Mini Normal 2009: Day 6

[Mathdino]

Also, if you

really

think I'm the sk, then you have to no lynch to win. Because there's no reason to rule out 9 vs 3 vs 1, and you haven't ruled that out. So lynching sk-stan would throw the game to mafia.

The only chance for town in 2vs1vs1 is no lynching and hoping for a cross shoot. But you're so open to the idea of lynching me today when nm doesn't seem to agree with that at all.

And that's a lot of why I scumread you more.

[Mathdino]

FUCK.

[Mathdino]

Stan is an alt, I assume the original user has probably just forgot to log in.

:@

this is accurate
i don't bookmark my alt games for fear of alt slipping
and i try to play at different times from my main

of course the one time i play at the same time because you guys need me around

i slip
-_-

[Mathdino]

N_M i was never on my alt at the same time as you
i was probably on my main at the same time as you but i didn't notice

please talk to me about una because profii's behaviour these last two days is hilariously scum-indicative
profii seemed to know wilky would flip scum

and polling the dead, it looks like morality is the main una-scumreader
i'm not sure una doesn't just kill morality given that mor was unlynchable

[Mathdino]

una was really good in dynamic duo at fucking the associatives
i wouldn't have caught him in that game
so i'm specifically ignoring his ISO for associatives and searching wilky and aa9's instead

i'm just finding more evidence for profii :/

[Mathdino]

Ugh, bbt, nm and profii are all town for me just now so by process of elimination
VOTE: Una

Willing to consider i'm wrong on at least one of the other 3 aswell.

for example here

why does wilky choose to bus una at this point in the game

[Mathdino]

NM i don't wanna get locked in a tunnel, i don't actually think your reads are shit and i haven't read the game chronologically

i'm scumreading profii and nullreading una

you're townreading profii and null?reading una

una is probably outside both our ranges to read

but what are you seeing on profii

[Mathdino]

No idea what to think here yet.
I was certain we would have a 3p LyLo today, and with a cast that benefits profii.
Meaning that I really expected Stan to die.
I refuse to believe Stan would be a protective and a vig at the same.
Would mean that Stan is a bulletproof-SK then?

But I simply do not believe in 3v1v9. I think it would be a ridiculous setup no matter the amount PRs.

Meaning that the remaining scum either decided to

NO-KILL (dislike the idea, will explain later)

, or there's an

unclaimed protective/BP amongst Una/N_M/profii.

Now that makes me think that a BP is the likeliest.
I haven't heard of a BP-mason yet, but I'd bet it's possible.

Wanna claim that N_M?

I'd consider profii or Stan claiming anything other than what they have already claimed to be a fakeclaim and confirmed BS.
So a theorized BP means that N_M was the NK-target, and I'd say that makes the most sense anyway.
I wanna hear N_M fullclaim before I speculate further..

I hated this

i mean i did too but goddamn, this is practically scum claiming their shot

is una THAT bad

[Mathdino]

Also don't understand why scum proffii randomly defends me day 2

maybe he knew you were town?

i didn't see that in his ISO, i'll go check

[Mathdino]

I wanna no lynch

VOTE: No lynch

do you wanna no lynch because you think i might be SK or because you wanna see who the nightkill is

i only recommended a no lynch as a hypothetical, as in, if i were mod confirmed SK, the correct move is to no lynch and pray for a crosskill

i am not however mod confirmed SK to myself so it doesn't benefit me to no lynch (although i will if necessary because i can't lynch without you)

[Mathdino]

What's the benefit of lynching today?

the fact that both of us are around to make an educated decision

[Mathdino]

i'll be happy to take you to school on "Choosing Right in LyLo 101"

[Mathdino]

i don't trust myself this game

but lol i'm playing like no games right now so i'll spend time reading in the next couple days

or next game day if you no lynch

[Mathdino]

N_M i was never on my alt at the same time as you
i was probably on my main at the same time as you but i didn't notice

please talk to me about una because profii's behaviour these last two days is hilariously scum-indicative
profii seemed to know wilky would flip scum

and polling the dead, it looks like morality is the main una-scumreader
i'm not sure una doesn't just kill morality given that mor was unlynchable

I knew it was you.

Damn how'd you know

[Mathdino]

Also don't understand why scum proffii randomly defends me day 2

Inferno gets triggered easily

He chastised you for tunnelling Tex

Tex flipped town (scum lolol whatever) and therefore for you to be told off for tunnelling Tex meant your win con was not lynching town. The mod literally gave it away by not PMing you that telling off

I mention inferno is triggered easily because he was daft enough to not realise the consequence of what he did so I had confidence in my theory

Also - I am a VT so by “alluding” to having a result on you might have drawn a night kill to me, but I think it was Maths slot who couldn’t let it go. A town player with the rep of BBT should have not pressed for role fishing at that point. Point in case Morality realised exactly what i was doing I think

Link me to your progression on Not_Mafia
This is enough for me to vote una

[Mathdino]

Profii this is my actual interrogation

How did you know it was me
Like when in my iso

[Mathdino]

I know stan is an alt and mentioned she doesn't always log into the account for this game but I once played a game where that turned out to be scum coasting through to the end.

But you called me she up until this post despite me not setting gender on that account :/

[Mathdino]

Gotcha

[Mathdino]

Who could you have bussed
The other lynch option was aa9

[Mathdino]

He can't call me scummy for wanting to keep AA9 alive to the last lylo, because he did not shoot AA9 when we lynched wilky but everyone know AA9 was scum

He claims he only just realised he was a Vig last minute, but he pre-reads his replace ins he must have known that AA9 was pretty obvious scum so at the point of replacing in so why isn't he removing scum?

I think he is a SK that knew there is likely 2-1-T setup and removing arc meant removing a contesting night kill + Arc was probably going to shoot Gus when left to her own devices so that is his win con.

I'm only voting Mathdino today.
I would vote because it's 3v1 and if I'm wrong scum can't rush, but someone will only accuse me of being reckless, however, math is a SK. Lynch today.

1. I shot Morality because I thought there was a strong association with wilky and I thought he'd be much harder to lynch than aa9. His scumgame is dangerous.

2. I only read my predecessors ISO (this is why I shot Voyc). I had no read on aa9 that entire first day.

3. I genuinely don't understand how you think that I, as an SK, would believe I'm up against 2 mafia, especially when there's been 2 masons, a fucking jailkeeper, AND a commuter. The jailkeeper would be able to guilty the SK or the 2nd mafia. That wouldn't pass review.

Not to mention how one of the masons is a ubackup? Fucking lol.

4. I find it hard to believe you could be this bad at the game.
VOTE: profii

[Mathdino]

Ctrl F stans iso for wilky and morality
Then ctrl F their ISOs for each other

I assumed morality knew wilky would flip town
My hope was that a green flip on morality would clear una

[Mathdino]

I wasn't going to shoot morality had wilky flipped town

I shot because of the association

Had wilky flipped town I'd probably have shot aa9 to make sure the game continued

[Mathdino]

I guarantee the dead thread is not at all a fan of the theory that there's only 2 mafia

I really don't know how to broadcast to you how embarrassing this is going to be

Again, while I was busy during the week, you spent your time tinfoiling theories instead of actually looking for SK setups

I would not fucking pass
1 mafia goon + 1 mafia odd night commuter
VS
1 serial killer
VS
1 Mason, 1 ubackup mason, 1 even night commuter, 1 jailkeeper

That's 4 town power roles vs almost 0 mafia power
That's outright a ridiculous setup
I balance setups by the notion that the number of confirmable town should equal the number of mafia

2 masons is already a LOT
Now 1 mason can become a jailkeeper?
Now the jailkeeper can get guilties on the serial killer or mafia goon?

Fuck that setup idea

[Mathdino]

Just checked, its actually a roleblocker

That's even stronger than jailkeeper in that setup because the roleblocker can get harder guilties than JK

[Mathdino]

Yes because one scum power role hasn't flipped yet, and it's probably a rolecop or a roleblocker

Im not fucking arguing there can't be an sk

I'm arguing there must be another mafia or else mafia lost when the game passed review

I've said multiple times
Yes, I could be an sk by balance, but there must be another mafia member and lynching me is throwing no matter what

[Mathdino]

You don't understand balance around 3rd parties because you haven't given enough shits to go do the research

[Mathdino]

I shouldn't have to convince you of una scum
I should be spending my personal time reading through the game and deciding between you two
I'm not even sure of una scum
You're voting confirmed not mafia on the outside chance there's a 3p and the mod and reviewers are all dumb asses
Have you even ever played an SK game?

[Mathdino]

Have you got much experience of a Vig shooting rogue from the town hive mind of pretty much being set on a particular scum being a succsess? (In this case you not shooting AA9 on everyone’s behalf is almost arrogant - so I’m calling it out as anti town in a massive way)

I didn't read town consensus

Guess what

Most of the townies who wanted aa9 shot were still fucking suspects

Yes I believe in democracy on d1
But this town failed to lynch scum twice, and the democratic shot on voyc also failed

When it's likely that the majority of voices are incompetent or scum, then no, I'm not listening to consensus, I'm listening to my predecessor and myself, WHO IS CONFIRMED TOWN TO ME

[Mathdino]

Yeah, funnily enough it had masons and an odd night commuter

Do the research or get mocked post-game

[Mathdino]

Aa9 felt like a designated mislynch set up by some subset of {Gustavo, Una, profii, Morality}
The day seemed to come to wilky vs aa9
I didn't want to play into scums hands
And scum was townreading morality yet not shooting him

[Mathdino]

Ffs making me do the work for your lazy ass

viewtopic.php?p=9867031#p9867031

THAT WAS A 11P SETUP WITH A WEAKER TOWN THAN WE HAVE THIS GAME
THAT TOWN CAN'T GET GUILTIES ON SCUM, THIS TOWN CAN

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME

[Mathdino]

Nm this town loses to profii in lylo anyway if we no lynch, and he's not gonna vote una

Just lynch profii, it's over

[Mathdino]

My slot flaked out that night lol
A 2 man scumteam would, in that scenario, know that morality is the SK
Because they know there must be an sk for 2p scumteam to make sense

The roleblocker is stronger than the doctor
We're talking about a town with stronger power roles, 2 more VTs, against weaker scum roles, and you still think this could be 2 mafia 1 SK after seeing how weak a town has to be?

Directly compare the town of Godels game to the town this game

[Mathdino]

Nm this town loses to profii in lylo anyway if we no lynch, and he's not gonna vote una

Just lynch profii, it's over

I’ll vote una when you stop throwing game mechanics around and tell me why he is scum

HOLY SHIT I'M NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU
IF YOU USED YOUR BRAIN THIS WOULD BE OBVIOUS

I don't want to have to lynch based on who's going to lynch me
I want to lynch based on my read through, and my read currently sits on you being scum
NM disagrees
This is a convo between me and him, deciding between you two
In no universe am I a viable lynch candidate

[Mathdino]

It's like you want me to play puppetmaster and try to manipulate you and una to vote each other
When I'm trying to play arbiter

[Mathdino]

I never lie about mechanics
I don't understand how you're not concerned about 3 mafia vs 1 SK, in which voting me is still throwing the game to mafia

If you think I'm an sk genuinely, you would no lynch

Since you're not, I can't see you as town here

[Mathdino]

And fuck your "stop talking about game mechanics", you literally asked me for the balance argument and now you have it

viewtopic.php?p=8960189#p8960189

First sk normal I could find
Guess what
Against a stacked town, it has 3 mafia

Your 2 mafia game was balanced because IT HAD. TWO. FEWER. TOWNIES.

[Mathdino]

I mean
I'm good at setup spec and have designed games with 3ps soooo

I'm just saying
The setup you think is happening here, would only have passed review if it were 11p
And even then, it's pretty townsided

[Mathdino]

No, the correct play is for them to crossvote and try to convince town
Town can only win by no lynching again and hoping for a cross shoot

If draws are allowed then yeah they just lynch town and call a draw

[Mathdino]

Mafia can use their abilities and perform the NK on the same night.

It's not unlikely there's a scum rolecop and they already know I'm not sk

[Mathdino]

But you would shoot me as you SR me and then win a 1v1 result with N_M

no, here are the possible situations:

A. I'm town vig vs 3p scumteam.
In this situation, mafia probably has a rolecop and knows I'm town already. So they're just gonna shoot N_M.

B. I'm SK vs 3p scumteam.
In this situation, mafia probably has a rolecop and knows I'm SK. So they have to shoot me.
Honestly, if I were mafia in this situation, I'd probably just straight up claim and work out a deal. The fact that mafia hasn't (and that I haven't tried either) should indicate I'm town.

C. I'm SK vs 2p scumteam (all dead).
In this situation, I'm obviously going to shoot conftown N_M.

[Mathdino]

UNVOTE:
Waiting on nm

[Mathdino]

I'll let you know when I have something to ask

This is honestly probably just gonna turn into a metadive

I no longer believe you shifting to hard defend Not_Mafia is alignment indicative

[Mathdino]

If you wanted to do a fake out why did you vote me and say you'd vote no one else

[Mathdino]

Etc etc

[Mathdino]

I probably won't
Sorry if this is a lame lylo
I'm here because I haven't read the thread

Been busy, will be able to in the next few days

[Mathdino]

god, i'm really sorry guys

if i can still make the decision (i just got wifi back just now)

i'm going to hammer unabombah

i sent this to nexus 2 hours after the deadline passed

i should've predicted the RL circumstances that prevented making the decision, but i didn't
wanted to use that weekend to finalize my readthrough (which was already half done) but yeah i just didn't manage time well

gg, una was actually incredibly good
i'm not really certain who "deserves" this game
apart from kicking myself in the ass for fucking this up for you guys, i'm not totally upset that scum beat town
town was super dysfunctional until the very end, credit to those who successfully tunneled scum