Open 730: Donner Party [Terminado]

[Eragon]

damnit

backstar was p.much

confirmed town

[Eragon]

Spoiler:

AP- >I have a bad gut feeling on his post 53 about the set-up. Its likely It was a joke, but It feels off to me. >Oh great, AP just got spewed town by Marshmallow in 58. >I still don’t like his posts but I feel he is spewed town. >88feels very towny to me and from a town PoV

2. Ceejayvinoya-
>I see a vote on lucky otter that strikes me as odd, but I don’t see scum voting for that reason.
>I do see explanation and it is good to have some discussion among us, so lite town for now.
>votes unreal seal for the exact reasons I was pinged by. Nice mind meld
>im really liking ceejay’s posts and see him very towny
>113towny and good feeling for me
>i dont really like his 180, but I can see reasons for the vote itself
>Spewed town from 127
>170 and 169 are both awkward, but still towny-ish
>177 so you are saying you didn’t agree with Seal??? But you sheeped his vote???? This is off-putting

4. UnrealSeal-
>108defends MM by saying they are noob town for hopping votes. Shades otter’s response and vote and then votes otter. I find this post wolfy
>112 I dont see the point of this at all
>114 blatant wolfy misrep saying otter posted directly after 101, otter posted at 105
>not a huge fan of 118, and I don’t like the stuff about Not_Mafia, seems a bit TMI tbh.
>129 spews both Lucky and Unreal town
>204 wtf is this post?? Betting money MM flips town. My question is, does scum make that post post-hammer

5. BlackStar-
>started off RvS on a scum. I would like to call this townie but could have had ulterior motives.
>Oh, ok, nvm, BlackStar is town from MM’s flip.
>71 and 72. Yep, def. town.
>Also cleared by MM spew in 78
>120 “This feels like TvT” good post
>139calls out marshmellow, def. town
>calls out marsh again
>155 absolutely, 100%, lock town

6. Ejjinami-
>towny ideals on Hypoing.
>He hits me with a Town Tsunami in 63, even if he was wrong on MM. He saw what I did with MM/AP, and brought up a good point about sando
>143 makes ejji likely town but not strong enough
>144-147 absolute mindmeld. Towny read

7. Not_Mafia=ahhh naked votes :/ I don’t like his vote on CJ tbh
>voted MM, towny

8. Eragon1329-
>i cant say anything because its my slot but I feel I’m spewed town from MM voting my slot for activity

9. Sando-
>not doing too much in the beginning of the thread to advance, just theory. >90 makes Sando quite towny but not enough to merit a strong town.
>176whats with this? It feels slightly off to me



10. ManateeDude-
>asking about hypoing is towny IME.
>Voted MM, and 106is odd but I feel it comes from town!manatee’s perspective.
>Votes Ceejay b/c the 180, which pinged me as well, but remember, CJ had otter as a SR too.
>186 feels towny and mind melding



11. LuckyOtter-
>im not sure what to think about his gut vote on AP, but certainly isn’t a scum tell.
>Towny vote on MM.
>Excuses for being inactive, and shades shizune for being inactive too.
>117 is pretty good as well, but a couple things pinged me.
Mainly “I have other reasons for calling out shizune that will be apparent shortly.“ I dont see how this could work, Ima have to read this.
>119 gets a bit defensive, but I wouldn’t say too much. I really really don’t like the OMGUS though
>129 spews both Lucky and Unreal town
>152 I really like this post and these reads and the vote on MM

12. shizune

notes:
>I dont like all the talk about crumbing, because it just gives mafia and SK targets to kill. BTW. I hard claim Gun Smithilante blocker.
>thanks for making the game EZ MM
>when I saw “Spews town” I mean, spews not mafia, could still be SK
>i honestly feel MM’s wagon was not bussed by fellow mafia. Could be sk there tho.

[Eragon]

oh, I never said hello


hello and happy eater-huntings


also good job D1, though it was kinda obvious

[Eragon]

Towncore
—Eragon
—AP
—Ejjinami

Town Lean
-LuckyOtter
-Sando
-ManateeDude
-UnRealSeal

Null
-okadoka
-Not_Mafia

Neutral null(less not-read and more I could go either way so convince me)

-Ceejay

[Eragon]

god fucking dammit.

i leave for a few hours and stupid shit happens.

i'd bet money this flips town.

would Scumbuddy!UnrealSeal make this post after hammer?

[Eragon]

thats literally the only reason I don't want to Lynch unreal as maf buddy(ok maybe a few but thats the main thing)

[Eragon]

Towncore
—Eragon
—AP
—Ejjinami

Town Lean
-LuckyOtter
-Sando
-ManateeDude
-UnRealSeal

Null
-okadoka
-Not_Mafia

Neutral null(less not-read and more I could go either way so convince me)

-Ceejay

why do u only have town reads and null reads and no scum reads

because they were based of MM's spew

[Eragon]

about 8 games on ToS forums and 2-3 on Mafia universe.

[Eragon]

(as I said in my note, when I said spewed town I meant spewed non-mafia, but I'm too lazy to write the extra letters)

[Eragon]

@manatee why am I already towncore?

and why is ejji likely scum?

[Eragon]

are u not worried that you have so many townreads and so little scumreads

nope, we have time for this to settle out, I am fairly confident in mafia being in my null brackets or possible in my town lean

[Eragon]

2)lol

[Eragon]

Hypoclaiming is to allow you to give results as a PR without giving away your PR status

Except if you clear any of the 3 anti-town players you are telling one or two of them you're not the Cop.

But there's this little thing I want to note right now: There is NO COP! It's a GUNSMITH. This means our investigative can return up to 4 guilties, but one of them is fake (the Vig will return a positive result as well as the Mafia/SK).

I also saw someone mentioning a Roleblocker, and I really hope that was a typo. Otherwise I'd assume someone's playing the game without knowing the setup or mechanics, which would really suck.

Wow. ++++++scumpoints for trying to confuse people, seriously... like, it's not funny enough to be a shitpost, and it's false. VOTE: ap

@AP I don't see MM using this tone for distancing against a buddy.
I could be wrong, but I highly, highly doubt it

[Eragon]

wait ur towncoring eragon cuz meta?
what meta do u have prior experience with him what

most of my games on ToS

[Eragon]

my scum game looks like shit, let me tell you that much

last time I was scum I was lynched D1

[Eragon]

thats not meta.

thats fact

[Eragon]

I can show you my most recent town game and scum game

[Eragon]

(yep. and I'm annoyed lol)

[Eragon]

ill take a peek

[Eragon]

mafia doesn't have a day chat right?

[Eragon]

ok thank you

cuz I saw that too, and was kinda confused

[Eragon]

does anyone else find it odd that Sando voted the only person V/LA and is calling them flat out SK?

[Eragon]

does anyone else find it odd that Sando voted the only person V/LA and is calling them flat out SK?

dont think vla matters
but sk matters i think?

uhh it matters that they are inactive and an easy push/mis-lynch.

What could be a possibility is Scum!Sando who attacked SK!Ejji and is trying to get Ejji lynched before they come back

or another possibility


did something spicy happen last night Sando?

[Eragon]

why was Ceejay conf. town?

[Eragon]

so you think that the post I quoted from Seal was a deliberate town cred grab?

[Eragon]

why was Ceejay conf. town?

CJ's push on MM was so far outside of scum meta as to be pretty much conf-town. The vote on MM was pure scum-CJ though, slide in with no read, hence by EOD I was pretty up in the air on CJ. With the flip, the slide in clearly wasn't a scum move, CJ won't do that on a partner, leaving only SK or town as a possibility, I don't think he's SK.

the only thing I saw him mention MM specifically was 174
I didn't see much of a push

[Eragon]

ok

[Eragon]

:think:

so either way it results in him being scum?

[Eragon]

why was Ceejay conf. town?

CJ's push on MM was so far outside of scum meta as to be pretty much conf-town. The vote on MM was pure scum-CJ though, slide in with no read, hence by EOD I was pretty up in the air on CJ. With the flip, the slide in clearly wasn't a scum move, CJ won't do that on a partner, leaving only SK or town as a possibility, I don't think he's SK.

the only thing I saw him mention MM specifically was 174
I didn't see much of a push

Apologies, meant Otter.
The push on Otter was townie as all getout
The vote on MM was scummie due to exactly what you just said, he barely mentions MM and slips in late.

the funny thing is I just finished a game where something like this happened, and I pushed the person who slipped onto scum wagon at the end, and he flipped scum.

would it be too much to hope for twice?

[Eragon]

Ive only been scum twice lol.

and one was a late game replace into VFM(small amount of PR's)
and the other I was lynched D1

so ye im not very experienced with Forum scum

[Eragon]

the funny thing is I just finished a game where something like this happened, and I pushed the person who slipped onto scum wagon at the end, and he flipped scum.

would it be too much to hope for twice?

Same game CJ and Otter were discussing earlier in the game had CJ scum completely ignore opportunities where he "should" have bussed. I don't see a game where his 1 partner is about to die D1 as the time CJ chooses to drastically change his playstyle like that.

ok

[Eragon]

:think:

so either way it results in him being scum?

About seal's EoD after hammer.

[Eragon]

ok

[Eragon]

4. UnrealSeal-
>108defends MM by saying they are noob town for hopping votes. Shades otter’s response and vote and then votes otter. I find this post wolfy
>112 I dont see the point of this at all
>114 blatant wolfy misrep saying otter posted directly after 101, otter posted at 105
>not a huge fan of 118, and I don’t like the stuff about Not_Mafia, seems a bit TMI tbh.
>129 spews both Lucky and Unreal town
>204 wtf is this post?? Betting money MM flips town. My question is, does scum make that post post-hammer

this is my stuff on Seal. and ignore the part about spewing both of them town(129) I was tired and it was a shit call.

I think it actually makes one of them scum.

so really I havent seen much towny stuff from them...

[Eragon]

I also need to go to sleep.

goodnight

[Eragon]

Lol A.P. and I are mindmelding on targets...

I will respond to everything when I’m off mobile, I’m getting on a plane in 15 minutes

[Eragon]

Welcome, replacements. Oka, stop PR hunting.

Eragon:
1. Seal's EOD post is NAI to me, if you want my opinion.
2. Why is Sando's 176 off-putting to you?
3. What is the point of including Blackstar in your reads?
4. MM voting your slot for inactivity is completely NAI for your slot. MM's vote was just to appear to be towny by getting people to talk. It could also have been an attempt to distance, or to say hey buddy wanna help me out here? It definitely doesn't clear you.
5. The suggestion that Sando is trying to get ejj lynched before he gets back from VLA is ludicrous
6. Your stance on me has changed from your initial post to 300. You had a pretty waffly read on me that seemed to conclude with me being town, and now you've not seen "much towny stuff" from me. Can you clarify/elaborate?

1.if you say so
2.ill answer that in my next post
3.because I didn't edit it out
4.ill explain it
5. ye tbh :/
6.im not talking about you. I'm talking about Seal

[Eragon]

Ye, them was a bit ambiguous lol.


But like, I say, I saw then(unreal) visit black star.
So them is a pronoun I refer to one person sometimes.

It was just a bad choice of words.

I’m still super busy but I know o will have time in about 6 jord to fully catchup and answer anything

[Eragon]

@seal

176

To me, this seems like a bunch of unnecessary shade and (bias incoming) confusing me a lot. I’m not sure what that whole post was really about, but it seems like “Oh I understand this is and I’m trying to make it clearer so that it seems like I’m being pro-town by clearing things up”
When I didn’t really
Understand it
It was just a restatement of Ceejay’s post

VOTE: Mathdino I want more from you. You've been staying out of the discussion, as if you didn't want to commit. I think you're fairly experienced and all, so please step in and contribute.

It doesn’t 100% spew me as not mafia(im not) but this post seems like MM was going for towncred acting like they were trying to get inactive people posting. Plus idk whether or not mafia have daychat(regular donner’s party yes, this one says no one has daychat) but if they do have day chat this post would never happen to a partner in thread

[Eragon]

4. UnrealSeal-
>108defends MM by saying they are noob town for hopping votes. Shades otter’s response and vote and then votes otter. I find this post wolfy
>112 I dont see the point of this at all
>114 blatant wolfy misrep saying otter posted directly after 101, otter posted at 105
>not a huge fan of 118, and I don’t like the stuff about Not_Mafia, seems a bit TMI tbh.
>129 spews both Lucky and Unreal town
>204 wtf is this post?? Betting money MM flips town. My question is, does scum make that post post-hammer

this is my stuff on Seal. and ignore the part about spewing both of them town(129) I was tired and it was a shit call.

I think it actually makes one of them scum.

so really I havent seen much towny stuff from them...

explanation for Seal

>you defended MM by saying they are noob town
>why post "people don't have reading comprehension" when it was an honest mis-understanding?
>yep that was my tired zombie side, sorry

>

Yes, people play differently from game to game but that doesn't mean previous experience with that player is worthless. If there are large discrepancies in play between games, it's worth prodding into.

Note, I said it was genuine for Not_Mafia. If it was anybody else people would be calling it out but it's fucking Not_Mafia. A naked vote from him means he's scum-reading somebody and I fully expect him to start shitposting "please lynch X" as the day goes on. He's sorted easily is what I mean.

Your 82 on the other hand reads like scum trying to pounce a weak town player, and not a genuine scumlean/scumread

well I havent played with N_M before so I can't really say anything, but I don't see why he is super-towny from meta alone

also "I fully expect him to start shitposting "please Lynch X" as day goes on"

what happened here? he didn't do this, so does that mean he doesn't fit town meta?

>yep I corrected myself there. it actually seems like it makes one of you scum because MM was like
"I think they are both town too" and it seems like a good way to try to get a buddy townread

>explained already, this was just a terrible post based on outcome

[Eragon]

@seal

176

To me, this seems like a bunch of unnecessary shade and (bias incoming) confusing me a lot. I’m not sure what that whole post was really about, but it seems like “Oh I understand this is and I’m trying to make it clearer so that it seems like I’m being pro-town by clearing things up”
When I didn’t really
Understand it
It was just a restatement of Ceejay’s post

VOTE: Mathdino I want more from you. You've been staying out of the discussion, as if you didn't want to commit. I think you're fairly experienced and all, so please step in and contribute.

It doesn’t 100% spew me as not mafia(im not) but this post seems like MM was going for towncred acting like they were trying to get inactive people posting. Plus idk whether or not mafia have daychat(regular donner’s party yes, this one says no one has daychat) but if they do have day chat this post would never happen to a partner in thread

meant for otter, sorry

[Eragon]

I would gladly volunteer to be a RB target if thats a way to help town

[Eragon]

honestly I'm loving all the wagons right now

Im still iffy on ejji and I'm leaning town on them,
and N_M is meta idk about

the other three all have good choices

[Eragon]

I’m just waiting for a vote count

[Eragon]

VOTE: UnrealSeal

greatest scum equity in my PoV, followed by oka.

this puts him at L-2, thats why I was waiting for VC to make sure I didn't put him in hammer range.

[Eragon]

it all depends on which one he thinks he can push.

if he doesn't have a good case on you then he wouldn't try to push you, but if he thinks he can convince people to vote AP then he would vote AP.

it just depends on which one he feels more confident in, so I see it as NAI in itself

[Eragon]

UNVOTE: Unreal

L-2 is close enough for now


My vote is still on in spirit

[Eragon]

I don't like the fact we have just spent 1-2 pages solely discussing N_M and his meta, and the activity is kinda low(yes I am a culprit of this as well)

[Eragon]

I’ve never played with NM before so I can’t contribute to that

[Eragon]

No based on what people said

[Eragon]

and yet you accuse me of not having many scum reads?

[Eragon]

*GASP*

[Eragon]

newbie game Oka?


also is there an accurate VC so I know if I can safely place my vote

[Eragon]

welp...

I was going to vote unreal but then saw he was at L-2.


so nope, no votes for me rn

[Eragon]

but i think the reason why all these wagons suck is we have been overlooking some solid town players that are actually scum.

maybe we won't be able to do this today but I want someone to see if AP and Eragon and ManateeDude can stand up to some harsh lines of questioning .

AMA

[Eragon]

The Asgardian gods.

Because there is only one Tyr that o know of and that’s the Aesir god

[Eragon]

VOTE: Sando

Counter wagon for AP’s choice

Both of these lynches I am fine with

[Eragon]

Not mafiajas revealed as double voting innocent child

[Eragon]

good luck tonight

im checking unreal to see if he has killing results

[Eragon]

or ill check Oka


if I die one of them is scum based on WIFOM

[Eragon]

also AP is town for if I die

[Eragon]

i hope ya know that i was gambitting hoping SK would kill me

[Eragon]

Vanilla

[Eragon]

VOTE: Skygazer

heres what happened

mafia hit SK N1

Sando was mafia

he called out Ejji has SK specifically

Sky will flip SK

Fixed the vote.
-Kor

[Eragon]

that was D1


D2 he called Ejji SK specifically

[Eragon]

ty

[Eragon]

hes trying to push the SK w/out being too obvious

[Eragon]

I have a bait that I’m holding that I hope someone possible will fall for :3

[Eragon]

No you didn’t

[Eragon]

eragon are u hoping someone asks u how did you know you were only gambitting for sk to kill you?

Wut?

I literally claimed gunsmith after hammer hoping SK killed a vanilla

[Eragon]

Also gnight

[Eragon]

GG TOWN

[Eragon]

nice job!

[Eragon]

honestly im just glad i remembered Sando's post calling ejji SK :3