Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

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hai

VOTE: ank

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now you have to also think im scum, and we'll be back to normal

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random post about spiffeh

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ill sheep that

VOTE: nancy

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how would i know that?

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that doesnt mean you cant have rolled scum this time

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why are you assuming we have reasons and you even know what our reasons are

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by that logic im not allowed to vote you in any game because it will be like necromancer
Or will you be kind enough to not object when you actually roll scum and i vote you?

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VOTE: spiffeh

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i voted you to see what youll do, Nancy. wasnt even scumreading you.

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VOTE: spiffeh

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everyone but nancy feels like scum to me so far

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can we just leave ank alone

whatever shes doing, it doesn't look scum motivated

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just said why

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start by voting spiffeh

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nothing pinged either way

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i think im staying where i am

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what if I unvoted, would you vote him then

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VOTE: mylo

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yeah i dont have the time i once had and you guys post too much

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i think he tried more than he does as town

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I could see Brian being scum here too

Can you not scumread me on my birthday?

I once got lynched on mine

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going vla with the deadline in 2 days doesnt make me wanna unvote mylo. He should have at least claimed

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let's see what happens if we have competing wagons

VOTE: nos

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Nosferatu [5] - TehBrawlGuy, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet, Wisdom
Myloninja13 [5] - Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh

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nah the moment lynch was awesome because else id scumread him for all eternity

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VOTE: mylo

l-1

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yeah i mean for the duration of the game

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see the katsuki scumread that followed it, for example
it made me be useless for the whole game

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nancy youre on the wrong track
what i do as scum are things i do as town, so using them as a measure of scumminess is not a good idea

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nah the moment lynch was awesome because else id scumread him for all eternity

yeah i mean for the duration of the game

see the katsuki scumread that followed it, for example
it made me be useless for the whole game

Derp or possible scum slip?

You know we were talking about minuet there, right?

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Unfortunately you guys are wrong, cause he's scum. But, it's alright. Never too late to join a wagon. Wisdom proved that yesterday.

check who was the first to vote mylo please

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But when does town wisdom ever give up his lynch that easily toward end of day for 0 reason.

yep you definitely have to reread
"My lynch" was always mylo, not nos.

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VOTE: matt

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Yes, I know that. I don’t know why you and Dunn think I meant something else.

because you seemed like you misunderstood

what exactly were you calling a derp?

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if i cant post all the time im not myself

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kokichi you still think you have a clue on how to meta me

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@maria ive been struggling to keep up and form reads in this game so my nos vote was meant to generate some reactions i could use
I moved back to mylo when nothing much happened

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more like two

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dunno about muffin and spiff, but you and purr are town

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well you certainly wont by voting me

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yes sakura

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kokichi this is worse than minuet
you can at least try to read me

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I don’t know HOW not to do it withouth screwing up the font size/fomatting.

You highlight the text you want to quote, then click quote

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because my role pm says so

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it includes the name too if you do it from the main post rather than from the 'reply' page

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looks like it
though it also suggests theres a doc, so maybe it was a doc save

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well i hadnt read the op so you saying it felt like wild speculation

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not likely

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more likely to be scum role, especially considering the likely 13:3

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i just want to see if nancy can fake all this silliness as scum

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guess what, you failed at comprehension once again

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okay, heres the translation

im townreading you and I think these misunderstandings you have are so obvtown that i wonder how youd attempt to replicate them as scum

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kokichi why so serious

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it didnt even look like questioning

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Ill prolly lynch muffin on matt red flip

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like, both nancy and tbg are town and those pushes are garbage
While he fails to say anything at all about matt

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katsuki why arent you catching scum this game?

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because it isn't and tbg is town

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scum are prolly demotivated after a scumlynch and kill fail
Expect them to lurk or troll

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one of those was fake if i remember correctly

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he doesn't have a result, thats obvious

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if its matt and muffin we're just too good

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spiff youre boring

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really spiff? And what lynch did I give up exactly?

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like, i should just spam random things and wish people wont read and just trust me
Kokichi has either misread or is misrepping on purpose and youre propagating it

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I was voting mylo all day
I clearly voted nos for reactions
I nowhere scumread nos
How the hell can you claim i "gave up on my lynch"

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yet on the other hand i dont get why scum muffin tries such a push

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are we though? Youre saying kokichi's push is genuine yet the more he posts the more i think the opposite

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Are we really going for that angle

every angle is important
sure, muffin's nancy push is bad
But muffin is also not bad as scum

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tbg wagon is awful
just stay on matt

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and mylo felt like a lurker lynch, what did he flip?
its the nature of the game that makes the wagons feel lazy

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@Wisom I think townreading someone

yeah except im not townreading him

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or we can lynch scum today and tomorrow

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@maria that post was meant to say that I agreed with what spiff was saying, yet i have a reservation on why scum muffin does that
Im nullscum on him

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wisdom

the problem is that both feel like really lazy wagons

TBG wagon is based on Muffin claiming a guilty on TBG, so it may be scummy but it certainly is not lazy.

No it isnt nancy. Youre the only one whos taking that claim seriously

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i dont explain to scum why theyre scum

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VOTE: muffin

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i wont mind if katsuki dies either.

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consider my vote on whichever of matt/muffin gets more

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can you quote said ate?

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if everyone says that nobody is going to vote him
Vote him and it will happen

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Well Nancy is locktown now

That's nice

she wasnt already? you're slow

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not seeing whats wrong with it

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VOTE: matt

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ank i think both these reads are wrong
both nos and Maria are town

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Nosferatu and Sakura are probably not scum together

Nos + Mariar is my guess right now, but one might be replaced with Kokichi

But Nos voted mylo and early. So that would be a hardbus. Do you really think scum hardbusses their roleblocker D1 in a game with probably only 3 scum in it?

Fakegod games are 13:3
why do you think there's only 3 scum in a 17p?

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oops
fakegod games are 13:3
@tbg

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matt, muffin, maybe katsuki, maybe kokichi
@ank

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maaaybe spiff?

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everyone said its always 3 scum in minuet and minuet also had 3

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14:3, sorry

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wanna tell me why matt is town instead of this useless farce

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VOTE: muffin

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someone vig kokichi pls

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no, can you?

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did you read his lol attempts at content

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eh
Id prolly bus mylo regardless of pr

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Try not to lynch Sakura, Moment, Purr, Kats, or Muffin while I'm gone.

kats and muffin have no place in this list

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i mean, there's a poisoner

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kokichi prolly

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no worries we're still lynching muffin

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katsuki meant to say mod confirmed scum

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i dont buy youre a cop, sorry

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there's a gunsmith in this game
It significantly lowers the possibilities youre a cop

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unless someone grabs me by the collar i am going to believe katsuki inno

*grabs by the collar*

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yeah, poisoner doesnt have a gun, theyre the miller for the gunsmith
The rest of the scum should have guns

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godfather, rather

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yeah, poisoner doesnt have a gun, theyre the miller for the gunsmith
The rest of the scum should have guns

but it does say cops have guns in there too, so why is it likely he is lying?

It doesnt say anything about cops in the OP

Think about it, with the gunsmith being the intended investigative a cop is against the spirit of the setup

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VOTE: Tbg

@Mod Vla

wtf

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ill take that as a joke @brian

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yeah we totally have both a cop and a gunsmith and katsuki isnt clearly bsing

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tbg, dunn. Join us on muffin.

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No, brian.

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its not hard to see katsuki is bsing. You probably even have more games with him than i do. So dont hurt your mind trying to think of obscure scenarios that include him being cop. He just isnt.

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Purr will come back, just stay on muffin

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what setbacks?

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you onoy had one real result in minuet, the other two were faked, no?

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did you read maria's game where i led lynches on 3 out of 4 scum

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yep so technically you only had one actual result
The rest was make believe, what made you confident in the reads is irrelevant
So excuse me while i continue to doubt you, especially when youre claiming cop in a game with a gunsmith

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thats a discussion for tomorrow and for a world where he actually flips town

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i wanna see what youll say when he flips red
Prolly call me lucky im guessing

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brian
katsuki and muffin "scumread" each other all the time
wasnt it the same in minuet

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wow i cant have a bad game without people referencing it every 5 seconds can i

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ITS SO FUN PLAYING IN GAMES WHERE THE TOWN WANTS TO LYNCH A COP INNO D2

then replace out
nobody's keeping you

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bets have no place in mafia

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i buy the neighborizing part
i dont buy the cop part

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I protected Katsuki last night.

what
who shoots katsuki
who protects katsuki
I dont even

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He seemed like obvious N1 kill just based on the way he said he wasn't going to claim if we ran him up and that he was going to cop Muffin.

are you serious rn
He says stuff like that every game

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anyway katsuki still isnt a cop so muffin still is who we're lynching

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maybe the neighborizing is a lie too

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nah hes a doc, the op points to a doc existing

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yeah could see that

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hm
Given the op, if they can kill and poison theyd try to kill the doc, who cant be poisoned
Did katsuki look like a doc to anyone?

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Something else stopped the kill
nobody kills katsuki and he didnt look like a doc

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really
so who in this playerlist do you think shot katsuki?

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nah. Even if i buy tbg isnt aware enough to know about katsuki which i doubt, he has at least one scumbuddy

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the correct play is to lynch muffin who is a scumfuck
Katsuki will autoresolve prolly

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what have i been wrong about in this game?

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or are you going to cite minuet again?
Because if so just dont play with me
Im allowed one bad game in a while

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lol antitown play
Ok

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best doc play ever

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brian please dont play with me again
This is clearly personal and toxic

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i criticized a play
He says i don't know how to play mafia
Figure the difference yourself

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spiff get out of my mind

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muffin is not a policy lynch nos

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why were you voting him till now if youre not seeing hes scum?

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3 votes, guys. Not hard.

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what is tvt? I thought i was scum

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dunn spiff has pretty obviously read and has the same opinion as me on the matter

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katsuki is bsing and muffin is scum

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any potential motivation for him to be lying seems nonsensical

lmao

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dunn who the fuck kills katsuki n1

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VOTE: prof
whatever

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Brian claimed doc who doc'd Katsuki
Katsuki claimed cop with an inno on muffin and that muffin neighborized him

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hey guys
Guess who has a gun

VOTE: Nosferatu

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I'm a gunsmith. Kokichi Oma has a gun. I thought I'd try to catch him in a fake claim.

im also a gunsmith
Ill assume duplicate role since you dont look like youre lying

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hm. So kokichi and nos have guns, meaning the poisoner isnt in there

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oh and, sakura doesnt have a gun

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no but I thought a vig is likely to exist since they have a gun

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i went for nos because i realized i didnt remember anything he did this game and he could be coasting
you were loud and wrong but that isn't unusual with you

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Katsuki's guilties are correct

dude. Still believing katsuki?

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and with the neighborizer thing being a lie (surprise surprise) the poisoner is prolly muffin

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not really seeing maria scum here, no
and muffin pushing it doesnt help

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yep, no need
just need nos to claim

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you mean like you cant tell muffin is scum here and have to resort to all kinds of lies to keep him alive?

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there should be one scum in the gunsmiths
In minuet one of the vanilla cops was scum too

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we are lynching in the gunsmiths today
If and only if katsuki flips cop we will think about whatever else
stop dumbvoting maria

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Why not nos?

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There might be a fifth one too
Minuet had 4 town vanilla cops, 1 scum
We have 4 gunsmiths so far

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technically nos hasnt claimed yet

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purr are you scum
this is ridiculous
Stop voting who you think is town

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someone hasnt played with katsuki apparently

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It also makes a lot of sense to have a Cop if there's a Poisoner and a bunch of Gunsmiths.

plus someone doesn't know a thing about setups

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claim, nos.

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results?

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what do you think i think given im voting you?

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^

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VOTE: prof fridays

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what does one have to do with the other

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sakura. First we see katsuki flip, since we will see him flip anyway. then if the flip is something that suggests he could have a real guilty (joat counts), we see about lynching maria. We don't do it before when there are scummier people to lynch.

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one scum in gunsmiths
one scum in no guns
should be autowin

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nope

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there isn't a cop in a game full of gunsmiths ffs

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ditto
but no, i only get to be scum in games i dont want to

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you're right
so we should be lynching inside the gunsmiths

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VOTE: maria
whatever its prolly another minuet

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VOTE: muffin

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Wisdom: Checking Moment

acknowledged

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VOTE: math

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replacements are nai, dont try to read into them

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purr is the most likely to be a fake gunsmith if anyone
he hasnt be checked, has he?

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and he poisoned katsuki n2?

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who did he poison then

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hm
you can target tonight, right?
I suppose we could let you live as long as you poison who we want

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they will still die so doesnt matter @maria

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if math is really the last main and town, prof is almost certainly scum
I think thats who math should poison

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Math my targets have been sakura and nos
no gun and gun respectively

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if math is really the last main and town, prof is almost certainly scum
I think thats who math should poison

Do you not realize that Prof is nearly conf town

How?

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if math is really the last main and town, prof is almost certainly scum
I think thats who math should poison

Do you not realize that Prof is nearly conf town

How?

likely has no gun and isnt a main character. im of the belief that mafia have a main character who is poisoner.

math claimed both of those so doubtful