Open 729 - Cul de Sac!

[Scioness Sajj]

What I mean is, ud apparently said something really towny but I still don't know what

[Scioness Sajj]

Without giving away too many details (just cuz idk how my neighbor feels about me giving away details)...
I was quiet in the hood for like half the first day. I was pretty much as sure as I could be that Math was Town, and assumed he would die at night. So I offered up an idea that was supposed to kind of help him not get sheeped so much (I guess that is the best way of putting it).

The plan never really took place tbh. Pretty much all that happened was I admitted that I thought he was town and then presented my idea... his response to my idea was essentially "you are not a good enough skum player to do this as skum".

What was the idea?

[Scioness Sajj]

@replacments

are you guys still reading the game or can we progress?

[Scioness Sajj]

re setup - we can maybe ask but since it's open i think it was just a typo. ie it's 10:2.

[Scioness Sajj]

OK, lets try it then. VOTE: tornaga

there's a typo

VOTE: toranaga

here you go

[Scioness Sajj]

UNVOTE: toranaga

[Scioness Sajj]

UNVOTE: toranaga

Why?

MFW when strong townreads force me to reconsider.

You either didn't realize that you put Tora at L-2 when you voted which is scummy... or you're changing your mind that quickly based on things tora would be saying regardless of alignment.

i have bad news for you

i didn't make the connection aa9 = toranaga and i don't like him as a lynchable wagon anymore

[Scioness Sajj]

you are stressing me out lol

this page from tora is fine imo. i am extremely indifferent about Lavos so i would like to go there, but that requires some rereading. seal has been wagoned yet again today but it resolved quickly.

who and why is townreading mylo?

i need to rethink but awoo still may be an okay wagon.

[Scioness Sajj]

Uh oh what's happening

[Scioness Sajj]

UNVOTE:
Good.

I have no scum reads and a few sort of town reads and a few town reads. FUCK

Make a read list poe it down?

[Scioness Sajj]

Where is wave I need some input on replacements

I don't feel the case on lavos

I think I will read today and got back to you

[Scioness Sajj]

[Scioness Sajj]

I have read like 15 pages and

Mutant town
BuJaber town
Lavos probably town but it feels weird because we didn't really talk idk
The rest is meh or forgotten

So that's more or less {duck, dog, seal} I think

[Scioness Sajj]

Also if it isn't even more abundantly clear that duck/aa9 contains 1 scum

I don't think it's wise to lynch ugly duck before Math is dead.

Can you explain this one please sorry I missed it.

Fact: Mathdino is town reading Uglyduck.
Fact: Mathdino has accurate town reads.

Regardless of what Uglyduck flip, I don't think this would tell us anything about Math.
However, a Math town flip probably means Uglyduck is town.

So I'd be more comfortable lynching Math first before Uglyduck. That said, it's too early to lynch Math.

I don't believe this bs theory that Math is scum with Uglyduck due to how obvious the white knighting is. I don't think scum!Math would do that.

[Scioness Sajj]

i lied about reading 15 pages it were like 5 or so

[Scioness Sajj]

unless it's mutant/duck i don't think he would suggest this

[Scioness Sajj]

Idk, when you say "I'm not really playing the game or reading it and I don't have real reads" three times in two consecutive posts it starts to feel fake and planned

I don't see where I did that 3 times in 2 posts so I'm assuming you are just being hyperbolic about how I keep stating I'm not currently interested in this game in the slightest. Maybe I keep stating that because people keep expecting me to have content.

hmmm this looks bad though, people expect you to have input because a game is progressing.

[Scioness Sajj]

like mutant's answer makes me think Lavos is right more than mutant previous posts

[Scioness Sajj]

unless it's mutant/duck i don't think he would suggest this

unless he wants UD in lylo

[Scioness Sajj]

o exciting

let me check if i already voted one of them

[Scioness Sajj]

was about to hammer
by my count you have 3 votes

[Scioness Sajj]

Are there mistakes last vc?

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: Mutant

Why the fuck are you voting for me? I would not expect this from you Mylo.

Oh no the betrayal

[Scioness Sajj]

sigh

VOTE: almost50

[Scioness Sajj]

consider me v/la until a50 is out of this game

[Scioness Sajj]

great progression you got there

[Scioness Sajj]

If you're between Awoo and UglyDuck, I'd be fine to sheep you on Awoo

is it really sheeping if you have a preference?

[Scioness Sajj]

I wanted to check the flip :/
What are you doing

[Scioness Sajj]

It was plural you, BuJaber. Wasn't really talking to you

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: awoo

btw ugly talked about self hammer not vote

[Scioness Sajj]

that's l-1

[Scioness Sajj]

why is a50 alive

why is bujabber dead

why are replacements townreading me so strongly

why

[Scioness Sajj]

don't tell me what to do

VOTE: uglyduck

[Scioness Sajj]

you have never said anything about it

[Scioness Sajj]

you have never said anything about it

meaning: i want you to talk about it now

[Scioness Sajj]

Maybe he can articulate it better now since he is mentioning it again

Will it hurt to see?

[Scioness Sajj]

no

i was just correcting you, he has indeed talked about it

Sorry, my memory isn't so good

[Scioness Sajj]

Well, sorry mutant can't really work with this.

[Scioness Sajj]

duck/mutant seems plausible

taking a50 to mylo/lylo/whatever is a suicide

[Scioness Sajj]

UD, you have confused Toranaga with A50. Toranaga replaced AA9, A50 replaced Math.

[Scioness Sajj]

2) Bujaber is dead. So Almost(Math) is alive and instead a Skum team that consists of me decides to kill the #1 person pushing my case from D1 (maybe tied for #1). I get that there is like a super sick WIFOM case there to be made, but I honestly have no issue pointing out that I just am not a good enough player to pull that off.

to pull what of exactly? kill somebody that suspects you?

3) People that I have defended - NSG, Almost(Math), Scioness, Tor(AA9), Lavos(WCG). People that have defended me - Math, Lavos.

The Tor/AA9 slot as skum would never want to kill me, but they would want to push my lynch.

The Almost/Math slot as skum would never want to kill me, but they would want to push my lynch - because of the sub in meta. Let's be honest, if I flip green, and Math was still in play, he would lynch next day if there were still two skum alive. However, because of the sub, and the switch in reads, it creates a different situation.

What different situation this create and what switch in reads you are referring to?

Scioness as skum would never want to kill me, but they would want to push my lynch - because it is one more day they fly under the radar before the Tor/Math vs Scioness decision get got to. IMO with BuJaber and NSG dead it is essentially impossible that both Scioness and Tor/Math are skum.

Why not? Also what do you mean by tor/math vs scioness situation?

While it does not seem characteristic of Math to defend me the way he did, I do not know why he would of as skum. But then Tor subs in and switches gears. This is EXACTLY what anyone would do as skum in this slot. You lose out on the Math credibility (so you are no longer unlynchable), and then the switch in reads is both different and supported by the current overall optinon of the player base.

Math was replaced by a50.

It probably is not - Mutant!Seal, Scioness!Almost, Almost!Seal
Although, you will probably find skum within [Mutant, Seal, Scioness, Almost].
I am town reading Mylo and Lavos pretty hard.
I honestly do not know what to think of WaveMode.

weren't you townreading wave? what has changed?

[Scioness Sajj]

Tora???

[Scioness Sajj]

do you really think 1506 is good?

[Scioness Sajj]

how do you people think about UD dodging an explanation on wave

[Scioness Sajj]

C. I moved you to null because I find your recent play less towny then it previously was.

this is your explanation?

[Scioness Sajj]

you call this an explanation?

[Scioness Sajj]

explanation?

[Scioness Sajj]

wow okay fine

this is confscum like tell me it's not

[Scioness Sajj]

not to mention UD has ignored my post with questions but engaged wave

[Scioness Sajj]

and no this is not lurky town that doesn't know what to do

or how to play the game

[Scioness Sajj]

if 1521 wasn't clear enough 1523 was.

but keep going

[Scioness Sajj]

i meant your explanation on your read on wave.

keep going means you said you had to do some meta dive and come back to us.

[Scioness Sajj]

it's not really, i'm waiting for the content you promised to deliver about tora/a50. you could have misunderstand what i was referring in 1520 but 1523 was clear enough, yet you still didn't address it. why has your read on wave changed?

sure

[Scioness Sajj]

Some thoughts:

1) Almost(Math) is alive. First off, after my last encounter with Math I can tell you that I would of never let him live past night one in the first place. Assuming most people will eyeroll that - why would Skum!UD not kill Almost last night? If I were skum, then literally all of the benefits of keeping that slot alive pretty much dissipated the second Math subbed out.

in all of this wifom:
1st sentence: scum!UD would kill math N1
2nd and 3rd: why wouldn't scum UD kill A50 now, since any benefits from keeping Math alive disappeared when Math subbed out.
So apparently they were/are some benefits for scum UD to keep math/a50 alive, huh?

But for real real though - that plus the fact that skum!me would assumedly know that Alomst/Math would flip green and then people would inevitably go back to Math's reads... the best defense I can state is that the fact that Almost is alive really should just assure most people I am town.

Math started defending you early D1. A50 also does defends you now.
Your best defense is a narrative about how scumUD would kill people that townread and defend him.

2) Bujaber is dead. So Almost(Math) is alive and instead a Skum team that consists of me decides to kill the #1 person pushing my case from D1 (maybe tied for #1). I get that there is like a super sick WIFOM case there to be made, but I honestly have no issue pointing out that I just am not a good enough player to pull that off.

What are you not good enough to do? Kill the most town read person that also suspects you? How can this be above anybody's capability?

point 3 has too many mistakes to mention but it also just another narrative.

it's day 3, you still don't interact with people, you don't post reads, you only appear in the game summary narratives and vote. you go straight to the defense that is heavily based on 'i wouldn't do that as scum'. there is no addressing points that people have said earlier about you, there is no asking why people scum read you.
you didn't scumhunt this game at all, your explanation to not town reading wave anymore was 'he is less towny' you still didn't explain why nor did you said anything before about why wave isn't town read of your before.

[Scioness Sajj]

Still no explanation on the wave read drop

[Scioness Sajj]

oh wow so much screaming

let me think

[Scioness Sajj]

a50>lavos>>>US>mutant

[Scioness Sajj]

US, are you that confident in A50 or that worried about Mylon?

[Scioness Sajj]

I also don't really get what you mean by worried about Mylo? Worried he's town? Not really, as he's not that helpful anyways.

i ugh asked from my pov i guess

worried that he will make wrong decision in mylo, in your post it sounded to me like policy.
unless you scumread him?

[Scioness Sajj]

I thought you were scumreading me?
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In other news, i think I should reconsider a 50

[Scioness Sajj]

So you don't have your own reads okay

[Scioness Sajj]

Exactly

[Scioness Sajj]

lol

[Scioness Sajj]

ugh you people gotta read the game

bujabber - awoo - me - wave - a50 - ugly

nsg - mylo

i don't remember more but p sure they are int the thread

[Scioness Sajj]

o, here we go and i think lavos said something about dead people

duck - a50 - wave - scion - awoo - bu- seal - mutant(?) - invis - lavos - nsg - mylo - tora

here you go. not sure about invis <-> mutant

[Scioness Sajj]

here
you
go

[Scioness Sajj]

do we want to end the day already

[Scioness Sajj]

i'd like last words from lavos if they have any

[Scioness Sajj]

Oh lol gg

[Scioness Sajj]

I wasn't really suspecting you but then I ISOed BuJaber and tora and you started making sense to me as scum.
And there was really no reason to doubt wave before your flip imo

[Scioness Sajj]

I mean I'm pretty easy to read on my main so I'd imagine I'm still easy enough to read here? even if I'm trying to use a different style the content is the same. and I've definitely like done stuff already.

I wouldn't consider you as scum with Seal until lylo after iso'ing you

Oh yeah here it is.

That post made me think you are Skitter lol