SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Shoshin]

Can you explain your role, Dunn?

I believe I've already explained it

Then clarify. Your role PM says that you can vig, protect, or vanillaise Espe if Fire is ranked higher than Vax? Were you told whether Fire was ranked higher than Vax?

[Dunnstral]

Can you explain your role, Dunn?

I believe I've already explained it

Then clarify. Your role PM says that you can vig, protect, or vanillaise Espe if Fire is ranked higher than Vax? Were you told whether Fire was ranked higher than Vax?

Yes I was told Fire was ranked higher than Vax

I also knew the flavor of all 3 of them

[Shoshin]

Okay.

What's the point of vanillaising Espe if he's already vanilla after the rankings?

[Commander Shepard]

Hard to keep up at work:

@Dunnstral assume that you’re truth telling

Assume Punreader is truth telling
Assume Vaxkiller is truth telling

This means three vigs right?

So potentially on night one then we could have had what four deaths? Vax (if lying about novice) Punreader you and the scum kill

...I think that is a little much :/ It doesn’t make sense

[Dunnstral]

Okay.

What's the point of vanillaising Espe if he's already vanilla after the rankings?

I didn't vanillaise him

[Dunnstral]

Hard to keep up at work:

@Dunnstral assume that you’re truth telling

Assume Punreader is truth telling
Assume Vaxkiller is truth telling

This means three vigs right?

So potentially on night one then we could have had what four deaths? Vax (if lying about novice) Punreader you and the scum kill

...I think that is a little much :/ It doesn’t make sense

It does seem like too much

Remember I could only target espeonage with it

[Commander Shepard]

Okay.

Now we know that punreader is a proven vig/SK/killer
You are never going to say you are scum
When I was starting to be townread Vax then claims vig on me.

Why did you not counterclaim Vax or pressure Vax? You and I both have very strong evidence that Vax is likely lying.
Me because I am alive
And you because of you claimed role

[Commander Shepard]

That is the problem I have with this game in general
Two cops none of which are dead
3 vigs none of which are dead
A supposed inno not dead
And instead scum kill TBG
And none of the claims are pushing each other

[Shoshin]

Okay.

What's the point of vanillaising Espe if he's already vanilla after the rankings?

I didn't vanillaise him

What's the point of even being able to?

[Shoshin]

If all the scum are bulletproof, the vigs are strictly negative utility.

If all the scum are godfathers or if there's lawyers/framers, the cops are also negative utility.

We don't know what scum have, so I disagree that it doesn't make sense. We just don't know what scum have.

[Commander Shepard]

If all the scum are bulletproof, the vigs are strictly negative utility.

If all the scum are godfathers or if there's lawyers/framers, the cops are also negative utility.

We don't know what scum have, so I disagree that it doesn't make sense. We just don't know what scum have.

....That just seems silly.

A lawyer/framer is only good if they know who the check is going to
Arming an entire group of scum with BP would make punreader who is prob SK auto lose
Like that’s just silliness

I gotta drive the carpool

The simple answer is Vax or Dunn are lying

[Shoshin]

I'd like to lynch Maria.

[Commander Shepard]

I'd like to lynch Maria.

Just parked and wtf?

You can’t in one breath say that “the cops could all be town”
Then say “I want to lynch a cop claim” without some serious explanation.

[Shoshin]

There's a difference between "could" and "probable."

My point is that setup analysis isn't reliable because we don't know what scum have.

If you put aside claims to focus on behaviors, Maria's scum.

[MariaR]

For?

[Vaxkiller]

If all the scum are bulletproof, the vigs are strictly negative utility.

If all the scum are godfathers or if there's lawyers/framers, the cops are also negative utility.

We don't know what scum have, so I disagree that it doesn't make sense. We just don't know what scum have.

....That just seems silly.

A lawyer/framer is only good if they know who the check is going to
Arming an entire group of scum with BP would make punreader who is prob SK auto lose
Like that’s just silliness

I gotta drive the carpool

The simple answer is Vax or Dunn are lying

No ive had enough im 1v1ing this its him or me.

[DeasVail]

I'd like to lynch Maria.

VOTE: MariaR

[DeasVail]

UNVOTE: mariar
VOTE: shepard

Sorry I’ve spooked myself

[DeasVail]

Never mind

VOTE: mariar

[the worst]

deas where are your reads at roughly

[the worst]

@Shoshin I need to catch you.
been a bit ill, keep falling asleep

[Dunnstral]

Not lynching Maria, if we were lynching cops we'd be lynching fire but I don't want a cop today

[Dunnstral]

Okay.

Now we know that punreader is a proven vig/SK/killer
You are never going to say you are scum
When I was starting to be townread Vax then claims vig on me.

Why did you not counterclaim Vax or pressure Vax? You and I both have very strong evidence that Vax is likely lying.
Me because I am alive
And you because of you claimed role

I'm not a vig role, really, though I do optionally contribute a broadcasted kill (it can be protected from, he knows the day before), and my role was already claimed in thread when vax claimed his stuff so there's no reason I had to be the one to say something

[Dunnstral]

Okay.

What's the point of vanillaising Espe if he's already vanilla after the rankings?

I didn't vanillaise him

What's the point of even being able to?

I don't know

[Errantparabola]

With multiple people (at least three or four) requiring prod after prod the past several weeks and day phases, and with someone who hasnt posted in almost a week that I am still trying to replace, that totals up to basically half the playerlist not being present in this game. Not to mention the numerous people who have simply flaked out of the game. Players have gone into prodding range more times this day phase alone than in full games I have modded to completion. With every single votecount I make I need to replace yet another slot and prod a couple more people.

I’m not upset and I understand real life gets in the way sometimes and at the end of the day this is a forum game. But it has gotten to the point where activity levels from too many slots render enforcing normal activity rules impractical. With these things taken into account I have attempted to come up with a solution that is hopefully palatable to everyone (if it is not PM me with your concerns):

1) I am freezing the deadline for one full day or until a replacement for Chara arrives and
2) I am going to ask all of you, every active player in this game, to PM me. In this PM, let me know if you intend on continuing to commit to play in the game. If you want to and intend to see this game to completion then I will be enforcing the following activity rule:

You get 1 V/LA declaration for the rest of the game.
Aside from that you get one prod after 48 hours of inactivity for the rest of the game.
If you do not pick it up in 24 hours, then I will actively attempt to replace your slot for 24 hours.
If I fail to get a replacement I will immediately turn you into a 3rd party survivor and modkill your slot.

If, on the other hand, a significant amount of people do not want to complete the game then I will discuss with implosion to consider simply ending the game here.