SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[guacamole]

That type of fuzziness can be expected from that player.

[Shoshin]

That type of fuzziness can be expected from that player.

What do you mean?

[Vaxkiller]

That type of fuzziness can be expected from that player.

Also have you played with them before?

[guacamole]

Yes I've played with them before. Fuzziness in the form of trying to explain their role using an analogy that often doesn't actually mean what they think it means.
In this instance a suicide bomber is a little like a PGO, if you ignore the suicide part.

[Shoshin]

Hey guac, what do you make of the fact that Shepard says he wanted to die but didn't. Do you think he would willingly desire death in this game? Or do you think maybe he's lying about wanting to die because he knew he'd survive the kill attempts?

[Vaxkiller]

Ok let me lie down the problems I have with CSHEP.

He claims this:

Sorry for late entry. I expected to be dead so I hung out at a friend’s all night.

I am confused on how I am alive and how Punreader is alive.

Kinda makes me useless now shit.

Punreader is confirmed not group scum unless they are BP as I am relatively confident they shot me last night.

Why the fuck would someone heal me?

I am a fucking weird PGO esque (not official role name). If I get shot by scum they die but shot by town:SK I die. Was trying to die so Shoshin gets lynched because Shoshin is obvScum.

Mainly I wanted a chance to confirm Punreader as not a scum vig and then save a mislynch so we would hit scum. I was a planned mislynch for scum so pretty much a safe bet to try to get punreader to shoot me and be dead.

I haven’t read at all except what I have already mentioned since I expected to die.

I have to go but something funny is going on as I should have never been healed.

THen I claim afterwards.

OK, so im town, I shot commander last night and hes still alive.... wtf

How would town cshep act in this situation? Confused? Prolly. Questioning if Pun even shot him? Yes. But he hard town reads Pun out the gate? I mean WTF is that? Then Hard scum reads me? Why the FUCK would scum!vax claim I shot him after that when flipping town!cshep would just get me killed? Scum!vax could have just coasted by. Why do I frame someone else and frame myself at teh same time? This knee jerk with such bizarre accusations and reads is just too much. Then he tries to backpedal and explain it with moon logic (scum lightning rod and scum doc! along with other terrible ideas) Occams razor says he is lying and he needs to die for it.

Unless you can explain WTF happened last night your vote needs to be on CSHEP

[Vaxkiller]

y r we lynching shep?

frankly I just don't understand the last few pages so I'm back on the player I think is most likely to flip red. srynotsry

Would like your opinion on this after my last post.

[Vaxkiller]

As for the 2 claimed cops. Maybe 1 is scum maybe one isnt. I would fucking hate that to get that wrong. Scum will work this out because they are only fucking themselves by keeping the real cop alive. Lets get some more "innos" and then make them check each other.

I still havent seen any hard evidence that fire is scum.

[guacamole]

Hey guac, what do you make of the fact that Shepard says he wanted to die but didn't. Do you think he would willingly desire death in this game? Or do you think maybe he's lying about wanting to die because he knew he'd survive the kill attempts?

Shepard would want to use the ability, assuming it's compatible with wincon. If using the ability equates to dying, then yes.
That does assume that the claim is true though. I haven't read anywhere near enough to know either way.

What I'm commenting on is the likelihood that the claim is "correct" but stated badly in a way which makes it seem "incorrect". This player is likely to mangle things, either intentionally to avoid "quoting the mod" or to "keep his pants at least partly on", or unintentionally.

[guacamole]

This knee jerk with such bizarre accusations and reads is just too much.

Knee jerk reactions are coin of the realm for this particular player.

I want to make myself clear though, by no means do I call it AI. They're not town for it. Non-action based reads are the best way to figure them out.

[guacamole]

Re: cop claims being self-sorting -- agreed.

[Vaxkiller]

This knee jerk with such bizarre accusations and reads is just too much.

Knee jerk reactions are coin of the realm for this particular player.

I want to make myself clear though, by no means do I call it AI. They're not town for it. Non-action based reads are the best way to figure them out.

That aside, someone is lying. There is nothing that would explain cshep living today.

[guacamole]

I suspect that cshep isn't revealing a same alignment / different alignment / higher or lower ranking modifier.
Nobody has bothered to cliff note me the actual claims and I haven't had adequate time to find them all.

[the worst]

I don't really understand all the claims so I'll give you the duckling rundown

[the worst]

3. Punreader - BP to all players ranked lower, vig to all players ranked lower (further reading: serial killer)
4. MariaR - non-consecutive night cop maybe??? BP after copping
5. DeasVail - unknown
6. Espeonage - some betting thing I think he lost
7. Dunnstral - think he claimed but can't remember
8. Commander Shepard - some redirecting conditional BP thing
9. the worst - adorable
11. Shoshin - unknown
12. Fire Assassin - cop who gets fucked results depending on rankings
14. Chara - unknown
15. ManWithNoName - connectoriser (allows 2 people to send 140 character messages to each other)
16. Vaxkiller - some kind of vig

[guacamole]

Vax did you claim any target n1? Did punreader?
Shepard, care to claim anything more?
I think i’ve made a little progress on the logic puzzle.
Reading more...

[the worst]

Pun shot pine night 1

[guacamole]

According to punreaders rating calc in post 1985 or so, pun cant shoot shep.
On iso read im reading punreader as town.
Occams says vax is town. No reason to lie about trying to vig someone who lived. Though ill pit a tinfoil stake in the ground and say going apeshit over the mention of a sk is pretty suspicious.

[the worst]

I'm p comfortable that one of them is a serial killer. if pun is honestly intending to turn around and say they magically want to lynch me after treating me like I'm town all game I think that's a soft SK claim. (they as a SK would need everyone ranked higher than them lynched or sorted by NK)

[Shoshin]

I'd pick Pun as SK over Vax.

[Shoshin]

the worst, why'd you rank Nico a 0?

[the worst]

Yeah same here.

Ugghh I'm not totally sure. I had tonsillitis when I did the rankings iirc and basically rushed them and went from the top down. my bottom scorers ended up being a lot of people I just didn't feel strongly about from memory.

[Shoshin]

But Nico? You should know better... she's basically silent on D1...

[the worst]

(like, "my doctor tried to test me for glandular fever"-level tonsillitis, if I'm not mixing up my weekends)


pedit: it's probably the ranking I regret most, admittedly I'm pretty good at townreads d1 but shit at scumreads. PoE is my only hope. I was still like :/// and felt pretty lame when the flip happened.

[Commander Shepard]

Vax did you claim any target n1? Did punreader?
Shepard, care to claim anything more?
I think i’ve made a little progress on the logic puzzle.
Reading more...

No. I either tell scum how to live or not. I would really rather not.