Labyrinth Mafia (Endgame)

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if I was scum with this I'd literally rep out

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why did you hammer so soon?

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wheme what did you do n1 what we're the results

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thx

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Shosh if you're feeling nice would you mind listing your actions

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figures

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That was still a hammer. this could be bad.

I want Rando tbh

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thanks Wis and ND39. who'd you target n2 again ND?

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rushing this shit bc i could be night killed

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Shoshin your death tonight might win town the game. just do it seriously, stop being a child please

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not how this works

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players 100 times better than you have died for players half as good as you as bodyguards. it's what your role is. >:

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refresh me on why rando is town to you wissy?

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I keep thinking about this
in a game with so many hoods could it actually be a scum/scum hood?

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what did wheme do ln?

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I need to do hood analysis too fml

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I really don't see how Wisdom is actually townreading rando over me in any rational world

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Oh Yay if I stick around long enough my only possible scum partner is Shoshin who I'm obviously not scum with

CONFTOWN STATUS COME @ ME

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Wizzy you need to talk to me. The only reason I'm considering that you could be town here is because Anka townread you from your super brief interactions. Anka was then promptly killed.

Post Coalition I don't like you here.

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That would be stupid af if we're in LyLo

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But I'm not convinced I wanna save you yet.

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just reconfirming I'm town or scum with Shoshin
:>

hi obvtown status I missed u bb

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Yo Nancy don't throw a vote down yet. Talk to me when you're on.

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Shoshin I found an off-site profile which I thinkkkkkkkk belongs to you

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I'll be remaining discreet if possible--not a fan of outing people.


NANCY HI

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NANCY PINKIE PROMISE ME YOU WONT THROW DOWN A VOTE YET?!

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VOTE: Wisdom

will explain l8r don't vote with me or I'll bite you

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I have reason to suspect that your scumrange is wider than your only onsite game suggests Shosh

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Nancy promise well talk before you vote?

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shoshin is fucking trying to twist any post anyone makes to their own means and TW is falling for it

what do you think I'm falling for?

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Gimme 24 hours? I never survive this long and if we're in LyLo I will solve the fuck outta this shit

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There's a couple of conversations we should have had before yday's lynch which didn't happen, these things happen (my first game onsite had b2b TvT lolhammers and town still ended up winning in LyLo) but it means we need to make up for lost time here

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I basically can. I was reaction testing the lowest equity scumteam left.

UNVOTE:

if there's two scum left in this game there's only 3 possible teams left:
{Wisdom, randomidget}
{Wisdom, Shoshin}
{TW, Shoshin}


so fmpov if there are two scum left Wisdom is confscum lol. but you're right, we need to solve the issue of if there's only one scum left.

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@rando what's your solve for if there's 2 scum left?

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that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me

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Apply that same logic to why you've been kept alive until LyLo tho

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No you should have bodyguarded CShep that night. I'll say this post-game too. That was the single worst decision made by anybody all game.

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I'm not gonna clutter the thread up with your ego again Shosh. Focus on solving the game.

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Okay but if you'd died there the NK order would have been pushed back and we'd potentially have a conftown + me + another obvtown in LyLo (RC/Wheme)

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@Nancy if there's 2 scum left alive, he'll push his ML on Shosh and win the game. If I were the last scum cross my heart I would have instahammered Shoshin there because no one wants her alive.

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Like from my point of view Wisdom replaced into a widely scumread slot who had been distancing from his partner (TPFKAP=>Chick) all game. realises he has to either reverse that read or bus because having absolutely no read trajectory on someone his slot has been allegedly scumreading all game is shady af. so he bussed.

this is also indicative of there being 2 scum left.

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Random, Wisdom, Wheme, Reality, the worst.

Reality glues a {Wheme, RC, TW} townbloc together
instant scum loss tbqh

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Shosh if we don't lynch you today you H A V E to die tonight. like the town win depends on it.

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I'll need to fact check that

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I'm feeling dangerous

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RC's last reads were that chainsawing thru Chickadee=>Shoshin=>Sajj wohld win the game and she didn't want to vote Chickadee

she also said rando and Wisdom were obvtown and responded in an obvtown way to her reaction test

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that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me

What is? - not that saying anything nice about you is even remotely difficult.

<3 <3
RadiantCowbells called us qt3.1415926535s

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v////v
this is so flattering yet so wrong

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@RC

how do you roll with happily ever after

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Okay but if you'd died there the NK order would have been pushed back and we'd potentially have a conftown + me + another obvtown in LyLo (RC/Wheme)

Wheme was only obvtown post Reality flip. Not sure I’m following?

that's what I mean--one of them would have flipped spewing the other probtown

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lol Nancy did you see it?

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rando you're strictly not allowed to roll scum against me again. it's breaking my heart. >:

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like srsly are you not seeing how straight up manipulative shoshin is being
they are twisting every single narrative to try and portray themselves as town

you keep talking to me like I'm town tho but you think I'm Shoshin's most likely partner

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Suggestion : we lynch Wisdom today as Shoshin's highest probability partner
if that flips green we powerlynch Shoshin as soloscum

if that flips red it's Shoshin or rando

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Who will scum kill tonight? That's an interesting question.

we are not discussing this. If you are town you need to outguess it.

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Nancy do you think there's any possibility I'm scum here?
Do you see what I see re wisdom?

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most likely remaining scum fmpov is, in order

{Shoshin}
{Wisdom, rando}
{Wisdom, Shoshin}


if it's anything other than Shoshin soloscum we are in LyLo RIGHT now and need to test for the possibility 2 scum are still remaining.

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I'd rather win in 3p by lynching Shoshin than lose in 5p to Wis/rand

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Nancy....

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please don't tunnel Shoshin. she's just annoying. (sorry Shosh but as either alignment you're aggravating Nancy and accomplishing nothing)

please have a read of my recent posts and tell me if you see what I see.

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I'd rather win in 3p by lynching Shoshin than lose in 5p to Wis/rand

We lose if we mislynch today. No way is Wisdom scum here. Why would scum!Wisdom bus Chick in LYLO? Think!

who do you think the scumteam is? we've cleared a few teams now.

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We were gonna lynch Chick Wisdom or Sajj there. Bussing Chick for the credit makes a lot of sense.

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I'd rather win in 3p by lynching Shoshin than lose in 5p to Wis/rand

We lose if we mislynch today. No way is Wisdom scum here. Why would scum!Wisdom bus Chick in LYLO? Think!

who do you think the scumteam is? we've cleared a few teams now.

Creature, Chick, Shoshin.

do you think it's impossible there's 4 scum?

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Ank is a crazy strong town player who died while hardpushing her reads which indicated wis/rand as locktown. she's liable to reconsider her reads at any time and change that stance. she was the perfect NK for scum!Wissy there.

Wheme also inherited a great tpr from her death and his reads are a lot harder to predict.

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Do you think there's a possibility there's 4 scum Nancy? if so one of myself and Wisdom HAVE to be scum.

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as long as you agree there COULD be four scum there is a dichotomy in {wisdom, tw}

one of us needs to be lynched today

if that flips green and the game continues we lynch Shoshin tomorrow (assuming she isn't town and correctly bodyguards)


agreed?

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I can probably try and case this later ig but TPFKAP Rando and Taly also stalled the d1 nolynch

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as long as you agree there COULD be four scum there is a dichotomy in {wisdom, tw}

one of us needs to be lynched today

if that flips green and the game continues we lynch Shoshin tomorrow (assuming she isn't town and correctly bodyguards)


agreed?

Nancy I need you here

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Wheme obvtowned hard yesterday and Reality vouched for his work in their pt iirc

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I can probably try and case this later ig but TPFKAP Rando and Taly also stalled the d1 nolynch

Please explain how Taly stalled D1 nolynch.

I'll go back thru it later but if memory served he was just a noise machine d1

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Regardless of whether we're in 2v3 or 1v4

Lynch Wisdom today
green flip => lynch Shosh tomorrow
red flip => lynch rando tomorrow

do you agree this probs wins the game!

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He said he's townreading me if there's 1 scum left, otherwise believes I'm scum by PoE. Yet he keeps talking to me like I'm town so if he's town he very strongly believes there's one scum left

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gladiate: wisdom

I'm risk adverse. Sorry.

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and obv
VOTE: Wisdom

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if Shoshin is scum she's almost always alone here. the fact every player on the list wants to lynch her is soloscum or town indicative. if we lynch wisdom and he's town we powerlynch her tomorrow if the game is still going.

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I agree rando is more likely to be town than Wisdom rn. also scum doc!Shoshin targeting Nico makes a lot less sense than town bg!Shoshin targeting Nico.

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gladiate: wisdom

I'm risk adverse. Sorry.

Does this mean my vote doesn’t count?

only if it's on me or Wisdom now

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if there's 4 scum, Wisdom has far higher probability of being scum than Shoshin. if there's 3 scum we'll be in 3p LyLo and can lynch Shoshin tomorrow.

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I can't take the risk of Shoshin's personality losing the game for us.

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there can't be an SK I don't think

also wrt w/w hoods
there's been like 20 hoods this game
RadiantCowbells is insane (and we love him for it)
there's a higher chance of a w/w hood in this game than any other lel

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You win when the Goblins have sent all of the Town to the oubliette or nothing can prevent this from happening.

scum wincon

town wincon confirms Maf flavour as goblins and no other factions


I'm happy to say this is 3/4v11/12

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WTF activity overview

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Nancy we can't lynch Shoshin here. If you're right I'll powerlynch her with you tomorrow, please help me out here.

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Shosh you need to settle down. This is toxic and is accomplishing nothing.

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There are ways to work through this without insulting people willy nilly

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thank you. Nancy knows what's going on, she's letting off steam.

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she owes you a pretty sincere apology (post-game) imo. there's no benefit in hurting people as either alignment.

I'm sorry if you feel like my action here is justifying what she's said. that's not my intention at all, and you know I think really highly of you.

if you think she's scum do you agree she's soloscum?

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hi wissy

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I'm about 70% with you Nancy. please just help me cure my paranoia here. if I'm right Wisdom+Rando is the team we lose by doing nothing today.

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OK but I'm like really obviously town and have been for several phases. I'm also a bit worried post Coalition that you can ever consider me scum here. What's your actual angle?

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why should I be hard TRing you?

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@Nancy, if there's actually 4 scum left here Shoshin is unfortunately just town. I want to lynch her on like a 50% policy basis as much as the next dude but she's never scum with a partner here.

if there's 2 scum left, they're wisdom and rando. probably about 30% on this possibility over solo!Shoshin

but we actually don't have to choose one possibility or the other, we can allieviate my paranoia and if I'm wrong still lynch the last scum.



pedit: oh yeah, gladiator can be a scum role. I'm just town by play here.

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Tell me one fucking reason i dont bus random and win this with closed eyes if im scum with random
Youre assuming i bussed chick anyway so?

what would you gain by bussing random here

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@the worst read my Taly wall and please tell me A) how this is scum and B) how Wisdom/random are w/w together?

Taly is very good at scum, in particular distancing. I would not call anything in that wall outside his scumrange with rando for a moment.

I'll link you the last game I played with scum!Taly if you want. Varsoon is a much weaker player when it comes to this which would explain the lurkout before he lost connection.

I don't have the time to go through and case it in detail but if you want it I have recommended reading.

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Last time I played with Taly as scum he was teamed up with Eddie Cane. they fought and argued and pushed each other so hard they were called obvious TvT and basically it was a scum sweep.

note rando really never replies to Taly and yet he didn't push it. is that town indicative?

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it's basically impossible to correctly Shoshin based on tone alone. she's always ridiculously dramatic.

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viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098

pedit: she has townmeta onsite, she's like this but to a way lesser extent. her scumgame has actually been historically more agreeable and less personal from what I've seen but she does low brow it a little on this site soooo

either way meta wise I actually don't think she has the capacity to vomit as much sheer content as she has as scum. it's possible but I'd be surprised.

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also don't intend to link off site profiles. privacy is something I feel p strongly about even if I've had some qualms with Shoshin's style this game.

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the reason I think there's a lot more team equity in wisdom/rando than wisdom/shoshin was their entrance to ?LyLo?

wis and rando feel so in sync and coordinated. you and I aren't in sync. shoshin and I are like...... 30% in sync? in that I'm either right or I'm being pocketed hard?

either way I'd just feel so weird if wisdom hardbussed chick then came into today hardbussing Shoshin as well. Everyone is so willing to lynch her. she doesn't feel like groupscum in 5p.

Either I'm wrong and she's the last scum (town!Wisdom flip => powerlynch Shoshin) or my paranoia is warranted and there's 2 scum left. If there are two scum wisdom is confirmed scum fmpov.

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unless you think I'm literally scum with Shoshin (all other partner possibilities for me are now disproven), Wisdom is the best lynch here. I'm willing to hammertest to prove Shoshin/tw is not the scumteam obviously

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but also I'm getting kinda exhausted by this game. if we can finish it before page 200 I'll be relieved.

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Wisdom and rando have both treated me like I'm town strictly UNLESS they need my lynch to get through today. +team equity by the fact they're both powering for a Shoshin lynch--i don't think Wisdom came into today expecting to need to lynch me. nothing really locks the same feeling in for rando but I hope you get what I mean

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do you get what I mean about the possibility of two scum remaining? @ND39

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I did say that, yeah.

I think you know I'm town here. I hope Wisdom is town but I can't bring myself to risk losing by not considering a distinct possibility.

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Do you see what I mean about the possibility of 2 scum left?

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honestly I'm sorry to do the gladiate situation to you but I'm actually confirmation biased TOWARDS Shoshin being scum here. it's as much forcing myself not to lose by not considering enough situations as it is about forcing anything else.

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actually the reason I want to rush this endgame is so we can get to whether or not to lynch Shoshin asap, I'm kinda exhausted from being in the same thread as her rn.

Please don't discuss the NK in depth. if Shoshin is actually a town bodyguard and scum is {Wizzy,rando} then her correctly guessing the night kill instantly wins us the game. it's better not to speculate on it at all.

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I just need to make sure you're with me on the possibility of two scum being left.

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if Shoshin/rando were w/w they would have already won. we hammer tested it earlier

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possible solo scum in probability order is like:
{Shoshin}
{RadiantCowbells}
{Boris the alpaca}
{rando}
{Wisdom}

but team probability is in order roughly:
{rando, Wisdom}
{Shoshin, tw}
{Wisdom, Shoshin}


all other teams I ~think~ are hammer tested

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from my point of view:-
- if there's 2 scum left, Wisdom is confirmed scum.
- if there's 1 scum left, it's almost always Shoshin

and I will relish in lynching Shoshin tmrw if she's the last scum.

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possible solo scum in probability order is like:
{Shoshin}
{RadiantCowbells}
{Boris the alpaca}
{rando}
{Wisdom}

but team probability is in order roughly:
{rando, Wisdom}
{Shoshin, tw}
{Wisdom, Shoshin}


all other teams I ~think~ are hammer tested

from my point of view:-
- if there's 2 scum left, Wisdom is confirmed scum.
- if there's 1 scum left, it's almost always Shoshin

and I will relish in lynching Shoshin tmrw if she's the last scum.

talk to me about this if you don't mind--ill come back to Shoshin after

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Ehh if wisdom does flip town I'll be mutely voting her then unsubbing from the thread tomorrow.

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What if Wisdom flips green, Shoshin flips red and game doesn’t end?

I can't really see this happening.

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nancy there are two possibilities here
Shoshin is scum alone
Or
Shoshin is scum with tw
If its the first, lynching tw or lynching me are both fine
If its the second, lynching me loses the game and lynching tw wins it
what are we waiting for here?

this ignores like half the active possibilities. I honestly don't see how you don't see where I'm coming from as town.

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You don't see why I'm concerned you never considered rando a possibility?

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tw/rando and shosh/rando are like pretty much impossible iirc

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why would you bus him if Shoshin is there as an easy mislynch and you're one lynch away from winning?

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fwiw the way you've kept him at arm's length rings similar to Coalition but I need to do more reading

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Actually your reasoning here is scummier than your reasoning in coalition was. Discounting a w/w hood is a farce honestly.

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This game has had like 20 hoods it seems like an optimal place to use a w/w hood. and do you seriously think rando vs. chickadee spews rando so hard he's conftown without any questions? that's not even high calibre threate tbh

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viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76296
here you go. and yeah that's the only time I've played with scum!Wisdom outside of marathons I think

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why would you bus him if Shoshin is there as an easy mislynch and you're one lynch away from winning?

because thats how i operate
random is a weak player, if i wanted to get him lynched itd be easy
Lynch him after chick and im guaranteed to win, especially with no prs that can catch me
Keep him around and tie myself to him? Why bother?

> known busser
> "why would I not play to my scum meta as scum?"
ヽ(｀⌒´)ノ

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I've already explained that their reads are more fluid than Nancy's and stronger than mine. If you want a Shoshin mislynch this is a well positioned LyLo by you and rando.

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and if I'm wrong it's just Shoshin

what do we lose here fypov?

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You know hoods are alignment WIFOM nonsense just as well as I do. Strip that aside. Who is further out of their scumrange--me or rando?

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they were also tprs like come on

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As someone who doesn't do replace outs. I would have replaced out if I was scum with Shoshin. jfc.

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the unexplained protective basically gives me pause on how useless they are lol

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I'm really bored of your WIFOM argument around night kills. they were strong night kills regardless of who the last scumfucks are.

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my entire stance on this is like "either you're telling the truth or you're lying and you speak with absolute conviction regardless of alignment"

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sorry for the unabashed AtE Nancy but I'm losing energy for this game rapidly. If you're just unable to see what I see with wisdom here and will not vote him, vote me instead. if we lose the game instantly pinkie promise you'll sheep me forever in future games. if it goes into night, powerlynch Shoshin tomorrow.

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if you can't vote either way we'll just end up in a 2v2 until deadline runs out and. better to roll the dice.


pedit: but they were obvtown TPRs with highly fluid reads anyone should have killed them

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none of us have useful power roles anymore lol

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I'm pretty sure she'd say that as either town or scum tho

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they had roles which proved each others existence

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The only vote I could possibly have felt good about either way has been taken away from me.

guess whose fault that is

cheeky pocketing

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regardless of who the last scum are we can win this without even talking to Shoshin Nancy

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I'm pretty sure she'd say that as either town or scum tho

Are you serious? Do you honestly believe she is that clueless about the gamestate?

do I trust Shoshin to be shamelessly bad?
lol. yes. more than I trust myself to be a duckling.

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regardless of who the last scum are we can win this without even talking to Shoshin Nancy

Please tell me how that can even be possible?

lynch one of me or wisdom asap

silently quickhammer depending on flip tomorrow

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I'm pretty sure she'd say that as either town or scum tho

Are you serious? Do you honestly believe she is that clueless about the gamestate?

do I trust Shoshin to be shamelessly bad?
lol. yes. more than I trust myself to be a duckling.

Lol that’s not what I asked you. I asked you if you really believe she is that clueless?

honestly yeah, I'd expect her to epic fail gamestate analysis as either alignment. It just dawned on me I maybe have 0 finished games with Shosh.

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I think just throw down a vote nancy. We need to move this thing along, we're in danger of running to 200 pages.

fwiw if you vote me I'm happy to self hammer so you don't have to deal with more shoshin

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it just comes down to:

if there's 2 scum left who's the second--me or wizzy?

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the main reasons I'm rushing this are that I'm super exhausted of this game and I don't want to risk more drama.

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welp that gamestate dysphoria is making me worry I'm actually just being dumb here

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I don't disagree with that. this one's up to you 100%.

I'm happy to cool off and let you work through it. Yell out if you wanna talk about more stuff.

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I don't disagree with that. this one's up to you 100%.

I'm happy to cool off and let you work through it. Yell out if you wanna talk about more stuff.

I’m completely emotionally drained and exhausted from what happened before. Shoshin temporarily neutralized my neurons. It adversely affected cted my ability to view the gamestate clearly.

I get that. it might be worth sleeping on it, either way.

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I'm incapable of wolfing this hard. still hope I'm just wrong but w/e I'd rather cross off all possibilities.

I gladiated Wisdom because via hammer testing if there's >1 scum alive he's confirmed scum to me.

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we hammer tested every thing else out. anything else would be ridiculous :/

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hi

oh wow wisdom is actually scum lol and here I thought I was getting paranoid

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he's like pushing his agenda well psst the point of reason. I find it difficult to believe he believes what he's saying anymore.

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Nance have you read Shoshin's only scumgame onsite?

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your stance on the hoods and read on rando as a result of that alone is like..... na

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*glances at gladiate*
*glances at 4672*
*glances back at gladiate*

urg

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I'm pretty sick right now and need to crash soonish. Nancy I wanna show you what I saw wrt gamestate. Again I know this isn't a great situation for you but if Shoshin is scum she doesn't have a partner. I'd be really surprised if wisdom was scum with anyone but rando here, if he's scum. and a world exists here where Shoshin is "scum with a town role pm". Her onsite meta is weak but if she's scum here she is way far outside her established scum meta.

to an extent she should be sortable by postcount and wordcount. the amount of content she has vomited up here is town indicative.

she seems to come across as a lot less passionate and engaged as scum. she has definitely been passionate and engaged here, like to a fault.

annoyingly she also has a point about mechanics. night kills here are consistent with the scumteam trying to duck a bodyguard. using a bg ability on Nico the same night she was killed makes no sense unless she knew Nico was macho. Nico's masquerade hood is confirmed T/T so I can't think of a way scum!Shoshin could have known that. unless she's like a mafia jailkeeper which I'd need to check against other night actions.


coming into this phase EVERY PLAYER wanted to lynch Shoshin at least a bit. she's done herself no favours. I can't see scum!Shoshin realising she needs two more mislynches to win and then charging into zero-charisma territory. this day phase is a lot more consistent with Shoshin being the designated mislynch because she would be VERY satisfying to lynch right here.


I think Wisdom thought he had this in the bag. his posting is super consistent with what I'd expect from flailing scum whose plan has just come unstuck. I'd be genuinely surprised if this is town!Wisdom who has decided to abandon all reason and just lock into a half assed mechanical locktown read on rando.



it all just..... feels wrong as fuck



I agree toxicity is not a fair way to play and it is a crummy scum strategy. if Wisdom is actually town here we powerlynch Shoshin tomorrow and I'll be relieved. But more and more I'm not seeing this as town!Wisdom. I'm sorry.



without bordering on trust tell territory, please believe I am never ever scum with Shoshin here. I'll push people hard and bitch and moan about gamestate as scum but outright rudeness is totally intolerable. if she's scum she never deserves to win this.

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@Nancy viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76221

without tryna be rude she's just not good at scum
not saying there's a 0% chance she's scum here because I'm a bad meta reader. but compare the games

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Ank is a crazy strong town player

This is not what you said on D1. Can you explain the change?

Please explain.

this goes well beyond this game.
I probably underestimated Ank a fair bit in our early interactions but have learned I was st00pid

I'm not sure what you want me to say here.

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What changed your mind?

What did you learn?

that she is very competent

can you show me like what part of my d1 posting is making you confused?

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Just gonna pop in and say Rando's meta is NAI here. he's scum with wisdom by gamestate, or town.

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I'd also like to know why you voted Sajj after I pointed out exactly why she was town. Like, what's going through your head there?

I mean I really wasn't townreading you at that point so your posting didn't have a major impact on me :\

that phase ended a lot sooner than I would have liked it to. there were a few things about Sajj that weren't really stacking up as scum and by the time I came around on it it was too late.

this shit happens.

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@ 4751 - I have no interest in answering any of those questions til post-game and do not see for a moment why any of them are relevant.

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Just gonna pop in and say Rando's meta is NAI here. he's scum with wisdom by gamestate, or town.

He's also scum via behaviors. You disagree with my case?

Rn my strongest reads is that he's scum with wisdom. if not he's probtown. what do you think I'm disagreeing about here?

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Back to work. Shoshin I'm not sure how your questions @me are useful for sorting. you do sound a bit salty which is probably understandable but I'm not rly sure what your angle is here

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me/random would have already won via quickhammer.

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that's kinda unsortable atm

she's realistically NEVER the night kill. scum know you're the obvious night kill so are liable to kill me instead to avoid shooting Shoshin. scum know this so will shoot you to avoid shooting me.

iocaine powder comes from Australia etc. etc.

if town: Shoshin doesn't necessarily believe she can correctly guess the night kill.

if scum: Shoshin is just positioning me for a losing mislynch following a wisdom mislynch

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to answer them all at once

I am deeply sincerely apologetic for having trajectory in my reads and not assuming you were correct and accordingly sheeping you for the entire game

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that's kinda unsortable atm

she's realistically NEVER the night kill. scum know you're the obvious night kill so are liable to kill me instead to avoid shooting Shoshin. scum know this so will shoot you to avoid shooting me.

iocaine powder comes from Australia etc. etc.

if town: Shoshin doesn't necessarily believe she can correctly guess the night kill.

if scum: Shoshin is just positioning me for a losing mislynch following a wisdom mislynch

How?

How @ which part?

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I'd also like to know why you voted Sajj after I pointed out exactly why she was town. Like, what's going through your head there?

I mean I really wasn't townreading you at that point so your posting didn't have a major impact on me :\

that phase ended a lot sooner than I would have liked it to. there were a few things about Sajj that weren't really stacking up as scum and by the time I came around on it it was too late.

this shit happens.

Shoshin I think the answer to your question is in here ^^
I didn't have the time to sort Sajj I would have liked before the hammer. What else do you want from me here? if I haven't addressed anything wrt Sajj let me know.

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I wish this was multiball so I could just understand how drained I feel rn


pedit: I'm at work and I can't keep up with your pace. could anyone bold @tw me if there's stuff I need to answer specifically?

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that's kinda unsortable atm

she's realistically NEVER the night kill. scum know you're the obvious night kill so are liable to kill me instead to avoid shooting Shoshin. scum know this so will shoot you to avoid shooting me.

iocaine powder comes from Australia etc. etc.

if town: Shoshin doesn't necessarily believe she can correctly guess the night kill.

if scum: Shoshin is just positioning me for a losing mislynch following a wisdom mislynch

me/random would have already won via quickhammer.

How can Shoshin possibly be worried about being mislynched, when I am the obvious NK and if she is bg, she dies in my place. Am I missing something @Shoshin?

^ @Nancy, this was in response to your question (quotes in wrong order sorry)

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I'd also like to know why you voted Sajj after I pointed out exactly why she was town. Like, what's going through your head there?

I mean I really wasn't townreading you at that point so your posting didn't have a major impact on me :\

that phase ended a lot sooner than I would have liked it to. there were a few things about Sajj that weren't really stacking up as scum and by the time I came around on it it was too late.

this shit happens.

Shoshin I think the answer to your question is in here ^^
I didn't have the time to sort Sajj I would have liked before the hammer. What else do you want from me here? if I haven't addressed anything wrt Sajj let me know.

This answer is bullshit.

You voted her. Then you unvoted. And then you voted again the moment Nancy appeared stating that she thought Sajj was scum. You had time, enough to reconsider your vote, and then enough to place your vote back on Sajj when Nancy showed up.

hhhhooooowwwwww
I thought Sajj was high scum equity. then I started thinking about the gamestate and started to doubt my read. then I started to doubt doubting my read.

by the time I was doubting doubting my doubt she was dead

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@Sajj I keep answering this. I am not obligated to sheep you and I didn't townread you strongly at the time. you did not appeal directly to me, you just laid your point of view down.

was I meant to sheep you? o.0

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@Nancy I'd be surprised if Shoshin were scum here too but it's still absolutely possible. it's just a conversation that's better had later.

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@Nancy I'd be surprised if Shoshin were scum here too but it's still absolutely possible. it's just a conversation that's better had later.

You've changed your tune a lot. When you first gladiated Wisdom, you were saying I was probably scum but you just wanted to rule out the possibility of Wisdom/Random. What changed?

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I think im the only player still alive with really really obvious read trajectory. Nancy am I going crazy here?

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I'm aware and that's why I'm engaging with you. I'm just surprised you're not following my read trajectory here because I feel like I've been super transparent.

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@Nancy my post 4774 was in response to your question about Shoshin being concerned with being mislynched

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what do you wanna know about d1? throw me a couple of questions I can answer

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if Shoshin thinks I'm wking her holy fuck

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ok Nancy let's make a deal

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4774
^ dat un

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I'd rather lose to Wisdom and Rando than lose to Shoshin so hammer me
if we don't instantly lose (well played dudes) just lynch Shoshin tomorrow

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@Shosh no way I'm touching those questions until later and some of them will be answered with "I'll get back to you post-game". I've played with Scum!Sajj and read her scumgames and she gave off a different energy here altogether. I threw her an early townread to see if it would relax her and she'd spew her alignment harder.

defending a mislynch is never AI lol, if anything your lack of read trajectory in her is sliiiightly gross

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I'm obviously buddying Nancy lol she's my buddy

are you aware of my buddying meta or not

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@Nancy my post 4774 was in response to your question about Shoshin being concerned with being mislynched

I need a link please.

I still don’t understand your post.

basically, I don't make anything of Shoshin's concerns about getting mislynched. It could be legitimate and it could be fake. I won't know for sure unless we get wisdom's flip

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if anyone is bored tho they should use investigative powahs on rando

I AM SO FUCKING SHOOK YOU PEOPLE COULDN'T EVEN LYNCH SCUM!CREATURE WHAT THE FUCK

don't forget this

I was unable to reply to anything end of day 1

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I'd rather lose to Wisdom and Rando than lose to Shoshin so hammer me
if we don't instantly lose (well played dudes) just lynch Shoshin tomorrow

I don’t want to lose . . . Period.

Same but if you stop townreading me town loses like 70% of the time. Shoshin is pushing a lot of garbage and I'm not sure if it's because she loves herself or if she's setting me up for a mislynch.

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the worst has seen me townread players who aggressively attack me and scumread me, so I really don't like that he's taking that approach here. I'd really appreciate if you just calmly replied to my questions because I think they're legitimate questions and I think it's legitimate for me to treat today like LYLO between myself, Wisdom, and the worst.

Happy to respond later

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gigglesnort wat

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Shoshin you're clearly pushing for my lynch here. hammer me.

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Shoshin you accept I can't be scum with anyone else right

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it's mechanically better for town!you to remove the {Wisdom, rando} possibility from existence. it's mechanically better for scum!you to stall the fuck outta this day so we all get exhausted and you'll know where to push tomorrow. this isn't a good look.

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@shoshin I'm kinda bored by the idea of going into an epic 1v1 with you which is totally liable to be TvT. on the balance of probabilities one of us is either dead tonight or we can work this shit out tomorrow.

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I like to think I'd try and deeecalate the drama this phase as either alignment. Still.....i really don't see why scum!me force ejects the wagon on shoshin at all. no one who has seen me as scum would ever believe I have the energy to pull off this kind of prolonged deepwolf anyone who still thinks I do is absolutely dreaming.

why would I hard defend shoshin and then drag her into 3p to attempt to mislynch her?

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because I'm pretty sure this is TvT (read: waste of time) and wisdom is scum.

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why should I know better lol

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it's a huge waste of time when there's a transparent mechanical way to win

this is either TvT or TvS can we work out which one so I don't have to act through the whole thing?

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because youve played with me enough to know this is town me

if I'm just straight up wrong here I do owe you an apology post-game and I'll need to do more reading. I seriously haven't seen anything here that's made me go "oh fuck wisdom is town"

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Spoiler: answer to your questions @wisdom

he's scum

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/pocketing Nancy didn't work so he's trying the other one