Open 729 - Cul de Sac!

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I don't exactly like Mathdino running around shouting "WOE IS TOWN, WE ARE ALL DOOMED, 2;11 WILL CLAIM OUR SOULS" but his concerns seem to be coming from a town point of view.

VOTE: wavemode gives me bad vibes so I'll just park this here

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Town is ALWAYS better off statistically when we're working together

Counterpoint: towns are shit at the game and "statistically" towns are better sheeping the players with higher historical reads accuracy
And "statistically" towns working together have worse teamwork than the three stooges drunk off their asses

this is a good point and one only needs to look at myself to prove it

VOTE: mutantdevle

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hard to read currently, most peoples post currently is RVS silliness and i'm bad at reading in general. call me again when I can deathtunnel someone

I like StefanB's posting though, I think he's town.

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what does sring mean

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why do people use all these fucking nonsense abbreviations these days BACK IN MY DAY...

but serious talk, it's one part the fact that Stefan actually answered wavemode's question and in an in-depth way. The other part is just gut honestly.

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I can barely understand that post math, lol.

I assume you're asking what I think of mutant and I'd give mutant a nulltell. I didn't like his vote on wavemode and his "gut read" but I don't think he'd stick with it like he's doing now if he was scum.

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Is autocorrected to US, sorry
That wasn't directed at you

ok autocorrect i can understand but why did you hit enter between whatsoever and is.

git gud at phoneposting scrublord

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Okie dokie catch up done:
UnrealSeal (Skummy) - Just a few posts, but the first one is sarcastic disagreement with Math's "2v11 we are all doomed" post, but also finds Math towny for it. And then the very next post is them agreeing with Math that "Town plays shitty, and using the hoods to try and work together is a horrible idea". Not to be whatever, but it came off to me almost like "sheeping Math's ideas" if that makes sense? As Math is gonna come up with a lot of ideas, being on the bandwagon early is probably advantageous from a skum perspective (speaking from experience on that one, bc the alternative sure as shit doesn't work). Oh also, the peace out RVS post really rubbed me the wrong way.
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You read my first post wrong or maybe I wrote it badly.

I disagreed with Math essentially spouting a doomsday prophecy, he put a lot of emphasis on the fact that town had never won 2:11 Mountainous and from my point of view this wasn't exactly a good thing to go around saying since it might drive some people to put less effort into the game.

At the same time, the fact that he was concerned about it at all seemed townish to me, and his tone and wording seemed to come from a Town PoV.

Also, Math never claimed using the hoods to work together was a bad idea (see post 41 and post 48 and essentially his entire argument with wavemode).

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wait when did I say I was backing out of RVS.

i'm actually confused by this.

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I assume you refer to the "call me again when I can deathtunnel" which was in fact a joke my dude.

you are also ignoring the two other posts before that in which I participated in RVS

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Read some ISOs. Got some feels.

that's not really elaboration I was looking for

That seemed likely. It's what I have.

(1)I'm still only half-here, honestly, so right now I'm mainly trying to make sure I don't fall out of the game entirely.

Anyway, with the last few pages in account I'm gonna UNVOTE:

(2)VOTE: ArcAngel9

. I dislike 244 in particular.

1: A prod dodge that she actively admits to

2: a weak ass opportunistic vote with little reasoning.

in a game with no PR's

VOTE: wingedcatgirl

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Read some ISOs. Got some feels.

that's not really elaboration I was looking for

That seemed likely. It's what I have.

(1)I'm still only half-here, honestly, so right now I'm mainly trying to make sure I don't fall out of the game entirely.

Anyway, with the last few pages in account I'm gonna UNVOTE:

(2)VOTE: ArcAngel9

. I dislike 244 in particular.

1: A prod dodge that she actively admits to

2: a weak ass opportunistic vote with little reasoning.

in a game with no PR's

VOTE: wingedcatgirl

That's a reach. I don't mean "I'm trying not to get replaced for inactivity", I mean "I'm trying not to lose track of the game, which I have noticed happens much more often when I lurk without posting".

So you admit to lurking? I also checked and your not in any other games. So you mean to imply that you consciously choosing to lurk?

That's in an interesting choice in a game where we are in practice all VT's

[UnrealSeal]

but maaaaaaaaaath

why can't we lynch winged

i don't like lurkers in my mountainous games

[UnrealSeal]

I mean, we can lynch both. AA9 looks like she's at least trying to provide content, WCG literally just sheeps (she voted NSG after Invis did the same) without providing any real content.

Like, I sheeped you but at least I am trying to play the game.

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really I just want to lynch all lurkers. i've never seen any reason to lurk in an all VT game.

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I suppose you have a point

VOTE: ArcAngel9

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AA - obv not

not to be pedantic here but if AA gets put to L-1 and she's scum she would probably self-hammer.

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I mean, if it came to AA9 or me, then yeah I will pick AA9.

I look skummy because I am me and I have looked skummy in every game I have ever played. So a wagon starts. Then skum makes a counter wagon on a lurker, which the tards will eat up. One of us is lynched. Tomorrow there will be some random case on another person, then the next it will switched back to the alive member.

Also, you are town so can we stop arguing please?

this post is so awful lol. overly self-preservative, defending yourself with meta, and trying to stifle discussion by calling the other guy town.

new theory: both uglyduck and AA9 are scum

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I've been following along and reading but things have been hectic and I haven't been able to forumlate a good response, especially since a lot of discussion right now are meta discussions that I'm not very qualified to enter.

@Wavemode, I disagree entirely with Uglyduck as the D1 lynch. He's definitely quite scummy but AA9 has clearly stopped giving a shit about solving the game at this point and is focused on being combative and defensive as possible.

Notice that as more townies butt heads with each she's taken the chance to sink back into to obscurity and is lurking again. This is trademark scum play.

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which... she did become super active when people started voting her, and she overblew her reaction to the point of absurdity.

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Yes, and during that time she made no effort to actually solve the game. She simply focused on covering her own ass.

She has also gone back to lurking again after other discussions have cropped up and other wagons try to form. I've seen scum do this shit before. This is exactly what Creature did to me in Micro 807. While I regret my play in that game, you can you see the similarities. I call Creature scum, he very briefly defends himself and then when RC and I start butting heads and other wagons form up, he lurks again and is able to avoid attention for pretty much the rest of the game.

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So, I've managed to catch up with the game after being away for a bit.

NSG's case on Sajj seems to be entirely focused around meta, but the latest posts after her self-vote are almost entirely Appeal to Emotion. Furthermore, she was previously posting 1-2 line posts that were disengaged and often didn't say much. Now she's burying people with walls of meta, which indicates cornered scum to me.

For all these facts, I declare intent to hammer.

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I'd like to hear the reasoning as to why I'm being wagoned and why nobody is even considering the possibility of scum on the Invisibility wagon. I really do like it when Town jumps on a stupid as fuck wagon without even trying to do Night Kill Analysis or VCA. That's really helpful to town wincon

kappa.

Anyways, going to park my vote on VOTE: Mathdino.

I firmly believe Math is playing the long con here. Setting up Scioness to be mislynched in Lylo with the NK and his 896, knowing that he can probably convince the last person there that she's scum easily and he's confident enough that he can last that long. His sudden sheep on the Invisibility flashwagon, whilst also giving very little justification for his vote (he voted Invis before in 179 but didn't have much there either. His posts always gave an SR on Invis but I've looked and I cannot find where he gives justification for this outside of when Invis "hammered").

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By association, yes. I intended to hammer you because of your bad play and Appeal to Emotion along with the fact that NSG had a decent case on you.

However, if my theory is right, then you would have to be town. Math wouldn't be able to mislynch you in Lylo otherwise.

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Let ourselves be honest here. Most people here are really fucking bad at the game. Math kills NSG, and so, he can bring it up later in Lylo as more evidence to secure your lynch.

Math knows he can get away with mislynching lurkers (again, look at his jump to Invis) until Lylo, but once he's at Lylo he can't just rofl-wagon somebody because they didn't post enough. He knows that even a bad town will be more cautious in Lylo. So he's setting up a case to lynch in advance.

And yes, I'm clearing you by association with my theory.

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You seem oddly calm about this. I'll admit myself that this theory is a bit far-fetched. However, your previous posts suggest that when presented with these kinds of theories, or when someone goes directly against a read you have been defending for a while, you respond with a certain amount of fire. What's with the discrepancy?

Furthermore, you only briefly alluded to yourself being NK'd, yet Scum chose NSG instead. Why would scum keep you alive?

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wait what.

the last post in our PT was 16 days ago, we talked about mylo meta and that was about the extent of anything. I don't really know where you get a Townread/lean off that.

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prod dodge. I'm checking on some stuff with my neighbors and will post more when they get back to me.

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after a talk with the neighbors, I don't feel Awoo

I don't like the play so far but I'd be willing to bet it's more VI than scum. A quick dive into previous games of his (not too deep so take this with some scrutiny) reveals that he's seemingly more consistent in his viewpoints as scum.

i'd rather have a Mathdino wagon first. Especially with his recent inactivity, I feel like a lot of good info could come from actually running him up there. I also feel it would help us sort both him and others he associates with (mainly UglyDuck)

so yeah I'm gonna keep it parked on Math.

also I keep fucking thinking Awoo's a woman when I type for some reason.

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also HWS: your avatar is still lynch bait

lol

I got prodded and there's jack shit to talk about. I went back and looked at D1 again and everything.

i still want to lynch Mathdino.

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I am still adamant about the Mathdino/A50 slot but I guess we can lynch him in lylo anyways

I don't feel Awoo so VOTE: toranaga

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oh hey I'm at L-1.

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guess I'll just leave this

lynch A50/Mathdino

Bujaber is town

Awoo is town

mutant might be scum maybe idk

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i guess I'll try to actually play

@tora I jumped to your wagon because were nearing deadline and the wagons constantly rotate between the same few people and the fact that nobody will actually lynch the person who I genuinely believe is the most beneficial lynch at this moment.

I hate pretty much every wagon on the board (Awoo I feel I've gotten a pretty good read on, UglyDuck hasn't really done anything I find scumworthy, and of course the other wagon is me).

I want an A50/Mathdino lynch because I genuinely think the associative reads off of that would be seriously gamechanging (if town: clear Uglyduck/Wavemode, sus Scioness/Mutant, vice versa for scum dino flip).

If you want who I believe who is most likely to flip scum, I'd say mutant or the WCG slot by PoE.

tbh I'm tired af (haven't slept in like 12 hours now and I still need to be awake) so most of this post'll probably be nonsensical.

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VOTE: Uglyduck

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it's 5 votes to lynch today I think? So UglyDuck is at L-2

I'm fine with UglyDuck/A50 lynch, not so much on Scioness.

I don't want to vote Uglyduck for fear of lol/quickhammer though

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I'll be honest, I haven't been following this game due to the lack of interesting things going on it.

I did some quick reading and formed a quick lynch pool for today.

Uglyduck: most likely to flip scum in my mind for a lot of the reasons Scioness has stated. clears Scioness as town and puts sus on A50 if he's scum. Clears A50 as town if he flips town.

Scioness: Clears UglyDuck/A50 if she flips scum, and puts sus on the two if she flips town. least likely to flip scum in my opinion.

Myloninja: Lurker. No associative reads from him but we probably need to get rid of him before Mylo/Lylo as he's not helpful.

Almost50: potential scum based off Mathdino's play before replacement. clears Uglyduck/Scioness (the scioness part comes from Mathdino's play) if he flips town, and puts sus on Uglyduck if scum.

pretty much everyone else I have a town/null read on.

with all this said, I don't know the VC so I don't know what Uglyduck is at, but he's my vote.

If we can't decide by like, 2 day before deadline mark, I'd recommend flash-lynching mylo.

I'll expand upon these if asked, I really just wanted to get out something quick to avoid prod.

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A50/Mylo

A50 by association with Duck

Mylo because we need to get rid of him before Mylo/Lylo anyways

VOTE: Almost50

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@scioness I'm pretty confident in A50 at this point.

if I'm remembering correctly, most of Math/A50's defense of Duck boiled down to "I have a PT with them, and their interactions in that PT are town"

this leads to a few possibilites

1) Math/A50 were genuinely fooled by Duck in their PT's with him

2) Math/A50 held some sort of bias for their own neighbors

3) Math/A50 are scum partners with Duck and the PT referred to their actual Scum PT, which served as a convenient catch-all defense for Duck.

I also don't really get what you mean by worried about Mylo? Worried he's town? Not really, as he's not that helpful anyways.

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I mean, sheeping is lazy as fuck but it doesn't necessarily scream scum to me. I would think that if scum wanted to defend their partner they'd do it with a bit more vigor

like how mathdino called duck town and used PT interactions to justify it. PT interactions that probably don't exist. PT interactions which probably took place in the scum PT.

@scioness, I'm not familar with Mylo's play in Mylo/Lylo, but he's been unhelpful so far. I guess you could say I'm worried he'll be lynchbait (you could say he's lynchbait now but it's not as crucial of a moment as in Mylo/Lylo) during those moments. as well, his lack of content would presumeably carry over.

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except it doesn't disprove since Mafia can in fact live next to Mafia according to the wiki page for this setup.

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my only living neighbor is mutant and with Bujaber being the other one btw.

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alright now I'm convinced

VOTE: Lavos

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except it doesn't disprove since Mafia can in fact live next to Mafia according to the wiki page for this setup.

Well, you said "a PT that probably doesn't exist", so this is a way to prove it does for starters. THEN you can change your argument accordingly.

Do you see any downside to claiming neighbors at this point though?

keyword probably

I don't see a downside although I wasn't exactly against outside of the fact that it doesn't clear you.

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I still haven't been mislynched as town yet despite coming very close several times

woot woot.

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GG yall, this was an interesting game