OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)

[Ausuka]

@ausuka - oh thought it was about enigma.. ignore the pedit.

Is the inverse association between enigma and ofr/skitter just because they're voting for him or is there something else?

Since you have some idea how they play, di you agree with brass's assessment on what Sando would or wouldn't do as scum?
Do you have any meta tells on them?

It's because they're voting for him and I townread the other players voting for Enigma. Not necessarily a reverse association as either could be scum with Enigma which would explain the lack of counterwagon.

I have no idea really what Sando would or wouldn't do as scum; I don't feel like I have a grasp of his personality or what he would do as a specific alignment from my play with him, just that he likes setupbreaky things.

Sando no. Brass, generally is less active as scum but idk how confident I should be in that.

[AP]

LOL.. I shouldn't be playing Mafia today, really!

I can't get over the "fact" that Sky is the SK, CJ is the RB and Sando is Mafia (in the game that just ended), and it's affecting my interpretation of every single post I read today.

TTY 2moro

[Ausuka]

VOTE: vulcan logician

[the worst]

VOTE COUNT 1.15

Sando (0)

~

skitter30 (0)

~

AP (0)

~

Cardi B (1)

~ BuJaber,

BuJaber (1)

~ Sando,

Ausuka (0)

~

Skygazer (0)

~

vulcan logician (2)

~ OkaPoka, Ausuka,

ceejayvinoya (2)

~ Invisibility, vulcan logician,

ruru (0)

~

ofrhz (0)

~

Invisibility (1)

~ Cardi B,

OkaPoka (0)

~

Enigma (5)

~ Skygazer, ruru, ofrhz, skitter30, ceejayvinoya,

NOT VOTING:

AP, Enigma,

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

day one will end in (expired on 2018-07-25 18:30:00)

mod notes:

- Ausuka.... AP...... I turned my back for 1 minute and you guys stole my pagetop. rawr.
- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays
- quack

[OkaPoka]

one thing to be a lazy player

another thing to be a sheep player

but its a whole thing to be a lazy, sheep player who wants to pressure other players

[OkaPoka]

Hey guys, I'm here. I'm like 3 pages behind but I'm catching up. So sorry to have not contributed. I'm gonna do a list of ISO reads to make up for it though.

So far, I gotta say that Ceej is the towniest I've ever seen him. I lean town on him, but my inner paranoiac wonders if scum!ceej is just not super towny. (I've never played with Ceej as scum.) I know that I tend to come off as more towny when I roll scum... perhaps because, in those cases, I actually take time to do things with the intent to come off as towny.

I'm no longer feeling my BuJaber vote, so

UNVOTE:

Also ofrhz seems pretty town too.

I'll probably have a scum pick or two after I do my ISOs, so stay tuned.

also what happened from here to there

[vulcan logician]

VOTE: vulcan logician

im not liking this play coming from vulcan

he is being lazy but sheepy

But does lazy/sheepy= scum? And aren't there other reasons for hopping onto a wagon other than sheepiness? (For instance, being curious how Ceej might respond to pressure. And seeing an opportunity to create momentum on a ceej wagon).

[Skygazer]

Vulcan you're spending more time defending yourself than gamesolving

[Ausuka]

i need to start explaining reads more so here's why vulcan is scum to me:

I'm back after a prod and fully caught up. At this point, I am town reading ofrhz and okapoka on tone.

Ruru's claim has me townslotting her for the moment. It makes sense for meta reasons.

Skygazer: nullish to town. @skygazer, my "peppered in" paranoia of Ceej is warranted. He really isn't usually this townie as town. I have my eye on him, but, of course, that's a shit reason to sumread him.

No scumleans so far, sorry.

this is a bad post that doesn't really show any desire to scumhunt. the townreads themselves are sort of ok? but like lazy and easy reads and these are really undeveloped thoughts for someone fully caught up on the game.

Just being honest really. A lot of things factor into my flimsy post. First of all, I'm used to smaller games. This is a bit overwhelming. Second, I simply hate day 1 of any mafia game because I suck at making an assessment with little to no hard evidence. Third, I haven't had much time to devote to the game as I normally do. Fourth, I have more than just tone on Okapoka (I think) but I'm keeping some stuff close to the chest. Fifth, I really am planning some ISOs, and I don't want to snap to any judgments before I saturate myself with as much information as possible. Sixth, I'm lazy. (I'll try to make up for the last item with some astute ISOs if possible).

this post is ok i suppose in itself? i sorta dislike how he's promising "astute ISOs" and things like that when he hasn't been able to produce scumreads which takes a fraction of the effort.

Just to add, I'm here real time, if anyone wants to get my opinion on a particular thing/player. That might help me wedge my way back into this game. (I feeling a bit out of the loop and wondering how to get back in.)

Also, I think a ceejay wagon might be a fruitive exercise... see how he responds to a little pressure.

VOTE: ceej

this post is really bad; specifically the ceejay wagon, which is complete busywork. he's literally saying that he has no reason to scumread cjv. the vote accomplishes nothing and i don't see how it was meant to accomplish anything.

[OkaPoka]

looks like im seeing how u respond to pressure and seeing the potential opportunity to create momentum on a vulcan wagon then aren't I?

yeah a lazy sheep is scum, town is somewhat motivated to find scum while scum just doesnt want to die or get their buddies lynched.

[Skygazer]

@Enigma

Appreciate if you could remind me which ones I haven't touched on? Points that I've already addressed (but we continue to fundamentally disagree on) do count as responded to from my perspective as I have nothing new to add.

1) You can't just say something is more likely and not back it up. That's what you're doing. I know what game theory is and you haven't done any mathematical models to actually back up your claims. I would not be surprised in the slightest if there's no significant changes in probability based on two players having the same numbers.

2) You're not even doing anything with this vote that you supposedly still like. You're not pressuring BuJaber at all and instead throwing shade at other people.

Finally you're trying to dismiss my arguments rather than respond to them by calling me stubborn and saying I keep dismissing your points. I touched on (1) before and you never addressed it. I've read your other points and they aren't backed by logic at all, you just keep saying "lol game theory." And a wagon on page two is still a wagon and if you're stating that it was "semi-rvs" then it wasn't even entirely rvs anyways. So your point about it not mattering doesn't stand.

[vulcan logician]

one thing to be a lazy player

another thing to be a sheep player

but its a whole thing to be a lazy, sheep player who wants to pressure other players

I'll admit that I've been lazy, but seriously, I'm not sheeping. And if I were sheeping, would I be so bloody obvious about it as scum?

p-edit: @skygazer- there is more than one way to skin a cat. Sure, a player can parse through other players' statements and give reads, but also, there is "shaking things up" which quite often can lead to more information for town later on down the line.

I think that enigma might be scum, but if he flips green at this point, that will yield little information for town. I think a competing wagon might tell us more. And I'm willing to be that wagon.

[OkaPoka]

I actually feel like engima flip might be the most beneficial for town atm but we have times still so whatever

[ceejayvinoya]

Catching up.

UNVOTE:

I actually feel like engima flip might be the most beneficial for town atm but we have times still so whatever

How so?

[ceejayvinoya]

Finally vulcan is here. Arghhhh

Any gutreads @vulcan?

[ceejayvinoya]

i could have sworn i responded
i was going to say i was waiting for a vulcan prod
VOTE: ceejay

???

Hey Invis

Mind telling me what this is for?

[Invisibility]

you were at 1d23h of not posting

[Invisibility]

anyway now i can do this
UNVOTE:
VOTE: AP

[Invisibility]

i don't find vulcan's vote on ceejay scummy

[ceejayvinoya]

I sort of understand Vulcans paranoia on me atm. On both of the previous games I've played with him, I got lynched on D1 and I was town

[ceejayvinoya]

i don't find vulcan's vote on ceejay scummy

Same

[OkaPoka]

Catching up.

UNVOTE:

I actually feel like engima flip might be the most beneficial for town atm but we have times still so whatever

How so?

because wagon dynamics brooooooooooooooooooo

[OkaPoka]

anyway now i can do this
UNVOTE:
VOTE: AP

huh?

[ruru]

This game's a disaster

[ceejayvinoya]

Catching up.

UNVOTE:

I actually feel like engima flip might be the most beneficial for town atm but we have times still so whatever

How so?

because wagon dynamics brooooooooooooooooooo

Spoiler:

Explanation unclear. Ended up looking for the dynamics of a wagon.

Spell it out for me because I'm a bit dum.