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Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:16 am

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ok

ok

so this time.... THIS TIME i'm actually confident about this vote

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cupcake was
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in the first alice game,
town
in the second,
scum
in the third,
town
in the fourth, and now we're in the fifth game...

i cannot be the only one who sees the pattern here

please help me lynch cupcake before he is able to post. will consider dunnstral an innocent child for the rest of the game if he puts down a vote immediately and we achieve a lynch on cupcake before he can even post
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Post Post #14 (isolation #1) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:47 am

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i believe that

i don't really believe what ankamius said in #5 though
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Post Post #36 (isolation #2) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:58 am

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oh yeah, i knew there was one i was forgetting (dont think i was in that one)

damn that throws a wrench in the works... so it turns out there was no pattern and youve been town->scum->town->scum->town->¿¿¿
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Post Post #47 (isolation #3) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:19 am

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#46 is missing a spiffeh mention which might mean bad things about brian

hmm

realistically
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his name around at arbitrary points in
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spiffeh
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Post Post #50 (isolation #4) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:29 am

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this just became so much easier. don't even need to include spiffeh's name anymore
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Post Post #52 (isolation #5) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:34 am

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btw i actually do think ankamius has been far too jumpy early on
In post 40, Spiffeh wrote:Why do you believe that I am town already?
dunno. i just believe you
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Post Post #71 (isolation #6) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:01 pm

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kokichi probably town

purr seems town

sakura seems kinda town

unsure if im hydrad with scum but gonna say no for now
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Post Post #101 (isolation #7) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:04 pm

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why should they think you're town
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Post Post #127 (isolation #8) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:05 pm

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i wasn't lying, i was just describing which alignment you helped most each time

the thing about the fifth game is the only part that could legitimately be called a lie but actually i meant this is the fifth game im counting for the purposes of my speculation, not the fifth alice game

(phew, talked my way out of that lie pretty easily)
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Post Post #128 (isolation #9) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:07 pm

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In post 124, Ankamius wrote:nvm Muffin stopped pushing me so he's probably town
that was mostly because ive been at work and havent been paying attention to this game though

how would it make me probably town anyway?
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Post Post #137 (isolation #10) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:13 pm

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uh... what about my case on him do you think is flawed specifically?

keep in mind, ive never been wrong in reading cupcake except a couple times but they're the exceptions that prove the rule
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Post Post #142 (isolation #11) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:17 pm

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kuribo in wonderland wasn't an alice game, it was a kuribo game

it does not count
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Post Post #147 (isolation #12) » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:25 pm

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in all seriousness, cupcake could actually be scum
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Post Post #154 (isolation #13) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:38 am

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... he's running with a joke but it's not super-important (except maybe insofar as he's being a bit over the top with it)
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Post Post #224 (isolation #14) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:06 pm

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guys, dunnstral wants us to provide meaningful contributions

start posting zen quotes

"if a vote falls in a forest and the moderator doesn't count it, did the vote really happen?"
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Post Post #276 (isolation #15) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:46 pm

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hey guys

just so you know, my goal in this game is to receive NO votes whatsoever

please help me accomplish this goal

i trust you all to be good people and not vote me purely to rain on my parade

i may catch up on this game later
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Post Post #279 (isolation #16) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:51 pm

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my new goal is to receive no more than one vote this game

please help me accomplish this goal
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Post Post #284 (isolation #17) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:54 pm

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... no more than five votes...
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Post Post #286 (isolation #18) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:22 pm

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In post 282, Sakura Hana wrote:This is literally the kind of posting you like to make as scum
you're clearly not an authority on the differences between my scum and town game

though i'm not sure you'd actually push this angle as scum. probably not
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Post Post #319 (isolation #19) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:30 pm

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im approximately 13 pages behind. will read when not busy (probably over weekend though, sorry)
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Post Post #377 (isolation #20) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:45 pm

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will catch up this afternoon
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Post Post #386 (isolation #21) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:13 pm

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i dont think that's a hat, i think it's a snake swallowing an elephant
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Post Post #393 (isolation #22) » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:26 pm

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Post Post #397 (isolation #23) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:43 am

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ill do reading tomorrow or replace out
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Post Post #443 (isolation #24) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:50 pm

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i dont think it's a coincidence that spiffeh said hes town and people are piling onto him

could it be that scum want to get rid of a town player?
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Post Post #477 (isolation #25) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:26 pm

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sounds reasonable
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Post Post #509 (isolation #26) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:29 pm

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moment could be scum for using fast as an adverb - it feels icky
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Post Post #541 (isolation #27) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:49 pm

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apiffeh raises a strong point in 538
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Post Post #556 (isolation #28) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:58 pm

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apiffwj os tpwn he saod so in 538

fuck uskng autocorrdct i have fat rhumbs
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Post Post #579 (isolation #29) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:15 pm

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i believe cupcake's claim, doubt he'd lie about that again
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Post Post #588 (isolation #30) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:20 pm

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In post 585, Spiffeh wrote:If Muffin doesn't do anything helpful before the end of the Day he should die sooner rather than later
today i saved a cat stuck in a tree
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Post Post #600 (isolation #31) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:27 pm

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in seriousness, i will read when i get home from work and possibly put more effort in than shitposting on lunch break yeah
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Post Post #609 (isolation #32) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:44 pm

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im town if that helps

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Post Post #626 (isolation #33) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:01 pm

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i legitimately believe spiffeh when he says hes town
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Post Post #628 (isolation #34) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:02 pm

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tonight

it's 2pm
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Post Post #692 (isolation #35) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:41 pm

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i don't even have to read the game to know spiffeh is (probably) town

mostly because i didn't see his name in my role pm
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Post Post #697 (isolation #36) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:45 pm

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add me to that list imo

and spiffeh
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Post Post #700 (isolation #37) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:48 pm

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sorry

im pretending to work atm

i think one of the accounts people is suspicious of me turning my head and hitting alt tab so often when they walk past though
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Post Post #702 (isolation #38) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:51 pm

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ps: nothing soft about my defense of spiffeh, i'm hard for him

pps: i wouldn't need to defend him if you didnt keep being wrong so that's really your fault
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Post Post #716 (isolation #39) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:03 pm

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707 is patently untrue unless this were a 1-scum game

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Post Post #729 (isolation #40) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:21 pm

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wisdom should get up and exercise every now and then

it's not good to stay where you are all day
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Post Post #738 (isolation #41) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:30 pm

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(and me)
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Post Post #744 (isolation #42) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:38 pm

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lamist is an appropriately lame initialism
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Post Post #751 (isolation #43) » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:18 pm

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In post 749, Sakura Hana wrote:i'd rather vote a lurker than a TR
im proud of you, sakura. there aren't many who'd openly support such an unpopular opinion
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Post Post #765 (isolation #44) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:34 am

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sigh this is 31 pages. ok reading
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Post Post #766 (isolation #45) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:34 am

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be back in 4 hours
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Post Post #770 (isolation #46) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:18 am

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hey dude, can you stop putting effort in? you're going to make my catchup look like absolute shit by comparison
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Post Post #771 (isolation #47) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:31 am

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stopping at p13 for now
because i'm lazy


sakura town
kokichi town
purr town
spiffeh town
nancy town
cupcake maybe town
dunnstral maybe town
moment town
i guess ankamius maybe town

no one else left much of an impression
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Post Post #792 (isolation #48) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:09 pm

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In post 772, Kokichi Oma wrote:I've literally done nothing for you to townread
* s h r u g *
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Post Post #793 (isolation #49) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:11 pm

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In post 779, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:How do YOU have 0 scumreads?
uh... uh... i can make some up if you'd like?
In post 783, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:thoughts on Muffin. Kthanx.
57.2% chance he's town
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Post Post #806 (isolation #50) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:50 pm

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In post 796, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Interested in lynching there?
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Post Post #807 (isolation #51) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:53 pm

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hey purr, im actually town

honest

cross my heart and hope to die, you can believe this statement if nothing else in the game
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Post Post #814 (isolation #52) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:01 pm

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In post 811, Purrcocet wrote:u are taking the rope for spiff we will revere you as a saint after your death
that's so nice of you, thanks

but stop trying to get town lynched yeah
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Post Post #849 (isolation #53) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:38 pm

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is maria scum?
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Post Post #947 (isolation #54) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:53 pm

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dont do that, cupcake
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Post Post #990 (isolation #55) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:49 pm

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it's important, nosefratu
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Post Post #991 (isolation #56) » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:50 pm

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oh right i should continue reading, brb
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Post Post #993 (isolation #57) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:53 am

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i uh... i may be in a hydra with scum
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Post Post #995 (isolation #58) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:17 am

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or maybe not... hmm...
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Post Post #998 (isolation #59) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:40 am

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i didnt mind mylo's posts. seemed townish, even if it was mostly nonsense
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #60) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:54 am

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on second thought, maybe not as town as i first thought. thought the fact he was looking at the top wagons rather than giving generic reads felt kinda townish but im realising that's probably null

not particularly concerned about the (unusual) level of effort for certain reasons

ill read over it again when im not tired
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Post Post #1004 (isolation #61) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:06 am

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dont have a town read on tbg, wisdom, mylo. need to do reading when not dead tired on brian, matt, nosefratu, ankamius. rest of the game seems town but ill look at stuff closer when not dead tired. aware of deadline, ill use some bludge time at work tomorrow to read in a bit more depth, sorry
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #62) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:38 am

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that's a fair way away purr, so itll be a bit of a wait
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #63) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:01 pm

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In post 1079, Kokichi Oma wrote:Still dont like his townread on me earlier
if youd like, i can not townread you, i guess

seems counter-productive from your pov though
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Post Post #1091 (isolation #64) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:12 pm

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In post 1087, Kokichi Oma wrote:How about you give me an actual reason?
yes
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Post Post #1093 (isolation #65) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:12 pm

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wait that was meant to be no, im tired
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Post Post #1096 (isolation #66) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:17 pm

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it's a mechanic that's only happened once previously so i guess you could call that usually
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Post Post #1102 (isolation #67) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:59 pm

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dont do me, im town

why would i lie about that?
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Post Post #1105 (isolation #68) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:15 pm

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good to know, that means i can use appeal to fear to manipulate you and survive longer

not that i would do that because im town... ... ...
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Post Post #1108 (isolation #69) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:22 pm

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now we know who to roleblock tonight
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #70) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:26 pm

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lol at #1098, mylo probably is scum
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Post Post #1111 (isolation #71) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:28 pm

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i vote when im ready to vote

im
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reading things atm
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Post Post #1112 (isolation #72) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:29 pm

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In post 1062, Dunnstral wrote:tbg being post restricted
lol
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Post Post #1117 (isolation #73) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:41 pm

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In post 1098, Myloninja13 wrote:I can say simply that my wagon is suspicious as hell
this line here is just atypical for what i would expect from the usually meek and unconfident town-mylo
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Post Post #1120 (isolation #74) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:45 pm

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i dont use grindr and you cant force me to, not even with brian
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Post Post #1125 (isolation #75) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:53 pm

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if cupcake puts mylo to L-1, i'll quickhammer

i'm running high on caffeine and sugar right now and i've always wanted to quickhammer someone without a claim anyway
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Post Post #1144 (isolation #76) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:00 pm

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maria, if the way the votes are happening is 'telling all in itself', then why does your 3p grindr list include 2 people not voting mylo? (albeit, i've indicated i intend to)
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #77) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:08 pm

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that's l-1, i think

so tempted

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Post Post #1172 (isolation #78) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:13 pm

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i dont think youre a moron, i just think your point doesnt make much sense

mylo is a mislynch any day of the week (no real need to pile onto him d1) and from the pov of your proposed scum team, there were plenty of mislynches on the table that got derailed for mylo for no real reason

*shrug*
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Post Post #1177 (isolation #79) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:16 pm

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In post 1159, Sakura Hana wrote:Oh yeah, Maria probably doesnt know, but these games always have had 3 ppl scumteams.
this isn't necessarily true but
may
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #80) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:23 pm

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sorry, it's true that every
past
17p game fakegod ran was 14:3

it's not necessarily true that this or any future 17p game will be. see: here

(though i suspect this game may still be 14:3)

anyway, doesn't need to be discussed now, just something to keep in mind
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Post Post #1189 (isolation #81) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:34 pm

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im apparently scum with like half the game i guess

youre pretty fucked purr, given all my scum buddies
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Post Post #1196 (isolation #82) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:40 pm

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In post 1194, Purrcocet wrote:you wouldn't just kill me would you

would you

please
no, im cheeky scum. i take you to lylo to fuck with your head
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #83) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:51 pm

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In post 1195, Dunnstral wrote:if ... tbg really is post-restricted
spoiler:
made you highlight this
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Post Post #1206 (isolation #84) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:52 pm

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he isn't
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Post Post #1208 (isolation #85) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:57 pm

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well, while giving out post restrictions is something fakegod does quite often (almost every game, in fact), i'm currently thinking he might have broken his mod meta here and decided to not use one
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Post Post #1213 (isolation #86) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:57 pm

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you asked two questions, i think only the first one was free...
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Post Post #1232 (isolation #87) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:41 pm

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personally i think TBG should have had the two avatars facing each other rather than back to back...
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Post Post #1241 (isolation #88) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:13 pm

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In post 1238, Dunnstral wrote:I do get the feeling that there's scum somewhere in wisdom/brian
maybe. but IF that's true, i'd guess wisdom. and IF that's true, he might still be busing deadweight. so i, uh... don't really care right now
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Post Post #1243 (isolation #89) » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:50 pm

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oh, i didn't notice that

huh

now that you mention it, i did
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do that

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Post Post #1247 (isolation #90) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:02 am

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ill keep working on making not voting a competing wagon
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #91) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:49 pm

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what? i saw the hammer beacon lighting up the sky. is someone in need of Captain Hammer?
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Post Post #1345 (isolation #92) » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:14 pm

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Captain Hammer, at your service

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Post Post #1382 (isolation #93) » Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:18 pm

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prod dodge
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Post Post #1560 (isolation #94) » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:26 am

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Post Post #1624 (isolation #95) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:12 am

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In post 1608, Moment wrote:Katsuki and zMuffinMan are still "playing" the game like they are
i have no idea what youre implying

almost every post ive made today has been all about discussing reads. all super duper protown stuff

same with cupcake (though he might be scum)

please dont make slanderous statements
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Post Post #1642 (isolation #96) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:28 pm

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i dont believe purr thinks we're scum together. purr could be lying here...

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Post Post #1649 (isolation #97) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:44 pm

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i dont understand the issue with shade

it's good to protect your skin from the sun and also a relief from the heat
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Post Post #1652 (isolation #98) » Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:35 pm

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hey guys,

can you give me a bit of time to decide who i want to fake a guilty on

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Post Post #1778 (isolation #99) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:39 pm

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Spoiler: a collage of nancy on mylo
In post 450, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 449, Brian Skies wrote:VOTE: Myloninja13
Why? They’ve only made like 3 posts so far.
In post 471, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I’m okay with pressure voting mylo but I think his flip doesn’t provide any useful information. Lynching one of Katsuki, Nos is the most useful but I feel less confident about Nos being scum than I do Katsuki.
In post 476, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:The only players currently pinging me are katsuki, Nos, Muffin, Ank but I prefer Katsuki. If we can’t lynch him, I’ll go along with whomever I guess. If Mylo doesn’t do anything by tommorrow night, I’d be okay with lynching him.

I’m thinking maybe Katsuki and Nos aren’t w/w because Katsuki isn’t trying to get votes off of him.

Maybe Katsuki and Muffin are w/w and that whole Alice nonsense was just scum theater?
In post 500, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 495, MariaR wrote:Also the mylongninja wagon is bad it's a 3 person lurker that will give no info regardless of the flip.
Exactly, that’s what I said.
In post 621, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 613, Dunnstral wrote:
Kats is useless but so was mylo so not sure we'd lynch one but not the other
Mylo hasn’t made any scummy votes on anyone or threw a fit over mistaken interpretation of a game but okay.
In post 633, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Well, you were beyond convinced I was scum in Minuet. I’m not comfortable lynching there yet. I liked [Maria's] comments about the Mylo wagon because she’s right about that.
In post 1059, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I’m not opposed to Mylo wagon but don’t see it as the best wagon to further the gamestate.
In post 1249, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I feel better about Nos being scum than mylo.
In post 1260, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Why no comment about jumping on mylo wagon?
In post 1264, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I agree with you about mylo wagon but why “Rip the game”?
In post 1280, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:How do you know that mylo isn’t “a stupid D1 lynch”?
In post 1309, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:If you’re just gong to continue in this vein, I will ignore you because you’re wasting my time. Why don’t you instead, tell me whats makes mylo so scummy?
In post 1334, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:So we’re waiting for a claim or hammer basically. They haven’t done anything overtly scummy though ‘ \_0_/
In post 1340, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:He probably flips villa though, does anyone care at this point? Probably not because we need a lynch. Lol.
In post 1342, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Should I guys? Mylo isn’t going to claim or vote before EOD.
In post 1344, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Well, that would be my guess. I’d honestly be shocked if he flips red.

So, do people want me to hammer on most propably a lurking villa who isn’t going to claim or vote before EOD?

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Post Post #1780 (isolation #100) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:44 pm

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In post 1748, Spiffeh wrote:Katsuki scum reading me and doing nothing about it is scummy js
yes, good point

cupcake you fucking scumfuck, you better have a fucking good explanation for this
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Post Post #1784 (isolation #101) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:01 pm

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i will endgame you
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Post Post #1789 (isolation #102) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:12 pm

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Vote: Nancy
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Post Post #1792 (isolation #103) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:13 pm

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bus nancy you scumfuck cupcake

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Post Post #1795 (isolation #104) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:16 pm

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what do you think of the mylo interactions?

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Post Post #1797 (isolation #105) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:38 pm

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what about her play is town?
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Post Post #1802 (isolation #106) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:12 pm

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In post 1799, Sakura Hana wrote:Why does me saying this:
In post 1751, Sakura Hana wrote:Nancy, why do your posts this game feel like you're super uncertain of everything.
Make muffin look into Mylo <-> Nancy interactions then vote her.
i dunno, it's a mystery of the universe
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Post Post #1804 (isolation #107) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:12 pm

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In post 1801, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:He’s vottng me because I didn’t know mylo was scum basically.
the opposite actually

e.g. #1280 makes it look like you knew his alignment
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Post Post #1807 (isolation #108) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:16 pm

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you didnt want him lynched
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Post Post #1809 (isolation #109) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:20 pm

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In post 1800, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:But the doc can save you tonight again, right?
why are you assuming purr was shot last night?
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Post Post #1817 (isolation #110) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:29 pm

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In post 1803, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:If I’’m scum do you really believe I say at pretty much the last moment that I expect him to flip green?
yes. i think you tried to push counter wagons until the end of the day where you had no choice but to accept it and make the most of it by pretending youre clueless about it. your assuredness that mylo was a mislynch for no good reason is what stands out, as opposed to say ankamius who repeatedly mentioned wagon dynamics

also i think the aggressive way you've been shutting people down (such as when bringing up wisdom and a labyrinth game when talking to people who arent wisdom as though it meant something) dont look anything like how you normally interact with others
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Post Post #1821 (isolation #111) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:33 pm

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In post 1818, Purrcocet wrote:im impressed tho he really puttin in work for this case
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Post Post #1822 (isolation #112) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:34 pm

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so why were you apparently so sure hed flip town?
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Post Post #1828 (isolation #113) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:40 pm

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the progression of maria and ankamius was natural based on their stated suspicions

yours wasnt

and no, that isnt an explanation for why you were so sure of it
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Post Post #1836 (isolation #114) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:55 pm

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_why_ did you think it was likely?
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Post Post #1837 (isolation #115) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:55 pm

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also who do you actually think is scum right now?
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Post Post #1840 (isolation #116) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:01 pm

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yeah i dont care about figuring out your alignment, that's why i'm asking you questions, duh
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Post Post #1844 (isolation #117) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:11 pm

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lol

what the fuck has TBG done that's at all town?
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Post Post #1846 (isolation #118) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:14 pm

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purr im going to take you to lylo, claim scum and then watch as you still lose the game
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Post Post #1849 (isolation #119) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:31 pm

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why do you have a town read on tbg?

why do you have a town read on wisdom?
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Post Post #1864 (isolation #120) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:40 pm

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it was me, in a post drenched in sarcasm
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Post Post #1866 (isolation #121) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:48 pm

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In post 1851, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Why wouldn’t scum!Wisdom not want to jump on my wagon?
is this a meta thing, like he did this in his scum game? if not, why is this a reason to think he's town?
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Post Post #1867 (isolation #122) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:49 pm

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In post 1851, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Eventhough he’s posting in pictures, they’re full of content.
no theyre not

what, because he posts avatars every now and then he's posting content?
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Post Post #1870 (isolation #123) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:53 pm

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really, my ultimate goal is to bring you and purr to lylo and then point back to this post and say "why would i actually do that if i were scum?"
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Post Post #1873 (isolation #124) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:57 pm

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alright, ill ask you something then

when are you going to stop pretending you have a post restriction and start justifying any of your reads?
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Post Post #1879 (isolation #125) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:12 pm

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In post 1877, Dunnstral wrote:Muffin, is there a reason you think he's faking a post restriction?
well, giving out post restrictions is something fakegod never does (in no game ever, in fact), so i'm currently thinking he might not have broken his mod meta here and decided to use one
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Post Post #1883 (isolation #126) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:27 pm

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ok guys

i actually have a real guilty on TBG and im totally not fake-claiming

honest... really...

i would definitely not lie about this sort of thing for shits and giggles and i honestly super duper really have a guilty on him

really...

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Post Post #1891 (isolation #127) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:32 pm

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yeah... never... ... ...
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Post Post #1893 (isolation #128) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:35 pm

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was that ever in question?
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Post Post #1902 (isolation #129) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:08 pm

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wow

how do i reach the level that i can come to conclusions like that too?

mind-blowing...
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Post Post #1907 (isolation #130) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:31 pm

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he cant get lucky every game

give him a break
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Post Post #1909 (isolation #131) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:35 pm

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reading is hard, i dont blame you
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Post Post #1910 (isolation #132) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:36 pm

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btw wisdom, why are you not voting the guilty that i didnt forget about for a moment because it's super real?
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Post Post #1912 (isolation #133) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:37 pm

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are you calling fakegod a liar?
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Post Post #1914 (isolation #134) » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:49 pm

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hmmmmm

let me get back to you when i think up a reasonable excuse
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Post Post #1975 (isolation #135) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:18 am

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gotta protect the weak link in our team, brah
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Post Post #1979 (isolation #136) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:32 am

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that appeal should get a few people off you! now we just need to figure out who is the easiest mislynch. im thinking tbg
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Post Post #1981 (isolation #137) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:33 am

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uh, whoops

@mod
please move that to our PT
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Post Post #1984 (isolation #138) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:35 am

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hmmmm, most of the rest of the game seems town and there's only one awkward reason to think tbg might be town
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Post Post #1987 (isolation #139) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:10 pm

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yeah, i think youre a major threat to the scum win con so that seems likely. second only to nancy maybe. haha
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #140) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:31 pm

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In post 1985, Purrcocet wrote:faking a picture post restriction makes it harder, not easier to play scum
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Post Post #1991 (isolation #141) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:22 pm

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@mod
can i copy paste a totally real message from you about my totally real guilty?

i think people dont believe me for some odd reason
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Post Post #1997 (isolation #142) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:55 pm

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youve already posted my face when i get caught doing that. several times now
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Post Post #1999 (isolation #143) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:17 pm

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it'll certainly be the face i make when, ready to cast your vote on me, i use the power of appeals and make you second-guess yourself
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Post Post #2016 (isolation #144) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:59 pm

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i dont believe you

prove it
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Post Post #2018 (isolation #145) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:03 pm

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it's not me who thinks nancy is scum

it's my evil conscience

my good conscience is letting my evil conscience take the driver's seat

blame my evil conscience
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Post Post #2028 (isolation #146) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:17 pm

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In post 2025, Purrcocet wrote:he is being sarcastic nancy
stop spreading lies

i was being genuine as can be
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Post Post #2034 (isolation #147) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:23 pm

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In post 2031, Purrcocet wrote:it is absolutely amazing that we probably couldn't get 8 votes on you today
i reckon you could

let's see...

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sakura probably would
nancy is nancy
TBG lol
then you just need one more from the rest and that shouldn't be too hard
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Post Post #2079 (isolation #148) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:58 pm

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uh, hmm, that's weird. fakegod just PMed me saying he made a terrible mistake. actually the guilty was meant to be on maria but he said that TBG is also scum so he got a bit confused and apologises for any inconvenience. i told him np it was obvious anyway
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Post Post #2090 (isolation #149) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:07 pm

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did anyone read any of maria's recent posts and think "wow, yeah, that certainly is a post that came from a town player!"

genuinely interested in the answer to this question
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Post Post #2098 (isolation #150) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:12 pm

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just read all of her recent posts in sequence and think about what shes trying to achieve with each response and also read what shes actually saying and think about the mindset
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Post Post #2114 (isolation #151) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:29 pm

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ive been neglecting you this game, isaac

sorry

are we town?
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Post Post #2116 (isolation #152) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:31 pm

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my evil conscience is a bad influence on me, sorry
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Post Post #2118 (isolation #153) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:33 pm

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my evil conscience is like "STOP OVERTHINKING SHIT, IT'S NANCY TBG" but my good conscience doesn't fully trust my evil conscience and is like "but nancy could just be bad. maybe maria tbg?" and both consciences are too busy doing other things to really give a shit about who's right tbh
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Post Post #2128 (isolation #154) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:49 pm

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In post 2125, Brian Skies wrote:Also, I'd consider this wagon a success even if we only end up managing to break TBG's 'post restriction'.
omg, we're in sync, isaac
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Post Post #2136 (isolation #155) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:42 pm

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ah, yes, the people not interacting with the guy who does nothing but post pictures with an obviously fake post restriction are the problem. right
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Post Post #2137 (isolation #156) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:43 pm

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"explain your reads"

*meme image*

...

"IT ONLY GOT STALE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T INTERACT WITH ME!"
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Post Post #2147 (isolation #157) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:28 am

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In post 2144, Spiffeh wrote:Can you elaborate on why you think TBG is scum?
lit. P O E

im working backwards from a list of like 10 town reads
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Post Post #2148 (isolation #158) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:34 am

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(actually i currently think maria is more likely scum but apparently nobody else agrees)
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Post Post #2152 (isolation #159) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:14 am

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In post 2149, MariaR wrote:
In post 2148, zMuffinMan wrote:(actually i currently think maria is more likely scum but apparently nobody else agrees)
I'll agree with you if it makes you feel better
THIS IS AWKWARD
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Post Post #2153 (isolation #160) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:14 am

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SORRY FOR BEING LOUD
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Post Post #2155 (isolation #161) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:19 am

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WHAT GIVES YOU A STRONG SCUM READ ON CUPCAKE? IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR WHAT YOU THINK MAKES HIM SCUM OR WHY YOU FEEL SO STRONGLY ABOUT IT
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Post Post #2156 (isolation #162) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:24 am

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WHY DID YOU THINK PURR WAS SCUM YESTERDAY AND WHAT CHANGED?
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Post Post #2164 (isolation #163) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:51 am

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YES AND NO. I AM DOING STUFF ABOUT IT
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Post Post #2173 (isolation #164) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:04 am

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In post 1780, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 1748, Spiffeh wrote:Katsuki scum reading me and doing nothing about it is scummy js
yes, good point

cupcake you fucking scumfuck, you better have a fucking good explanation for this
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Post Post #2394 (isolation #165) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:03 am

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ISNT THAT HOW SCUMHUNTING WORKS?
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Post Post #2399 (isolation #166) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:08 am

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ISAAC

WHO WOULD YOU THINK IS SCUM IF MATT WAS TOWN?
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Post Post #2402 (isolation #167) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:15 am

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In post 2155, zMuffinMan wrote:WHAT GIVES YOU A STRONG SCUM READ ON CUPCAKE? IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR WHAT YOU THINK MAKES HIM SCUM OR WHY YOU FEEL SO STRONGLY ABOUT IT
In post 2156, zMuffinMan wrote:WHY DID YOU THINK PURR WAS SCUM YESTERDAY AND WHAT CHANGED?
TBG I THINK YOU MISSED MY QUESTIONS TO YOU (MAYBE I DIDNT ALL MY CAPS ENOUGH?)
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Post Post #2403 (isolation #168) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:18 am

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In post 2134, TehBrawlGuy wrote:I've had mostly TRs over the game, so it makes sense to me that one of the hard to sort players is in the scumpool
THIS IS THE ONLY PART OF TBG'S POSTS SINCE HE BROKE HIS POST RESTRICTION THAT SEEMS MILDLY TOWN BUT MY EVIL CONSCIENCE TELLS ME IM WRONG
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Post Post #2406 (isolation #169) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:29 am

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SURE. WHEN YOU STOP HAVING ALMOST THE SAME AMOUNT OF POSTS AS THE NEXT TWO HIGHEST POSTERS COMBINED AND THEYRE ALREADY PRETTY HIGH
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Post Post #2408 (isolation #170) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:35 am

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HE MEANS AND I AGREE THAT HE WAS OVERTHINKING THINGS
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Post Post #2412 (isolation #171) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:01 pm

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In post 2409, Brian Skies wrote:How confident is your evil conscience in TBG flipping scum?
PRETTY CONFIDENT? MORE CONFIDENT THAN MY GOOD CONSCIENCE, I GUESS. MY GOOD CONSCIENCE CURRENTLY HAS A POOL OF LIKE 3 PLAYERS THAT IT THINKS IS THE MOST LIKELY TO CONTAIN SCUM AND ONE OF THEM IS TBG
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Post Post #2424 (isolation #172) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:05 pm

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DAMN, PARAGON 39 IS ONTO US
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Post Post #2428 (isolation #173) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:50 pm

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YOURE JUST TOO GOOD AT FINDING SCUM, NANCY
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Post Post #2430 (isolation #174) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:13 pm

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L O L, NOTHING GETS PAST YOU

WHAT CHANCE DID WE HAVE THIS GAME AGAINST SUCH A MASTERFUL SCUM HUNTER!?
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Post Post #2432 (isolation #175) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:30 pm

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=]
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Post Post #2547 (isolation #176) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:43 pm

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WHAT BS FAKE CLAIMS? HOW DARE YOU!
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Post Post #2586 (isolation #177) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:02 pm

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TEA LEAVES AND AUGURY APPARENTLY, BECAUSE MYLO DID NOTHING SCUMMY OR SOMETHING
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Post Post #2588 (isolation #178) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:23 pm

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THIS IS MY HOUSE
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IT'S SMALL AND POORLY CONSTRUCTED, BUT IT'S COSY!
ONLY TOWN PLAYERS ARE ALLOWED IN
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME IN, CUPCAKE?

NO MARIARS ALLOWED
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Post Post #2591 (isolation #179) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:25 pm

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SURE
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Post Post #2596 (isolation #180) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:51 pm

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ALWAYS

I WOULDNT INVITE YOU OVER IF IT WASNT EVIL LASER EYE PROOF
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Post Post #2600 (isolation #181) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:57 pm

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MY EVIL CONSCIENCE THINKS HE'S TOWN, MY GOOD CONSCIENCE DOESN'T 100% TRUST THAT AND GOES BACK AND FORTH BUT STILL DOESN'T WANT TO LYNCH HIM ATM

ID SAY LOOK ELSEWHERE TODAY, DUNNSTRAL

AND REASSESS YOUR MARIAR READ
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Post Post #2605 (isolation #182) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:51 pm

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In post 2601, Dunnstral wrote:So you don't think he's town
MY EVIL CONSCIENCE TOLD ME I SHOULD JUST ANSWER THIS QUESTION WITH "I DO THINK HES TOWN"

APOLOGIES FOR ANY CONFUSION
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Post Post #2608 (isolation #183) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:15 pm

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WHAT IS YOUR READ ON MARIAR, TBG?
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Post Post #2609 (isolation #184) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:19 pm

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UM PEOPLE DID WANT TO LYNCH CUPCAKE D1 SO THAT REASONING DOESNT REALLY HOLD UP
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Post Post #2612 (isolation #185) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:23 pm

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LOTS OF WAGONS NEVER GAIN TRACTION IN MAFIA GAMES AND IT COULD BE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS

WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT WAGONS THAT DIDNT GAIN STEAM OVER ONES THAT DID?
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Post Post #2617 (isolation #186) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:30 pm

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SEEMS PRETTY OBVIOUS TO ME WHAT CUPCAKE'S READS ARE AND WHY BUT MAYBE IM SPECIAL
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Post Post #2629 (isolation #187) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:59 pm

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HEY PURR, IM HONESTLY NOT SCUM

LOOK, ILL EXTEND AN OLIVE BRANCH AND TAKE A MOMENT AWAY FROM BEING SILLY WITH ALL CAPS SPAM TO GIVE YOU SOME HONEST THOUGHTS ON THE GAME AND WHERE I THINK YOU MIGHT BE GOING WRONG WITH YOUR READS

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Post Post #2631 (isolation #188) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:02 pm

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YEAH BUT MARIAR IS SCUM SO LOL @ THAT
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Post Post #2635 (isolation #189) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:23 pm

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In post 2633, TehBrawlGuy wrote:I guess I should go back to pictures until you tolerate it as "just how I'm playing this game". If I'd been more obnoxious for longer, it would've been OK?
NOBODY FORCED YOU TO STOP
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Post Post #2662 (isolation #190) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:17 pm

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I ACTUALLY PREFER LYNCHING MARIAR TBH

I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA HOW ANYONE IS TOWNREADING ANYTHING IN THAT ISO TBH
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Post Post #2671 (isolation #191) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:27 pm

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In post 2667, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2665, Wisdom wrote:yeah we totally have both a cop and a gunsmith and katsuki isnt clearly bsing
Maybe the scumteam is just stacked?
SEEMS MORE LIKELY CUPCAKE OF ALL PEOPLE IS DEFENDING ME FOR NO GOOD REASON LOL

CUPCAKE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A HUGE FAN OF GIVING ME TOWN READS AFTER ALL
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Post Post #2674 (isolation #192) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:31 pm

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CUPCAKE TOWN READS ME IN EVERY GAME LOL, TO THE POINT HE OFTEN GOES OUT ON A LIMB AND FAKES INNO RESULTS ON ME
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Post Post #2682 (isolation #193) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:50 pm

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GOTTA SAY, WISDOM... I ADMIRE YOUR PERSISTENT SELF-CONFIDENCE IN YOUR READS DESPITE ALL THE SETBACKS L O L
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Post Post #2688 (isolation #194) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:54 pm

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TECHNICALLY HE TOLD THE TRUTH 3 OUT OF 5 TIMES (3 OUT OF 4 IF YOU DONT INCLUDE THE DUNNSTRAL GUILTY)

HE LIED ABOUT THE ANKAMIUS GUILTY ROFL

ALSO, BY SETBACKS I MEAN THAT MYLO IS THE FIRST TIME YOUVE ACTUALLY LYNCHED SCUM IN RECENT MEMORY (AND JUDGING BY YOUR CURRENT READS, THAT'LL CONTINUE BEING A PATTERN)
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Post Post #2697 (isolation #195) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:02 pm

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NO HE PLANS ON CONTINUING TO BE SHIT AT THE GAME LIKE LAST TIME ROFL
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Post Post #2703 (isolation #196) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:05 pm

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LOL

"HE WAS PLAYING LIKE SCUM, NOT MY FAULT, ANYWAY, BACK TO LYNCHING MATT BECAUSE I CANT BE WRONG THAT TOO"
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Post Post #2707 (isolation #197) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:07 pm

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ADD A LINE ABOUT HOW MUFFINS ARE BETTER THAN CUPCAKES TOO THANKS
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Post Post #2710 (isolation #198) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:08 pm

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In post 2701, Wisdom wrote:Prolly call me lucky im guessing
I WOULD ONLY SAY THAT ON THE RARE OCCASION WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HIT SCUM LOL
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Post Post #2719 (isolation #199) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:22 pm

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LOL, NO YOURE NOT
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