Open 729 - Cul de Sac!

[Mathdino]

VOTE: northsidegal

i'm neighbours with her, i'm around 65% confident she's scum based on the posting

[Mathdino]

Well, mister town, we've reached the showdown.

Who wins is officially outside our control.

[Mathdino]

probably has little to no effect on balance

scumteam is pretty screwed with me/NSG together tho

[Mathdino]

probably has little to no effect on balance

scumteam is pretty screwed with me/NSG together tho

*as long as you're both town.

Honestly, I don't see a reason why outing our neighbours would be harmful but I'm still cautious to do so as I don't see how it would benefit us in any way.

um
no
because if she's scum, i can just read her

and since this is all-vanilla, if i'm scum, i can just be BoP'd upon not getting nightkilled

[Mathdino]

i think people underestimate how much higher EV PTs are for scum than town

VOTE: mutant

scioness's first take was good

[Mathdino]

you know i don't think 2:11 vanilla has ever been won by town on MS

on the other hand, neighbours are clearly higher EV for scum than for town

idk what to make of any of this

i don't think "not using the hoods at all" is the answer

[Mathdino]

There's nothing town ought to talk about in a PT with a random person that wouldnt be better discussed in the open thread

i mean this is straight up super wrong tbh

there's a lot of stuff that i don't like to say in the main thread that i would use a PT for
moreso if i think the other person in the PT is town

the idea that town should just say everything they're thinking all the time as honestly as possible
is both unrealistic and dangerous to effective scumhunting

but none of that matters
do you have reads beyond "fuck PTs"

[Mathdino]

k so you're gonna be condescending/sarcastic about everything, got it

come back when you have sincere lines of questioning

mutant is currently the best wagon, scum-mutant scumtells early and buries you with walls as the day goes on

[Mathdino]

like i do think it warrants a reminder

that towns have literally never won 2:11 all-vanilla

a slight edge in reading certain people is all we have as our advantage
i see not using it as essentially equivalent to throwing in the towel
i didn't sign up to play straight 2:11

[Mathdino]

Wavemode is a godawful wagon and you fuckers gotta stop WKing me

I don't trust him to vote correctly in Lylo but id take him to endgame if it came down to it

And lol wave I never asked who your other neighbour was
I didn't really care

[Mathdino]

Correction, apparently I did ask who your neighbor was
It was extremely late and I forgot whoops

Yeah that explains your vote

[Mathdino]

Mutant is still scum soooooo

[Mathdino]

Almost every fight this game is going to be tvt
2:11 is particularly vulnerable to town tearing itself apart
Good players get NK'd and the players that will choose wrong get taken to endgame

I promise that in endgame I will at the very least vote first
Fact is as town I almost never make it that far without protectives anyway

I don't think anyone else in this playerlist can be BoPd to that extent except for NSG

Everyone who's posted except mutant is town

[Mathdino]

A scumread on wavemode is implicitly a wk of me since I put him in that aggressive position in the first place
And then forgot the thing that actually set him off on me

I'm strongly townreading him
My disagreement is just that I think he's setting himself up for failure

[Mathdino]

Town is ALWAYS better off statistically when we're working together

Counterpoint: towns are shit at the game and "statistically" towns are better sheeping the players with higher historical reads accuracy
And "statistically" towns working together have worse teamwork than the three stooges drunk off their asses

[Mathdino]

Well I'm calling the scumteam as mutant and NSG so I think my views are quite consistent

[Mathdino]

Why
That's an easily readable and easily lynchable team

[Mathdino]

That said Im only good at reading people when other people play the game and give reads without just sheeping me

Where are you at, unreal

@scioness: would you rather have a hard to lynch scumteam or an easy one

[Mathdino]

What about stefanb sets him apart from other players who have offered in depth takes?

[Mathdino]

what does sring mean

Scumreading

[Mathdino]

I can't suspend disbelief
You're still scum and you chose not to vote scum

[Mathdino]

Yall gonna have to explain your votes right quick

[Mathdino]

OK but I'm clearly asking why you guys are scumread UnrealSeal and scioness

[Mathdino]

@invisibility: Yeah and it makes me think you're not town so I would really like to hear your thought process there

@scioness: I agree, that's why NSG is scum

[Mathdino]

You can speak English just fine so you can explain your read on unreal
I would prefer not to see you policy lynched

Tbh I'm peeved scioness answered first because I really didn't need additional readable content there

[Mathdino]

Yeah, and my early d1 read on scioness is always right as shown by newbie 1859 and pick your poison

I don't trust your read or your alignment

[Mathdino]

?????

if you're joking can you stop

Could you explain your scioness read?

[Mathdino]

Trying to figure out whether reads that don't make any sense whatsoever
US a scumtell, nulltell, or towntell for mutant

[Mathdino]

Is autocorrected to US, sorry
That wasn't directed at you

[Mathdino]

my unvote does not represent a townread and i expect better content from mutant today

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Invisibility

[Mathdino]

my PTs are also quiet, i was hoping you guys would have more stuff to share

i still intend to wagon mutant so

[Mathdino]

- TW got popular and people started playing along

- it's literally called mountainous because playing it and trying to win is like trying to climb up a mountain

- i think your concept would work better if PTs "collapsed" so to speak, where lynches create 2 more PTs between remaining players

i'm not demotivated in this game by any means
i'm just honest about what the odds look like when i enter new opens
i would like more people to be voting/interacting i think

[Mathdino]

No i don't remember
I don't see how that assumption counts as a townslip

[Mathdino]

It's a 2 man scumteam
He could easily have just not strategised with a lurker scumpartner

[Mathdino]

You're right
I would accept that as a reason he's not scum with a heavy pre game strategiser
So like me for example

Bayesian only works here because it eliminates a few scumteams

[Mathdino]

Was hard townreading her until you weren't
I don't have a good record on her

[Mathdino]

I HAVE ARRIVED

WHO SHALL FEEL MY WRATH TODAY, HEATHENS

[Mathdino]

VOTE: ArcAngel9

GET FUCKED, UGLYDUCK WAGON, THAT GUY IS TOWN

I HEREBY DECLARE THIS THE COUNTERWAGON TO EVIL MOTHERDUCKERS TRYNA LYNCH MY TOWNREADS

WE LYNCH PEOPLE WHO AREN'T BEING TOWNREAD LET'S GO

[Mathdino]

UglyDuck(3) (L-4): wavemode, BuJaber, ArcAngel9
ArcAngel9 (2) (L-5): northsidegal, wingedcatgirl

Wavemode: definitely town, just with bad reads. It's chill tho
BuJaber: no clue, gun to head town
ArcAngel9: THE PUREST OF COUNTERWAGONS

NSG: will get nightkilled
Wingedcatgirl: i was sure she was scum in Echo Bay SEO so clearly I can't read her.

Can I get opinions on WCG?

[Mathdino]

wingedcatgirl (2) (L-5): StefanB, UnrealSeal

I guess we could lynch here in theory but I like NSG more than I like you sorry

Sell me because aa9 is also a lurker my man

[Mathdino]

Which behavior is more scum indicative to you
There's a reason people lose all vanilla games all the time

[Mathdino]

NSG why am I here why have you summoned me

[Mathdino]

What's our PoE pool looking like
Which townreads can and should we trust thus far

I won't lynch wavemode or UglyDuck

[Mathdino]

NSG why are you not townreading me/why am I in your PoE pool wtf
Also your PoE pool is uncomfortably small, those all seem like lynchbaity people plus me (I'm an odd one out)

And after NSG answers the above
Awoo why are you townreading me

[Mathdino]

Myloninja is my strongest townread.

Myloninja13 is the easiest to sort lynchbait though
The other lynchbait are hard to sort

Answer question pls

[Mathdino]

Awesome thanks
NSG is locktown
You're welcome guys now both my neighbors are sorted

[Mathdino]

I literally stopped playing the game, anyone townreading me in the past 2 days needs to answer for their shit

[Mathdino]

I feel pretty good right now about this game

Scumteam is gonna shit their pants when NSG starts townreading me

AWOO Y U TOWNREAD ME

[Mathdino]

I wish the worst signed up for this game
Game feels wrong, friends are solid motivation

Awoo is scum on our wagon if this is a mislynch

I'm townreading unreal and I agree on mylo

[Mathdino]

Half of those things did not apply when you initially posted your townread of me

Like that stuff JUST happened and the opposite was true at the time of your townread

I could lynch mutant but I'd kinda feel worse about mislynching him than mislynching aa9
He spews his alignment lategame harder than aa9 does

[Mathdino]

The first 3 times I tried that out after team mafia it went very badly

If you have the time I think a better call might be coming up with meta based reads and testing them on people in games you're spectating
Rather than letting it drive your reads crazy on the ones you're active in

Plus Elli does a lot more diving than you think he does
You and i don't have the knowhow to be full Elli

That said I believe I'm easily readable by Ellis method so I recommend doing it on me and to no one else

That way you can at least townbloc me before I get killed tonight instead of after

[Mathdino]

The problem is I don't think your reasons before I was summoned are sufficient and I think putting me where you had me in your reads list is consistent with how scum treat my slot when I'm lurking

I'll explain wavemode when I'm not on mobile, remind me if I forget
You can tell if I'm not on mobile when my phone isn't autocorrecting lower cases to upper cases

[Mathdino]

It's like you're just copying my reads from before I was invested in the game as if that still works on page 15

[Mathdino]

NSG is town
Scum wouldn't out their dayvig by murdering mutant like that in cold blood

[Mathdino]

sup, still kinda bored with this game

- my playstyle has probably changed in the months since we last played a real full game together. if anything i think i was scummier when you were townreading me, and townier when you were scumreading me. i'm biased by what i know i do as town though

- i never said you and scioness were the scumteam, wat? please indicate who you're talking to each paragraph thanks

- there are different kinds of doing nothing. some nothingdoing is scummier than other nothingdoing. appearing active but not really pushing the game in any meaningful way is a major red flag. but being super passive personality-wise is kind of a towntell. (passive people tend to be less passive when they're scum. they find it

freeing

)

- aa9 is a girl

people asked me a bunch of shit that i forgot, reading through tonight

[Mathdino]

okay so i'm in one of those funks where i promise myself that the next thing i'm gonna do for a game is x y and z

but it's really hard for me to bring myself to do x y and z

i'm just not really sure how to sell wavemode-town and uglyduck-town to you guys
but they are my strongest townreads next to NSG and i would be fairly upset if you lynched them anyway

[Mathdino]

8 pages already. Give me time to go over.

lets start with this one VOTE: NSG

No rest for the wicked

Bold prediction: one of arc/ugly is scum.
VOTE: Arc

Scum claim. Nice

VOTE: BuJaber

[snip]

BuJaber (Towny) - Talking, pushing the game with questions.

I hate posts like this. How is Bujaber is towny. He hardly said anything. And since when asking questions and pushing is AI?

VOTE: UglyDuck

literally has 5 posts and 3 awful votes in a row

voting/scumreading NSG based on the first 8 pages is questionable

literally OMGUSing someone

and then hating an actually quite good reads list

and THEN making 2 posts that are solely prod dodging?

AA9 is a liability and is never going to get shot

better off lynching now rather than later

[Mathdino]

okay then give me a better target
i'm not lynching uglyduck when i think i've finally figured out how to read him

also knowing you, you probably think i'm scum for that minicase tbh

[Mathdino]

but they are my strongest townreads next to NSG and i would be fairly upset if you lynched them anyway

you've never been wrong about a townread ?

what special right do you have to tell us not to lynch someone we believe is scum

only because you asked
~95% record in micros/minis based on my personal reads (i.e. not sheeped from other people), and in this setup, everyone is statistically more likely to be town, which should bump that higher

if you can show me that your scumread accuracy is significant enough to trust

your

tells (or that you can read specific players well) i'll defer to you

i'm townreading scioness for example but i've been wrong on scioness before, so i'm not shouting down that lynch because i trust NSG's record on her

but uglyduck i've played with like 3 times now, i think i can claim solid knowledge of him

[Mathdino]

scioness

northsidepal if this came down to a scioness vs a nullread i'd lynch scioness for you, but i have other targets and i'm townreading sci

i'm gonna need you to show me how scioness's play is inconsistent with her towngame

- you said she was fluffy and active lurking, but she was high-content in that newbie scumgame with gemini IIRC. it seems like that's only consistent with her PYP meta

- hasn't she also fluffed/active lurked as town?

[Mathdino]

if you can show me that your scumread accuracy is significant enough to trust your tells (or that you can read specific players well) i'll defer to you

not what i asked. townreads tend to be correct. there's a lot of town and few scum

what i asked is why you don't believe it possible for you to be wrong. because of meta? what is so different here from uglyduck's typical scum game, in your opinion?

i always believe it's possible for me to be wrong, but i'm not going to play the game banking on myself being wrong
like sure i could name a random person in the game and townread them and probably be right
the point is that i've grown to trust my

strong

townreads

i've been hilariously wrong on who to lynch but i haven't been wrong hard-defending someone from being lynched

so if you're psychoanalysing me, it's just that i think it's reasonable for me to trust myself on this one
(again, note that i don't trust myself on scioness, because i have evidence suggesting i shouldn't)

now if you're asking about uglyduck in particular
there's a certain... cadence to his scumplay
he gets combative, he acts like he has something to prove and like he wants to appear like he's present and doing things

but there's no proactivity, there's no real "giving a shit" about the game

he reads this game very strongly like he cares what happens, and that's in line with his towngames from what i've read

[Mathdino]

go meta uglyduck
that describes his general playstyle but applies moreso to his scumgame
try to get a feel for the difference

do the work please if you want to get a more accurate read here

and beside that:

why should i ever be okay with lynching someone i strongly think is town
he's not some anti-town fuck, there's nothing policy lynchable about him and he's producing more content than half the playerlist
the only reason i would ever lynch a strong townread here is to set up a burden of proficiency lynch on someone who is incredibly sure he's scum

you're basically asking me why i'm not just going along with whatever other people's reads are

my response? doing that is how people lose mountainous games. the 6 people who get lynched are the 6 least charismatic people in the playerlist.

if i'm alive, i'll defend uglyduck. and if i die, good townies will know to sheep my townreads.

[Mathdino]

Will get NK'd: Mathdino
Town: NSG, Duck, wavemode

Probtown: Unreal, Mylo
Nulltown: wingedcatgirl

Fuck if I know: Bujaber, Awoo, Scioness

Decent lynches: AA9, Invis, mutant

in theory i have enough townreads for a PoE
...in theory.

[Mathdino]

scioness

northsidepal if this came down to a scioness vs a nullread i'd lynch scioness for you, but i have other targets and i'm townreading sci

i'm gonna need you to show me how scioness's play is inconsistent with her towngame

- you said she was fluffy and active lurking, but she was high-content in that newbie scumgame with gemini IIRC. it seems like that's only consistent with her PYP meta

- hasn't she also fluffed/active lurked as town?

you gonna talk to me NSG

[Mathdino]

I wasn't paying attention to 293 and 333
You know I don't consider "not following up" to be alignment indicative
But yeah those 2 are voteworthy alone

VOTE: Scioness

Give me a lurker lynch if this flips green tomorrow pls

[Mathdino]

Of note
If scioness is doing a significant amount of solving in her pt instead of the main thread for some reason, someone should speak up and probably paraphrase all her posts

[Mathdino]

BuJaber I'm gonna need you to fully list every single source you used to piece together the cul-de-sac

[Mathdino]

BuJaber I'm gonna need you to fully list every single source you used to piece together the cul-de-sac

Not because I care but because I need to read you

[Mathdino]

Math why are you voting, when NSG isn't even voting me?

I'm not gonna vote no one here

And goddamn is aa9 checked completely out of the game

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Mathdino

He is usually more logical towards the game and lousy attempt to lynch the lurker seems very opportunistic and scum motivated.

You've literally only played with me when I was scum

And you're right that I was fairly logical lol

You seem to think there's something illogical about lynching you when your reads and votes are bad and you made 3 posts of content

[Mathdino]

I'm not gonna vote no one here

And goddamn is aa9 checked completely out of the game

So you have nothing but a pl on aa9?

i posted a reads list like last page, go look at it if you want to know what options i have

[Mathdino]

dude what are we even arguing about at this point
it's really starting to feel like you just don't like the way i play and that comes out in condescension

i wrote that post in response to this post

if you think uglyduck hasn't been doing those things this game then i suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. strongly.

but regardless of that, your words were, "but they are my strongest townreads and i would be fairly upset if you lynched them anyway"

we're not running close to deadline and this isn't just a "welp fuck it" lynch. we genuinely believe uglyduck is scum. it shouldn't be upsetting to you for us to lynch someone who, realistically, if kept alive, will have a wagon on them every game day, since such a large number of players scumread them. it should be worthwhile to lynch them to help us sort the game and get rid of them before lylo. so why do you consider uglyduck to be so valuable? do you actually consider it to be a bad lynch from a strategic perspective? and if so why?

- i have played with uglyduck as both alignments. i described to you the difference i see between his towngame and scumgame. you haven't shown that work yet you're still putting the burden on me
ultimately this is going to come down to "is wavemode better at catching scum than mathdino is at catching town"
because, again, he's tied for

top townread

- you think i shouldn't be upset about lynching town?

- the point is i don't WANT uglyduck to have a wagon on him every fucking game day, that's why i'm shouting he's town so much

- it's not worthwhile to lynch town, no

- i consider uglyduck valuable because he's producing content and because he's town?

like there are townies out there that i would lynch despite townreading them
because i feel like their lynch will improve the game

and there's no difference in my mind between asking me to calm down and stop townreading uglyduck, and asking me to vote uglyduck
you might not be asking me to throw my hat in
but you are asking me to be complicit and go along with it with some lame appeal to popularity
"we believe [x], mathdino, why is this upsetting to you"

[Mathdino]

Welcome to the townbloc

I'm not actually neighbors with NSG btw, that was a meme

[Mathdino]

Dude then vote scioness omg

What is wrong with this town

[Mathdino]

Scioness why is NSG wrong about you
Of all people onsite I'd expect NSG to be most accurate in reading you
What's she getting wrong

[Mathdino]

Aa9 you do realize that repeatedly getting pissed off at towns and then replacing out
Is not how to gain reputation
You make yourself unreadable because you just react the same way as either alignment

It's all AtE

[Mathdino]

Like you act like people are shit for scumreading you when the fact is you barely post, you don't post reasons, you switched your vote in the same wallpost

There's nothing you've done this game that scum you wouldn't do
So ffs just do more

[Mathdino]

It's not, but you agree that voting you ideally motivates you to actually do something

You made 2 prod dodge posts in a row
Had I been modding you'd be replaced already

It's a case of "i wouldn't mind seeing town aa9 die if she's not going to do shit" combined with "I'm townreading a bunch of other people and she hasn't done anything town"

Like ffs aa9 you just got through mislynching me while I was sick without talking to me at all in Newbie Seaside
And then you had the nerve to blame your bad reads on me

You play very selfishly
I voted you without talking to you because it takes way too long to get a hold of you anyway
I'm asking you to please stop playing this way

Write a reads list or something, take a stance and stop AtEing

[Mathdino]

Are you actually reading the game

I had literally 100% accurate reads in that game and you mislynched me without talking to me while I literally could not respond

Does it look like im mislynching you

Read the fucking thread

[Mathdino]

...

And you guys wonder why I'm checked out of this game

[Mathdino]

and here i thought this game would be boring

It still is
This is not an interesting gamestate by any metric

[Mathdino]

BuJaber she's English second language, her outbursts always feel fake
Help me put some ass behind a scioness wagon

[Mathdino]

However if I were scum and she were town she'd be someone I'd be inclined to make a fake case against specifically because of her vagueness and the way she asks questions.

This basically is telling me scum NSG is trying to get me to mislynch scioness for her

And no I'm not neighbors with her, I wanted to see who would sheep me if I claimed she scumtold in the PT

I think NSG thought I was reaction testing her and has been annoyed since

[Mathdino]

I'm a little peeved with NSG for this gamestate

Like I recognize that not voting is a style and works when the town can kind of run and wagon by itself

But that's not happening, and this town has essentially 0 direction or unity

And I can't exactly push a case when NSG isn't even doing shit herself

NSG please vote ffs this is the one kind of gamestate where you need to be voting

[Mathdino]

What motivation does scum have to lie
I lied

[Mathdino]

I don't see what's relevant then about what you'd do as scum when you're town...

[Mathdino]

Then why did you unvote
I don't care if you lynch aa9
I'm just getting a kick out of aa9 blaming me for her mislynch when I wasn't even on it

[Mathdino]

Awoo if you're townreading me you should be townreading UglyDuck by extension

I would rather have respect than free townreads

[Mathdino]

Awoo if you're townreading me you should be townreading UglyDuck by extension

it continues to baffle me that an experienced player can make statements like this in good faith

I make statements that help me win games

My regrets when scum win are usually that I didn't defend town hard enough

[Mathdino]

Like you seem like the kind of person that lynches people that I say are town being like "math you can't possibly have good reason to think UglyDuck is town"
And then blames the mislynch on the lynchee instead of taking responsibility for your reads

If I'm right, this is gonna be a long game

If someone is in my top 3 town, people lynching them have no knowledge of my reads accuracy

[Mathdino]

NSG if you're town you're seriously dropping the ball

I can't push this shit alone

What are you doing this game

[Mathdino]

I'm policy lynching aa9 if it comes down to the wire

If she can't pay enough attention to the game to even notice who's voting who, she's not worth the effort

Fucking do something, people
UglyDuck get on scioness

[Mathdino]

I admit I'm softening to the idea of nsg lynch especially when I see Dino so eagerly trying to appease her; but I still would prefer we wait until day 2 or 3 for that as it is objectively better for sorting nsg.

I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm starting to want to policy lynch NSG

This is messed up

I'm doing this appeasement because her and my combined reads have delivered 2 perfect wins in a row in the open queue
I don't really strongly trust anyone else in this list

I don't need her to townread me
I'm gonna be in her PoE pool until I get NK'd
But I do need her to play the game, especially after calling me out for not playing

[Mathdino]

Like she's scumreading scioness but doing fuckall to actually test that scumread

She's either incompetent at basic townplay this game or I was wrong earlier

[Mathdino]

"Self meta is a towntell" lolwut nsg.

I wouldn't call it a scumtell but it definitely isn't a towntell.

you're straight up wrong. i don't care about wording this any other way.

I have no idea how you are able to put mylo/catgirl in any category that isn't null or lynchable. They're not even your neighbors. Do you have a telepathic read on them?

meta him

this isn't a "meta him he's obvious town", this is me saying that i think you should look at his town meta and scum meta and tell me how you think it compares to this game

Wtf are these nothingposts

This isn't the MD

[Mathdino]

My paranoia is that she's avoiding being BoPd on how generally good she is at reading scioness

[Mathdino]

imo, comapred to Seal Invis looks batter. Seal has been only popping in to comment on hot topics. Invis at least keep us updated with his reads.

This isn't alignment indicative, this is playstyle indicative

I expect town to comment on hot topics, i don't expect most newer players to drive the game themselves

[Mathdino]

I'm not saying we should scumread her yet, it is too soon for that, but we are at a critical junction and when she is influencing your voting decisions without actually being here and participating my alarm bells start ringing.

Either she's scum or she's town and her reads are trustworthy

I'm absolutely giving benefit of the doubt

You don't have to post a lot to have good reads

But you do have to be present to not be shit at the game

[Mathdino]

If you really think she can be bop on my slot then we should flip me.

That's the thing
Im not sure i do
But I think she might expect me to BoP her on you and that's why she's hesitant to lynch you

[Mathdino]

(i also think this was probably you testing to see how i'd react to being incompetent, but that could just be me thinking (hoping?) that you're not actually calling me incompetent)

Why am I so fucking bad at reaction tests

I don't think I'm a bad actor, I can lie just fine as scum

Smh

[Mathdino]

I'm on record in my neighbor PT for not actually scumreading NSG, she called it

I still think she's super obvtown although I do lowkey think I was right about her being afraid to be wrong on scioness

Glad we have functionality returned

Sheep me, flip sci

[Mathdino]

My townbloc is NSG, BuJaber, UglyDuck, and wavemode in descending order

Sheeping gives me town Myloninja13
And a weak read gives me town UnrealSeal

I'd like you guys to lynch invisibility eventually

[Mathdino]

give me time to at least write things down? i have to ask hws something.

unless you think those are irrelevant.

You do you, I'll unvote if a hammer seems imminent

Whatcha asking

[Mathdino]

Scioness's neighbors should be speaking up about now

[Mathdino]

btw - Math tell me what you would do d2 assuming you are alive and I have flipped town.

"if NSG is alive by lylo and has repeatedly driven mislynches, lynch her

We should lynch invisibility today, maybe mutant

Fuck both your d1 wagons, the gamestate felt like a double town wagon

Only lynch aa9 if she's actively being a dingus"

[Mathdino]

@Dino - what's your definition of "actively"? Can we treat your vote as Aa9 passing that line already?

I'm not voting aa9 yet she's convinced herself that I have
I only voted her when she had 3 content posts
Haven't voted her since

If her bad voting and inability to follow the game starts seriously hurting town then I wouldn't mind a policy lynch for unreadability

[Mathdino]

If sajj flips town I'm considering this wagon a scumclaim by nsg. And if she is then I'm finally alive in a game to witness it. Her scumgame is evidently top notch if this is how she builds fake cases. I have only seen her lurking side.

I don't think a single post in this paragraph is right, maybe only the last one.

Oh yeah lol

BuJaber go meta her recent scumgames

It's good but not top notch

It's by no means a scumclaim, I wasn't being entirely honest in proposing we just flip sci to read NSG

[Mathdino]

Sci you're in a state where you need to blame someone for your lynch
I agree she's more likely to be scum if you're town but that doesn't mean d2 lynching there is the right idea
NSG is very read-as-you-go

Along those lines, scum NSG has previously killed me while I was townreading her so while I expect you guys not to lynch UglyDuck, wave, or BuJaber, I don't expect 100% sheeping on NSG
Figure it out as you go

[Mathdino]

Sci suppose you and NSG are tvt tearing each other apart

Then what

[Mathdino]

can you not say things like this? like, could you put a bit more into reading me before the day ends?

I already did
I think you're town and think you'll get NK'd before lylo anyway if scum is smart

[Mathdino]

other people need to know that

Town you is capable of defending yourself from a lynch just fine without me

Scum you, not as much

[Mathdino]

Can you case seal
I only have a weak read on him

[Mathdino]

partition mafia.

You weren't the only one being lynched there

Plus there were 3 scum controlling the board

[Mathdino]

UNVOTE:

[Mathdino]

NSG do you seriously think this brinksmanship is still scum wtf

[Mathdino]

Not once have I scumread scioness personally all game
I'm sheeping you based on your success our last 2 games

But come on dude

There have to be better targets to flashwagon
And no I'm not biting on the NSG lead

[Mathdino]

Fuck that
VOTE: mutant

My lynchpool is aa9, mutant, and invisibility

Fuck NSG, fuck scioness, and that entire 1v1 that revived the game only to fire bomb it

Everyone post their acceptable lynches and their availability next 2.5 days

I'm not lynching UglyDuck and I will hammer scioness over him

[Mathdino]

This isn't a reaction test

I didn't like your catchup and you're the only wagon I genuinely believe is all town

Gimme a lynchpool

Edit : see that doesn't help your case lol

[Mathdino]

it's not that it hurts me emotionally
i actually hate it and lowkey find it policy lynchable (the only reason i'm not policying it is that there are more policy-worthy players in this list)

it's that she literally just straight up asked for a hammer from someone, with no reason to think that someone else would be online to get cold feet and unvote

pintu in 714 was different, and he was also working to cause a mislynch that day and fuck his team's associatives before he died

[Mathdino]

and there's a scumclaim

nsg i really do not believe you have good reads this game

[Mathdino]

god i just fit the stereotypical "jump off a mislynch after i started it and preemptively blame the people on it" scumstrat

fml

[Mathdino]

i tried to lynch aa9 who was in your poe pool

you were like nope

i was like gimme someone better

you were like "scioness" and then literally did not vote while i pushed a phantom case

i'm apparently still in your poe pool despite being more pro-town than i generally am as scum (jumping off mislynches is a general scumtell but not a me scumtell)

i'm not totally sure you actually have other scumreads, or care about generating other scumreads
or care about tiered townreads?

you seem to be playing stubborn-nsg more than gamesolve-nsg

[Mathdino]

god i just fit the stereotypical "jump off a mislynch after i started it and preemptively blame the people on it" scumstrat

since when is that a scum strat in real life

can you point to somewhere someone did that as scum so i can laugh at them

also, VOTE: unrealseal

i got nothing off the top of my head
i don't mislynch enough people on D1 to see that kind of strat too often

and invisibility hammered

[Mathdino]

maybe that tell died before 2017

regardless how is unreal scummier to you than invis's naked hammer

[Mathdino]

here's my "hot take" scum poe (probably shouldn't put much weight into this, just kind of what i'm thinking right now)

Scioness Sajj
Mathdino
wingedcatgirl
Invisibility
ArcAngel9

i guess i'd take wingedcat out of this (for now)

i was just kind of writing off stefan as town so for the sake of just being sure i guess i'd put awoo back in

apart from that i think i'm good

this is your last PoE pool and you haven't updated it since
other than refusing to help me lynch AA9

usually you update it when you change it but you've spent all your time wasting 2 pages walling scioness

and usually you DO have other scumreads ffs

and yet you ask me to go through the effort of defending you harder for the situation in which scioness flips town?
rather than actually helping the game by giving more reads? or a read on me?

[Mathdino]

upon reconsideration, i would be willing to lynch awoo and wingedcatgirl as well

i'm still not sold on unrealseal

[Mathdino]

scioness if i truly thought nsg was scum on your townflip, i would be lynching you in order to one-two BoP her
i've done that before, only unsuccessfully because i got NK'd before i had the chance to BoP someone

i don't think that though
there's a difference between "NSG with super solid reads" and "NSG on a bad tunnel" and i'm starting to think it's the latter

[Mathdino]

You haven't really answered my question in this post but I guess it implies that you just blatantly want me dead instead of actually trying to progress a read on me?

we have 2 days, i'm not going to go around utility voting lol

i vote people for 3 reasons
- scumread
- policy lynch (or shit play)
- reaction test

i'm scumreading you

[Mathdino]

i vote people for 3 reasons
- scumread
- policy lynch (or shit play)
- reaction test

i'm scumreading you

You scum read me last game -.-

Next game, please stop pretending you can read me.

i ultimately ended up townreading you

and i scumread you when you were actually scum

i'm capable of identifying your towntells but you didn't drop any in PYP X/Y D1 and you haven't dropped any here

this is also a different gamestate to PYP, you should have more freedom to post here with the lesser aggressiveness/spam

[Mathdino]

Also, do I come across as aggressive this game? Because whilst I don't feel scummy, I certainly feel aggressive with a lot of what I write. Maybe that's what's confusing you.

i specifically mean that other players are less aggressive/spammy so you should have more space to be yourself than in a game with eddie cane, simyk, and the worst controlling the board

[Mathdino]

scioness if i truly thought nsg was scum on your townflip, i would be lynching you in order to one-two BoP her
i've done that before, only unsuccessfully because i got NK'd before i had the chance to BoP someone

i don't think that though
there's a difference between "NSG with super solid reads" and "NSG on a bad tunnel" and i'm starting to think it's the latter

I don't care what you think of her and I don't know why I should. It upsets me every time I see her mention my meta. She won't stop doing that.

I had to put up with this shit with oxy. I'm not putting up with it here.

except oxy was town every time he pulled that shit...

[Mathdino]

My lynchpool is aa9, mutant, and invisibility

AA9 Is more of a potential policy thing, right? (I remember you mentioning you actually think they are kinda town but are prepared to lynch them). If my interpretation of that is correct, then you think invisibility is my scum partner right?

i have a 1/66 chance of correctly guessing the scumteam

i find scum first and then i find associations

correctly finding a scum/scum pairing is much more difficult in 11:2

[Mathdino]

aka "any one of these people could be scum, along with awoo and WCG, who are lesser scumreads, and unreal, who's kind of at a null"

[Mathdino]

Holy balls I guess I'm sure now

[Mathdino]

VOTE: AA9
Seems incapable of being in sync with the game

[Mathdino]

UNVOTE:

Have you yet noticed that our entire lynchpool is on this wagon

[Mathdino]

UglyDuck is also refusing to lynch scioness keep in mind

Scum him would've voted by now

[Mathdino]

A lynch

[Mathdino]

That said, right now I could lynch duck or dino.

What is this flummery

[Mathdino]

I literally asked him to join the scioness wagon multiple times

[Mathdino]

I'll go seal just to remove that avenue from the game
I don't have a great argument for seal town

[Mathdino]

Seal gonna flip town

VOTE: Invisibility

[Mathdino]

Aa9 still can't play mafia

[Mathdino]

I don't even know anymore
She usually flakes out entirely

[Mathdino]

Gonna need everyone to agree to lynch scioness in lylo unless we get specific scumflips that indicate otherwise

[Mathdino]

I'm going to be dead by lylo anyway, that's the point
If I'm alive with scioness in lylo different story

[Mathdino]

I'm inactive rn but UglyDuck is town and that's a terrible vote

[Mathdino]

We should be wagoning mutant
Seal is also an okay choice

[Mathdino]

I don't really have my bearings
I'll get to stuff asked of me tomorrow

[Mathdino]

And this is why mountainous games are always lost
I'm neighbors with UglyDuck, my townread is genuine and I don't believe his pt behavior is within his scumrange

[Mathdino]

As in I'm not just defending him because I want a neighbor

[Mathdino]

How about seal or aa9

[Mathdino]

VOTE: AA9

I can't wait for the THAT WAGON ROSE TOO FAST

Despite the fact that UglyDuck had no counterwagons and I'm the only one who gives a shit about defending him

[Mathdino]

I'm here, sorry, I'm moving

[Mathdino]

Wait please tell me no one hammered yet

[Mathdino]

I need to post content

UglyDuck is town, I'm gonna paraphrase the pt if he hasn't already

Lacking any other sensible lynch targets, Scioness should still be an option
Brinksmanship might be in her scumrange?

Anyway check my site activity I literally got prodded sitewide
I'm moving down the street
Sorry for not declaring vla

[Mathdino]

Spoiler: In case anyone thought I'm above gloating... I'm not

i'm still loling

gj town thanks for ignoring my bullshit and winning an all-vanilla game somehow

i really suck at neighbour games apparently

[Mathdino]

Pedit: lmao Math was far off and it surprised me. Town MVP was BuJaber and later Wave

both made themselves incredibly obvious town (in the public thread) independent of their own meta

UD had a solid intuition for how to privately pocket me and his meta isn't really that distinguishable

i think there was a point where i was trying to fit the meta-evidence to my read rather than reading objectively based on the evidence

maybe i just didn't want to be frozen out of the PT mechanic, who knows

but yeah i got hit by bias hard, first dead wrong strong townread in a while

[Mathdino]

i meant that bujaber and wavemode made themselves active and obvtown, and that's a major part of why they were MVPs

i agree that WCG wasn't that townish and that lavos played excellently (until his association with UD fucked him over)

[Mathdino]

i fucking knew lavos was an alt but i thought it was eddie cane