Mini Theme 2022: Trapped! [Gameover]

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Ego - found the thread. Did that solve the first puzzle? Also VOTE: Elephant.

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Got it. Actually read the challenge now.

Test post to find out if "the next number in the consecutive sequence" means just +1, or we can use a pattern.

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And just read the clarification. Nope, looks like basic counting. Alright.
Question for more clarification, can we restart on our own or do we have to wait for a mod/co-mod?

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"powers in three" - saboteurs?

I looked for patterns or a different hidden number (one thousand sixty twenties?) but didnt see it.

re: scumhunting - we wont have the VCA, so we have to use both analysis of who isnt advancing the ball as well as NKA.

Question for the board re forum code - if we submit and get a preview, do we get a second preview if we submit from that screen? Or if we get a preview should we go back to the start

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Actually I think we should use Elephant's plan in the last three days. For now, we should also keep chattering. It will help the "pre-night" decision.

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Liking Lion's shade.

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Why not do both? We can chatter and intentionally throw if all agree?

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Im still working on "one thousands and sixty twenty". So far I have tried converting 325 into base 3 ("powers of 3") and cubing it (same logic) and not come up with anything that could resemble that number (1620? 2200?) Im inclined to think its just flavored conversation for the picture that came before the poem of the challenge.

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They also get told the answer to the puzzle sometimes.... Perhaps this one is self-evident and the question is whether scum will decide to self-sacrifice or not.

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"sixty twenty" -> 1200 or 620 for me, dont see how you get to 80?

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wow. Sorry. 60+20. Will check that number too.

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I kinda agree with Enigma's point if not his solution. I dont think we should be spam-counting this early because there are a lot of slots to sort and talk.

That said, I also no longer think we should wait until the last 2/3 days to solve, because we arent 100%sure of our target, so Id like to get to 325 with sufficient breathing room.

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Can players also use the void prefix to talk without upping the count?

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Mechanics

• Once the phase is over, everyone's answers to the first 2 questions will be posted publically which is then concluded with a final vote count. Whoever has the most votes on them will then be lynched.

@Mod: Are we told who placed which votes (i.e., are the votes/reasoning associated with each slot)?

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Thats the second time? Number must be first.

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v/la weekends too. Mod, before you go can you ping the two players that haven’t posted so they can learn the rules. Thanks

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Steel Rail and flashbacks.

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Interesting that’s the second time someone has proposed that.

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My pagetop

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Will read and post lazy reads tonight. Are two players online in about an hour to count fast just so we can get a sense of how long it will take to seal the deal?

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Thanks. If we get one more, I’m inclined to try to blast out 100 in sets of five just so we can get a sense of how long it will take. Then when it’s the Monday and there are more people around we can decide whether or not to restart to allow conversation, and (regardless) when to begin the serious push for the finish.

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I’m hoping you were joking.

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Just work in sets of 5 - easier to remember where to stop.

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I liked 24 and 42 a fair amount. 136 and 138 felt forced. Also felt 184 – on the same target – was an overread. Nully-scum.

Your thoughts on Chickadee?

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Breaking the rule of 5 to remind you to not do five yourself since you are near the page limit.

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@Guilty and @Kokichi - what do you think was at all vague about NK15's shade? It was pretty clear and sunny to me.

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Also the "point" of the post seems pretty obvious - to advance the game by talking about suspicions. What were the points of your posts if not the same?

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So really the only sound point you make is your first question, whether it is right to assume that someone who messes up would reread the rules.

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And even that is wrong, because Kokichi SAID they had read the rules.

Oh, sorry guys. I should read from

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I'm inclined to attribute Kokichi's agreement to OMGUS, and not add to the questions I have about them messing up the count twice. But Guilty's original post is the post of theirs I like the least this game.

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Mod: Does the seven posts in a row rule extend across pages?

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I agree; I just wanted it explicit (from the mod) so nobody could woopsies that without also making clear that they aren't reading the thread.

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back to ending on 5s

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I’m mobile so I’ll be briefer than I normally am.

@guilty- Re385: I thought NK15’s post was a clear, and light, scumread. What you are criticizing as wishywashy I view as an honest portrayal that it was not significant but still worth discussing. Difference of opinion.

More important, re386: I didn’t jump in to answer. I waited literal hundreds of posts until after (1) NK posted without answering, (2) someone else echoed it, and (3) a third person asked me for a read on you. So it’s those three things that led me to talk about it.. Why are you so angry about it given theose three facts?

Re whether Kokichi knowingly screwed up a second time - not important to me. I’m slightly inclined to NK15’s view - that someone who knows they “should” read is more inclined to do so. I also question whether the second error was a fake “whoops”slip. But my read on Kokichi is pretty weak and primarily questions.

At this point, as for who I’d vote, it’s kind of a PoE pool of who I wouldn’t vote. Most people are still open game and I don’t have a scumread outside the margin of error. But I’m at you, Kokichi, pine, midget, and chickadee.

Since this has been long, I’ll repeat that it was post 220 and 221 comes next.

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Ive now started to draft, and lost, this three times. Screw rent-a-laptops. If this is unclear, Im probably assuming I said something that was in one of the former drafts, so please ask. (I also now see NK has covered the basic point in far less room).

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@Guilty, Im going to respond one last time then stop, because Im not getting anything AI out of this. Feel free to have the last word, though I will answer any questions you have.

I don't believe in things that are "not significant yet worth discussing".

I do. I discuss very weak scumreads. Especially on D1. Especially when D1 is even lower information than normal. But you don’t. Fair enough, we have a difference of opinion. You do you. But I do scumread how aggressively you seem to be assuming that your opinion must be right.

there should be a relatively clear binary on either he faked it or he didn't

Ummm, only from his perspective? For the rest of us, there is only a guess of whether he faked it or didn’t? So my views of human predilections as well as the text of his followup post point me one way, but I admit it’s an assumption that could very easily be wrong? Where do you think otherwise?

I am being direct and aggressive sure, but not "angry"

You aren’t here to play semantics? You sure?

how is it not important to you? ....
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... honestly I see that point as fairly NAI overall

Hey look, you answered your own question.

Nice dodge! Which of those five would you actually vote? …. Are we just enforcing a "anyone who screwed up is more likely to be scum" policy? That seems really shallow.

As for the vote, it depends on how the day progresses. As for the primary factor in my PoE pool, it is less “errors” and more “who has done the least to advance town”. You’ll notice most of my pool are low on the activity bar. If you think anyone is lock scum right now, or even significantly +rand scum, you either have way better skills or way more knowledge than me.

you've ignored the point of the second half of my 386 (or we're speaking past eachother). . . . . how are you going to say I'm "wrong" for coming to the opposite conclusion

Semantics again. I have no problem with your coming at Kokichi’s 111 differently, though I think it's less likely. What I have a problem with is your

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conclusion that NK15 is necessarily scum because he reached what I view as the more likely conclusion and expressed it in an understandable manner.

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To be clear, Im not defending NK. He’s pretty much a pure null. But I was responding to both Kokichi and you. And F off for telling me not to answer a question. I will talk about whatever I want to talk about.

Finally, because this is a wall, I will remind the board that it is 230 and 231 is next.

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Cheers and let peace rain in the valley again.

I would say being timid or waffling while discussing them (what I felt NK was doing) is not worth posting. Even if you feel it's weak, own it.

You were probably right earlier when you called me tone policing. But so is this. For me, NK was posting about a weak scumread, and waffling about it makes sense.

Much like if you say Kokichi faked it and I say he didn't, that's a substantive disagreement over potentially AI evidence. but If you say "Kokichi may have faked it or he may not have, but he did say he ~should~ read", that feels like you're arguing over NAI semantics when you don't even disagree

Just so we are clear as we leave the field, I personally believe Kokichi faked at least the second one. (As best I can tell, you personally believe they didn't). So we do have a disagreement. But I don't think its worth arguing over because it is pure assumptions that can never be proven.

PEDIT: I will reread them late tonight. They've definitely pinged me before to the point that they were the last name I decided to omit to make 5.

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Well you should

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I'd like your opinion on Enigma's contributions to town

TBH, I agreed with your 136 and don’t have all that much to add. His 140 seemed kinda nihilistic and LAMISTy all at once, but not demonstrably wrong either given how slow we were counting. 176’s shade at Chickadee is what got him out of my lynchpool. Finally, and after the fact, I didn’t like the fact that 412 scummed three slots without names.

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Mylo any reads at all? Pine?

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Does anybody think we should NOT try to finish today?

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Wanna say why?

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Those are mighty fine lists elephant, but why is Midget not in the bottom?

Does anyone have meta on Pine and how involved/spectator he is? (I saw some baby pics a while ago, so congrats for that).

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I think spamcounting should be encouraged to get back to 250 again!

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Actually, we have to restart at 0. spam us up.

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Elephant you me and chick in sets of 5 to 250?

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Sounds good. I'll go to 5. Elephant you take over then.

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Im around a computer most of the day until 5:30 eastern, so if two others sign up Ill get back into a spam routine to 250.

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Ofrhz has to go next.

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Ofrhz has to go next.

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Ofrhz its your turn.

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I think do include the name of the next person, just to indicate you are aware of the transfer.

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my goodness if KO didnt feel like scum who had been told PEdit wont come up if they are submitted at the same time. :Eek:

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FFS, no preview for me. Pass back and forth among three AND ONLY THREE, til 250?

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Elephant has first dibs.

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I really didnt get a preview. My guess is that if you "back" off a Pedit screen, you dont get another if you submit from that screen. But I truly have no idea.

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Elephant dibs for 2 mins.

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Good luck tomorroe Chickadee. Im a former lawyer who is following his dream of becoming a highschool history teacher and the jobhunt has been miserable, though it has left me time for this. As a total out of game aside, what forum does the GTKAS in your sig lead to? I cant follow it, or several other sig links.

PEDIT: how nice to see you why mafia! Count when counted upon.

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handing off to Why Mafia to count through 55. Feel free to comment on anything you want in the process.

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I think we still have at least 3 days? I dont get the panic.

Two days. And we have never gotten more than 75% of the way there in 5 days. So I do think wanting to spam to 250 is at least justified. Are any of your posts so important that you cant wait the ten minutes it takes to get called on in this process? Or the five hours it would take until we are at 250 and can stop spamming?

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RN Im VOTE: KO unless he can come up with something other than "Im always this scummy".

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Also, I flytested my "back" means no preview edit theory. IT failed, I got a preview edit. no idea why I didnt here, but any tech intelligent thoughts are welcome.

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Also, as the last couple posts show, Im inclined to go back to spamming, calling on the followers, and using gaps at the handoff and preview edit to involve new people. Anybody disagree?

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Agreed with your spectator comment. Am wondering why they havent reraised their 19. The concern that 325 is not our actual target is what is motivating my desire to spamcount.

40 seemed to credulous, but not particularly NAI. I liked the proactive, though seemingly obvious, TR of Feysal and even more the backup of it in 124. The pagetop comment in 126 is probably NAI, though I question why you would promise that kind of activity and then just spectate. I liked the push on Guilty in 141, because i didnt understand it either.

Meh, null-town and not interested in lynching today.

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no more spam from me until after another turn.

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handing off.

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handoff on the 5s and 10s, its easier. Im handing off.

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Signing off. KO who do you include in lurkers?

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@teacher. Randommidget, enigma, mylo, pine?

Midget has one post. He cant be anything other than null, and if someone says different they are a liar. I dont think Id vote it but wont judge those who do.

Enigma is a mixed bag for me, as discussed in 422. Noted that he spamposted but didnt see the implicit question of who are the three names, so I will no make that explicit. Who are they?

mylo also missed my pending question (this one was at least explicit) from 425 and has contributed nothing. Has a good presence in my lynchpool, because he has NONE in the thread.

Pine has also been less solvey, but has a bit more an excuse. He's on my meh list of probably not going to vote him, but wont judge those who do.

My vote list atm is (chickadee, mylo, KO). Im not going to repeat the Chickadee issues everyone has flogged to death, but nobody has discussed the attempt to restart at 1. Im surprised Feysal is getting so many townreads for what seemed like good but generic setup comments and coasting without reads ever since, but they are by no means in my pool.

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Feysal and NK, why no content?

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That said, I really do think we should try to finish today, and also get a consensus lynch. VOTE: Mylo.

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Feysal??? Thats going to need a heck of a lot of explaining. I questioned how many people were towning him for a good early post and coast, but I also dont think he can be worse than null or below Pine for the same reasons. TBH your pool makes me want to vote you, so I hope you can come back and talk about it.

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Im still (Mylo Chickadee KO) over NK, but I will join that train if thats the overwhelming consensus. Im going to spam to 240.

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ID add Pine over NK too, but again dont really mind either.

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Elephant, who is your preference between Mylo and Chickadee

Anybody else want to weigh in on those two, or NK/Pine?

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I was fairly indifferent between the two. VOTE: Chickadee to get a consensus through tonight.

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heee heee I think Ive had all these numbers.

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In a subway so not rereading but I had them as a pure null. I’m conflicted on Guilty so I wasn’t particularly excited about lunching Guiltys hard push.

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KO’s point on Pine seems fair.

I also don’t like that NK openly rejected a request for content. I’m on mobile and still talking. It’s not THAT hard.

I’m also fine staying on Chickadee and can make the case if desired, since I think I’m the one actually pushing her. It’s less the mistakes (though those don’t help) than the false read on Elephant and the unexplained inclusion of Feysal in the lynchpool - the pool as a whole felt bizarre)

Bottom line is I’m pretty flexible but not confident enough to want to be the one calling the shot.

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That may be a simple timing dispute. Im doing a job interview tomorrow as well, so I will be mostly offline from now until appr. 2hrs before deadline. (NK, Mylo, Chickadee, Pine) work well enough by me, and I will commit to joining whatever majority wagon takes root in my absence.

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I imagine the thread gets locked but don’t know for sure. That’s why I’m giving my pool and proxy because I sure hope the task is done before I’m back.

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I prefer Nk. I don’t like the spam count to avoid ability to coordinate right near target.

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JIC it’s 1080. Spam up but I’m handing off bc mobile.

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