer sitting

you have been scumreading me from d1 and all you have to say is that i have hammered my townread?

do you want me to case you?

also creature switched wagon so getting good vibes from this

[Golden Robster]

taking a break from this game since slightly drained and kind of want to request replacement

V/LA for five days

[Golden Robster]

hi catching up

[Golden Robster]

Yes, I am still scum reading Mylo.

Looking at my wagon, I'm pretty sure either Krazy or Dunn is scum. I don't think both of them can be. I keep having my doubts about Creature, but I can't believe he's actually scum posting this much. I'm surprised by TBG. I thought he was more logical than to follow memes and cookies onto my wagon.

if you scumread mylo why aren't you voting him?

[Golden Robster]

TehBrawlGuy and because he has been awkward lately.

agree with this

[Golden Robster]

honestly out of all my SR's im the most sure about dunn. Dunn voting n the the competing wagon to sajj made me more sure of sajj scum. We can lynch dunn first then flip sajj though.

Dunn is scum. I'd like him lynched.

wait how are you getting these associations?

[Golden Robster]

Did GR actually replace or she just v/la?

v/la

am chilling

[Golden Robster]

4. Fumuki Golden Robster -- For such a smart player this slot has said a bunch of shit that makes no sense. Scum playing for endgame is my impression right now. The way he played up the wheme hammer also made my skin crawl, as did the unvote-vote like he was still thinking about it. The way that exchange went just reads fake to me.

why would scum!gr unvote and vote if she was bussing?

what have I said that doesn't make sense?

why does the exchange feel fake to you?

[Golden Robster]

On another note, Dunnwagon is abysmal and he's Town. Probably one of my strongest TRs, actually.

why tho

[Golden Robster]

OTOH, him not wanting to lynch Wheme on policy grounds after seeing me get raked for unvoting Wheme on policy grounds is very indicative of town!dunn. If he's Scum, he can just kill Wheme or wait the phase out, but actively coming in to take fire defending Wheme is dumb. I liked the way he responded to me after I questioned his vote on me as well.

I've found myself agreeing with him a lot over the last few days too - his view of the gamestate mirrors mine fairly well and I feel like I can follow his progression.

kind of understand what you're getting at from the first paragraph; tbg thinks scum bussed rather than defended (which is in line with his argument about JJD) but I disagree

wagon was being stalled/slowed and it probably dictates that the players who are hesitating or not voting/voting another wagon are mafia

I don't really see progression from dunn though?

[Golden Robster]

krazy has some good points about gamma
namely naked voting and sheeping other players and then voting some of my townreads without decent explanation (in line with sheeping others)

VOTE: myloninja
honestly all the actual content I've seen from him has been terrible
I'm done beating around the bush here

VOTE: Kublai Khan
I think this is a good case, and think that the points brought up are valid points.

[Golden Robster]

Or we can just flip dunn. Dont like u selling a gamma lynch as informational.

Rest if the case was actually ok but there's scummier people than gamma rn.

yeah I agree with this