NY 213 - Game Over!

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hello everyone. nice to join yall. If you have any questions for me and could direct me towards the content your talking about i'd be happy to answer.

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hello everyone. nice to join yall. If you have any questions for me and could direct me towards the content your talking about i'd be happy to answer.

agreed with PP, the last 10-20 pages of D2 are the most cruical, the rest is skippable

Hopkirk is confrmed masons with the late Flavor Leaf
Ausuka is confirmed IC, and neighbors with Wave
PP is claimed VT

I'll have a content-y post for you in a bit

im starting to read those pages now.

so we have 2 confirmed town atm. 1 scum flip already. JJ is a bus candidate?

I'm gonna go ahead and say scum bussed because it was a d2 scum flip. thats a little too early for an all town scum lynch imo. idk who though atm.

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im not gonna blow the thread up with quote posts to describe 15-20 reads. i'll just give an overall statement at the end of catch up.

scioness seems town atm though.

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literally zero town motivation and ATE

side note i don't think i've ever seen the phrase "zero town motivation" used in concert with a sound and logical case on somebody

it's usually either made by town who doesn't understand that town do anything they want because most town don't give a shit about what you think looks like town motivation

or scum grasping for straws

PREACH wave preeeaaach.

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if hop and flavor have said lalendra is scum and I've read 119-127 and was getting scum pings from lalendra due to how she was talked about, what she posted...

lalendra is probably scum.

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But Teh’s hella scum

I was just going to say we

could

switch the TBG.

both of these guys are really good players from my experience on site. Isn't hop confirmed town? if one says TEH is scum its worth a look. if BOTH say it... well i'd risk a lynch there if my reads line up with it after catch up.

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I’m the mason, though. I’ll take that chance.

It’s a scummy claim because it will out other protective roles with it fake.

Your partner is more likely to die over you tho

anyone who tried to steer a lynch in any other direction after THIS post needs to be looked at. this is clear WIFOM for other town PR's now that we know wheme flipped scum and flavor flipped town.

at this point it was pretty obvious wheme was scum and flavor was town. So the flip only confirms this wifom. Flavor needed to be the NK due to nailing wheme, being a mason and probably calling out MORE THAN ONE scum member. I think flavor's reads are pretty important here.

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when scum go out of their way to wifom the nk on they're way out its a pretty important nk for whatever reason. that wifom tells me flavor was doing some major damage through his reads.

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Remember who is stalling back and forth.

yeah this needs to be the precedent for d3.

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im on pg 136. creature from 134 to 136 looks terrible.

my first thought on you jarjar is if you were scum bussing you did it right and dove into it full force. i think you're town atm. Depends on your skill i guess.

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was creature stalling for more reads or stalling because he's scum though?

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to be clear creature WOULD NOT be my first choice as lynch stallers go.

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i'd go back 20 pages. thats what i did. 119. its good stuff.

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Lol at Creature being a useless sack then showing up to bitch about poor town leadership. He hasn't even read the game. He's just throwing out random names.

"Omg scum-Pine will kill me" Pine is being replaced.

Creature needs rope tomorrow. Line that shit up.

ok yeah creature just looks bad in general.

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Townreads - Creature, Dunn, golden robster, scioness sajj, Kublai (?)
Kublai weakest one because I’m not sure why I townreads him he just pings me that way

Scumreads- tehbrawlgiy, gamma, PP, lalendra

if there's one scum in the SR's i'd say lalendra.

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reaction to the hammer is surely scum. No reads list. No "Lynch X tomorrow". Just acceptance.

I don’t do that

I think u meant to say: I don’t do that

unless I'm town

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Dong, if you think I'm scum and you guys end up lynching me. Who are you looking at after I flip green?

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Hey Dreal how will your reads change if i flip town?

Lynch Dreal tomorrow

concerning jarjar... is he capable of bussing to this extreme? he was hell bent on lynching wheme the whole time and while i would imagine scum bussed i would like to direct ppl towards lalendra's naked vote on wheme.

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What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

and as far as wagon stallers go this would be my first vote.

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vax, dunn, tbg, creature. major red flages there they resisted the wheme lynch HARD. very suspicious of all of these players.

lalendra, jarjar, robster, gamma are players im very suspicious of based on individual play.

if you're not named your either town or null.

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ausuka and hopkirk obviously lead the way but i'd strongly suggest we look at flavors reads also and use them TODAY.

today i think we should lynch lalendra or TBG.

followed by a pool of creature, dunn, robster. in that order.

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TBG if you ignore context and thought jjd was scum jjd bussed H A R D. I'm a little weary of scum using the context of the situation and trying to point the "bus" towards JJD to avoid the scum members that actually did bus. Yes it was only 2 votes away. His push is more convincing than lets say.... lalendra's for example. It was probably the most convincing behind flavor and hopkirk tbh.

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jarjar was vote 6 according to the vc?

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if you were asking me...

lalendra, creature, robster, JarJar.

thats most likely bus to least likely bus.

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can dunn and vax be the only scum that were off the wagon?

(other than wheme himself, of course.)

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no i understand and would be more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you were not a huge suspect.

Like i said im worried scum would try to use the context of the situation to achieve a mislynch on jarjar.

why would creature or lalendra be less likely to bus than jarjar? That does take skill and effort, what jarjar did, as either alignment.

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yes and i agree ignoring context is ignorant... to an extent.

let me ask you this, and i'll discuss jjd more with you but, what do you think of the players that decided not to take a stance on the matter at all and vote else where after jjd began to make this push?

like you said barring a miracle wheme is the lynch so what did others have to gain from moving their vote to places that were not wheme?

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if you were asking me...

lalendra, creature, robster, JarJar.

thats most likely bus to least likely bus.

I'm still re-reading, but I'd likely remove Golden Robster from that list. Golden Robster was first to vote WhemeStar in the day and has pretty consistently had him as scum.

well if you're the first to vote when it takes 12, i think, would you really think it'd go through? especially if you vote your scum buddy to distance early? look at his dialogue as the wagon grows. Sure his vote is there but it doesn't seem like he actually wants to be there. he pushes PP quite aggressively and im not a fan of the PP wagon. those reasons are the basis for my robster read.

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i've yet to ISO wheme but I wanted to with a little feedback in mind on my first impressions.

in all fairness i think if hop and flavor were wrong about a main read it was you but i'm not sure they were. You say JJD had no other option. The same could be said of your play for a player thats not willing to bus. Thats all im getting at.

as for the votes off the wheme wagon after wheme was obviously going to be the lynch or at least picking up good steam, why do you think those happened? Dunn's is pretty noticeable.

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if you were asking me...

lalendra, creature, robster, JarJar.

thats most likely bus to least likely bus.

I'm still re-reading, but I'd likely remove Golden Robster from that list. Golden Robster was first to vote WhemeStar in the day and has pretty consistently had him as scum.

well if you're the first to vote when it takes 12, i think, would you really think it'd go through? especially if you vote your scum buddy to distance early? look at his dialogue as the wagon grows. Sure his vote is there but it doesn't seem like he actually wants to be there. he pushes PP quite aggressively and im not a fan of the PP wagon. those reasons are the basis for my robster read.

I'm not at the wagon growing yet (on page 109 atm), so maybe. I'm just surprised to see him mentioned.

Why aren't you a fan of the PenguinPower wagon? I still have strong suspicions about him.

I think a lot of his negative attention comes from the early VT claim. Someone earlier, not sure who or what post, said they'd seen the player PP replace do that sort of "sacrifice" before. quoted from another game i do believe. I can see a VT doing that as a way to "meaningfully" contribute if their activity is low.

but mainly, it's because PP's wagon shot up quickly, as flavor mentioned, while whemes did not. Now we know PP was the main counter wagon to the wheme scum lynch, which is the most important thing.

with that info i'd like to believe at least 1 scum voted off the wagons (dunn), at least one scum voted PP (vax), at least one scum voted Wheme (lalendra, creature, robster, TBG, JarJar).

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Creature wagon is bad

VOTE: Lalendra person

A50 is obv town here

VOTE: JarJar

Lalendra's starting to sound meh

THANK YOU TOWN CREATURE

WhemeStar, still wanting those reads please.

on who

Vax, Performer, any scumread.

Vax town performer scum

On page 81

I have work so maybe will catch up after work

Jar jar is a good vote for now

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

Lol @ golden

creature aint never gettin lynched

VOTE: jar jar

ANSWER MINE FIRST

yes

if you really wanted to actually know you could of just checked my game history instead of being sarcastic

now answer my questions

Scum creature - never posts

Town creature - posts

Yah creature is lock town

Also I think golden rob is obv town and wagon is bad

I believe these were all wheme's post with players im suspicious of him being scum with... that creature relationship is just as good as his jar jar one @TBG?

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Oh yay, Tchill is town.

So is Creature.

What the fuck.

Do people not actually read Creature posts?

Someone needs to link me to a scum-Creature game. All game people have been saying his scum game is obvious. And if it's somehow more obvious than this game, I have to see this for myself.

Yeah I don't understand why creature is getting defended here.

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VOTE: Lalendra

VOTE: lalendra

Yeah while I'm a little unsure about a few players I'm pretty sure about lalendra.

Lack of sorting, reading into things. Very different from her comfortable town self imo.

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Also I AM willing to look the other way for creature based on hopkirk and flavors reads, only because of my faith in them.

Gamma I can't remember EVERY game lol. It's been so long since I've played with most of you. I'm glad to see yall again though.

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hello everyone. nice to join yall. If you have any questions for me and could direct me towards the content your talking about i'd be happy to answer.

I think this is my first game with you since TM
what the heck happened to you

I just stayed in mini normals. I'm about to branch out to only playing large normals though.

Gamma what's your stance on lalendra, dunn?

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Hopkirk I need you to explain why dunn is town. I can't just ignore all of my reads because you see differently lol.

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So I'm getting a strong feeling about TBG and creature being the same alignment.

Hopkirk how have you managed to differentiate those two?

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Robster when lalendra plays town it's EAGER newb town. That's the difference. Reads into things a little too much. She tries to sort though.

I'm not seeing any eagerness here.

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TBG seems to be defending creature a good amount really hard.

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Ik lalendra is gonna be a difficult lynch makes me think she's scum more.

I can see dunn being town for the same reason jjd could be town.

Scum using context to pin a mislynch.

The jury is still out on dunn.

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What in the world are you getting at ssjj? Lol

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Robster when lalendra plays town it's EAGER

newb

town. That's the difference. Reads into things a little too much. She tries to sort though.

I'm not seeing any eagerness here.

The highlighted word is my problem: she'll eventually transition out of being a newb, and her playstyle will change. I don't know if it has yet, I'm just pointing out the thing.

ok when everybody stops saying that she'll have transitioned

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why is vax commonly TR'd?

why is texcat commonly SR'd?

these are my two biggest questions atm.

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it's almost more beneficial not to nus with whemes wagon due to the fact its an inevitable lynch and that will definitely be talked about.

i would imagine one scum went out of their way not to bus at the end of the wagon.

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Creature, why'd u leave the lala wagon?

It felt pointless.

Why did it feel pointless? Hopkirk and flavor both said she's scum. They're both confirmed town. Flavor was dead on with his weme read. Weme openly committed wifom to make sure scum were able to kill flavor (which means he was a huge threat).

I'm 99 percent sure flavor called out two scum members at least. If that's true I'd be willing to bet on lalendra the most out of his call outs.

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I'm 99 percent sure flavor called out two scum members at least. If that's true I'd be willing to bet on lalendra the most out of his call outs.

I was starting to think you could actually read me tchill

thats the point. not only does flavor and hopkirk SR you but I do as well.

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Creature, why'd u leave the lala wagon?

It felt pointless.

Why did it feel pointless? Hopkirk and flavor both said she's scum. They're both confirmed town. Flavor was dead on with his weme read. Weme openly committed wifom to make sure scum were able to kill flavor (which means he was a huge threat).

I'm 99 percent sure flavor called out two scum members at least. If that's true I'd be willing to bet on lalendra the most out of his call outs.

@creature

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not feeling those wagons today.
wheme over penguin, but we may have to go back to PP anyway.

VOTE: whemestar

After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

This looks more like scum who jumps off when Wheme fakeclaims than Dunn. Goes onto Wheme despite no stated scumread (from a loneish wagon) on Wheme, jumps off Wheme after the claim onto the Penguin counterwagon. Also the reluctancy in the initial Wheme vote (we'll probably go back to penguin)- despite not being on Penguin- sounds like someone planning to hop off/not comitted.

so lalendra and scioness jj are probably scum. Good catch hopkirk. I agree.

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Creature, are you disliking any of these lynches (Lalendra, Scion, TBG, maybe Pine)?

i'd say TBGT is the least likely to be scum out of the group, that said i believe there's a good chance TBG is scum.

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FL was killed because he was a mason.
His scumreads are probably good. Although the two he stated before dying most heavily were you and TBG, so maybe you killed him because of those reads.

Yes i agree that he was killed because he was a mason.

I’m the mason, though. I’ll take that chance.

It’s a scummy claim because it will out other protective roles with it fake.

Your partner is more likely to die over you tho

this is what makes me super confident that Flavor had multiple correct Scum reads. If scum go out of their way to wifom when they know their flip is soon... That means scum REALLY want you dead.

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lalendra, scioness, vax, tbg look like my top priorities atm.

I still don't understand why ppl TR vax.

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i have done an iso let me present to you why i think Adriod18 is scum:
1. gut/tone
2. the thing with Jarjar

osuka's flip would interest me but I don't think it'd flip scum mostly because he's been a topic of the game for the whole thing.

reads to me as:

i know osuka is town but i don't have reads so my excuse for voting will be information

statment like that, when coming from town, i would expect to be followed with so game solving. in a way that he has already thought about what possible information can be gained. don't really see why town would lynch a townread for info if they don't even know if they will find anything.

I'm a VT do as you wish.

I'm a VT do as you wish.

That's a relief. The only reason I had you in my null-town reads earlier was that I thought you might be a PR who didn't know how to handle your role. That did wear out already, but thanks for the reassurance. Lynching a VT is the next best thing to lynching scum with 16 hours to go.

I would agree if lynching that VT was a good information read but from what I'm getting I'm mostly a policy lynch (an understandable policy lynch but still one none the less)

if you want to lynch me lynch me BUT remember i'm not really that good lynch.

in a span of 10 minutes. it's pretty obvious that he didn't really mean 1790 and got scared by A50 post. don't see it coming from town.

i had just started my catch up (pg 119). This looked like genuine sorting. I got a good vibe from it. I liked what I seen.

thats the only reason i mentioned TR'ing you.

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Yes 119-current. I haven't read before 119 but picked up on things such a a VT claim and a vig fake claim apparently.

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Omg I'm interested at how lalendra is gonna handle this lmao.

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@jarjar I just don't like the fact that he ignored my question. He obviously thinks lalendra is a good lynch yet he says lalendras wagon is boring? What the heck?

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I'm not going to waste my time defending myself against the wagon that's forming, other than to say I'm town. I prefer to spend my time trying to find the actual scum. But I'll answer any questions people have.

she hasn't spent time trying to find scum though? You said you thought she was scum... i don't see why her wagon is pointless.

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Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

The thing I hate is the timing of the cluelessness.

I mean it's actually ridiculous.

If lalendra is actually town here she bought herself a ticket to lylo with that. Oon top of being a mislynch candidate for scum she's actually clueless.

IF lalendra is scum, she is, then the cluelessness is AtE. I've never seen lalendra show great skills at fighting off her lynch. I can see her as scum saying "she won't fight" then acting like she has no clue whats going on the game. Thats what you do when you dont know how to methodically defend yourself.

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Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

The thing I hate is the timing of the cluelessness.

kublai were you the one that told me i should take a certain player out of my SR while you were catching up?

i'd love to hear more thoughts from you regarding vax and TBG.

Do you agree that flavor called out multiple scum? if so who's the most likely?

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I've never seen lalendra show great skills at fighting off her lynch. I can see her as scum saying "she won't fight" then acting like she has no clue whats going on the game. Thats what you do when you dont know how to methodically defend yourself.

So what you're saying is that it's not possible for town to not know how to defend themselves when they are getting run up?
If I didn't consistently scumread other people for doing it I'd self-vote to get this over with and let you guys get on with finding actual scum.

you refuse to defend yourself. You claim its because "you dont know how" youre helpless town. I dont buy that. Town SHOULD at least try to fight back. Then there's the self vote threat....

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Like ya'll get what I'm saying right?


Like why would a townie that is self voting to get the day over with care about being scumread?

I agree. I wouldn't call it a slip so to speak but i understand.

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But I'm not sure why you believe that Lalendra? 13/7.5=~1.7 and I know you've played mini games which regularly contain 3 scum.

lmao good logic ausuka.

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you refuse to defend yourself. You claim its because "you dont know how" youre helpless town. I dont buy that. Town SHOULD at least try to fight back. Then there's the self vote threat....

How would you like me to defend myself? I explained my reasoning for thinking TBG is scum, how many scum I think there are and why, why I think FL was killed...I'm explaining my logic for every stance I've taken. I don't have "reasoning" to explain why I'm town other than by saying that I'm town. If everyone is confbiased at this point and refuses to believe me, then that's not my problem. I just think it's sad that we're wasting time here when we could be lynching TBG and finding the rest of the scum team (whether it's 1, or 3, or whatever).

I guess I shouldn't say it's not my problem, because it clearly IS my problem because I'm probably getting mislynched yet-fucking-again.

"yet-fucking-again"

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yet fucking again

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why do you think this is the case? why do you think you're mislynched often. you obviously have an opinion.

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its actually outrageous lurkers out live engaged town but thats post game talk.

im talking about why she thinks the scum team consist of only 3 ppl. thats bizarre and ausuka pointed out the flaw in reasoning she hasnt commented back on yet.

idc about tthe rest of her "cluelessness" that could be WIFOM.

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I did actually forget she was IC so thank you for the reminder.

I am defending myself the best I can, I'm not calculating the way to do it. I am attempting to answer questions as they are presented and be as transparent as possible with my thinking. It's not methodical or subversive. I regularly get reminded that I'm no good at the game so thanks for that as well. I do, however, have to disagree with the statement that I am disengaged. I am reading the game thoroughly and doing my best. I may come off as a "lurker" because I only jump in and say something when I feel that I have something to say, I don't post just to post, nor am I capable of breaking setups or figuring out the scum master plan. I am simply here, doing my best, trying to have fun, like everyone else.

p-edit: My opinion right now is that apparently, I am just not a very good player, and for some reason people seem to confuse being scum and being a less-than-optimal player for the same thing. I am also getting frustrated that everyone is so convinced I am scum that they are taking everything I say as evidence of that. So I guess I'll just sit back and enjoy watching you all go back to square one tomorrow.

square 1? we have a scum flip. thats not square one. I don't see why you're not attacking other people's cases and pointing out flaws against you. They can't all be good cases if you're actually town. The lack to do what i just mentioned screams scum. It's not hard to do that. Nobody is accusing you of being bad. You just lurk. I've yet to see a NATURAL read from you that looks too in depth, a hallmark of town lalendra. Thats my sole main case against you backed up by the fact hop and flavor also agree that you're scum and i thought flavor was kind of familiar with you isn't he?

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its actually outrageous lurkers out live engaged town but thats post game talk.

how so? do you expect scum to keep engaged/leader-ly type players alive? as for town pov, judging by how many people lurk/flake out reading policy lynching them all isn't really an option nor particularly nice thing to do.

im talking about why she thinks the scum team consist of only 3 ppl. thats bizarre and ausuka pointed out the flaw in reasoning she hasnt commented back on yet.

idc about tthe rest of her "cluelessness" that could be WIFOM.

my bad then.

I expect town to take care of liabilities in the form of lurkers and/or scum. If you leave lurker town alive you WILL leave lurker scum alive. Please save this for post game lol.

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you have a better shot at making a reasonable TBG case than you do defending yourself and you've taken the easier path lalendra.

is my disagreeing of your play not justified lalendra?

Why do you think flavor and hopkirk have incoreectly read you?

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I don't believe i've ever seen you have those types of reads as scum though. Can you link a scum game where you have faked TR's that are too well thought out? Is that something you can factually say you've accomplished as scum?

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@ankimus its inclusive of all lurkers no matter alignment.

seriously though lalendra, TBG, Vax, (creature, brawler) all have decent chances of being scum.

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TBG immediately pushes jarjar, the mislynch for scum to push im as far as players that could have "bussed". Who else pushed jarjar?

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i don't have a preferance. scum is scum and i think scum off the wagon is more noticeable than scum on the wagon. aka vax with a sprinkle of dunn.

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I don't understand why lalendra isn't a good lynch today. She naked voted to get on the wagon. Only scum reads TBG which half the game scum reads... I haven't seen any sorting from her...

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VOTE: kublia khan

VOTE: kublia khan

wtf is this shit?

Also van just voted kublai. Nobody finds that suspicious?

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I mean, is it that hard to believe? They're confirmed town, that doesn't mean they're right. You want people to just mindlessly sheep them?

I would certainly expect scum to sheep them if lala was town wouldnt you?

This is like my entire point.

GREAT POINT.

man i got to post about how great of a point the wagon comp and stall was then you said that.

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UNVOTE: Lalendra

Holy shit, that VC

Yeah Lalendra is probably town

what about the vc makes lalendra town?

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Honestly

If I saw a wagon being led by conftown and the wagon ended up flipping town

That's the very first angle I would be looking for

I wouldn't be too surprised if scum were dispersed off the wagon, especially if the slots right after the conftowns are town.

UNVOTE: Lalendra

Holy shit, that VC

Yeah Lalendra is probably town

>Ankamius makes argument that scum would scatter from a too-town wagon
>Ankamius sees wagon is town
>Ankamius unvotes and scatters.

Dude..

this looks like scum saying "id do this as scum" then going out of their way not to do that lol.

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wouldn't uncleared town be just as scared to join that wagon as much as scum based on that logic?

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VOTE: myloninja

If there's enough reason to actually Sr him other than the lurking then I'm on board.

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I'd rather have lalendra lynched but that doesn't seem to be what the majority wants.

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yup

that's mylo in a nutshell

Why even play?

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I'm fine with this lynch 100 percent

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Join the fun lol.

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VOTE: lalendra

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Tchill are you sure that Tex isn't the one true party wagon to rule them all?

im sure you should choose between lalendra and mylo.

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There's enough scum in this game for us to reasonably be going back and forth between scum.

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what are the cons to lynching creature instead of lalendra?

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they could both be scum and if creature flips scum thats two lynched ppl lalendra naked voted.

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like there's 6 or 7 scum this game. I would think 3-4 would be obvious given our conftown players and their reads. We might be going back and forth on multiple scum.

I'd rather lynch a staller or busser today. preferably a staller.

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what are the cons to lynching creature instead of lalendra?

I could be town.
You'd be lynching someone who's self-resolving while there are scummier players.
Scum are gonna dedicate their victory to you.

Harsh bro

Calling me scum MVP with one town flip and one scum flip lol.

Someone seems annoyed

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Why would you believe the doctor claim? Even in real time? It's almost inexcusable to believe it all imo.

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The amount of counter wagons that popped up from lalendra tells me she's scum and scum are scrambling to find a different wagon.

It's kind of obvious.

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I can't remember where lalendra was town and her prfessiona was super natural or she had super genuinely town post. I feel that she's actually better at seeming town when she's scum and she's worried about it.

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Progression

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Are we going to still talk about yesterday?

Why wouldn't we? The game should revolve around yesterday.

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Lalendra wagon looks town but it feels like a gamble to me, as I mentioned earlier. It feels like a coinflip lynch to me. I don't get why people like wave and Tchill have been so happy to sit on it today, but there are so many things in this game I don't understand I can't even count them with both hands and toes.

Love you too PP. <3

because of her meta and how she acted when it came to wheme. then there's hop and flavor also SR'ing her.

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Pretty much. Im town, creatures town, get over it.


Why do you think we should think ur town kublai?

this is garbage and you cant blame anybody else for getting mislynched if youre town and creature flips scum.

"get over it" how about back that statement up with reasoning?

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Pretty much. Im town, creatures town, get over it.


Why do you think we should think ur town kublai?

Most of your posts lately have been "I'm town" and calling me town.

like i'd rather lynch vax than creature.

seems like vax wants town cred if creature is lynched first and flips town but is setting up a creature lynch if vax is lynched first and flips scum.

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If you want me off of texcat you're going to have to explain why they're town

there's more than 1 scum in the game. there's probably more than 3 scum in the game atm. Just because you can't explain why someone is town doesn't mean they're scum.

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Not sure he's the next lynch. I hate the Creature wagon + Krazy + Tex - though also Dunn.

Don't particularly care for Vax either.

then who the hell is scum and how are you disliking creature, tex, dunn?

regardless of motivation it's reasonable to SR those players.

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look at how many counter wagons have popped up to keep lalendra from getting lynched.

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If you want me off of texcat you're going to have to explain why they're town

there's more than 1 scum in the game. there's probably more than 3 scum in the game atm. Just because you can't explain why someone is town doesn't mean they're scum.

I mean, that seems as good a place as any to start lynching for scum, no?

What makes tex stand out to you individually above the rest? your own words please.

From my pov why should I vote tex over you?

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how many votes did tex get?

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what

we have 24 hours until this day cycle ends and you're going hardlurk?

what

we have 24 hours until this day cycle ends and you're going hardlurk?

Yup

"I don't want any credibility for this flip!!!"

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If town refuses to vote lalendra after her absent mindedness and how she handled the wheme lynch then idk what else to tell yall.

Hop and flavor consistently have good reads as town. I also have a decent percentage of correctly reading lalendra. I SR her, they SR her.

She's probably scum here.

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how many votes did tex get?

Like 5-6, it was definitely the top wagon

whats your opinion on the fact the wagon after tex was countered 3ish times? At least was met with a lot of vanity wagons.

Wouldn't the wagon after scum, with so many scum in the game that need a town lynch today, probably go through if it were on town?

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1 more hour

Anyone here

I wanna talk after I claim

Hi

Im town doctor

Targeted Hopkirk N1

I thought scum wouldnt kill the IC N1 because of protective and thought that they wouldnt kill creature cause hes not doing anything so targeted hopkirk

Like, he's practically confirmed scum after that last post. Now i read it with the knowledge that he had flipped scum BUT i would imagine in real time (I read 119 through here) it was painfully obvious.

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What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

UNVOTE: Wheme

if wheme flips town you hardlynch PP with me

VOTE: whemestar

VOTE: penguin power

ladies and gentleman. There are the "stallers" there's at least 1 if not 2 scum there. All after the obvious doc fake claim.

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im counting Rob because he goes out of his way to point out he thinks wheme may flip town. If you have any thought that the claimed doctor flips town in what world do you vote him?

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@dunn lets move on. Why Texcat over PP or TBG today? When the fake doc claim happened you voted those players. Why no push this day phase?

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The fact that Wheme, Lalendra, and Mylo are on PP also points towards PP town. They’re either scum joining on, or town that is being used a scum sheep votes for scum.

Wheme likely has the worst ISO in this game, to be honest. We had Wave, who I think is town, alongside the masons and Penguin being the only ones on the Wheme wagon initially when PP was picking up steam.

lalendra and mylo are either sheeping scum or are scum here early. I agree 100 percent with this.

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Also the Hopkirk claim was underwhelming, I'm glad he claimed but I was already townreading him so I was hoping it would be some other slot that would give me more info. I guess at least now I don't have to worry about wavering on that slot later.

Yet you all forced the second mason to claim. There was literally no reason for it.

It would have EASILY been confirmed in a day or two. Never do that again.

We have yet to see whether it's a good or bad thing for town.

confirmed conf town

I was already conf town before. Now I’m confirmed conf town.

I...what

town: flavor/hopkirk, kk, jarjar, etl (from d1, needs updating).
town???: mylo13, gamma, golden robster, penguinpower,
null: and everybody i forgot about
scum???: texcat, lalendra? (i can't tell how much of it it's peculiar posting style and how much is weird motions), andriod, wave (not really in lynchable pile, but doesn't fit anywhere else).

there is no 'scum' because this is based on pages 100-116 +what i remember thinking of slots from d1. i'd put andriod in scums since nobody is willing to explain their townread on it but it will do just fine in

VOTE: andriod18

Wait. So you don't have any scumreads, and your readslist is admittedly missing half the players, so you're arbitrarily deciding android is scum because other people TR him and haven't explained it well enough? That's...odd, at best.

VOTE: Whemestar

I fail to see the reason for the wheme vote.

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apparently there was a group that made the other mason claim???

If a player met the mason claim with either hesitation or forced the other mason to claim...

and they also either stalled the wagon or looked like they bussed...

they need to be lynched. Now can someone please tell me who forced the other mason to claim? all ik is lalendra was a part of that due to flavors iso.

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Alright, finally Tchill is here. LOL I was starting to wonder if your meta just flips out in large normals or if you were just getting caught up.

hopefully you've read multiple games of mine.

First large in a bit but i'll be in the large normals from now on for a long time. Meta probably wont change for a bit until i get used to large normals.

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@dunn lets move on. Why Texcat over PP or TBG today? When the fake doc claim happened you voted those players. Why no push this day phase?

PP looks like the counter wagon and no I don't remember voting him

TBG was on the scum wagon so I'm not interested in voting him, also it looked like the only non-pp alternative to yesterday

so you'd rather lynch womeone who stalled the wagon than manybe someone who bussed? Did Texcat look like he stalled more so than the others i just listed? Brawler, Scionness...

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even vax?

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Mason partner doesn't claim today

There's no reason why we have to go after flavor leaf today, if he were lying we'd figure it out eventually and he wouldn't get away

Same thing I did with Wheme's doctor claim

the issue is it looks like your scrambling with the multiple votes. PP was a bad vote imo. TBG as well AT THE TIME.

Had you voted Tex there your play would have more credibility.

I would also imagine the mason claim was in a much more believable manner than the doc claim.

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What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

you vote PP right here.

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@dunn lets move on. Why Texcat over PP or TBG today? When the fake doc claim happened you voted those players. Why no push this day phase?

PP looks like the counter wagon and no I don't remember voting him

TBG was on the scum wagon so I'm not interested in voting him, also it looked like the only non-pp alternative to yesterday

so you'd rather lynch womeone who stalled the wagon than manybe someone who bussed? Did Texcat look like he stalled more so than the others i just listed? Brawler, Scionness...

I'm voting Texcat because I feel like they are scummy

Stalling isn't scummy because they still get lynched in the end

but they tried to stop a scum lynch? How is that not scummy? To try and stop a scum lynch in any form is pretty scummy imo

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OK, I did and it's because pp looked like the only viable alternative but I wasn't happy about it so I switched to tbg shortly after, texcat was never viable yesterday and I didn't even have my sights on them

he's not viable atm but your vote stays now?

you forgot that you made a vote you felt terrible about? Which means you literally voted PP just to vote someone else.

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What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

that last line is the only reason he fake claimed a DOC of all things. I would imagine scum even came together to decide if he should fake claim and what he should fake claim.

So for me to see YOU buy that reasoning so willingly EVEN BRING THAT POINT UP, scramble to vote anyone else, then forget about those 2 pushes the next day phase...

tells me you're probably scum. no matter what your meta is.

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"stalling isn't scummy because he still go lynched"??? what the heck is that?

It's scummy BECAUSE HE FLIPPED SCUM. The stallers did not want him to flip.

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I already explained my current stance on voting so no to whatever you're trying to get me to say

im not trying to get you to say anything. Your stance on texcat has nothing to do with this next ppoint.

You're vote on PP was so terrible you forgot it and voted someone else. You said it was a vote you felt bad about. Which means you voted PP just to vote someone else other than wheme.

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looking like dunn, lalendra, gamma, scionness, vax.

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of course idk the names of the lurkers but im sure there's a scum in there too.

I owuldn't be surprised if 2 scum hopped on PP early out of lalendra, wheme, mylo to get that PP wagon growing.

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I have to understand that to know if you're progression from wheme to PP to TBG to texcat is justified


It's not. Clearly you refuse to work with town to achieve a lynch by stating you will remain on texcat regardless. Someone you did not vote when you unvoted wheme. Someone you did not pursue when you stated wheme could protect the claimed masons.

Which was the whole point of the DOC claim. This did not stick at all. Instead this was looked over. The fact you pointed that out so quickly makes me feel better about you being scum.

Wheme claims DOC, dunn points that out immediately... Sounds like teamwork to me.

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Which one is the lurker scum?

14. Lovebird Davesaz Frozen Angel Skygazer
17. Andriod18 Ankamius
23. Myloninja13

Is anyone else considered a lurker at this point outside these three?

We got enough scum to deal with to worry about lurkers later. An investigative using actions in those slots would be beneficial because imo we have all the info we need based on how so many acted concerning wheme.

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Clearly you refuse to work with town to achieve a lynch by stating you will remain on texcat regardless.

Go back and read where I said I'd vote elsewhere then we can talk, not going to talk in circles though

OK don't talk in circles. Dispute the case I just laid against you.

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Correct. Policy and I didn't care.

The issue is we actually have enough content here to care. There's 5+ ppl here who are logically suspicious.

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Scum better kill me tonight

U and I will be around tomorrow dude.

Too much pressure for a possible misslynch with us.

Vax or dunn need to be lynched tomorrow.

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There's so many possible scum it's ridiculous.c

Dunn never argued my main points against him.

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Hop can you give me your sr's one more time? I don't need reasons.

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What about all the other townie stuff Vaxkiller has done?

Yeah cant we talk about this?

I was being sarcastic.

yeah i was looking forward to whatever you were talking about lol.

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and vax seems to be getting cleared for his claim.

the thing is thats bad play either alignment, so i'd say thats NAI. Be careful how much credit you give the scum team.

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Focusing on stallers is a bad reason to townread someone after a townflip

true

what do you think about tchill right now?

I thought he was town initially but that was for kind of really flimsy reasons so he's in who knows land

I never made a post saying i don't want any credibility for the flip though...

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Tchill. Texcat wagon has cookies!

JOIN US~~~~

scionness

dunn, creature, vax

thats my priority of lynches.

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VOTE: scioness

my reasons were posted during my "stallers" case.

Dunn never disputed my main points against him,

him being the one that brought up the fact the doc could protect the claimed masons

, which is why scum would have fake claimed doc.

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VOTE: texcat

That was never your main point against me and it's not scummy

yeah it was, the fact you voted whoever doesn't matter i even said that. It just adds to it because you voted PP primarily to get off wheme. You admitted that.

So imo Dunn is either really gullible town or scum trying to save wheme. I'll give him credit for not being that gullible and say he's scum.

Scionness and dunn are voting tex together. I'm not joining that wagon.

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Feels like a tug of war going on.

then join the generally town read players voting Scionness.

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NICE MEME FOR REAL LOL.

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VOTE: scioness

y not?

here's the bus.

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Feels like a tug of war going on.

then join the generally town read players voting Scionness.

yeah worked out great last time

Do you want to dispute any reasons behind your wagon?

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VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

so if you didn't want another claim why'd you choose to try and lynch someone else (which may lead to another claim) instead of lynching the incredibly convenient (due to the fact we already had multiple players for the "doc" to protect), atrocious doc fake claim?

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JJD's presence alone is making me very skeptical about it for some reason

Are you scumreadin jjd now?

It's more paranoia tbh

whos your surprise wagon and why?

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Yeah ik. Vote the logic amiright?

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What's the warning? I'm failing to see where my logic is flawed and why.

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Quote them

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I did.

I specifically looked at my quote about the lurkers, a group, and seen what I had quoted above ssjj because I remembered him standing out.

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make sure you read multiple games of mine. This is a large and i've been quite frustrated here recently. I'm purposefully not bogging down the thread.

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What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

UNVOTE: Wheme

if wheme flips town you hardlynch PP with me

VOTE: whemestar

VOTE: penguin power

ladies and gentleman. There are the "stallers" there's at least 1 if not 2 scum there. All after the obvious doc fake claim.

dunn, sajj, robster and vax.

If you see the quote i just made was from this post, not too hard to find as i deem this my "staller" post.

Dunn is on the counterwagon to sajj.

Rob is voting sajj but im more sure about dunn! scum than Rob! scumm

and I even called out vax vote as a bus on sajj.

Why the complaint? @anki

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VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

so if you didn't want another claim why'd you choose to try and lynch someone else (which may lead to another claim) instead of lynching the incredibly convenient (due to the fact we already had multiple players for the "doc" to protect), atrocious doc fake claim?

pp was already claimed vt lmao

fair point. I still SR Sajj though.

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I view PP as damn near conftown. So that doesn't really help @TBG.

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You voted someone I view as almost conftown to get off scum.

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Dunn is on the counterwagon to sajj.

misrep

Are you voting tex?

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You voted someone I view as almost conftown to get off scum.

@sajj

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I might take a break from mafia after this game...

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That's a good in depth read (with bias confirmation imo).

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Dunn is on the counterwagon to sajj.

misrep

Are you voting tex?

You made it seem like I voted texcat as a coutnerwagon to sajj

In reality I've been voting tex since yesterday and there was no sajj wagon when I voted, so yeah that was pretty misreppy to suggest otherwise

not a misrep. there is a tex wagon and a sajj wagon. They are wagons that are countering the other. You are not voting sajj, i'm probably not gonna vote with you so there is why i made that comment.

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its a statement.

dunn is on the counterwagon to sajj. Did I say why he was on it? Did i accuse him of voting for a specific reason? no.

That IS NOT MISREPPING. people who claim misrep usually WANT to see the misrep. I'll happily apologize if i misrep.

I never said you voted him solely because he was the counter. I said you were on the counter.

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so a wagon has to begin after it to be a counter? I've honestly never seen it that way.

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ok

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Dunn is on the counterwagon to sajj.

misrep

Here ye, Here ye,

dunn is on the COMPETING wagon.

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I've never used the word competing I've only used the word counter as a universal meaning lmao.

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anyways. doesnt matter.

Dunn did you genuinely believe wheme's claim? as convenient as that would have been? Why did you feel the need to spotlight the fact we already had claimed masons for him to protect?

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nah he didn't say he was.

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Yes, I am still scum reading Mylo.

Looking at my wagon, I'm pretty sure either Krazy or Dunn is scum. I don't think both of them can be. I keep having my doubts about Creature, but I can't believe he's actually scum posting this much. I'm surprised by TBG. I thought he was more logical than to follow memes and cookies onto my wagon.

VOTE: dunn you should vote dunn.

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honestly out of all my SR's im the most sure about dunn. Dunn voting n the the competing wagon to sajj made me more sure of sajj scum. We can lynch dunn first then flip sajj though.

Dunn is scum. I'd like him lynched.

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anyways. doesnt matter.

Dunn did you genuinely believe wheme's claim? as convenient as that would have been? Why did you feel the need to spotlight the fact we already had claimed masons for him to protect?

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Town: Penguin, Wave, JarJar, KK
Also, town: Gamma/Texcat/Android/Tchill/Creature/Skygazer
Dunn I want to reread at some point.
People I also want to reread that I’m currently suspicious of: Scion/Vax/TBG/Krazy/Robster/Mylo

I mean I'm right there with hopkirk.

Hop what do you think about my observation on dunn? He pointed out why we should keep the doc alive.

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Krazy give some other reads than tex or gamma.

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So many damn lurkers. Sheesh.

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Lynching dunn is an easy choice guys come on.

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It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

Wheme fake claims, dunn highlights why we'd keep the doc in the game. Now in the context of the claim it looks terrible and awkward. So I'm having a hard time believing anyone actually believed that claim. On top of the fact DUNN HIGH LIGHTED THE DOC COULD PROTECT THE MASONS. Which is why scum fake claimed doc in particular.

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Doc not cop

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Also, how do you feel about Scion?

Who's this directed at?

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If we had an option of chainsawing ppl on or off the wagon I'd choose chainsawing off the wheme wagon. I there there's more scum off it that stalled it than on it that bussed.

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VOTE: scion

I've yet to sort gamma or frozen. Is there any particular reason you're asking hopkirk?

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I feel anti-Robster.

Anti robster is town or anti robster is scum?

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honestly out of all my SR's im the most sure about dunn. Dunn voting n the the competing wagon to sajj made me more sure of sajj scum. We can lynch dunn first then flip sajj though.

Dunn is scum. I'd like him lynched.

wait how are you getting these associations?

Not associations. I individually scum read both players and dunn just so happens to be on the competing wagon to scionn

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I think Krazy's case on gamma is great btw but gamma would still be at the back of my SRs

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I'll sink my teeth into this tonight if everyone is going to stand around with their hands in their pockets.

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I really don't understand the mylo push because he's a lurker and I've failed to see any substance from the texcat pushers.

Seems like ppl continue to push him so they don't have to make any more stances.

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It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

no clue why you think that scum has fake claims ready.

Wheme fake claimed doc.

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It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

Wheme fake claims, dunn highlights why we'd keep the doc in the game. Now in the context of the claim it looks terrible and awkward. So I'm having a hard time believing anyone actually believed that claim. On top of the fact DUNN HIGH LIGHTED THE DOC COULD PROTECT THE MASONS. Which is why scum fake claimed doc in particular.

Hm this makes sense
VOTE: Dunnstral

i don't like dunn wagon anymore

Why? Because you SR gamma? You realize that could be gamma scum! Bussing off of someone else's logic?

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It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

no clue why you think that scum has fake claims ready.

Wheme fake claimed doc.

i'm aware. does not understand what makes you so sure that it was pre-planned and that whole scumteam has fakeclamis ready.

So you think he fake claimed doc for no reason when we already had multiple PRs claim? You don't see that connection? You don't just fake claim to fake claim. You fake claim something that's beneficial for town in a given scenario. Doc obviously was.

It was an obvious fake claim. Town "coincidencently" ran up the doctor?

He said "wait I have to work I'll be back in a bit" followed by "anyone here i? I'm ready to talk and claim".

Look at his iso. Look at the last 5 pages leading up to the wagon. If it's not obvious it was a fake claim idk what to tell you. Look how it stalled.

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How am I reaching? Either dunn here is gullible town or scum that highlights why we should leave scum wheme alive.

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I didn't say he was bussing I was just saying it's a possibility and I wanted your specific reasoning for it.

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Ausuka was strictly killed because of conftown status.

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I never said mafia has a bunch of fake claims ready.im saying they planned the doc claim after the masons outed.

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Hopkirk has better reads in my experience of the two from all games played.

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Dunn needs to be lynched.

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oh for my 'analysis' for the day

sajj is town
dunnstral is probably town

thank you for your time everybody

Do you think robster or Vax is scum?

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but that would mean not lurking for another 2-3 game days

Why do you do this?

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Gamma are you just ignoring Krazy now?

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I'll vote with whoever tomorrow if they vote dunn today.

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VOTE: dunn

Lol.

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@hop do you think dunn is town?

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Do you think scum!Dunn defends wheme's doctor claim?

thats the issue.

the thing is if someone were to bus or someone were to stall they'd have to know how it'd look in hindsight. IDK what kind of skill level scum has. I'm not sure whether its more likely scum make a big scene out of bus/stall or they do it quietly. I do think scum thought they had a chance for a wheme survival with the doc fake claim.

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and again:

Spoiler:

I wouldn't feel too bad about lynching a town vig, by the way, but maybe we should let them live. If nothing else, if they're real they could tie up mafia roleblocker or something

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

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Why the 2 different attitudes about the claims?

Tell me why didn't he defend the vig claim?

Like seriously how is that not a lynchable offense for people? There's a reason he hasn't even tried to defend it.

this train of thought has a little more substance to it than mine when pushing dunn imo. I think these are great points.

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but that would mean not lurking for another 2-3 game days

Why do you do this?

Trying to townlead isn't going to get me anywhere but nowhere right now

Gotta let the distractions and the other town leads die first

you can at least not lurk though.

not lurking and town leading are not the same thing.

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Hopkirk has better reads in my experience of the two from all games played.

What is the meaning of this post?

someone said ausuka got lynched for reads and im pretty much saying id be shocked because of the two conftowns i'd lynch hop because he usually has better reads.

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people are just flat out refusing to lynch dunn.

I'd really like to know why when it comes to ppl i TR. Such as hop.

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what happened to hard lurking?