NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Taly]

I'd rather see a

HeWhoSwims

flip over

xyzzy

at the moment.

I really dislike that no major wagon has had resistance this dayphase, and I don't trust that this is all because of scum.

sorry if I missed this in your ISO but why are you scumreading HWS? i believe you thought he was town early d2.

my gut says profii is town maybe? but i don't really know

I don't feel strongly on

HWS

at the moment, and I did townread him D2, but:

He's not making any cases for the 3 people he wants to lynch

Sky/Chick/TW

2164

He's expressing scumreads that are both easy to hop on and want to lynch due to WIFOM.

(TW's self-sorting, Chick feels lynchbaity and I don't see the point of a venge without a short kill-pool, and his scumread on Sky is basically her asking questions and not providing reads, which I both think would apply to him now, and not apply to Sky this dayphase.)

He's posted very little this dayphase and in contribution.

(Only 19 posts, he was more active in D1, which was much less active this dayphase comparatively)

He's someone that was on the

Hit

wagon and one of the last people to jump on it near EoD1.

He's brushed off the

Brass

push on him.

(Where is any response to Brass this dayphase about a vote in his ISO?)

I don't understand how agreeing with the two strongest opinions is scummy??? like I don't really feel like these two positions are in direct opposition, we don't have the threshold of information where finding both of them scummy is a bad thing

It's not scummy per se - just lazy and easy. I used to do this as scum in my first scum games, I feel... And it just adds onto the rest

If this is the one gaining traction then

VOTE: Dramonic

L-4 if the votecount higher up this page is accurate

That claim seems too well thought out to be fake.

If it ain't dram then I want to go back to Gazer...

But there's no wagon there so

VOTE: HitAlt

L-2

These 3 posts were side-by-side in his ISO.

His votes and reasonings aren't committal at the EoD1, as he's voting based on where wagons are and what has the most traction. This could be town and excusable, but it doesn't look great or helpful as he had about 5 other people in his lynchpool 1012, and L-3'ed

Hit

850 without much in depth reasoning for his scumread there.

[Taly]

Also, any team with

xyzzy-profii

makes little sense here.

VOTE: Xyzzy

Flashwagon this. Xyzzy has naught but fluffposting and walls of "I like this post" with no real substance or analysis and actually clicking through their wall of post links only furthers the disappointment.

Scum is lurking through this game and letting us run up lynch baity people for playing poorly but not necessarily scummy. Rally to me boys and girls and xirs, the dark times end now

Ok
VOTE: xyzzy

But Elbirn, thoughts on xyzzy's latest post? It was a good one...at least what of it I skimmed. Gonna be honest, I am getting very sleepy at the moment.

Its a good a post but I’ll vote there? Explain that please

Personally, I disagree, as per my initial comment on xyzzy following the Rask wagon analysis I feel like xyzzy is just parroting a lot of popular opinion and not really asserting anything new

I see Rask has left flubber to go xyzzy but I’m not sure which wagon is winning between xyzzy and dram & we need to hone in on a lynch _soon_

Xyzzy has the momentum right now so

VOTE: xyzzy

However if the VC appears and Dram is ahead (or people go there), I’m with you. Also, if we go back to flubber I’m in.

This was prior to

profii

mentally resolving the

Dram

claim and going back to

Flubb

in 1142

Literally, if you guys looked into

profii's

ISO, it is LITTERED with statements that he's going to lynch or vote

Dram

, but doesn't do it.

@MoI - I believe I was mistaken with that assertion - apparently Dramonic moved so I would say perhaps he is bussing Flubber and using the HitAlt wagon to get off the bus.

So I’d be ok with a dram lynch today - probably helps us deal with flubber and those wagoneers

*Note

that he's giving rationale for

Flub

scum in conjunction with

Dram

even though

Dram

was much earlier and unresolved scumread. 723

I like the flubber wagon
I said earlier I'd join a dramonic wagon.
Sky fits in my criteria of Rask voters so I could vote there too.

I'm easy either way but whilst we have 6 on Flubber I'll stick there, if it dies off and a wagon on those 2 forms then I'll join.

Again, a reason I scumread and lynched him - where he flipped scum - in

Open 712

was because he had plenty of opportunity and reasons to push others but kept on with pushes that were most popular.

We have a competing wagon in flubs,

HA could be a good PR

, TW might just be bad at scum.
Those are three valid reasons (albeit the third might not be I dont know the guy besides site chat)

If you ever thought I was a town-PR, you should never say something like this out loud..!
VOTE: dramonic - my mind is actually made at this point I think.

But if scum!dramonic thinks that, he can just PT his buddies... why is that of all things AI and not just bad town

*Note

....
why is

profii

justifying that

Dram

could be bad town to

Hit's

scumread reasons BY trying to project

Dram's

thoughts as scum?

I am probably going to vote Dram but I prefer flubber so just waiting for the VC to see if it’s worth sticking or will dram be the way we are going

Someone said plenty of time but I disagree as it’s hard to get everyone going in a specific direction quickly, particularly at weekend so just making my intentions known for now

He's basically saying the same thing he has been for 200+ posts.

[Taly]

There's a better associative to

Profii-A50

than

Xyzzy-A50

imo

at least, it's very unlikely for

Profii-Xyzzy

team.

I don't see

Xyzzy-Sky

either.

xyzzy

feels least likely scum when evaluating the big picture of my reads.

[Taly]

I think xyzxyz might be scum he commented on hit and flub not dram. But he had opportunities to like in 1086 (at the end where he responded to taly)

honestly I just really never had very strong opinions about anything dramonic posted. I know that sounds like a fake copout but it's true

In comparison, this is the only associative-based post we can tie to

Dram-xyzzy

Which could be scum indicative, but that'd mean my currently stronger

profii

scumread is very likely wrong.

[Taly]

We could continue discussion for 8 days

But after questions, ISO skims, and careful thought...

I still feel like I won't lynch/vote outside of

A50/profii

today, unless something drastic happens, but none of my scum suspects are doing anything remarkable to change that in either direction.

HWS

is a potential lynch I'd like to see, if he keeps pinging me.

Sky

... idfk, but she's towny right now?

xyzzy

doesn't make sense as scum to me.

[Chickadee]

I'm more inclined to lynch profii than xyzzy.

What happened to an A50 lynch?

[Taly]

I'm wanting him to post more but the more he posts, the more I'm feeling that he's scum thus far and I was originally correct.

To be honest, part of me is afraid that I'm confbiased, which is why I haven't hardpushed him yet and not before trying to force him to spew content.

[Taly]

^^About

A50

that is

[Andrius]

Hey.
Stop assuming Profii's scum.
No confirmed until dead.

Also why is there still a discussion about Chick being lynchbaity I thought we solved this.

[Taly]

-_-*

I never assumed that

profii

is scum, I'm saying there's a stronger argument to suggest he is when I'm skimming through his ISO and looking at my other scumreads. I'm trying to narrow my thoughts down.

And I'm stating that

Chick

feels like an easy person to push a lynch on at the moment and I was responding to

HWS'

thought on thinking about lynching her.

I also townread

Chick

.

Did you read all of my posts

Andrius

?

Why is

HWS

less likely scum than

xyzzy

?

[Taly]

To relieve tension in thread

[Taly]

[Ausuka]

(just crossposting this over all of my games to say i'm going to spain for two weeks and won't have access to PC. i'm not on much nowadays anyway so my activity shouldn't, like, dramatically decrease, but i'll be less able to read through the game, make quotes, etc.)

i think HWS jumping off dram after claim isn't scum-indicative. i don't mind lynching xyzzy but i feel like elbirn/a50 may have been scummier? and that getting flips on the table is likely more useful than what we're doing right now

[profii]

Every time I check this game I see walls from Taly and I keep saying to myself I’ll get my laptop and respond to every little bit but I’d only be doing it to appease him so I really can’t be hooped

If you have specific questions that can be posted without a wall of quotes I’ll deal with them but in the mean time why don’t you just lynch me and get TW to shoot a50 (Elbirn, right?) after I flip town to prove his town credentials - or do the lynch / kill vice versa

That then frees up our PRs to sort the likes of xyzzy


Seems optimal way to move the game on

[Taly]

....Please do not ask to be lynched to prove you're town....

Here's a concise version of my scumread over you Profii that I elaborated on in some of my falls

1)

You kept your vote on

Flub

up a lot in D1, and kept saying you'd vote and lynch

Dram

specifically, but you didn't throw a vote that way and your vote on

xyzzy

was opportunistic because a portion of the vote there was because of it being a wagon with momentum. Why didn't you deeply evaluate

Dram

when he was worthy of a read to you?

2)

There is several issues I take with your stance on

A50

and my specific vote on his wagon.

-

You had issue with me wanting to see more conversation happening prior to a lynch given the wagon progression and gamestate, but you voted

Elbirn

to L-1 here.

-

A lot of your reasons for your stance on my thoughts over the wagon, ones I responded in my earlier walls, are ones that can easily be alleviated if you actually asked questions and tried to figure my stance out in depth. A lot of your assessments about me are untrue, in terms of my vote, thought process, and your incomplete perception of how I work as town or scum.

-

There's plenty of other people on the wagon that you didn't read into, I gave a FULL case to push progression on that wagon and outlined my ideas, but your assertion on my alignment based off my specific stance to

Elbirn

doesn't sit right with me when you haven't looked at the full picture.

-

I'm seriously confused with your

Elbirn/Me/Sky

reads. You L-1'd

Elbirn

, and started townreading him (?), and then you started making realities of me being town OR scum, and that

Sky

would be scum WITH me.

3)

You not being responsive hasn't helped this. I can understand if it's for life reasons, but it's not helping me change the direction of my read if I'm so obviously wrong.

Qs

What is your read/thoughts

A50

upon his entrance?
Reads on

xyzzy, Sky, HWS

?

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: xyzzy

[Gamma Emerald]

There's a better associative to

Profii-A50

than

Xyzzy-A50

imo

at least, it's very unlikely for

Profii-Xyzzy

team.

I don't see

Xyzzy-Sky

either.

xyzzy

feels least likely scum when evaluating the big picture of my reads.

Why are people calling A50 scum rn?

[Almost50]

If you shoot someone unacceptable we'll lynch you. : ]

I ain't gonna lynch the duck this game.

Why?

Because he's town????

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: xyzzy
I think this is alright for now

[Almost50]

Scum
Sky
xyzzy
profii
HWS
A50

Your bottom 2 SRs are horrible. Just saying.

[Almost50]

He's saying it so he doesn't get shot fam

On contrary. I've been luring the NK. Admittedly I don't want it to come at the hands of the Town Vig, but it's still better than the lynch for my "prestige". I get shot much much more often than I get lynched.

[Almost50]

part of me is afraid that I'm confbiased

You are, but I don't mind it tbf. Just let me die an honorable death by the NK. They

are

going to have to shoot me sooner or later because my play gets stronger towards the EoG

[Almost50]

@TW: What's your read on xyzzy?

[Gamma Emerald]

hm from just the posts I'm seeing here A50 feels kinda towny

[Chickadee]

hm from just the posts I'm seeing here A50 feels kinda towny

Have you read his predecessor Elbirn?