Open 729 - Cul de Sac!

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VOTE: Mathdino

I also thought this game would have no game thread when i read the setup lol

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Neighbor is not really a power btw. This setup is basically VT's vs. Goons

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i think people underestimate how much higher EV PTs are for scum than town

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I don't think it is the collapse version of this set up:(

what do you mean?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Cul-de-sac

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ok

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There's nothing town ought to talk about in a PT with a random person that wouldnt be better discussed in the open thread

PT's sure are useful for manipulating noobs though

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Well since I'm next to my scum partner anyway we just use it for daytalk

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the idea that town should just say everything they're thinking all the time as honestly as possible

can you point me to where I said this, I can't seem to find it

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but none of that matters
do you have reads beyond "fuck PTs"

my vote is currently on the scummiest person in this game

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there's a lot of stuff that i don't like to say in the main thread that i would use a PT for

could you give a concrete example? I'm curious why you wouldn't just keep that thng to yourself. You don't know your thread partner is town

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or do you?

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come back when you have sincere lines of questioning

"there's lots of stuff I'd want to discuss in private"

"er, like what"

"uh shut up, that's an insincere question"

lmao ok buddy

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But you're not self voting?

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Math since you asked, my other neighbor is Scioness Sajj

Who is yours

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I'm surprised that "Town is better off having discussions in the open thread" is such a controversial opinion. I thought this was common sense? I've asked repeatedly what sort of discussions people want to have in private and nobody can give me an example of one?

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Tell me in the open thread then everyone gets to find out

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First of it can be used to scumhunt your neighbour, sometimes more easy than in here.

You're saying this from experience? A specific game or example? Because in my experience this is nonsense. People are way more likely to say alignment indicative things in the pressure of the open thread

Second if you townread someone it is great to have someone to excance thoughts

Except they still might be scum, despite your best thoughts. And even if they're town, that private discussion is selfish because it gives us less content in the main thread with which to sort YOU. And maybe your ideas are good and useful for the town to hear anyway

Like I understand why you might personally have these reasons to want to talk privately, but that doesn't mean it's good strategy, especially from the perspective that this is a team game and we're trying to solve the game

together

I can be storred last thoughts to get across to town in the night

This is valid but only at night

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Looking at you neighbor and saying " let me scumhunt this guy on my own" is such suboptimal play. He can say something that you think nothing of, but if the wider thread had seen it someone might have caught something about it that you didn't. Town is ALWAYS better off statistically when we're working together

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VOTE: Invisibility

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by the way, nice to see you again wavemode!

eyyyy whaddup

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why are people townreading invisibility

or am i making that up in my head

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right now i would color the game like

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mutantdevle

StefanB

BuJaber

Unreal Seal

UglyDuck
northsidegal
wingedcatgirl
Scioness Sajj
ArcAngel9

Myloninja13

Mathdino

Invisibility

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can you be more specific about what you feel is "100% opposite of the play style" scioness used in the past

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she had more than twice as many posts in the main thread as the scum thread but ok

UnrealSeal (Skummy) - ...snip... Oh also, the peace out RVS post really rubbed me the wrong way.

what post are you referring to here and why did it rub you the wrong way

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No she didn’t?

89 posts main thread

40 posts mafia thread

?

also, I second seal's confusion, what are referring to, where did he say that

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better ducks than pokemon

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recoloring

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mutantdevle

BuJaber

StefanB

Unreal Seal

northsidegal
wingedcatgirl
Scioness Sajj
ArcAngel9
Mathdino

Myloninja13

UglyDuck

Invisibility

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actually I would strongly favor an UglyDuck wagon at this point

VOTE: UglyDuck

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Wave: if I misssd it I'm sorry but reiterating it is helpful anyway. Any reason why you feel so strongly about an Uglyduck wagon?

well the reason I think he's scum is that his catch up post is mostly game narration and large swathes of it sound manufactured. person A is towny because they're "talking", person B is towny because they're "interacting", fluff like that. as we've seen, the few possibly worthwhile points he made in his post turned out to be bullshit. he treads super light with his scumlean on mylo in a way that makes him seem pointlessly nervous ("obv not super solid on that though" - er, yes it IS obvious that your read is gut, so why make it a point to reiterate this). combine this with the fact that most of the post is townreads and it sounds like someone trying to fly under the radar and not step on people's toes. overall it was a long post dressed up to look like game analysis but was actually mostly meaningless. players like this flip scum most of the time

but to answer your question, the reason I feel *strongly* about his lynch is on policy. he spells scummy with a K

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i had thought this game had stalled

but really, pages 10 and 11 were highly enlightening

i after rereading the game i would recolor it like

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BuJaber

StefanB

northsidegal

ArcAngel9

wingedcatgirl

Scioness Sajj

Mathdino
Myloninja13

Unreal Seal

Invisibility

UglyDuck

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weak lean but i think the town mindset in 243 and 244 is there

particularly wouldn't really expect the neighborhood report in 243 from scum at this stage

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are you forgetting that stefan flaked on the game, like, a long time ago

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walk back for me how he is caught scum?

because he told sajj that you're his neighbor?

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that was his last message to me, posted around the time of his last message in the thread.

this was exactly my assumption, which is why i said what i said

im not sure why bujaber is suddenly assuming otherwise

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can people who are not willing to lynch uglyduck today explain why in detail

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what, mutant is replacing out?

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that wasn't really the crux of my post about him

but if you don't see it then fine

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er, correction, putting someone at L-1 is not what scum would naturally do in your situation. scum who are voting late are usually far more inclined to avoid being on the major wagons unless deadline is looming

just saying

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hardly

but I townread buj so whatever

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but they are my strongest townreads next to NSG and i would be fairly upset if you lynched them anyway

you've never been wrong about a townread?

what special right do you have to tell us not to lynch someone we believe is scum

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if you can show me that your scumread accuracy is significant enough to trust your tells (or that you can read specific players well) i'll defer to you

not what i asked. townreads tend to be correct. there's a lot of town and few scum

what i asked is why you don't believe it possible for you to be wrong. because of meta? what is so different here from uglyduck's typical scum game, in your opinion?

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now if you're asking about uglyduck in particular
there's a certain... cadence to his scumplay
he gets combative, he acts like he has something to prove and like he wants to appear like he's present and doing things

if you think uglyduck hasn't been doing those things this game then i suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. strongly.

but regardless of that, your words were, "but they are my strongest townreads and i would be fairly upset if you lynched them anyway"

we're not running close to deadline and this isn't just a "welp fuck it" lynch. we genuinely believe uglyduck is scum. it shouldn't be upsetting to you for us to lynch someone who, realistically, if kept alive, will have a wagon on them every game day, since such a large number of players scumread them. it should be worthwhile to lynch them to help us sort the game and get rid of them before lylo. so why do you consider uglyduck to be so valuable? do you actually consider it to be a bad lynch from a strategic perspective? and if so why?

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go meta uglyduck

implying i haven't

you're basically asking me why i'm not just going along with whatever other people's reads are

implying i ever asked you to vote uglyduck

he's not some anti-town fuck, there's nothing policy lynchable about him and he's producing more content than half the playerlist

implying our lynch of uglyduck is on policy


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lmao

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and here i thought this game would be boring

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Still waiting for a reason not to lynch AA9

because uglyduck is a better lynch

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Awoo if you're townreading me you should be townreading UglyDuck by extension

it continues to baffle me that an experienced player can make statements like this in good faith

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Like you seem like the kind of person that lynches people that I say are town being like "math you can't possibly have good reason to think UglyDuck is town"
And then blames the mislynch on the lynchee instead of taking responsibility for your reads

If I'm right, this is gonna be a long game

If someone is in my top 3 town, people lynching them have no knowledge of my reads accuracy

the kind of player i am is realistic. i think you do have okay reasons to townread uglyduck, i just disagree with them. and even if i did agree with them, i still wouldn't consider them actionable since meta can be very easily manipulated, both purposefully when you know you're playing with people who have seen your scumgame before, and incidentally by getting better at the game of mafia and by random life factors. i would never lock someone away as do-not-lynch purely on the basis of meta

even if i were doing a meta-analysis of uglyduck, what i see is a player who is capable. as scum he knows how to make himself seem like the victim. he knows how to look involved in game strategy, and he knows how to pick apart people's arguments logically. anything i might feel like townreading him for in this game, he has faked in past scumgames. the trap i'd say he falls into (in his past scum games as well as in this game) is classic egocentrism, where pretty much every post he makes is either about himself or his own reads/observations or responding to other people's reads of him. in his town games he spends more time trying to understand other people's points, asking them to explain and elaborate on their own thoughts, on things that aren't about him.

but hey, i could be wrong. maybe he is not manipulating anything and you do indeed see things that i do not see in ugly's past games that indicate he is town. that wouldn't be anyone's fault but my own. but surely you understand my perspective. i've lynched dozens of scum who very good players have sworn to me were town. so forgive me if my skepticism of your certainty comes off as condescension.

in addition, you must also understand that whichever lynch you redirect people to from uglyduck could be, as you yourself said, hilariously wrong. besides that, with only 5 days left in day 1, if the uglyduck wagon were to dissolve at this point we could easily be looking at an 11th hour compromise lynch on whichever player just happens to have low game presence at that moment. at least with uglyduck we are lynching someone with significant player interaction we can analyze, and someone whom a large number of players genuinely scumread, who will thus likely be a liability in the late game (if he does happen to be town).

all of this, to summarily respond to your post as well as UglyDuck's question above, is why i strongly disagree with dissolving the uglyduck wagon at this point. he is, both in my subjective opinion as well as in terms of objective game strategy, the best lynch.

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that's confirmation bias. AA9 is a low-activity player in general. in fact it should raise eyebrows if she were to suddenly become super active when suspicion was cast at her

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by what metric? she was in the thread for maybe an hour yesterday afternoon responding to the wagon

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again, confirmation bias. you're seeing what you want to see by drawing a comparison between two completely different players in two completely different contexts. none of this is a valid reason to derail the uglyduck wagon. i could just as easily find any player in this game and make the argument that they are playing the same as some scum i played with in the past, and therefore they are scum

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I'm policy lynching aa9 if it comes down to the wire

If she can't pay enough attention to the game to even notice who's voting who, she's not worth the effort

Fucking do something, people
UglyDuck get on scioness

can't we try to start Mutant instead? It feels like a much better spot.

you want mutant lynched purely because his wagon went away quickly?

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Scioness Sajj (5) (L-1): Mathdino, northsidegal, Awoo, wingedcatgirl, Myloninja13, Scioness

perhaps Math and NSG would like to contemplate the quality of this wagon's tail end

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this could certainly be theatrics, personally i dont know scion well enough to make that call

but i would keep in mind how demotivating it is to be mislynched when you are really putting in effort

it only ever happened to me once and i literally quit the site

so idk, just looking over everything i'm still leaning town on scion (that is to say, im null on 736, but i was already leaning town on her previously so that has not changed)

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i dont call myself a mafia expert but i do have a pretty high town winrate

something I learned over time is, the one thing you truly have control over in this game is your own play

and the only person's alignment you can ever know for sure is your own

if you're town, throwing away your life is the same as throwing away the game

do reconsider

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uglyduck, unrealseal, invisibility in order of preference

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god i just fit the stereotypical "jump off a mislynch after i started it and preemptively blame the people on it" scumstrat

since when is that a scum strat in real life

can you point to somewhere someone did that as scum so i can laugh at them

also, VOTE: unrealseal

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maybe that tell died before 2017

regardless how is unreal scummier to you than invis's naked hammer

invis's naked hammer is sort of the towniest thing he's done this game

besides that, it wasn't a hammer and we definitely should still be looking to form a new wagon

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well we have three in favor of invisibility, are there any more

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well actually we have five willing to vote invisibility and four willing to vote unrealseal

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i've never seen a town so eager to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

actually that's not true, but still

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VOTE: AA9
Seems incapable of being in sync with the game

I cant argue with the people who already built their own perception about me Math

I will let my flip speak to you!

AA9 if you're town get a hold of yourself and tell us the list of people you're willing to lynch today

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UglyDuck on the slight chance you're town, i pose the same question to you

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what would he gain from that lmao

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A lynch

can't tell if you're trolling

the entire game was polled, and fewer than 7 people are willing to vote uglyduck right now

him joining the scioness wagon would be like jumping into a fire right after escaping the frying pan

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it doesn't matter

i know i'm not going to convince you of this but it really doesn't. it'd still be an awful move from his perspective, especially after taking a stance earlier that scioness is town, and also especially if his partner is already on the wagon

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boom 5 for seal. we need 2 more

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for the record we have 6 willing to vote invisibility and 6 for seal

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for invis i recorded me, awoo, math, nsg, mutant, bujaber

for seal i've recorded me, awoo, math, nsg, mutant, WCG

scion and uglyduck and seal are vague about their preferences

invis is vague about everything

yet to hear from aa9 and mylon

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VOTE: unrealseal

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VOTE: unrealseal

what did nsg say in her PTs

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VOTE: uglyduck

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contrary to what the broader thread may think, the issue with you is not that you defend yourself

the issue is that *when* you defend yourself, you ignore the substantive issues and poke at pointless nonsense

like, your constantly spouting "there is no case here" when i and others have made many valid points against you that you've outright ignored, is the scummiest thing about you at the moment

if the wagon is going to get derailed it will be because of your white knight dino, not for lack of a good case

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My entire wagon was brought on because 2 people disagreed with one post i made like 4 pages into the game

false.

you are scummy because of your entrance as i note in 228

you are scummy because you coasted hard through the tail end of day 1, pretty much doing your damndest to stay off of any wagon or commit to any opinion

people's main defense of you is meta but

YOU ARE EVEN SCUMMY ON META

as i note in 581

and your play today is still scummy in that you heavily downplay and handwave any suspicion rather than accepting that there are, in fact, many valid cases against you. written above is just mine; there's plenty that others can reference as well

im not here asking you to give me answers or show me you're town or anything like that, im here asking you to die

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i would color the game like

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mutantdevle

BuJaber

Awoo

Scioness Sajj

Myloninja13

Lavos

ArcAngel9

Mathdino

Unreal Seal

UglyDuck

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i hardclaim doublevoter

intent to hammer

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Having cold feet on aa9 tbh

just curious but why

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if that isn't opportunistic idk what is lol

i mean, this is nothing new. has uglyduck made any scumreads this game that didn't just reflect general consensus at the time. i cant think of a single instance

at least seal is going against the grain by pushing dino, who most people are saying is town

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what even is your "posting style"

i thought you were just posting normally

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when Mulch replaces into a game the page count immediately goes up by 2 or 3

i'd say you're fine

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I don't believe his pt behavior is within his scumrange

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season 3 of better caul saul

hoooly fucking shit

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Been preparing to travel to Minnesota. I'll get to this tomorrow.

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People who have strong reads should start pushing and casing them.

start pushing and casing them.

start

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there's really no rational reason not to lynch uglyduck today

but i could potentially go aa9 or seal

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Mathdino asked him outright who his other neighbor was and Duck refused?

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yeah where is wavemode. lazy fuck

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Toranga is AA9, right?

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ok VOTE: toranga better wagon than awoo

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VOTE: UglyDuck

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awoo sometimes you strike me as though you're actively trying to get me to scumread you

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yes, sadly I am...

yeah you play like Transcend when he's town...

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awoo

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scumteam is Lavos/UglyDuck btw

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gonna sheep math on uglyduck, presumably they have meta experience if he's calling UD 100% town so

Jumps on seal wagon, moves to uglyduck really quick, and then totally casts aside unrealseal as a wagon despite US being his #1 scumread earlier apparently. Like I can understand town jumping on the UD wagon if they want info from it or whatever, that's ok, but what I don't understand is how he's suddenly making this dichotomy between mutant or uglyduck when neither of them were in his top 3 scumreads earlier. to me this seems like they are partners and this is an abandoned bus,

On my phone rn but lavos's rhetoric around duck and flip-flopping of opinion is a scumclaim, frankly, if duck flips scum

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scumteam is Lavos/UglyDuck btw

you think awoo is town? :/

Yes I've been townreading awoo for a while. I don't see the scum motivation in how he's approached this game

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A FUCKING WOO

you're at L-1

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VOTE: UglyDuck

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stop drinking the wine and vote duck

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he has talked about it, he always just says it's gut

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no

i was just correcting you, he has indeed talked about it

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if you were curious, i colored you green because of 143

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I wrote better walls than that in my first newbie game as scum lmao

And unlike UD I actually made good points

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UD is not bad at playing scum though

I'm literally flipping back through his past games as we speak, as I have been doing since early day 1, and he makes exactly these same kinds of walls and arguments that are meant to sound logical

You tell a player like this he's the next lynch and give him 48 hours to come up with something and, well here you have it. A drawn-out speech that essentially

A. ignores that the Math/Almost50 slot has literally been his main protection this whole game
B. brushes off the fact that there is now one fewer person to vote duck today, Bujaber. If scum!someone wanted town!uglyduck to die today they would clearly leave bujaber alive

And as for A and B, it's nonsense that we're having to listen to and debate these completely WIFOM arguments in the first place! He's making them mainly because he has literally no footing to claim he has been useful to the town this game. he's done almost nothing each and every day phase. (In fact, he's been in the game since the very beginning, yet even compared to people who replaced in he has fewer posts than everybody currently alive)

C. moves me down from where he previously townread me to now null, for no discernible reason
D. attacks toranaga mainly on the basis that he replaced into the Mathdino slot (even though he didn't) and that his reads just follow consensus (even though they don't)

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UD still scum

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VOTE: Lavos

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LYNCHPOOLS, PEOPLE, POST YOUR LYNCHPOOLS

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hence your name?

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anybody who's claiming dino was scum for using a lame excuse to townread duck, should read how Lavos had an even lamer excuse for it:

gonna sheep math on uglyduck, presumably they have meta experience if he's calling UD 100% town so

If Occam were here his Razor would be slitting lavos's throat right now

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a50/scioness

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i feel like we already went through this

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I would think that if scum wanted to defend their partner they'd do it with a bit more vigor

I would think if scum wanted to defend their partner they'd do it as vague and hands-off as possible so they can flip around their opinion about it later, which Lavos did. In fact Lavos didn't ever really comment on how UglyDuck was playing at all, but discussed the other players plenty.

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lol

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Lavos... please be scum

Like, if you're town and you think that case makes the slightest bit of sense... I weep for you

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By the way, go read Open 694 or pervect LUV Mafia or Literally Mafia or Large 207 if you think I don't regularly catch scum on day 1

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In fact, the case I made on azeru when I replaced into Literally Mafia is almost the same as the case I made here against UglyDuck. Noobscum tend to have the same bad habits

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In fact, the case I made on azeru when I replaced into Literally Mafia is almost the same as the case I made here against UglyDuck. Noobscum tend to have the same bad habits

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And the case I made against Game burger in open 694 was also similar, iirc

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not really wanting to make a big case but what i see in this is that his progression on uglyduck isn't really realistic. the part where he sorts the guy isn't really there; instead it's like he knows the guy is scum from the start. for example bujaber's push wasn't constant; he seeks scumhunting activity elsewhere regularly and later sets up a Tor/lavos lynchpool as uglyduck takes a backseat. these kinds of fluid reads are things that often come from town.

This paragraph is almost a scumclaim, essentially. How can you read uglyduck's interactions with me and unrealseal and not see how inherently scummy they were? In fact, ALMOST EVERYONE agreed! UglyDuck was going to be the day one lynch, and literally the only reason he wasn't was Mathdino. And that wasn't even based on in-thread interactions, but on their private thread!

Like, my question to you would be, what should have been the turning point? Point me to the day 1 post of UglyDuck that should have remotely given me a sense that he was actually town. Go ahead and try to find one. Hint: you won't, because he did exactly nothing day 1 besides defend himself. So where is this even coming from with you?

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also,

THE PROGRESSION WASN'T THERE ??

now I know for certain that you really did not read my conversation with UglyDuck on day 1

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right now i would color the game like

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mutantdevle

StefanB

BuJaber

Unreal Seal

UglyDuck
northsidegal
wingedcatgirl
Scioness Sajj
ArcAngel9

Myloninja13

Mathdino

Invisibility

Okie dokie catch up done:

ArcAngel (Null) - Same boat as myself, no content yet.

BuJaber (Towny) - Talking, pushing the game with questions.

Invisibility (Towny) - Interacting, and the only opinion really has been on the "how to use the Neighbor thread" and I agree with what they said.

Mathdino (Towny) - Only played with Town!Math so far, and this feels the same as the other games. Opening with the Neighbor claim also just seems like something there would be no reason to do as Skum.

Mutant (Towny) - I find the opening bits they put in about game set up and how to use the PTs to be towny. There was one post that said something like "I don't see how it helps skum, but nor how it helps town" that I really liked. As Math pushed him through the day so far I thought they have done a good job at answering and defending so far so yeah town.

Mylo (Skummy) - Honestly just a gut feeling thing more than anything. Hasn't really had an opinion or anything so far, but has somehow posted quite a bit. Feels off, obv not super solid on that though.

NSG (Null) - Asks a lot of questions and like openly and lightly has been ignoring certain things not seeming to care. I don't know what that means, so null sauce for now.

Scioness (Towny) - Just seems helpful at this point. Answering and asking questions, not flooding with fluff, alsooooo I should mention the only other game I played with them they were my Skum Mate and this is like 100% opposite of the play style they used in that game.

StephanB (Towny) - Thoughts and responses regarding claiming of neighbors and how to use the PTs is just both from a straight up Town perspective. Answers all questions directed their way, all of which I get no paranoia from.

UnrealSeal (Skummy) - Just a few posts, but the first one is sarcastic disagreement with Math's "2v11 we are all doomed" post, but also finds Math towny for it. And then the very next post is them agreeing with Math that "Town plays shitty, and using the hoods to try and work together is a horrible idea". Not to be whatever, but it came off to me almost like "sheeping Math's ideas" if that makes sense? As Math is gonna come up with a lot of ideas, being on the bandwagon early is probably advantageous from a skum perspective (speaking from experience on that one, bc the alternative sure as shit doesn't work). Oh also, the peace out RVS post really rubbed me the wrong way.

WaveMode (Null?) - This is my idfk person right now. Like, everything they say is a disagreement with someone else - but I can't decide if that is skummy or towny. They also clearly have a strong opinion on open thread vs using the PTs - the opinions seem skummy, but the way they are presented seem like they come from a town mind. The thing that drops it into Null from Towny for me is posts like #101 - we can still work together and use the PTs, which I am fairly certain most people are aware would be the gameplan. Black and white mindsets strike me as skummy most the time, town tends to find that paranoid/grey area more often then not.

WingedCatGirl (Null) - No content other then hello post.


OK that is just summary, but I have read up and should be around

Also VOTE: UnrealSeal

can you be more specific about what you feel is "100% opposite of the play style" scioness used in the past

can you be more specific about what you feel is "100% opposite of the play style" scioness used in the past

Scioness was active in skum pt to an extent and non wxistent in main thread.

she had more than twice as many posts in the main thread as the scum thread but ok

UnrealSeal (Skummy) - ...snip... Oh also, the peace out RVS post really rubbed me the wrong way.

what post are you referring to here and why did it rub you the wrong way

she had more than twice as many posts in the main thread as the scum thread but ok

UnrealSeal (Skummy) - ...snip... Oh also, the peace out RVS post really rubbed me the wrong way.

what post are you referring to here and why did it rub you the wrong way

No she didn’t?

And the fact that anyone tries to back out or absolve themselves of the RVS stage i find skummy. I mean i hate RVS but to just openly say i am not going to do it seems anti Town.

wait when did I say I was backing out of RVS.

i'm actually confused by this.

No she didn’t?

89 posts main thread

40 posts mafia thread

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also, I second seal's confusion, what are referring to, where did he say that

wait when did I say I was backing out of RVS.

i'm actually confused by this.

hard to read currently, most peoples post currently is RVS silliness and i'm bad at reading in general. call me again when I can deathtunnel someone

I like StefanB's posting though, I think he's town.

I assume you refer to the "call me again when I can deathtunnel" which was in fact a joke my dude.

you are also ignoring the two other posts before that in which I participated in RVS

I assume you refer to the "call me again when I can deathtunnel" which was in fact a joke my dude.

you are also ignoring the two other posts before that in which I participated in RVS

Not ignoring just highlighting this one - and as we have never played together Idk why you would expect me to know that was a joke.

Not ignoring just highlighting this one

Isn't your point that they avoided RVS though? So you'd have to be ignoring those posts to make this point or you know your point is wrong.

I don't get why that's so bad anyway though :3

Which is a fair opinion - i stated i find it skummy, doesn’t mean you have to findnit skummy

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actually I would strongly favor an UglyDuck wagon at this point

VOTE: UglyDuck

Wave: if I misssd it I'm sorry but reiterating it is helpful anyway. Any reason why you feel so strongly about an Uglyduck wagon?

well the reason I think he's scum is that his catch up post is mostly game narration and large swathes of it sound manufactured. person A is towny because they're "talking", person B is towny because they're "interacting", fluff like that. as we've seen, the few possibly worthwhile points he made in his post turned out to be bullshit. he treads super light with his scumlean on mylo in a way that makes him seem pointlessly nervous ("obv not super solid on that though" - er, yes it IS obvious that your read is gut, so why make it a point to reiterate this). combine this with the fact that most of the post is townreads and it sounds like someone trying to fly under the radar and not step on people's toes. overall it was a long post dressed up to look like game analysis but was actually mostly meaningless. players like this flip scum most of the time

but to answer your question, the reason I feel *strongly* about his lynch is on policy. he spells scummy with a K

can you point me to where my progression was "unrealistic"? which part of my sorting "wasn't really there"?

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bujaber tried to map the cul-de-sac earlier but failed because one or more people lied about their neighbors

now even more people are dead. *potentially* someone could piece it back together by reading through the game from the beginning, but it's possible that there's no way

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i think you're both reading into nothing and talking past each other, frankly

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WE

NEED

LAVOS

VOTES

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scumteam is Lavos/UglyDuck btw

this post is the only reason i'm still alive, since town would probably look back and pay attention to it

and tor is dead, even though he was not really widely townread. maybe because, he would definitely be helping me lynch lavos today??

also, deja vu much??? just like when i was pushing uglyduck and they left me alive and killed bujaber, who would've helped me against uglyduck???? hello?????

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If there is worthwhile debate to be had, by all means have it

I'm not seeing a lot of that right now though

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TWILIGHT TWILIGHT TWILIGHT THINK FAST

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shit i get ninja'd so hard when i had a whole sherlock holmes thing for tomorrow

basically, Almost50 replaced Math on July 4, yet 7 real life days and one full game night later, uglyduck tries to bus his presumed partner on July 11 yet accidentally thinks it's toranaga? that should clear Almost50 as being Duck's partner IMO

anywho, gg everybody

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Spoiler: In case anyone thought I'm above gloating... I'm not