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Post Post #214 (isolation #0) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:15 pm

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VOTE: not_mafia

why are u doing naked votes and doing nothing of substance
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Post Post #218 (isolation #1) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:24 pm

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In post 217, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 214, OkaPoka wrote:VOTE: not_mafia

why are u doing naked votes and doing nothing of substance
I'm told it's his meta and NAI.
ive played with him a couple years back and although he was trolly he was a lot more substantive
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Post Post #221 (isolation #2) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:38 pm

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vote nm and get him talking
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Post Post #223 (isolation #3) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:39 pm

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In post 220, Eragon wrote:Towncore
—Eragon
—AP
—Ejjinami

Town Lean
-LuckyOtter
-Sando
-ManateeDude
-UnRealSeal

Null
-okadoka
-Not_Mafia

Neutral null(less not-read and more I could go either way so convince me)

-Ceejay
why do u only have town reads and null reads and no scum reads
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Post Post #226 (isolation #4) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:40 pm

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In post 225, Eragon wrote:
In post 223, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 220, Eragon wrote:Towncore
—Eragon
—AP
—Ejjinami

Town Lean
-LuckyOtter
-Sando
-ManateeDude
-UnRealSeal

Null
-okadoka
-Not_Mafia

Neutral null(less not-read and more I could go either way so convince me)

-Ceejay
why do u only have town reads and null reads and no scum reads
because they were based of MM's spew
whats ur prior experience with mafia if any
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Post Post #228 (isolation #5) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:43 pm

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are u not worried that you have so many townreads and so little scumreads
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Post Post #233 (isolation #6) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:46 pm

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yeah could u explain how ur getting town cores 10 pages in
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Post Post #238 (isolation #7) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:48 pm

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wait ur towncoring eragon cuz meta?
what meta do u have prior experience with him what
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Post Post #241 (isolation #8) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:50 pm

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@manateedude what does eragon scumgame look like
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Post Post #250 (isolation #9) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:56 pm

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dw i hate meta, i think metareads are dumb, im just seeing manateedude's response
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Post Post #253 (isolation #10) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:59 pm

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In post 249, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Sando
explain ur thoughtprocess
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Post Post #257 (isolation #11) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:03 pm

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Donner_Party

looks like they do but there also is only one maf left
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Post Post #261 (isolation #12) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:08 pm

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In post 260, Eragon wrote:does anyone else find it odd that Sando voted the only person V/LA and is calling them flat out SK?
dont think vla matters
but sk matters i think?
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Post Post #263 (isolation #13) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:10 pm

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In post 262, Sando wrote:
In post 219, AP wrote:About the Night action: 1 NK only either means (a) Mafia hit the SK & Vig got RB'd, (b) Vig hit the SK & Mafia got RB'd, (c) both SK & Mafia targeted Blackstar & Vig got RB'd (can't see the town Vig targeting Blackstar to be honest), (d) Someone holstered (and you can repeat all possibilities for where the other NK went).
So I think you're saying this here already, but 100% the SK targeted Black, the SK is one-shot immune from RB as well as getting NKd, so there's no way to stop the SK kill N1 if they're alive, which they are.
who do u think maf targetted
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Post Post #267 (isolation #14) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:12 pm

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In post 265, Eragon wrote:
In post 261, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 260, Eragon wrote:does anyone else find it odd that Sando voted the only person V/LA and is calling them flat out SK?
dont think vla matters
but sk matters i think?
uhh it matters that they are inactive and an easy push/mis-lynch.

What could be a possibility is Scum!Sando who attacked SK!Ejji and is trying to get Ejji lynched before they come back

or another possibility


did something spicy happen last night Sando?
sure but both town would also push vla because they dont discriminate against who they think are scum.
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Post Post #268 (isolation #15) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:12 pm

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In post 266, ManateeDude wrote:So either
1) Maf and SK had the same target
2) The roleblocker blocked the goon
or maf hit sk
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Post Post #277 (isolation #16) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:19 pm

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In post 273, AP wrote:Regarding Sando: I have him down as 100% Town. I did a reread during the night and concluded he can neither be the SK nor MM's partner.

Regarding Unreal: I can see him posting that EoD post after the hammer. It could be out of frustration he was too late to save his partner. It could also be "I'm sorry I couldn't get on the wagon for town credit, and I need to justify that".

Regarding the SK (whoever that might be): It is highly likely they are now known by either the Mafia or the Vig. The fact we only had one NK (i.e. 2 NKs were blocked) = someone hit the SK. Unless the SK themselves didn't kill, or both the SK and the Mafia targeted Blackstar; there's a missing NK even with the RB blocking one of the Vig/Mafia. This means the SK is likely going down tonight. (Funny fact: That would be less likely if we lynched the second Mafia today, in case it was them who tried to eat the SK last night).
so you think vig shot n1?
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Post Post #286 (isolation #17) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:27 pm

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In post 277, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 273, AP wrote:Regarding Sando: I have him down as 100% Town. I did a reread during the night and concluded he can neither be the SK nor MM's partner.

Regarding Unreal: I can see him posting that EoD post after the hammer. It could be out of frustration he was too late to save his partner. It could also be "I'm sorry I couldn't get on the wagon for town credit, and I need to justify that".

Regarding the SK (whoever that might be): It is highly likely they are now known by either the Mafia or the Vig. The fact we only had one NK (i.e. 2 NKs were blocked) = someone hit the SK. Unless the SK themselves didn't kill, or both the SK and the Mafia targeted Blackstar; there's a missing NK even with the RB blocking one of the Vig/Mafia. This means the SK is likely going down tonight. (Funny fact: That would be less likely if we lynched the second Mafia today, in case it was them who tried to eat the SK last night).
so you think vig shot n1?
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Post Post #294 (isolation #18) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:35 pm

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In post 289, AP wrote:
In post 277, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 273, AP wrote:Regarding Sando: I have him down as 100% Town. I did a reread during the night and concluded he can neither be the SK nor MM's partner.

Regarding Unreal: I can see him posting that EoD post after the hammer. It could be out of frustration he was too late to save his partner. It could also be "I'm sorry I couldn't get on the wagon for town credit, and I need to justify that".

Regarding the SK (whoever that might be): It is highly likely they are now known by either the Mafia or the Vig. The fact we only had one NK (i.e. 2 NKs were blocked) = someone hit the SK. Unless the SK themselves didn't kill, or both the SK and the Mafia targeted Blackstar; there's a missing NK even with the RB blocking one of the Vig/Mafia. This means the SK is likely going down tonight. (Funny fact: That would be less likely if we lynched the second Mafia today, in case it was them who tried to eat the SK last night).
so you think vig shot n1?
Maybe they did.. maybe they didn't. If I was them I would have. :roll:
if im reading this right there is a chance you have a chance at knowing who sk is then right?
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Post Post #304 (isolation #19) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:54 pm

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im assuming ur the vig because ur so insistent on vig nking night 1 and i dont think town would decide to nk n1 unless they there was a red flag
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Post Post #310 (isolation #20) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:25 am

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In post 306, LuckyOtter wrote:Oka, nice to see you again.

If you think meta is dumb, why is it one of the reasons you're voting NM?

Do you have any other reads yet? I promise not to scumread you this time for posting reads right away :P
oh im voting nm in spite of meta because he cant keep using meta to defend his play
honestly im kinda in a weird limbo with reads rn because im getting a lot of nulls so im poking around to see who to go back and iso and deathtunnel
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Post Post #312 (isolation #21) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:53 am

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or vig didnt shoot
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Post Post #318 (isolation #22) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:44 am

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In post 313, AP wrote:@CJV: Really?? You know, after my reread and by association and "best guessing" ..etc I had ruled you out of being anti-town despite not particularly liking your posts of D1. You faking total ignorance here still rubs me the wrong way and I can't be too sure you're not the Mafia/SK after all.

@Oka: I have been coming from the PoV Vig always shoots here, since it is an "investigative vig shot" so to speak, but now I can see someone who holstered bc they weren't confident enough and thus were of hitting a TPR.

Basically the odds of RB blocking the Mafia/Vig are the exact same odds of Mafia/Vig having hit the SK. I don't know how to calculate the odds of a Vig not shooting because that's not explicitly a mechanical thing, but rather a reads and personality thing.

Now that everyone has posted in the new day, I would assume that the Cop got a clear on their target or they would've claimed the guilty (that would have eliminated one of the 2 anti-town NK's, so absolutely no point is hinting a guilty rather than explicitly announce it).

This means my lynch pool for today is in Unreal/CJ/N_M (in that order of preference)
There is a higher chance of landing town than scum.
So it's investigave at the cost of town.
Unless you are pretty sure of scum
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Post Post #322 (isolation #23) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:00 pm

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Ok explain
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Post Post #330 (isolation #24) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:13 pm

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can yall throw some votes down preferably on n_m
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Post Post #334 (isolation #25) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:49 pm

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explain to me the town motivation of posting only naked votes or non game related content
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Post Post #337 (isolation #26) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:57 pm

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i played with him a long time ago and he was not like this
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Post Post #339 (isolation #27) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:10 pm

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okay tell me, how do you discern whether he is scum or town if he doesnt talk and only votes
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Post Post #348 (isolation #28) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:46 pm

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In post 216, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 90, Sando wrote:
I think decent chance of scum in ejj/MM, and I don't think they're scum together. 44 through 49 did not feel organic to me and I'm trying to put my finger on anything specific in there, it feels a bit buddying to me. They're both disagreeing with a hypo claim (which is fine to disagree with) using talk about whether the
cop
GS should claim or not if threatened with lynching (which is not a fine conversation, obviously they should and that has no bearing on us hypoing or not). They also both focus on the
cop
GS while ignoring the other PRs, who is the biggest threat to SK since no block there, and obviously a big threat to Mafia as well
This was the only comment sando made on MM, and later in the day didn't comment at all. I feel like this was a weak attempt at distancing. Also the excessive on smth I felt was T v T gives me scummy vibes.

VOTE: Sando

Also agree with eragon wagon was probably pure of mafia.
Also the excessive on smth I felt was T v T gives me scummy vibes.

clarify please @manatee dude
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Post Post #369 (isolation #29) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:18 am

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In post 358, LuckyOtter wrote:Oka, aside from N_M, what are your reads so far?
u know right now im only really getting a scumread on not mafia, nothing is really sticking out to anyone else that suggests them being mafia to me because imo no real actions have occurred that seem to have solely scum motivation behind it.

unless u want my gut reads based on how ppl talk then sure i can give it to you but i promise it wont be helpful because my gut sucks
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Post Post #371 (isolation #30) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:46 am

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Do I think MM was bussed? Maybe
Do I think Sando sussing but not voting CJ is suspicious? No
Do you I read you and seal as TvT? You and CJ? CJ swap? Here's the thing, both town and scum have legitimate justifications for doing these actions so I don't really know do I.
Does it worry me Eragon has too many townreads? Yeah, but that's not going to be indicating me of alignment. It's a playstyle choice people make.

so yeah im just going to sit on not_mafia because I don't see how his play has any town motivation behind it.
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Post Post #377 (isolation #31) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:53 pm

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In post 376, Sando wrote:
In post 337, OkaPoka wrote:i played with him a long time ago and he was not like this
Oka how long ago was this? You took a break and have come back correct? So you played with him pre-break but not since coming back?
3-4 years ago?

yes

yes
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Post Post #382 (isolation #32) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:05 pm

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In post 379, UnrealSeal wrote:UNVOTE:

I had originally voted OkaPoka due to a theory that came about from his 304 (that being he was SK trying to point out Vig to the last mafia). I don't like the insistence on N_M but I don't think anti-town would push it this long and his continued play doesn't fit the original theory.'

With that said, I am at a loss for actual scum-reads so I'll vote the person who gives me the most bad vibes

VOTE: AP
does not_mafia not give you bad vibes
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Post Post #383 (isolation #33) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:06 pm

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In post 134, UnrealSeal wrote:
In post 126, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
N_M didn't post enough for me to read him. Why do you believe he's town for some unexplained votes? :shifty:
It's N_M's meta. He plays in a way that makes him very easy to sort.
tell me how you sort n_m from scum/town based on what he has posted
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Post Post #387 (isolation #34) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:39 am

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Do you guys really think unreal is scum?
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Post Post #389 (isolation #35) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:12 am

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Do you think scum unreal would leave my wagon which has the potential of gaining steam with lucky hopping in and create a new wagon on someone with no votes and seemingly townread by many?
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Post Post #392 (isolation #36) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:55 am

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So your case against him relies on him thinking I am a PR?
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Post Post #398 (isolation #37) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:43 pm

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was the last question directed at me
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Post Post #400 (isolation #38) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:07 pm

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the only world in which abandoing a wagon that is potentially gaining steam (my wagon with lucky joining unreal's vote) is less safe than starting a vote on no-one else wagon (AP) is one in which AP is scumread/unreal has a lead.

I don't see this as a scumSEAL play, rather I don't see this as the optimal way for scumSEAL to play this game. The safer and higher winrate play imo for a scumSEAL is to stick on me and try to get others to join on my wagon b/c AP is townread and would be a tough lynch to sell while I'd be an easier lynch target.

Seal gets the benefit of not being a bandwagoner for hardpushing me to get lynched too.
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Post Post #402 (isolation #39) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:42 pm

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here's the thing AP, I don't think your scum but I also think that your vote on Seal is barking up the wrong tree. I don't really see scumSEAL voting for you in this phase.

how about u vote not mafia with me
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Post Post #404 (isolation #40) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:24 pm

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same question for you eragon, would scumseal really abandon a potential wagon on me for one on AP?
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Post Post #407 (isolation #41) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:10 pm

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In post 406, Sando wrote:
In post 400, OkaPoka wrote:the only world in which abandoing a wagon that is potentially gaining steam (my wagon with lucky joining unreal's vote) is less safe than starting a vote on no-one else wagon (AP) is one in which AP is scumread/unreal has a lead.
So you're saying that if Unreal flips town or claims a PR you're not going to have some piercing questions for those on the wagon? Sitting on a wagon is not "safe", or at least it shouldn't be. Vote-parking, which Unreal specifically says he's doing, is "safe" because you're saying that you're not really pushing a lynch, you just want to park your vote somewhere, preferably somewhere where it's not about to become the hot button topic.

You're also ignoring that both times he votes, he specifically says "I have no real scumreads", how is that not an indicator of playing it safe and expressing a lack of conviction in votes/reads?

I'm away for the next 24 hours or so. Please be aware that you have N_M in the game with a penchant for lolhammering. You also have Manatee in the game with a penchant for stealing N_Ms lolhammer :lol: :lol: :lol:
i guess if he has no intent on lynching then you are right and I am wrong

but we do not yet know he has no intent on pushing AP and lynching him, its been like a day since he voted him and we are pretty early so he still has time to hard push
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Post Post #408 (isolation #42) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:05 pm

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I'm bored lets do an analysis of what N_M has done this game.

He has made 8 posts day 1 and 2 posts day 2, for a grand total of 10 posts!

Three of which are solely commenting on a joke he wanted to be posted, a conversation with the mod. Technically speaking, he did talk to Sando in one of these posts on the subject of jokes, but he did so in an unmeaningful manner, refering to jokes again. Remember this is also the stage of RVS, 3/10 posts from Not_Mafia are in RVS and do not create a real conversation with any players. It can be argued he was conversing with Sando here, but really, was that his intention? I believe that he made these 3 posts as a meme, a shitpost, with no intention of hunting mafia. I mean it is hard to scumhunt in RVS so we can forgive him for that one, but I think it is glaring when 30% of your posts are in RVS and are directed mainly towards the moderator.
Spoiler: joke posts
In post 8, Not_Mafia wrote:Where's my joke? Also fix the second post please
In post 16, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 14, Sando wrote:
In post 8, Not_Mafia wrote:Where's my joke? Also fix the second post please
VOTE: NM

You're meant to send the joke, not get one :lol: :lol: :lol:
I did, I even created it myself
In post 17, Not_Mafia wrote:I demand it be posted in all it's hilarity

NM's joke
(which I don't get but we're not here to discuss the semantics of a joke)
: I went to the shop earlier and asked the shop assistant "Where are you Oxo Cubes?", she replied, "Sorry, we're out of stock."
-Kor


Not_Mafia has 4 of his 10 posts (40%!) as merely naked vote posts! No explanation, no question, no commentary, just merely a vote and that is all. Some can argue that we can forgive not_mafia because "meta" and that well technically he is doing something. But this also means that he is generating no content whatsoever, he is merely another vote and that is all. At the root of it all, the strength of all town roles is the ability to voice their opinions and to vote. Not_mafia with his playstyle has essentially removed the voice aspect of playing town, if he is even playing town. Explain to me how 40% of someone's posts can merely be a naked vote and that being an indicator of pro-town, and indicator that he is indeed not scum. Point to me a game in which Not_mafia has had 40% of his posts be simply a vote and that is all.

Spoiler: vote posts
In post 99, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: MM
In post 123, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: ceejay
In post 150, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: MM
In post 249, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Sando


2 of his 10 posts (20%!!!!!!) are again talking to the mod and that is all. Here Not_mafia is arguing the definition of twilight with the moderator. One can argue this is not alignment indicative, but really? Is it productive to have a fifth of your posts be arguing with the moderator what the definition of certain terminology and game states should be? Is it really indicating that not_mafia is playing to the town's win condition when a fifth of his posts are about what twilight should be? Any town player has the right to question what the moderator's definition of certain things should be, I am not arguing with that, but is it town when you have your most complex ideas and sentences presented only when talking to the moderator rather than creating a conversation with the rest of town?

Spoiler: talking to the mod
In post 196, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 193, Korina wrote:
MM may continue posting until their role is flipped btw

Twilight posting is also fine with me, all rules still apply though
Twilight is the time between a hammer and mod coming to the thread, not whatever this is
In post 203, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 198, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 196, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 193, Korina wrote:
MM may continue posting until their role is flipped btw

Twilight posting is also fine with me, all rules still apply though
Twilight is the time between a hammer and mod coming to the thread, not whatever this is
R u the mod?


Here, finally, not_mafia asks a question to the rest of town. A whole 10% of his posts are generating content. A simple question, excellent. But let me ask you this, is it really town to have only 10% of your posts be content/content generation? Also not_mafia has not followed up on this question, he has remained in the shadows once again.

Spoiler: finally
In post 373, Not_Mafia wrote:Why are the people not voting not voting?


3/10 posts by Not_mafia are solely on the topic of "jokes"
4/10 posts by Not_Mafia are talking to the moderator and the moderator alone.
4/10 posts by Not_mafia are solely naked votes
1/10 posts by Not_mafia have the potential to generate content.
9/10 posts by Not_mafia have zero potential to create discussion, generate content, or engages in a meaningful way with the other members of this village

So I ask all of you, what alignment has to gain from limited discussion? What alignment has to gain from no meaningful engagements? What alignment has to gain from town slowing down, forced to compromise on last minute lynches? What alignment has to gain from a weakened town, burdened with inactivity, and the potential to even reach no lynches?

It's not like not_mafia is unable to formulate words beyond the structure of "vote:name"
He has proven that he can speak when talking to the mod, he has proven he is paying attention when discussion twilight situations, he has proven that he reads the game when he asks his only question.

So why aren't we voting up not_mafia? Meta? Show me a game where he has done this playstyle of non interactivity, of having a sizeable amount of posts being naked votes, of interacting more with the moderator than with the players. Tell me why that his playstyle is playing to town's win condition and not scum.

If you can't, vote not_mafia.
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Post Post #410 (isolation #43) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:38 am

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So why aren't we voting up not_mafia? Meta? Show me a game where he has done this playstyle of non interactivity, of having a sizeable amount of posts being naked votes, of interacting more with the moderator than with the players. Tell me why that his playstyle is playing to town's win condition and not scum.
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Post Post #413 (isolation #44) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:40 pm

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In post 412, AP wrote:
In post 411, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm town
Holy cow! An udder empty post of those and even I am going to start suspecting you!!
Do we have to milk you for reads? Say something and let's get the game moooooving!
vote him or he can do this without consequence
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Post Post #419 (isolation #45) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:27 am

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In post 414, Sando wrote:
In post 413, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 412, AP wrote:
In post 411, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm town
Holy cow! An udder empty post of those and even I am going to start suspecting you!!
Do we have to milk you for reads? Say something and let's get the game moooooving!
vote him or he can do this without consequence
Oka he does this without consequence...it's his meta and you kinda have to deal with that. He feeds off reactions like you, and voting/lynching him will absolutely not change his playstyle, quite the opposite.
let's say you are right and this is his meta

how do you tell scum not_mafia from town not_mafia
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Post Post #420 (isolation #46) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:27 am

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In post 417, ManateeDude wrote:Im really hating Oka's push on Not_Mafia, but I still get towny vibes from it. So Idm joining the seal vote

VOTE: UnrealSeal

L-1
what do you hate about it?
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Post Post #422 (isolation #47) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:05 am

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In post 421, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 420, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 417, ManateeDude wrote:Im really hating Oka's push on Not_Mafia, but I still get towny vibes from it. So Idm joining the seal vote

VOTE: UnrealSeal

L-1
what do you hate about it?
BECAUSE HE DOES THIS ALL THE TIME. ITS NOT SCUMMY FOR HIM.
okay, tell me what he does as scum and what he does as town then and how do sort him from there.
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Post Post #425 (isolation #48) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:34 am

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Other scum could be anyone. Don't know, don't care rn. Maybe it is seal, I just think not_mafia is a much superior lynch than seal today. If the deadline comes I'll lynch seal, in fact ill lynch anyone who I feel is lurking today.

maybe not_mafia is indeed unlynchable tho, like an explanation why and an answer to my questions from the people ive asked from.
In post 410, OkaPoka wrote:
So why aren't we voting up not_mafia? Meta? Show me a game where he has done this playstyle of non interactivity, of having a sizeable amount of posts being naked votes, of interacting more with the moderator than with the players. Tell me why that his playstyle is playing to town's win condition and not scum.
still directed to everyone
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Post Post #428 (isolation #49) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:12 pm

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In post 426, UnrealSeal wrote:Scum N_M simply does not post at all. In the game I played with scum N_M, he put down 1 naked vote then fucked off the rest of D1. Here's he put down multiple nakeds and is generally drawing more attention than the last time.

Honestly, the best thing to do with N_M is to get any town investigatives on him immediately. Policy Lynching/Vigging him is bad because if he's town he can be a genuinely good asset, if somewhat exasperating to work with.
explain to me how someone who is borderline trolling and is a dank memer a good asset to work with.

if anything its a terrible asset because if we move to lylo and he is town, not_mafia is a free lynch for scum

and if he is scum then he can get away with trolling and bullshit and wifom and town will go in circles and kill themselves
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Post Post #429 (isolation #50) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:12 pm

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although i do appreciate that you gave the best response to my question
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Post Post #431 (isolation #51) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:50 pm

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okay so if sando flips town we lynch not_mafia and if sando flips scum not_mafia is a good boi?

want to try out this experiment
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Post Post #433 (isolation #52) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:54 pm

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k
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Post Post #434 (isolation #53) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:55 pm

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VOTE: sando
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Post Post #437 (isolation #54) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:58 pm

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i sheep not_mafia until he gets one wrong
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Post Post #439 (isolation #55) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:17 pm

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In post 438, Sando wrote:
In post 425, OkaPoka wrote:
Other scum could be anyone.
Don't know, don't care rn. Maybe it is seal, I just think not_mafia is a much superior lynch than seal today.
So you acknowledge you're considering the "other scum", which is a different faction than whatever scum you think (thought) NM is, then:
In post 431, OkaPoka wrote:okay so if sando flips town we lynch not_mafia and if sando flips scum not_mafia is a good boi?
You assume a binary outcome here, red+red is flat out not an option for you in this scenario? Why not?
one maf is dead
that means
there is either sk left
maf left
or sk and maf left

so yeah
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Post Post #440 (isolation #56) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:19 pm

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and to the other point:
if you flip red and game isnt over and not_mafia isnt dead
we keep sheeping him until he is wrong

this isnt a ridiculous strategy join the train

because not_mafia is an omniscient mafia genius who needs no explanation
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Post Post #441 (isolation #57) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:20 pm

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I'm town btw
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Post Post #443 (isolation #58) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:34 pm

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would you say not_mafia is trolling?
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Post Post #445 (isolation #59) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:39 pm

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okay

so when you say im acknowledging other scum as another faction then that is a given right?
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Post Post #447 (isolation #60) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:41 pm

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In post 446, Sando wrote:
In post 443, OkaPoka wrote:would you say not_mafia is trolling?
He always trolls.
is there a difference between scum not_mafia and town not_mafia that we can find?
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Post Post #449 (isolation #61) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:56 pm

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and I can't see any logical town rational reason for not_mafia's play nor can i see any reason for town to defend his meta playstyle but here we are, thus I can only assume that these defenders are either a) scum and full of shit b) haven't responded and are willing to vote not_mafia in which case i am happy to lynch not_mafia or c) not_mafia is an omniscient mafia player and we need to sheep
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Post Post #450 (isolation #62) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:56 pm

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In post 447, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 446, Sando wrote:
In post 443, OkaPoka wrote:would you say not_mafia is trolling?
He always trolls.
is there a difference between scum not_mafia and town not_mafia that we can find?
but respond to this still please
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Post Post #452 (isolation #63) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:59 pm

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then why arent u seeing the easy solution to this game

go ahead an L-1 unreal and let not_mafia show up and lolhammer
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Post Post #454 (isolation #64) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:08 pm

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k

so how do we figure out n_m alignment?
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Post Post #456 (isolation #65) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:44 pm

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would you say not_mafia is accurate with his reads?
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Post Post #458 (isolation #66) » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:52 pm

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I am not sold on not_mafia being town, could you explain to me why this is his town game? His trolling may be different this game, but he can't get away with the same style of trolling twice right?
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Post Post #462 (isolation #67) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:43 am

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I don't feel happy that people are complaining about the discussion but not answering my question about how to sort town not_mafia from scum not_mafia
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Post Post #464 (isolation #68) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:51 am

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but if you don't like it, where do you want to see the game go and where do you want the discussion to center around?
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Post Post #465 (isolation #69) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:51 am

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In post 463, Eragon wrote:I’ve never played with NM before so I can’t contribute to that
u willing to vote n_m?
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Post Post #468 (isolation #70) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:14 am

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can i hold you to eating your own literal hat.
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Post Post #476 (isolation #71) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:22 pm

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In post 474, Not_Mafia wrote:Sando is still scum
why can you get away with lack of verbosity and i cant get away with it
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Post Post #477 (isolation #72) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:22 pm

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teach me your ways
i wish to learn
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Post Post #479 (isolation #73) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:24 pm

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In post 471, ceejayvinoya wrote:@OkaPoka how about considering everyone else? I mean, practically everyone else has more content than NM that we could analyze.
gimme name of person you want me to make post on and i go make post on that one person

but then u have to vote not_mafia or sando if i do this

deal?
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Post Post #480 (isolation #74) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:24 pm

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EDWOP: nvm just vote sando go go go
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Post Post #481 (isolation #75) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:26 pm

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In post 478, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 477, OkaPoka wrote:teach me your ways
i wish to learn
Sando is scum, that's all you need to know for now
if ur wrong can i lynch u tmr
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Post Post #484 (isolation #76) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:28 pm

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In post 483, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 481, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 478, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 477, OkaPoka wrote:teach me your ways
i wish to learn
Sando is scum, that's all you need to know for now
if ur wrong can i lynch u tmr
No, sorry
okay then, why is it all i need to know for now then?
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Post Post #485 (isolation #77) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:29 pm

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I have a feeling im going to get ghosted by not_mafia now that i asked that question
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Post Post #487 (isolation #78) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:35 pm

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VOTE: not_mafia

ur a manipulative son of a bitch
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Post Post #489 (isolation #79) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:38 pm

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he is actually a genius

he got me to blame myself for ending the conversation for a moment

but then i thought to myself

why the fuck would town do that?

and there is a difference between trolling for the sake of the meme and being emotionally manipulative
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Post Post #492 (isolation #80) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:47 pm

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Post Post #494 (isolation #81) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:50 pm

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Post Post #496 (isolation #82) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:29 pm

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Post Post #497 (isolation #83) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:30 pm

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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsswAbB725o[/youtube]

does this work?
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Post Post #498 (isolation #84) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:31 pm

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praise the lord i figured it out
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Post Post #501 (isolation #85) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:38 am

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In post 499, ceejayvinoya wrote:
In post 479, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 471, ceejayvinoya wrote:@OkaPoka how about considering everyone else? I mean, practically everyone else has more content than NM that we could analyze.
gimme name of person you want me to make post on and i go make post on that one person

but then u have to vote not_mafia or sando if i do this

deal?
Why are you asking me for targets. Where's your case on sando???
because making a case on everyone is a lot of effort and im lazy

my case on sando was not a case, it was me thinking that not_mafia had a lead on sando or something, but not_mafia obviously doesn't so im back to lynching not_mafia
In post 500, ceejayvinoya wrote:And why are you fooling around with NM? I thought you were this 'hey I'm being helpful to town' kind of guy but this here isn't productive.
started as me trying to get responses, but he was online and i was online so we started a relationship until he started being abusive

also im trying to prove a point here but i suck at proving points so ill keep trying
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Post Post #502 (isolation #86) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:09 am

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At the very least 10/12 people here are town, maybe even 11/12

At the very least we have 2 town prs, maybe even 3 town prs

so at the current moment, im townreading most people, or at the very least not scumreading them. and that shouldn't surprise you based on how many town is up. if we delve later into the game, maybe i can start having some solidified reads by at the moment, no.
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Post Post #504 (isolation #87) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:43 am

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Lazy Reads:

1. AP- too much game theory crafting, not enough scumhunting. Both town and scum do this so null.
2. ceejayvinoya - too quiet for my taste, but still more interative then his scum game, ehh null
4. UnrealSeal - really don't see the scum play in this game, i can see town and scum do the things he do
6. ejjinami -way too quiet, though he was on V/LA
7. Not_Mafia - does this guy ever do something protown
8. Eragon - started out loud, quieted down
9. Sando - unreadable
10. ManateeDude - probably not scum because did the derp hammer
11. LuckyOtter - scum because meta xd, no but really luckyotter is feeling a lot quieter than my sample size of 1 game with him, though he was right about MM and i don't see scum bussing their own party. My vote for SK. He seems to be trying to start discussion with others without really being a part of it if you know what i mean. Feels like he is showing that he is trying to interact, but never getting his hands dirty and I feel like he too timid.

pedit: uh read the actual words i wrote please
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Post Post #507 (isolation #88) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:18 am

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will you eat ur hat if ur wrong?
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Post Post #509 (isolation #89) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:20 am

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when i flip town will u lynch not_mafia
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Post Post #514 (isolation #90) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:06 am

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In post 459, AP wrote:I'm happy to say I'm not happy with the game state. Where is everybody else?
In post 513, AP wrote:
In post 508, Skygazer wrote:sorry cant im vegan
Well then that tells me your hat is made of polyester and not cotton. Yes??
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Post Post #519 (isolation #91) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:50 am

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In post 518, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 514, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 459, AP wrote:I'm happy to say I'm not happy with the game state. Where is everybody else?
In post 513, AP wrote:
In post 508, Skygazer wrote:sorry cant im vegan
Well then that tells me your hat is made of polyester and not cotton. Yes??
Why not say how you feel about this, Oka?
i mean do i have to say anything

i just find it funny

but if u want to get analytical

scumAP could be making the first comment in order to change the conversation to lynching unrealseal but since he is scum he also failed to create a solid persona for himself and had to give into the memes in order to seem more friendly and likeable

or he could just be a normal town player that is disappointed but doesn't want to do anything about it
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Post Post #522 (isolation #92) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:18 pm

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i agree once i get lynched not_mafia gets lynched its a valuable sacrifice for town

a) i have no idea im guessing my reads still suck but its my guess
b1) its scummy for u because ive played with u and ur not quiet as much as i hate meta, if not_mafia was quiet but still analytical it wouldnt be scummy
b2) he is too quiet i dont have to list everything out in a basic and generic readslist
c) because sando did game theory in previous game as town so its a null read and its still a null read for ap i dont know what u want from me
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Post Post #524 (isolation #93) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:23 pm

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me 2
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Post Post #526 (isolation #94) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:26 pm

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only if u promise to talk a lot more or let yourself by lynched tmr if he flips town
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Post Post #528 (isolation #95) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:27 pm

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then why is sando scum
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Post Post #531 (isolation #96) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:34 pm

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tell me ur also trying to prove a point here unrealseal
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Post Post #533 (isolation #97) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:35 pm

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oww that hurts
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Post Post #535 (isolation #98) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:36 pm

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so you are super townreading him?
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Post Post #540 (isolation #99) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:42 pm

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a) im not game solving, im not even saying one of you or not_mafia is scum, im not saying if one is sk the other is maf. im just saying that you two were my highest scumread and i find it more likely for you to be sk than maf,
b) because meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta, its more scummy for you because ur established as an active townsplayer
c) my reads are shitty and bs thats why i didnt want to do a readslist because rn the only important read for me is the one on not_mafia i have

im pretty sure im voting not_mafia rn, ive answered questions directed at me, but nice try
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Post Post #542 (isolation #100) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:49 pm

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In post 439, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 438, Sando wrote:
In post 425, OkaPoka wrote:
Other scum could be anyone.
Don't know, don't care rn. Maybe it is seal, I just think not_mafia is a much superior lynch than seal today.
So you acknowledge you're considering the "other scum", which is a different faction than whatever scum you think (thought) NM is, then:
In post 431, OkaPoka wrote:okay so if sando flips town we lynch not_mafia and if sando flips scum not_mafia is a good boi?
You assume a binary outcome here, red+red is flat out not an option for you in this scenario? Why not?
one maf is dead
that means
there is either sk left
maf left
or sk and maf left

so yeah
In post 440, OkaPoka wrote:and to the other point:
if you flip red and game isnt over and not_mafia isnt dead
we keep sheeping him until he is wrong

this isnt a ridiculous strategy join the train

because not_mafia is an omniscient mafia genius who needs no explanation
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Post Post #544 (isolation #101) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:51 pm

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find a new slant

ur 448 is not even accurate

i didnt assume only one of you can be scum

i was just going to sheep not_mafia until he was wrong at the time
and then lynch him

so logically speaking if u flipped red, n_m wagons up another who flips green then id scumread n_m

but k

pedit: ahem do u super townread not_mafia seal
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Post Post #547 (isolation #102) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:56 pm

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yeah teh goal post got moved before you made 448
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Post Post #552 (isolation #103) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:23 pm

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VOTE: sando

Spoiler: have fun reading this wall of ramblings
this is incentive for sando to respond to me:

Would you say this timeline is correct sando?
I say one of not_mafia or sando is probably maf.
In post 431, OkaPoka wrote:okay so if sando flips town we lynch not_mafia and if sando flips scum not_mafia is a good boi?

want to try out this experiment
ur response:
In post 438, Sando wrote:
In post 425, OkaPoka wrote:
Other scum could be anyone.
Don't know, don't care rn. Maybe it is seal, I just think not_mafia is a much superior lynch than seal today.
So you acknowledge you're considering the "other scum", which is a different faction than whatever scum you think (thought) NM is, then:
In post 431, OkaPoka wrote:okay so if sando flips town we lynch not_mafia and if sando flips scum not_mafia is a good boi?
You assume a binary outcome here, red+red is flat out not an option for you in this scenario? Why not?
saying that im assuming too much. im not considering the very possibility of n_m and sando scum

fine:

i revise my strategy
In post 439, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 438, Sando wrote:
In post 425, OkaPoka wrote:
Other scum could be anyone.
Don't know, don't care rn. Maybe it is seal, I just think not_mafia is a much superior lynch than seal today.
So you acknowledge you're considering the "other scum", which is a different faction than whatever scum you think (thought) NM is, then:
In post 431, OkaPoka wrote:okay so if sando flips town we lynch not_mafia and if sando flips scum not_mafia is a good boi?
You assume a binary outcome here, red+red is flat out not an option for you in this scenario? Why not?
one maf is dead
that means
there is either sk left
maf left
or sk and maf left

so yeah
In post 440, OkaPoka wrote:and to the other point:
if you flip red and game isnt over and not_mafia isnt dead
we keep sheeping him until he is wrong

this isnt a ridiculous strategy join the train

because not_mafia is an omniscient mafia genius who needs no explanation
ill sheep until not_mafia is wrong
IMPLYING THAT BOTH OF YOU CAN BE SCUM


you at the time, respond with
In post 448, Sando wrote:
In post 445, OkaPoka wrote:okay

so when you say im acknowledging other scum as another faction then that is a given right?
I'm saying that in your Sando vs NM post you've assumed that only one of us can flip scum. The only people who can assume that (other than me and NM obviously) are:

Scum (either Mafia or SK)
GS with an inno on one of the 2 - that's not true here, you'd be pushing your inno and I can't see a gambit/trap from you here
Vig with a guilty elsewhere - that's not true here, and even if true you can't be 100%
Vig who ate Blackstar!Mafia - somehow I doubt that...

So given I can't see any logical town rational for your assumption+play, that only leaves scum in that list.
okay, that is a fair analysis of my pre-revised plan. maybe you are responding to that, i don't know. we continue to talk about meta and not _mafia and you dont spam me to follow up, so i assume you got my implication was just trying to clarify your own position.



then out of left field
In post 532, Sando wrote:
In post 520, LuckyOtter wrote:A. If you feel that scum didn't bus MM, and you're pinning me as SK, what does that make Not_Mafia, who voted MM before I did?
Oka literally cannot handle the idea that there's multiple scum, as I talked about in 448. Oka has ignored this point for a while now.
but i already told you that ill sheep not_mafia until he is wrong. which means if you flip scum and our next n_m lynch flips town then we lynch not_mafia. therefore implying that yes, both of you can be scum.
In post 539, Sando wrote:
In post 533, OkaPoka wrote:oww that hurts
So you're just going to...keep ignoring it?

So the basis of your plan here Oka is to sheep someone you complain is completely unreadable, and when that persons target flips town, claim vindication and lynch the person you were sheeping? All the while ignoring actual content, directed at you or otherwise.

As you're so keen of asking, please, explain to me the town rationale behind that?
wow that is a serious bundle of outdated stuff. i had already revised my plan, i was no longer doing the sheep not_mafia strategy. i answered the questions directed at me, in fact im generating the content here.
In post 541, Sando wrote:
In post 540, OkaPoka wrote:im pretty sure im voting not_mafia rn, ive answered questions directed at me, but nice try
I literally just linked to a post from you that you ignored and instead responded with "ow that hurts".

VOTE: Okapoka
and then this.
you accuse me of ignoring 448, but at the time you didnt want me to followup. i believed it was all clarified because of my revising posts of the strategy of the time, which mind you occurred before 448. i mean i guess i ignored 448 to the same extent of me saying "the sky is blue" and then you asking "what color is the sky" and then i dont respond. I literally preemptively answered your question, which i didnt even know was a question at the time, but if it was then i already answered it. i modified my plan due to your criticisms, which should have been obvious because you were still conversing with me.
In post 546, Sando wrote:
In post 544, OkaPoka wrote:i was just going to sheep not_mafia until he was wrong at the time
and then lynch him

so logically speaking if u flipped red, n_m wagons up another who flips green then id scumread n_m
Bullshit, you're moving the goalposts:
In post 431, OkaPoka wrote:okay so if sando flips town we lynch not_mafia and
if sando flips scum not_mafia is a good boi
?

want to try out this experiment
lmao
yes the plan was modified or "the goalposts were moved" but that was with your input.
if we reread 448 with context, it does not seem like you are trying to call me out anymore on not considering a n_m + sando scum, but if you were, i already answered the question BEFORE YOU CALLED ME OUT ON IT.
BEFORE
BEFORE
BEFORE


anything i miss?


pedit:
and before you say you actually wanted me to followup on 448
In post 451, Sando wrote:
In post 447, OkaPoka wrote:is there a difference between scum not_mafia and town not_mafia that we can find?
Here's a scumgame I played with him (I was town to his scum): viewtopic.php?f=52&t=75812

Here's his description of his play:
NM wrote:1 Quickhammer literally every gameday
2 Take Quick to LyLo
3 ??????????
4 Profit
He might know he can't get away with it this game, but lolhammering the L-1 on Unreal is very much something he'd do as scum and not as town.
In post 453, Sando wrote:
In post 452, OkaPoka wrote:then why arent u seeing the easy solution to this game

go ahead an L-1 unreal and let not_mafia show up and lolhammer
a) We've poisoned the well by having to talk this through so much and so deeply, he's not going to lolhammer through my "lol NM if you lolhammer you're clearly scum", so the clear doesn't mean much anymore. He's a troll, he's not an idiot, it's not like he's obligated to write the lolhammer if the opportunity presents, he has agency.
b) his trolling is different from the scumgame I just linked
c) Manatee already put Unreal to L-1 and NM didn't lolhammer
d) Lolhammer on a possible PR is a terrible way (risk/waste) to out scum
In post 455, Sando wrote:
In post 454, OkaPoka wrote:k

so how do we figure out n_m alignment?
What's this "we", I already TR NM, I'm giving you info to help you come to a conclusion, go read his other games.
In post 457, Sando wrote:
In post 456, OkaPoka wrote:would you say not_mafia is accurate with his reads?
Not particularly, no. He's maybe a bit better than average with his reads as town, but that's not saying much on MS.
In post 482, Sando wrote:@Korina I'm voting Ejj not AP.


Fixed
-Kor
In post 488, Sando wrote:
In post 487, OkaPoka wrote:VOTE: not_mafia

ur a manipulative son of a bitch
Bets on his response being "lol"
thats 6 posts over the course of more than a day without any indication of you wanting me to answer anything

but as soon as lucky and skygazer forms a wagon

your very next post is
In post 532, Sando wrote:
In post 520, LuckyOtter wrote:A. If you feel that scum didn't bus MM, and you're pinning me as SK, what does that make Not_Mafia, who voted MM before I did?
Oka literally cannot handle the idea that there's multiple scum, as I talked about in 448. Oka has ignored this point for a while now.
now you want me to followup. now suddenly i cannot consider multiple scum.
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Post Post #556 (isolation #104) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:23 pm

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@sando read post 552 and respond please and thank you
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Post Post #559 (isolation #105) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:43 pm

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did u even read my post
In post 440, OkaPoka wrote:and to the other point:
if you flip red and game isnt over and not_mafia isnt dead
we keep sheeping him until he is wrong

this isnt a ridiculous strategy join the train

because not_mafia is an omniscient mafia genius who needs no explanation

this means im implying that maybe both of you can be scum ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

did you really need me to outright say we are going to lynch not_mafia if he is wrong? somethings dont need to be said because they are implied. we stop following not_mafia, lynching him was implied which also implies i was considering those possibilities.
now before you argue that i didnt imply it
read 449
that means i was following the idea that not_mafia was omniscient
and omnscient people should always be right
unless they are lying?

1) yes at the time i assumed one, but then i changed it
2) my plan around sheeping NM was the only viable option for me to get nm because people didnt want to lynch not_mafia

okay yes you followed up, after people voted me? you had over 24 hours and fit 6 posts in the time, which you decided it wasn't worth asking. the point isnt the statute of limitations, the point is you didn't choose to make it a scumtell until i became a popular wagon.

yeah what changed is that you decided it would be funny to be inconsistent
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Post Post #560 (isolation #106) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:46 pm

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and you are purposely ignoring my intent of sheeping not_mafia at the time

my purpose was to get you to flip town so we could finally end not_mafia

because not_mafia was my only scumread and i was willing to sacrifice players for it
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Post Post #563 (isolation #107) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:51 pm

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and your 532 is espcially bad because what you were referring to in 448 was that i wasnt considering the possibility of you and not_mafia being scum but then you decided that you wanted to evolve and generalize that statement to me not considering the possibilities of multiple scum. i mean that is just flat out lying


what do you mean what the actual fuck?
you do know at that time i was only scumreading not_mafia right?
you also know that nobody else was voting not_mafia
so why the fuck would i sheep the only scumread i had?
maybe it was to prove a point, maybe it was because i was wanted to move the game in a direction in which n_m would be a lynch
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Post Post #567 (isolation #108) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:59 pm

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well i wasn;t in that game so i have no idea what you even mean

this game isnt that other game i promise you

yeah my plan might be stupid, but it is also like the only way i could attempt to get not_mafia to get lynched, either you actually get lynched and then not_mafia is forced to explain and then is lynched the next day or people see how ridiculous not_mafia is being and vote to lynch not_mafia that day. at that stage of the game, there was zero way not_mafia was going to be lynched, it was just unrealseal, which from my perspective was not scum and was the wrong direction to move the game into.


ceejay let me explain it:
i sheep not_mafia, i suggest to everyone else to do the same and if not_mafia is wrong we vote not_mafia.
now the chances of this actually happening is zero
the point isnt the sando lynch at all
the point is not_mafia is being ridiculous for saying sando is scum and then disappearing
so i decided to prove a point by being equally ridiculous
and if unrealseal's analysis is truly correct of not_mafia having godlike reads then there would be no reason for anyone else who has played with not_mafia to not join the wagon
the endgame was always to get not_mafia to get lynched
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Post Post #568 (isolation #109) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:06 pm

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and do you know what frustrates me most

is that nobody was even commenting on the lunacy of voting sando here
In post 434, OkaPoka wrote:VOTE: sando
zero
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Post Post #569 (isolation #110) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:08 pm

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still willing to lynch not_mafia btw
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Post Post #572 (isolation #111) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:13 pm

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okay let me run things down from my persepctive

not_mafia has not done a single protown play, he has been antitown the entire game, yet nobody seems to be seriously calling him out on it.
i hear its his meta, but then i hear somethign fucking stupid which is this playstyle can be beneficial and not_mafia is a good asset to town for this.
so i decided to prove a point by being an absolute lunatic by essentially turning not_mafia into a double vote and promising to blindly sheep him until he is wrong
i dont even explain why im voting sando, im just blindly sheeping not_mafia

im trying to imitate his behavior because it seems to me not_mafia is getting a free pass for it when he really shouldn't, even if it is his meta. i don't care if you townread me for it, i just want everyone to see the lunacy behind thinking that not_mafia is being an asset so we can get this day over and not_mafia lynched already.
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Post Post #574 (isolation #112) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:14 pm

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In post 571, Sando wrote:
In post 568, OkaPoka wrote:and do you know what frustrates me most

is that nobody was even commenting on the lunacy of voting sando here
In post 434, OkaPoka wrote:VOTE: sando
zero
WHAT?! That's literally what this entire conversation is about, how stupid it is to:
a) Sheep your own SR read
b) Promise to just keep lynching along that sheep-line until they get it wrong and then lynch them.

im blindly sheeping not_mafia to show the lunacy behind naked voting and not explaining why i scumread X person because Y


and if he lands you correctly well i might be completely wrong and maybe not_mafia IS THAT GOOD

im not trolling im trying to prove a point that trolling isnt an asset to town, so i guess actually i was trolling
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Post Post #575 (isolation #113) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:23 pm

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and honestly im fine with me being lynched here as long as you guys seriously consider lynching not_mafia and do not utter the word meta as a defense

because if ur going to use meta as a defense, then you also have to prove to me that he doesnt troll when he is scum
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Post Post #577 (isolation #114) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:29 pm

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i know thats why im trying to portray how ridiculous not_mafia is being and how ridiculous defending him is

we can afford to mislynch

why not use it on not_mafia, someone nobody is going to ever be able to read if we hit lylo

saying META as a defense for this level of play is ridiculous

so maybe, just maybe i can get people to see that this is ridiculous by turning not_mafia into a doublevoter and how much a danger it can be
or maybe im wrong, maybe, just maybe, not_mafia is a genuine an asset to town and will hit the jackpot with his reads

just my 2 cents tho
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Post Post #578 (isolation #115) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:32 pm

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and sando ur the only one who linked me a not_mafia scumgame,

and the problem there is not_mafia still had the same attitude of trolling
so no meta cannot be a defense for not_mafia because he plays the troll as scum and troll as town
you can say its NAI but then explain to me why is that not a massive threat to the stability of town
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Post Post #579 (isolation #116) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:34 pm

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and if u still think that not_mafia town is a massive asset to town because of his reads then vote sando
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Post Post #581 (isolation #117) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:52 pm

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okay how about this:

let's say we have 5 people left in a game
3 VT
1 Hated Townie (publicly claimed)
1 Mafia

now in this scenario, town could either go for the 25% shot at lynching the mafia or they could lynch the hated townie and then let mafia kill a VT to make it a 33% chance of lynching mafia
it would be better for winrate to lynch the hated townie because if they fail and mafia doesn't kill the hated, mafia quickhammers the next day in lylo and wins.

now not_mafia is basicalyl hated, he is unreadable and i guarantee you, if he keeps it up and isnt confirmed he will essentially be equivalent to a free lynch for scum which is extraordinary dangerous in lylo

thus we can either remove not_mafia now before lylo
or we can try and confirm him

and one suggested way of "confirming him" as town is lynching sando
now if sando flips scum, i get it, there is a slight chance of not_mafia being scum but if we are being realistic that is pretty low plus we have other ways to verify

but then you might say: why not wait for gunsmith to check him?
because gunsmith might die/been dead

so the best option we have for "confirming" not_mafia's alignment imo is have pr check him and lynching sando, or simply lynching not_mafia today
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Post Post #583 (isolation #118) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:12 pm

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my problem is that nobody cares about nm

we have to get him sorted asap because moving into lylo with him is going to be a loss
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Post Post #584 (isolation #119) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:12 pm

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either he is scum
or lynchbait town
or god town that can be lynch bait

we can get this sorted all by tmr by lynching sando or not_mafia and if we don't we run the risk of losing
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Post Post #586 (isolation #120) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:20 pm

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then vote sando and confirm not_mafia as a god amongst men
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Post Post #595 (isolation #121) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:15 pm

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top 4?
idk

ceejay
manatee
eragon
unrealseal

idk really its very sensitive still
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Post Post #596 (isolation #122) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:18 pm

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In post 594, Sando wrote:
In post 582, LuckyOtter wrote:Goddammit all to hell. Oka I legit can't tell anymore if you're being scummy or if you're just being an ass this game. All of this theater just to prove a point is distracting from the game elsewhere. Nobody cares about nm today. Doesn't mean nobody will care tomorrow.
Ok so my problem with Oka is that in Newbie 1873 we had an un-CC'd cop with an inno and instead of following the cop Oka decided to go off the deep-end with conspiracy theories about the cop lying, despite the fact that the real cop CCing would 100% win the game for town. Here, with someone who he legit thinks is scum, he thinks the best option is to sheep that person into a mislynch so he's got a slightly stronger case...

So when he's town and struggling for a read in 1873 he flails at the basically confirmed PR, but when he's struggling for a read here he decides to sheep his SR.

I just don't see those coming from the same person+alignment.
do u need me to respond to this
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Post Post #598 (isolation #123) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:57 am

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I don't really consciously townhunt if that's what you are asking
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Post Post #601 (isolation #124) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:03 am

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@manatee explain the scum motivation of those plays vs town motivation
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Post Post #605 (isolation #125) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:57 am

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In post 599, Skygazer wrote:well that's not good
why is that not good tho

I'd argue that forming early townreads based on limited information is highly dangerous as a town player because scum can act town and try and easily obv town it up while town doesn't give a fuck and once you have a townbloc formed, it makes you unwilling to lynch that pool and potentially causes you to overlook future scumslips.
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Post Post #609 (isolation #126) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:51 pm

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4 on unreal
3 on sando
2 on me
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Post Post #612 (isolation #127) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:01 pm

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viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76496 -town game
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=76478 - scum game
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63105 - older town game before my break
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=61987 - older scum game before break
u should read these games and then compare them to this game and see what conclusions you can draw, also read the one sando posted. (only if you have a shit ton of time)
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Post Post #616 (isolation #128) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:34 pm

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why are you afraid of putting people at L1?
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Post Post #619 (isolation #129) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:31 pm

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In post 617, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 616, OkaPoka wrote:why are you afraid of putting people at L1?
It's a mystery
are you saying this sarcastically or seriously?

like are saying it sarcastically implying that based on your reputation you will hammer?

are you saying it sarcastically implying that you think eragon+sando are scum and eragon knows sando is scum?

or are you saying it truthfully saying it is truly a mystery that eragon won't put people at L1?
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Post Post #620 (isolation #130) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:52 pm

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VOTE: unvote

ok im doubting everything rn
i don't like the unreal lynch, I feel like he is town
this not_mafia thing for me has to gone to far, the fact of the matter is that if most people still have essentially ignored my antics and are still willing to overlook not_mafia means not_mafia won't be lynched
obviously I don't want to be lynched
and I'm not sure about this sando lynch anymore. for a moment there i thought sando scum had its own merits beyond not_mafia, but I am also seeing the real possibility behind this being a misunderstanding. +it seems that basically noone other than maybe unrealseal is willing to do my sando+n_m plan so its hopeless.

Is it too late to find another lynch alternative?
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Post Post #621 (isolation #131) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:54 pm

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In post 188, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 187, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
In post 186, ManateeDude wrote:Sando v ceejay feels heavy T v T atm. Im gutreading both of them as town because of their tone.
So you believe the entire thing with Ceejay is a huge misunderstanding?
It just turned into a dumb fight I can't see scum initiating

VOTE: MM

This feels very pure atm
what are the chances that this is completely on accident, and he hammered his scum partner?
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Post Post #628 (isolation #132) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:48 am

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In post 623, LuckyOtter wrote:
V/LA through Monday


I may have some time in the evenings to make some posts. We'll see.

Oka, what makes you feel UnrealSeal is the real deal?
unrealseal might be scum but I don't really understand the wagon against him. I dislike how he seems to be reactive rather than proactive but I'm still pondering why he didn't vote me, it was an easy out for him to prevent his lynch. we know unrealseal is alone if he is scum so whiteknighting me is a massive risk as scum and is suboptimal. the only possibility is if he solid scumreads me. but i don't see a solid scumread unless he is mafia and attempted to attack me, and i lived. which then means imo possibility of him being scum is if someone rb'd him and he thinks im sk.
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Post Post #629 (isolation #133) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:50 am

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but i think the reason why all these wagons suck is we have been overlooking some solid town players that are actually scum.

maybe we won't be able to do this today but I want someone to see if AP and Eragon and ManateeDude can stand up to some harsh lines of questioning .
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Post Post #637 (isolation #134) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:02 pm

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am sick rn still skimming the thread, i think i might have a valid case against AP tmr
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Post Post #643 (isolation #135) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:41 am

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In post 620, OkaPoka wrote:VOTE: unvote

ok im doubting everything rn
i don't like the unreal lynch, I feel like he is town
this not_mafia thing for me has to gone to far, the fact of the matter is that if most people still have essentially ignored my antics and are still willing to overlook not_mafia means not_mafia won't be lynched
obviously I don't want to be lynched
and I'm not sure about this sando lynch anymore. for a moment there i thought sando scum had its own merits beyond not_mafia, but I am also seeing the real possibility behind this being a misunderstanding. +it seems that basically noone other than maybe unrealseal is willing to do my sando+n_m plan so its hopeless.

Is it too late to find another lynch alternative?

@korina

UNVOTE:

in case VC doesn't read vote unvotes

It should
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Post Post #644 (isolation #136) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:53 am

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okay this ap case won't work because when i did the reread im pretty sure lynching unrealseal would clear his name

lynching sando should help clear up not_mafia
lynching unreal might clear up AP

unreal is probably town but AP being town is going to be a bigger asset than not_mafia being town

VOTE: unrealseal
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Post Post #645 (isolation #137) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:56 am

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also am willing to be lynch candidate today if it clears up luckyotter as town because lucky is a strong asset to town as well
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Post Post #648 (isolation #138) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:51 am

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make a compelling case for it and ill reconsider because now im flipping coins
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Post Post #650 (isolation #139) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:01 am

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@unrealseal you should claim while you can
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Post Post #655 (isolation #140) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:40 am

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4 on seal as well lmao

vc got updated weirdly so i was voting seal before i voted him
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Post Post #656 (isolation #141) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:41 am

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VOTE: sando

fuck it get me into night
l1

if this flips town im tunneling n_m tmr have fun
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Post Post #660 (isolation #142) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:40 am

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@sando claimmmmmmmmm
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Post Post #664 (isolation #143) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:52 am

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please flip scum so i dont have to go insane tmr
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Post Post #674 (isolation #144) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:00 pm

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lmao
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Post Post #676 (isolation #145) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:01 pm

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what makes you say that
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Post Post #678 (isolation #146) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:01 pm

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i say its time for a role call + results and see if we can PoE this
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Post Post #680 (isolation #147) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:02 pm

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vt
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Post Post #682 (isolation #148) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:03 pm

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what if vig is dead
what if vig hit sk
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Post Post #684 (isolation #149) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:05 pm

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dietician solving the game would be nice ngl tho
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Post Post #687 (isolation #150) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:09 pm

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ap = vt
unreal = vt
sky = vt
eragon = vt
manatee = vt
okapoka = vt

lucky and cj unknown
diet, vig, rb are prs
one sk

so we either have one sk + two prs or one sk + one pr
i think not_mafia was likely pr
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Post Post #689 (isolation #151) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:12 pm

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lets just get claims from cj and lucky, see what results they have, compare notes and PoE
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Post Post #692 (isolation #152) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:13 pm

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In post 90, Sando wrote:Happy with AP being town here. Only thing that gave me pause was the calling me out on GS vs cop and simultaneously getting the roleblocker thing wrong but after letting him respond to that his backdown was townie. Scum don't put themselves out there like this and especially don't theory-craft this hard.

I think decent chance of scum in ejj/MM, and I don't think they're scum together
. 44 through 49 did not feel organic to me and I'm trying to put my finger on anything specific in there, it feels a bit buddying to me. They're both disagreeing with a hypo claim (which is fine to disagree with) using talk about whether the
cop
GS should claim or not if threatened with lynching (which is not a fine conversation, obviously they should and that has no bearing on us hypoing or not). They also both focus on the
cop
GS while ignoring the other PRs, who is the biggest threat to SK since no block there, and obviously a big threat to Mafia as well.

N_M strikes me as outside scum-meta, but I'm a far cry from an expert on that one, and Math is the one I've heard most discussion of NMs play from previously so I'd like more from both of them.

I also prefer to TR in early days, based on an article written by Math I believe, and basically POE. My early day scumreads tend to be pretty bad, especially compared to my TRs.



AP I'm struggling to see the advantage of hypoing in the case of 3 kills. We've got a vig with a result we don't know and would like, but no way of confirming the vig without them outing themselves, and the setup is such that confirming the vig (them flipping in front of town) confirms their result as well (correct me if I'm wrong here). The only advantage I see of hypoing a 3 kill day2 is to then massclaim D3, if we don't get a vig claim we can narrow down their results. Vig getting eaten N2 onwards is a really bad situation for town though, I'm not sure any hypo on a 3 kill night is worth that risk.

Hence my talk about what to do in the case of 1-2 kills. Either the vig has a result that we'd like to have, or the RB stopped a kill and we'd like to know that, or the vig hit the SK and we'd like to know that, or two factions hit the same person and I don't think we can know that except by POE. My thoughts haven't fully percolated through yet, but I think we can potentially get enough info through to the GS+Vig to let them break the game open at least a little bit.
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Post Post #694 (isolation #153) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:14 pm

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In post 243, Sando wrote:
In post 218, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 217, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 214, OkaPoka wrote:VOTE: not_mafia

why are u doing naked votes and doing nothing of substance
I'm told it's his meta and NAI.
ive played with him a couple years back and although he was trolly he was a lot more substantive
I've seen a lot of people claim this about N_M and I'm yet to see the whole "he's good as town" ever materialise. I've only seen him troll as either alignment and it's just the amount of form of trolling that is NAI. Early votes on MM is town-indicative of him, and believe it or not I'd say the amount of discussion from him D1 was fairly townie too.

I think those that have played with him a decent amount will be fairly confident of reading him, it's a bit of a "ohhh, that's how it works" kind of realisation and you feel confident about it after that. This is also telling me the vig has probably played with N_M a few times since N_M is basically universally seen as vig-bait from what I've seen, so the vig either got blocked, N_M is SK (neither of these are likely) or the vig is confident of N_M read.

CJ flat out isn't Mafia and I very much doubt is SK. He doesn't proactively make cases like he did on MM yesterday, he doesn't answer back like he did with me yesterday. By far the scummiest thing he did was the late vote with no rationalisation on MM, and if MM had flipped town I'd have run at him hard, but he flipped red and CJ doesn't bus at all that I've seen, and that was not what a bus looks like. It could be SK but I don't think so, mostly because I think Ejj is.

I still think from early interactions with MM that Ejj doesn't seem genuine, especially compared to his later case on MM, I think he's SK.

VOTE: Ejj
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Post Post #697 (isolation #154) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:16 pm

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sando dismisses cj scum a lot day 2

so i don't think he landed cj n1
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Post Post #698 (isolation #155) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:16 pm

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though this is assuming n_m wasn't rb and didn't rb sando.

we'd need claims for lucky and cj to verify things
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Post Post #701 (isolation #156) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:18 pm

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skygazer what's your hypothesis
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Post Post #706 (isolation #157) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:23 pm

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do u actually scumread manatee
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Post Post #707 (isolation #158) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:23 pm

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its probably skygazer but we need lucky and cj to come and confirm things
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Post Post #710 (isolation #159) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:25 pm

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VOTE: skygazer

no reason
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Post Post #715 (isolation #160) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:27 pm

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i fell for it
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Post Post #718 (isolation #161) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:30 pm

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eragon are u hoping someone asks u how did you know you were only gambitting for sk to kill you?
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Post Post #719 (isolation #162) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:30 pm

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if u have time and want towncred, do a d2 iso with me on cj and lucky and see if they crumbed someone as inno ty
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Post Post #720 (isolation #163) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:31 pm

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lucky possibily if dietician did n_m n1
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Post Post #721 (isolation #164) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:32 pm

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wow cj did not talk at all d2
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Post Post #722 (isolation #165) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:33 pm

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ok pretty sure we have a dietician not_mafia on our hands tho i had an interaction with him earlier that seemed to make that unlikely.
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Post Post #723 (isolation #166) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:34 pm

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In post 311, ceejayvinoya wrote:Hi.
I'm assuming both scum and sk killed blackstar, and vig got roleblocked. I can't see anything else making sense.
I'll be reading.
maybe cj is vig and lucky is rb? lucky rbs cj n1

if thats true then skygazer is confirmed sk
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Post Post #724 (isolation #167) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:35 pm

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In post 483, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 481, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 478, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 477, OkaPoka wrote:teach me your ways
i wish to learn
Sando is scum, that's all you need to know for now
if ur wrong can i lynch u tmr
No, sorry
post that makes me kinda doubt dietician not_mafia but it could just be him trying to cover his tracks
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Post Post #728 (isolation #168) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:53 pm

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huh

k den

hammer please get this over with
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Post Post #730 (isolation #169) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:55 pm

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wait that means n_m was vigi? or VT? the fuck

does this mean not_mafia was actually the omniscient messiah the mafia community has been waiting for this entire time?

Has the savior come down from the heavens to save us from the infernos of hell? Has he come with his impeccable reads to reveal to us, that it is truly to be a God amongst men. Have we been enlightened in the true nature of mafia? Words, language is meaningless, we only need to vote people and utter the words im town btw.
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Post Post #732 (isolation #170) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:56 pm

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the actual fuck is wrong with this holy shit n_m is a living legend
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Post Post #737 (isolation #171) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:03 pm

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ask to be modkilled or something idk
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Post Post #742 (isolation #172) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:13 pm

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@not_mafia, how?
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Post Post #745 (isolation #173) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:16 pm

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danks for modding korina
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Post Post #748 (isolation #174) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:17 pm

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wait u soft claimed vig?
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Post Post #753 (isolation #175) » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:20 pm

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alright manatee why u trolling with that vt claim
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Post Post #783 (isolation #176) » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:54 am

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always sheep n_m
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