OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)
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Mate...I explained why Ruru would do what they did and why it was, in my view, a reasonable play. You chose to ignore/disagree and continue down the path that doesn't help us actually solve this game. I wasn't being a dick when I explained why I thought it reasonable for Ruru to do what they did, but it's also a discussion for post-game, not in-game.In post 924, BuJaber wrote:You may have these people fooled but your stubborness doesn't come from being town. You are either just a horrible individual or you're scum. One or the other. This isn't natural townie-offensiveness. You're worn your biased glasses and everything I do looks scummy to me.- vulcan logician
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I didn't like skygazer's EoD commentary (starting page 33 up to the end... esp posts 826 & 827). It feels a bit contrived, along with some other things she has said this day cycle. It could be myopia or the result of reading posts with a tad too much scrutiny... but in case anyone else got the same feelings, I thought I'd mention it. Regardless, I don't think she's a good lynch choice for today, because if she's town, she'll be high on scum's kill list, and we don't want to do their job for them. The same reasoning has me wanting to lynch someone other than OkaPoka.- ceejayvinoya
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Shoulda said "gamsolving brooooooooooo".In post 872, Skygazer wrote:In post 871, OkaPoka wrote:How does that give Sando townpoints?GAMESOLVING
Anyway, I have this townlean on both Oka and Sky.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- ceejayvinoya
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I'd love it if you can mention something else on me other than "oh ceejay is so towny he must be scum".In post 923, vulcan logician wrote:Spoiler:
I like the reasoning here, ofrhz. Although you have the chance of being incorrect in your speculation, what you've said certainly is an eyebrow-raiser. I'll hop on the Cardi wagon.
VOTE: Cardi
I wanna hear from Ceej, too. I still have some uncomfortable gut feelings about him.Ceejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst- vulcan logician
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It's gut, ceej, and so I admit my tea leafy assessment of you comes with limitations peculiar to that type of read. I'm not ready to lynch you or anything, and my mind is very open to the possibility of you being town. Don't think to much of my statements regarding you. They don't amount to much.
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I mistook CJV's vote for an Invis self-vote, which in my mind translated to either scum gambitting to look like they didn't care or a VT (in which case it was still a better lynch than one that leads to a TPR claim).In post 908, BuJaber wrote:- AP: why did you hammer?
Obviously ot was a mistake but one that paid off anyway, so I'm not sorry.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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I am one to claim I perfectly understand ruru's gambit (and I acknowledge I did from the very start too).In post 908, BuJaber wrote:-Can someone help me understand what ruru's strategy was? I don't get the town fakeclaim. A townie who knows she's lying will counterclaim and ruru likely gets lynched. And scum who know she's lying will NK her. And I think that's what happened. It's the most likely explanation in my mind.
First off; PGO/1-shot Vig is rarely ever picked anyway, much less so by the #1 draft. ruru obviously was claiming a strong TPR that needed to try and evade the NK. If a Townie had the role they would not have CC'd if they knew what they were doing (and/ot if they knew ruru well enough). Scum would have also known she was lying if they did have the role, so I'm slightly leaning they do, but not ruling out someone in the scum team knows ruru well enough and called her bluff.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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But it did. Unless you think Enigma is also a GOON. I think this is the key to solving the caseIn post 919, vulcan logician wrote:Another possibility is that Enigma is mafia, and it wouldn't have mattered which wagon they jumped on. (I lean town on Enigma, so I think this second option is unlikely, but it's still worth mentioning.)IFEnigma is scum here. You would sacrifice your pawn to save the queen every single time it gets offered to you.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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ROTFL. Now IIn post 928, ceejayvinoya wrote:
Shoulda said "gamsolving brooooooooooo".In post 872, Skygazer wrote:In post 871, OkaPoka wrote:How does that give Sando townpoints?GAMESOLVING
Anyway, I have this townlean on both Oka and Sky.demandto be referred to as "the airhead" or something similar for the rest of the game.
My first impression when I saw the avi was "Why is the already lynched guy still posting"
I SWEAR IT'S TRUE! An I don't even know why. I mean, the avatars of the two aren't even similar!!YEAH BABY YEAH!
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In post 931, AP wrote:
I mistook CJV's vote for an Invis self-vote, which in my mind translated to either scum gambitting to look like they didn't care or a VT (in which case it was still a better lynch than one that leads to a TPR claim).In post 908, BuJaber wrote:- AP: why did you hammer?
Obviously ot was a mistake but one that paid off anyway, so I'm not sorry.
This is hard to believe. A townie (playing invs style) could put themselves at L-1 regardless of PR or VT, so it is a weak excuse here. For someone who took the time to deliberate voting me, it seems awfully convenient to slip accidentally on the invs wagon for the town cred. Invs was 90% sure to be lynched at that stage anyways ... a bit of LAMIST.In post 351, AP wrote:Hint: You better amuse me, cuz I actually typed the vote then decided not to put you @L-1 now- vulcan logician
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I sort of agree w/ you, Oka. Maybe we should get some wagons going to generate some information for this and the next day cycle. Nailing scum on D1 bought us some time and widened our margin for error, so I don't think it's a terrible way to proceed.In post 935, OkaPoka wrote:im getting the impression that we as a town have no direction to go- vulcan logician
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He's a bit far down on the list to assume he DOES have a PR.In post 933, AP wrote:
But it did. Unless you think Enigma is also a GOON. I think this is the key to solving the caseIn post 919, vulcan logician wrote:Another possibility is that Enigma is mafia, and it wouldn't have mattered which wagon they jumped on. (I lean town on Enigma, so I think this second option is unlikely, but it's still worth mentioning.)IFEnigma is scum here. You would sacrifice your pawn to save the queen every single time it gets offered to you.- OkaPoka
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This post rubs me the wrong way. You had no way of knowing his alignment so why would you be surprised that he's posting post-hammer? Townies post after the hammer all the time to release information that they hitherto were keeping close to the chest.In post 934, AP wrote:
ROTFL. Now Idemandto be referred to as "the airhead" or something similar for the rest of the game.
My first impression when I saw the avi was "Why is the already lynched guy still posting"
I SWEAR IT'S TRUE! An I don't even know why. I mean, the avatars of the two aren't even similar!!- Skygazer
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does invis put scumbuddies into lynch pool?In post 459, Invisibility wrote:Sando - leantown
skitter30 - town
AP - null
brassherald - slight townlean
BuJaber - townlean
Ausuka - town
Skygazer - null
vulcan logician - siteflaked?
ceejayvinoya - null
ruru - townlean actually
ofrhz - town
OkaPoka - townlean
Enigma - null
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VOTE: vulcan logician- OkaPoka
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Trust me, if I was scum with him I would've instructed him to claim COP to bait a CC before we lynched him.In post 936, Enigma wrote:In post 931, AP wrote:
I mistook CJV's vote for an Invis self-vote, which in my mind translated to either scum gambitting to look like they didn't care or a VT (in which case it was still a better lynch than one that leads to a TPR claim).In post 908, BuJaber wrote:- AP: why did you hammer?
Obviously ot was a mistake but one that paid off anyway, so I'm not sorry.
This is hard to believe. A townie (playing invs style) could put themselves at L-1 regardless of PR or VT, so it is a weak excuse here. For someone who took the time to deliberate voting me, it seems awfully convenient to slip accidentally on the invs wagon for the town cred. Invs was 90% sure to be lynched at that stage anyways ... a bit of LAMIST.In post 351, AP wrote:Hint: You better amuse me, cuz I actually typed the vote then decided not to put you @L-1 nowYEAH BABY YEAH!
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Well scum could perfectly understand ruru's gambit from the very beginning if they knew she was lying based off their own draft choices.In post 932, AP wrote:
I am one to claim I perfectly understand ruru's gambit (and I acknowledge I did from the very start too).In post 908, BuJaber wrote:-Can someone help me understand what ruru's strategy was? I don't get the town fakeclaim. A townie who knows she's lying will counterclaim and ruru likely gets lynched. And scum who know she's lying will NK her. And I think that's what happened. It's the most likely explanation in my mind.
First off; PGO/1-shot Vig is rarely ever picked anyway, much less so by the #1 draft. ruru obviously was claiming a strong TPR that needed to try and evade the NK. If a Townie had the role they would not have CC'd if they knew what they were doing (and/ot if they knew ruru well enough). Scum would have also known she was lying if they did have the role, so I'm slightly leaning they do, but not ruling out someone in the scum team knows ruru well enough and called her bluff.
A town JK could also protect ruru, and it is an option (though not as ideal as a doc). You could have flagged the possibility of that?In post 114, AP wrote:That said, ruru might have thought she's a prime NK target becaise she picked first, and -in that case- if a Doctor existed they'd be inclined to be on her. HOWEVER, Doctor may not be in play (it's Doc or RB), so it's better to self-protect and let the "possible" Doctor protect elsewhere.- Skygazer
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Dude, the post I'm quoting has been done TODAY (i.e. after both the Invis and the ruru flips)In post 940, vulcan logician wrote:
This post rubs me the wrong way. You had no way of knowing his alignment so why would you be surprised that he's posting post-hammer? Townies post after the hammer all the time to release information that they hitherto were keeping close to the chest.In post 934, AP wrote:
ROTFL. Now Idemandto be referred to as "the airhead" or something similar for the rest of the game.
My first impression when I saw the avi was "Why is the already lynched guy still posting"
I SWEAR IT'S TRUE! An I don't even know why. I mean, the avatars of the two aren't even similar!!YEAH BABY YEAH!
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