OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)

[OkaPoka]

in before the mod pms us lets go

VOTE: ruru

scum has pregame chat and likely coordinated their numerical picks, having one scumbuddy go with number 1 would probably be a safe thing to do.

[OkaPoka]

my logic is that most likely, scum would want to try and get one of the first picks, 1 is a ballsy pick but with 3 shots its a risk worth taking for scum imo

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VOTE: brass

Hahaha we all played ourselves. Nobody picked 7.
Okay if Oka is town he makes a good point about coordination.
I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.

That said not sure why he'd assume they picked 1.

1 is a ballsy pick. It's like picking 7 and we were all too cowardly to pick 7. I think ruru is town because he wasn't afraid.

I don't know how useful this is, maybe later on if massclaim becomes a thing, but each of us knows for sure that:
- if we got our choice it means nobody above us in the order picked the same X/Y pair.
-if we didn't get our choice it means somebody above us has one of the X/Y pair we picked.

But I picked the same number as you? By your logic (if you were town) that scum would all pick different numbers, why wouldn't you be suspicious of me since there is a higher (random) likelihood I could be scum?

But I know I'm town, so probability says...
VOTE: BuJaber

This post is pinging me.

It's like you were just looking for an excuse to jump onto the BuJaber wagon.

I don't really understand how you got to the conclusion that he's scum just from your post.

but do wagons really indicate scummy behavior? if anything its townie to want to drive this game out of rvs as soon as possible and running people up can be a good way to do that, turning the game into analysis rather than jokes.

we are right now in a weird spot where it appears some people are still in rvs mode and others aren't.

so my question to everyone is
do scum have a desire to keep the game into RVS?

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: brassherald

gut+if orhz is correct i guess my theory might be dead in the water

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: ruru

nvm this is def better

[OkaPoka]

But is there town motivation?

[OkaPoka]

Why wouldn't town pick an investigator role first or at least pretend to be one with the low keyness and then pgo.

[OkaPoka]

Why wouldn't town pick an investigator role first or at least pretend to be one with the low keyness and then pgo.

Because they'd be a prime target for the NK anyway. If you're #1 in the picking order and you're town, scum will always assume you picked Cop, Role Cop or JK/Tracker. However, TPRs don't know who's town and one of those might be inclined to investigate the person who picked first, hence the claim. (Otherwise it would have been great if she didn't claim and just obv!towned enough to guarantee she gets targeted by the NK on N1).

but why claim now? the plan falls apart completely and it serves town no purpose.

but do wagons really indicate scummy behavior? if anything its townie to want to drive this game out of rvs as soon as possible and running people up can be a good way to do that, turning the game into analysis rather than jokes.

we are right now in a weird spot where it appears some people are still in rvs mode and others aren't.

so my question to everyone is
do scum have a desire to keep the game into RVS?

My problem with Enigma wasn't being on the wagon. It's why he was on the wagon.

That reason why he voted BuJaber looked bogus to me and also looked like an excuse to hop onto the wagon, which I dislike.

Do you honestly believe Enigma believes his scumread on BuJaber?

I don't think Engima was scumreading BuJaber

VOTE: brass

Hahaha we all played ourselves. Nobody picked 7.
Okay if Oka is town he makes a good point about coordination.
I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.

That said not sure why he'd assume they picked 1.

1 is a ballsy pick. It's like picking 7 and we were all too cowardly to pick 7. I think ruru is town because he wasn't afraid.

I don't know how useful this is, maybe later on if massclaim becomes a thing, but each of us knows for sure that:
- if we got our choice it means nobody above us in the order picked the same X/Y pair.
-if we didn't get our choice it means somebody above us has one of the X/Y pair we picked.

But I picked the same number as you? By your logic (if you were town) that scum would all pick different numbers, why wouldn't you be suspicious of me since there is a higher (random) likelihood I could be scum?

But I know I'm town, so probability says...
VOTE: BuJaber

sounds like he was doing some weird probability calculations/rvs vote. I don't think that is inherently scummy at this phase of the game, it was like a semi-rvs vote. It's not like BuJaber is going to be lynched this quick in the game.

[OkaPoka]

So you find it more likely that ruru is being honest about her intentions with the PGO play than potentially fakeclaiming and being an actual vigilante which is mafia aligned?

IMO strongest first pick for mafia would be the vigilante, gives you an extra NK and it removes PGO from play. That or roleblocker which would remove Doctor from play.

What I am saying is that ruru may have not played it optimally for town but maybe she did play it optimally for scum. So now the question is how good is ruru at mafia.

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i am confused?

if you're PGO i'm not really sure why you would announce this unless you were trying to like purposefully not get visited. although if you're town i guess that's probably be the point

Not sure why one would pick a PGO if you were town anyways, considering likely more town PRs than scum PRs. Wouldn't town just choose 1 shot vig?
Plus wtf would ruru, as first seed, choose from that pair?

Ruru could always be vengeful scum and trying to get us to pl her?

if she was vengeful then she would run the risk of getting cc'd by the actual pgo/vig right?
unless she knew real pgo/vig was on her team, adding an extra layer of wifom

[OkaPoka]

it's a game of limited information and guessing, and based on my limited information + guessing i find it more likely ruru is scum.

who do you think is more likely scum?

[OkaPoka]

@skitter30 why aren't you voting someone?

also to everyone, meta changes lets not let it be our guiding reason to scumread/townread someone. especially if you think someone is not capable of doing x because of y game, they can improve and be able to do x in this game.

[OkaPoka]

you are reading way too much into this to the point where it is borderline non-useful and probably not true

[OkaPoka]

90% scum wouldn't want to double up

you are discrediting CJ too much too, he is fully capable of doing out of meta strategies, i mean it isn't that complex to suggest to double up and it isn't that complex to be willing to double up.

[OkaPoka]

90% scum wouldn't want to double up

94.5% to be exact.

wait scum have doubled up before?

[OkaPoka]

Why is starting wagons a bad thing, stargazer ? Or whoever asked

Not starting wagons, calling for lynches.

i call for lynches all the time as town

[OkaPoka]

i call for lynches all the time as town

This early?

maybe not this early but the point is calling for lynches can be done by town

[OkaPoka]

game meta says ruru is most likely scum xd

[OkaPoka]

@invisibility why no vote anyone yet ?

[OkaPoka]

*post to indicate that i am sick but still slightly skimming the thread and expressing discomfort on the enigma wagon*

[OkaPoka]

sorry if im missing any questions directed at me, probs should hit me with an @okapoka again because im going to answer skitter's question about why enigma wagon sucks

imo the wagon only really appeared when skygazer, ruru, and orhz all voted engima within essentially consecutive posts.

genuinely have no clue how to interpret oka help

VOTE: Enigma

blatantly sheeping two early town reads (agree with the tone looking weird in 109 and with CJ's point as well)

mediocre explanation imo, tone is about as useful as saying gut, i'd go as far as to stating tone as a reason to vote is equivalent to an rvs level vote which we have already transitioned out of.
i disagree with cj's point, engima was being pretty reasonable about how he reached a bujaber vote and i felt that cj was a bit reachy with that jump in logic. there was no indication of engima sincerely scumreading bujaber.
if this is the so called point

VOTE: brass

Hahaha we all played ourselves. Nobody picked 7.
Okay if Oka is town he makes a good point about coordination.
I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.

That said not sure why he'd assume they picked 1.

1 is a ballsy pick. It's like picking 7 and we were all too cowardly to pick 7. I think ruru is town because he wasn't afraid.

I don't know how useful this is, maybe later on if massclaim becomes a thing, but each of us knows for sure that:
- if we got our choice it means nobody above us in the order picked the same X/Y pair.
-if we didn't get our choice it means somebody above us has one of the X/Y pair we picked.

But I picked the same number as you? By your logic (if you were town) that scum would all pick different numbers, why wouldn't you be suspicious of me since there is a higher (random) likelihood I could be scum?

But I know I'm town, so probability says...
VOTE: BuJaber

This post is pinging me.

It's like you were just looking for an excuse to jump onto the BuJaber wagon.

I don't really understand how you got to the conclusion that he's scum just from your post.

ruru just came out of nowhere with a naked vote, she indicated that she felt maybe engima vs bujaber was scum vs scum but i mean nothing concrete came out of it
orfhz also naked voted also felt out of place

im not necessarily townreading enigma solidly, but i felt like the wagon forming was either fueled by scum or skygazer+ruru+orfhz is a clique that just do things for the lulz which does unfortunately happen on this site.

so i guess
@skygazer @ruru @orfhz are you guys a clique?

[OkaPoka]

can you put into words why you think enigma is scum? im not seeing it

[OkaPoka]

look at how enigma continues to vote BuJaber 10 pages in

enigma scum reads me, other people on his wagon, and ruru, but continues to hold on to a weak opportunistic vote from page two for some reason. probably waiting for another wagon to form or being cautious with their vote while under scrutiny.

or he forgot

i mean look at me, im wagon he can hop on

UNVOTE:
ruru does not seem like a viable lynch today

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@invisbility im going to need for you to expand on your scumread on me, like put it into concrete words without using the words: tone, gut, feels off

Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one. I think I want to sheep skitter for now.

VOTE: Oka

is this just a sheep?

Nope. That was the slot that actually got me pulling my hair off. Al he seems to do is nitpick anything that anyone else says. It looks like he wants to stand out as "doing something different" but -at the same time- nothing productive. He's spewing doubt in every single case or line of reasoning anyone else tries to build upon and that's it.

link me some quotes

[OkaPoka]

@skitter30 you like how people hopped on the wagon with naked votes?

[OkaPoka]

pretty sure ausuka is in this game more than invis is, brass.

[OkaPoka]

@invisbility im going to need for you to expand on your scumread on me, like put it into concrete words without using the words: tone, gut, feels off

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: invisbility

ok will u xplain now

[OkaPoka]

ok so your reason for voting was:

a)your tone feels off
b) your gut feels off
c) other

[OkaPoka]

@skitter30 wait why are you voting engima? do you just like the people on the wagon?

I am getting a lot of blatant sheeping this game which is weird, would like to see more people creating unique cases or at least reiterating what other people say about someone as their reason for voting someone, not i think x is town so im going to sheep.

[OkaPoka]

not scumreading invis, definitely not for the oka vote; feel like the unapologetic nature of the vote instead of making up some justification is town-indicative.

i like the wagon situation w/ enigma and oka.

wut

you are really townreading a tone vote this late into day 1?

[OkaPoka]

not scumreading invis, definitely not for the oka vote; feel like the unapologetic nature of the vote instead of making up some justification is town-indicative.

i like the wagon situation w/ enigma and oka.

wut

you are really townreading a tone vote this late into day 1?

yeah, i feel like invis is town? it's 2 days into d1.

imo feels like a lame reason to tr but whatever

what made you compelled to voice your position on invis?

[OkaPoka]

Spoiler:

what are you referring to here?

Being persistent on shading ruru despite the fact (from my own PoV) it's clear she's town and her pick and claim came from a townie mindset.

But is there town motivation?

Again, beating a dead horse. If there's no

scum motivation

it's a town action. There are plenty of town motivation that are best kept hidden and it gets on my nerves -in general- when people persist on dwelling over a certain point to no end. (ex: I was once a Cop, and I got a clear on someone, and the town Vig was persistent on either shooting me or shooting my innocent regardless of the flip of the day lynch. I eventually burst and replaced out after telling them how stupid their play was. It was D2 and I was defending just ONE player. Isn't this reason enough to take a breath and consider the possibilities? Would scum stick their neck this far out to defend a buddy?)

Anyway..

Why wouldn't town pick an investigator role first or at least pretend to be one with the low keyness and then pgo.

People do not think alike nor do they act alike. This is trying to force his own way as the only correct way.

Why wouldn't town pick an investigator role first or at least pretend to be one with the low keyness and then pgo.

Because they'd be a prime target for the NK anyway. If you're #1 in the picking order and you're town, scum will always assume you picked Cop, Role Cop or JK/Tracker. However, TPRs don't know who's town and one of those might be inclined to investigate the person who picked first, hence the claim. (Otherwise it would have been great if she didn't claim and just obv!towned enough to guarantee she gets targeted by the NK on N1).

but why claim now? the plan falls apart completely and it serves town no purpose.

The answer to his question is within the very post he's quoting.

I don't think Engima was scumreading BuJaber

Explain 39 in light of Oka's statement. Also, why don't we ask Enigma himself rather than declare reads on his behalf?

sounds like he was doing some weird probability calculations/rvs vote. I don't think that is inherently scummy at this phase of the game, it was like a semi-rvs vote. It's not like BuJaber is going to be lynched this quick in the game.

So he does SR BuJaber. Or are his probability calculations indicative of intent to propose for marriage? And how can a vote based on the

probability of being scum

be considered a RANDOM vote?

What I am saying is that ruru may have not played it optimally for town but maybe she did play it optimally for scum.

The phrasing is still pinging me. "If it's not optimal town play then it maybe scum play!"

SCUM PGO DOES NOT CLAIM. They simply lurk and lure a TPR or two to drop by and BOOOM! That's it. Also PGO doesn't live to LyLo (unless we are lucky enough to have 2 scums down by then already), so ruru is asking to be lynched before LyLo. WHAT is the scum motivation there?

Let's assume the worst. ruru is a scum Vig. She claims to keep the investigatives away. Now why the hell does she do that (thus condemn herself to being lynched) when she could've just used up her vig shot on N1 anyway, and played to live longer?

Maybe I am a bit biased? Maybe it's a playing style thing? I dunno. But being skeptical is one thing ad spreading the seeds of doubt about most everything even the obvious is totally another.

Just my humble opinion.

ehh i disagree

1) ruru could have claimed later in the day, no need to drop the pgo btw early in the day
2) i guess i shouldn't have assumed enigma's intent but some1 asked me for an opinion on enigma i think so i gave them ti
3) i think engima's vote is less bujaber said x and that i scummy and more bujaber did this and chances are he is scum, but ask enigma i guess
4) my point is it seems like something town and scum could both potentially do, but it is more likely for scum to do. maybe im wrong, you do bring a valid point.
5) i still don't see im spreading the seeds of doubt of almost everything, i didn't like the enigma wagon if that is what you are referring to so yeah i kinda wanted it dead

[OkaPoka]

id hope that people would talk more when they are mentioned

also i don't see how this has anything to do with scumhunting

[OkaPoka]

People tend to talk when they are mentioned, it has to do with ego or something, I just want to make it more noticeable.

how does this have to do with scumhunting

[OkaPoka]

actually if you could go ahead and solve the game for me that would be very nice

[OkaPoka]

bruh dont meta dive me u wont like what you see

[OkaPoka]

viewtopic.php?p=7170051&user_select%5B%5D=23817#p717005

only if u have time and want entertainment

[OkaPoka]

Does scum put this much effort?

[OkaPoka]

answer is no, ruru ur town help me lynch invis now

[OkaPoka]

please

[OkaPoka]

because engima's reason for scumhunting seem to be town aligned, albeit disagreable. i can see the town motivation of trying to bring statistics into the game and trying to scumhunt using theory.

invis might as well post fluff as his reason to lynch ppl

[OkaPoka]

his statistics based scumhunting makes v little sense tho and resulted in an opportunistic vote on a wagon and even tho he's making an effort to look like he's scumhunting since then he hasn't taken his vote off the wagon

most ppl dont make sense on this website

i guess you see it as opportunistic, i dont really but eh

[OkaPoka]

Why is sando on your scum pool tho

If brass is town he's scum. I felt that he agreed with his meta analysis so that he wouldn't analyze him further.
If brass is scum I think Sando is town though. Kind of too obvious buddying there.
And sando picked a low number (4).
I think scum don't want to lose their shot at getting a PR and they would have tried (at least one of them would have) to pick one of the low numbers.

@ausuka - just feels like you aren't being controversial and both your votes were on rising wagons.

wait what?

everyone doesn't want to lose their shot at getting a PR, pregame is a game of wifom, sure one of them would have picked a low number is a reasonable assumption but if you selected three random players chances are at least one picked a lowish number. I don't see how this is insightful

[OkaPoka]

enigma lets say you are town,

who scum?

[OkaPoka]

wouldn't saying what you picked always benefit town?

[OkaPoka]

but enigma picked late enough in which it wouldnt out anything right?

[OkaPoka]

also i think cc'ing fakeclaims should happen if the wagon dissipates

or just lolhammer if you aren't on the wagon and you see a fakeclaim

[OkaPoka]

what if you hypo inno'd someone and then you end up scumreading them later?

[OkaPoka]

Night 3 Vigilante OR Vengeful
1-Shot Vigilante OR 1-Shot PGO (active)
Cop OR 1-Shot Redirector
1-Shot Commuter OR 1-Shot Watcher
Doctor OR Roleblocker
Universal Backup OR Role Cop
Neighborizer OR Fruit Vendor
Jailkeeper OR Tracker

also about the whole rb thing:
n3 vigi/vengeful wouldn't know about rb tmr
if ruru is honest about being pgo no vigi so don't no about rb
COP WOULD KNOW IF THEY WERE RB, not redirector i believe
commuter happens before rb usually, WATCHER WOULD KNOW IF THEY WERE SUCCESFUL IT APPEARS
doctor no, roleblocker no
universal backup no, ROLECOP YES
neighborizer maybe? fruit vendor no
jk no, tracker yes

i think claiming you were rb'd in this plan would basically be a big sign saying HEY SCUM IM AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE, SHOOT ME

[OkaPoka]

ehh let's not get into gambit territory with fakeclaiming roleblocks because that just opens the door for policy lynches

[OkaPoka]

then what is AI for him?

[OkaPoka]

the impression i got from reading his scumgame in Coalition was that he was less flippant and more cooperative there. so for example, i think 253 is more likely to come from town than scum invis

basically, if you're expecting paragraphs or even sentences of analysis from invis, i highly doubt you'll get that from him from either alignment.

meh sorry but this doesn't help me sort him so I'm sticking to invis=scum

[OkaPoka]

@BuJaber but you do agree that creating wifom is more beneficial for scum than town right?

[OkaPoka]

im going to actually have to agree here with the folks on the enigma wagon that enigma's refusal to take his semi-rvs vote off or make a case against bujaber is fishy. furthermore enigma's admission to not really scumhunting is throwing me for a loop here, we are 16 pages in soo

[OkaPoka]

If Enigma flips scum then Oka is a likely candidate for a partner

im ok with this

[OkaPoka]

enigma is town because how the wagon formed is scummy as hell

[OkaPoka]

scum is in here
{ Skygazer, ruru, ofrhz, skitter30}

[OkaPoka]

+ cj if i wasn't townreading him

[OkaPoka]

im saying it's fishy but he is town

because how the wagon formed is scummy as hell

[OkaPoka]

because when the wagon formed enigma wasn't really guilty imo of these traits

but the fact that he still isn't changing is getting weirder and weirder

im saying fishy because i don't want to specify scummy, maybe he just has a big ego and wants to stick to his guns

[OkaPoka]

and town often do double down

[OkaPoka]

the circumstances of the quick wagon lead me to believe it was foul play, though im really banking on enigma flipping town here

someone in there has to be scum, no way a weak ass wagon grows that quickly with naked votes and weak cases that early on purely from town

[OkaPoka]

1 or 2 imo

it's a start but i think poe can solve the rest

@skygazer the doubling down is his continued insistence on leaving his vote on bujaber

[OkaPoka]

it doesn't make since but often times doubling down doesn't make logical sense im just trying to figure out who is the scum here

[OkaPoka]

enigma is town because how the wagon formed is scummy as hell

What makes you think it's not svs?

i didnt actually consider this

huh brb

[OkaPoka]

scum vs scum is a possibility but unlikely

it was unlikely enigma would be lynched at that time with bujaber and my lynch stock rising so i dont see why scum would redirect

[OkaPoka]

honestly orfhz might be the scum on the wagon

[OkaPoka]

svs is engima scum and enigma wagon is also scum

[OkaPoka]

svs is engima scum and enigma wagon is also scum

What changed between 392 and now?

huh?

[OkaPoka]

my 412 should answer your question, no?

[OkaPoka]

Ruru asked me to consider a possibility so I did?

[OkaPoka]

@skitter30 i think i answered your questions but now im leaning most towards orfhz being the scum assuming enigma is town
@sando yeah bussing isn't a new concept it's just i wasn't considering it, call me a retard whatever, don't think it is likely tho in this case

[OkaPoka]

retard might not be the PC term, maybe dumb or slow

[OkaPoka]

@enigma im getting the impression that orfhz doesn't want to get his/her hands dirty, you?

[OkaPoka]

okay engima, what's the deal with your vote still? is bujaber still your top scumread? I'm not seeing any indication of you trying to figure out BuJaber. Are you doubling down?

[OkaPoka]

town ppl liek to get involved while scum ppl dont liek to dirty their hands if possible and let town dirty their hands and get hung for it

[OkaPoka]

because she seems to be asking questions and making comments but not really pushing anything hard

[OkaPoka]

im pretty easy to read if you just assume im town which i am so its a good assumption

do the right thing

[OkaPoka]

because naked votes that's why i think the wagon is scummy tho it might be too early to make assumptions about alignment, so yeah i can be completely wrong and it turns out enigma is scum after all, im just theorizing that the most likely scenario in my head is it is a scum motivated wagon on a town player because the wagon dynamics paint it so

[OkaPoka]

@enigma how important is your role for town?

[OkaPoka]

yeah but i wanna see ur flip now ngl

[OkaPoka]

though i appreciate you townreading me,
tone reads really

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: vulcan logician

im not liking this play coming from vulcan

he is being lazy but sheepy

[OkaPoka]

one thing to be a lazy player

another thing to be a sheep player

but its a whole thing to be a lazy, sheep player who wants to pressure other players

[OkaPoka]

Hey guys, I'm here. I'm like 3 pages behind but I'm catching up. So sorry to have not contributed. I'm gonna do a list of ISO reads to make up for it though.

So far, I gotta say that Ceej is the towniest I've ever seen him. I lean town on him, but my inner paranoiac wonders if scum!ceej is just not super towny. (I've never played with Ceej as scum.) I know that I tend to come off as more towny when I roll scum... perhaps because, in those cases, I actually take time to do things with the intent to come off as towny.

I'm no longer feeling my BuJaber vote, so

UNVOTE:

Also ofrhz seems pretty town too.

I'll probably have a scum pick or two after I do my ISOs, so stay tuned.

also what happened from here to there

[OkaPoka]

looks like im seeing how u respond to pressure and seeing the potential opportunity to create momentum on a vulcan wagon then aren't I?

yeah a lazy sheep is scum, town is somewhat motivated to find scum while scum just doesnt want to die or get their buddies lynched.

[OkaPoka]

I actually feel like engima flip might be the most beneficial for town atm but we have times still so whatever

[OkaPoka]

Catching up.

UNVOTE:

I actually feel like engima flip might be the most beneficial for town atm but we have times still so whatever

How so?

because wagon dynamics brooooooooooooooooooo

[OkaPoka]

anyway now i can do this
UNVOTE:
VOTE: AP

huh?

[OkaPoka]

This game's a disaster

all day 1's feel like a disaster imo

@cj i believe that the situation leading up to engima's wagon is especially fishy so if he flips town we can analyze what went wrong as it would then be scum motivated. if he is scum then we analyze who might have been bussing and who might have been doing bad interactions and who was trying to start counterwagons.

@ap but y ap

[OkaPoka]

ah fuck @invis but y ap

[OkaPoka]

so you are just throwing votes down semi-randomly?

[OkaPoka]

he went




i think cj is town tho


@skitter30 what isnt playstyle indicative and is alignment indicative for you

[OkaPoka]

at this point im reaching just lynch lurkers territory

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: enigma

meh at this point we aren't going to figure anything without a flip. would prefer a lynch on vulcan but meh

[OkaPoka]

sorry whats the point of enigma doing all these calculations?

[OkaPoka]

okay my question is what are the odds that scum!bujaber picked 6 and what are the odds town!bujaber picked 6

[OkaPoka]

@ruru what are the point of these questions?

[OkaPoka]

because i dont see how one field of engineering is going to drastically change someone's ability to do statistics.

[OkaPoka]

i find it helpful that since im a highschool student taking physics next year i might have someone to help me so thanks ruru for asking these questions!

[OkaPoka]

also if you look at my join date that means hehe xd

[OkaPoka]

y=mx+b

enigma if u dont find a viable lynch u become the viable lynch

[OkaPoka]

maybe ofrhz isnt the scum on the enigma wagon

[OkaPoka]

i like skitter's post because she made a confusing paper more understandable with a nice conclusion

@ruru i dont think its bizarre to do an rvs vote based on a paper. it only got bizarre later when the vote wasn't coming off and he wasn't indicating he thought bujaber was scum either.

[OkaPoka]

@cardi are you an alt?

[OkaPoka]

@CARDI B ARE YOU AN ALT

[OkaPoka]

This has to be an alt who is doing some serious roleplaying.

that being said i don't know how cardi b acts i just know she exists so im going to need some secondary sources on this one

[OkaPoka]

are u caught up?

@cardib do you have prior experience with mafia?

[OkaPoka]

@cardi b do you have any prior experience playing mafia on this website?

[OkaPoka]

someone is being a bit hidden with their answer so i have to get more and more specific

[OkaPoka]

this is going to be slightly frustrating trying to read her and invis

hopefully we have some roles that can clear that up

[OkaPoka]

well i guess ill try a more game related question

@cardi b, why am i scum?

[OkaPoka]

also being funny/memes is an excellent way to not get lynched as scum

sample size (1 marathon game)

[OkaPoka]

we can TIs or TKs solve cardi b at night knowing that this isnt a pgo play

so i think invis/cardi b are off the table lynches today

[OkaPoka]

@AP are you caught up to the current?

[OkaPoka]

because im not giving a viable reason to scumread enigma while pushing enigma at the same time so it looks like i have a viable reason to claim towncred if enigma flips town but if he flips scum i can be like oh look i knew it.

[OkaPoka]

because im not giving a viable reason to scumread enigma while pushing enigma at the same time so it looks like i have a viable reason to claim towncred if enigma flips town but if he flips scum i can be like oh look i knew it.

Why does this feel wrong to me

because im explicitly giving you a reason to scumread me, making you ask yourself, why would town!okapoka make that post?

[OkaPoka]

because im not giving a viable reason to scumread enigma while pushing enigma at the same time so it looks like i have a viable reason to claim towncred if enigma flips town but if he flips scum i can be like oh look i knew it.

Why does this feel wrong to me

because im explicitly giving you a reason to scumread me, making you ask yourself, why would town!okapoka make that post?

and before you inception this one level deeper

i just want this dancing around my post to stop, just say what you believe everyone no need to make open ended questions that only you can really answer

[OkaPoka]

well i saw you were spilling your scum agenda so i figured i'd try for some more spillage [/s]

does town-oka usually try to preempt criticism by bluntly stating their possible scum motivations?

sometimes?

as an excellent expert on okapoka, I'd say its more NAI

[OkaPoka]

n a k e d v o t e s t h a t n e e d m o r e e x p l a n a t i o n

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: AP

i think this guy is the scum ruru

iso him, he isn't really bothering to scum hunt or play. especially his recent posts. at least invis is making a weak attempt.

[OkaPoka]

in my last game with AP he was "off" but we wanted to game solve.

this game he doesn't want to game solve

[OkaPoka]

does everybody in this game have meta as a fucking defense

what the fuck

i feel like im like x is scummy and someone else is like nah its their meta

[OkaPoka]

have all of you played with each other or something?

do you guys know each other's meta enough to be able to decipher when their bullshit is town bullshit and when their bullshit is scum bullshit?

[OkaPoka]

UNVOTE:


welp its official
im less confident in finding scum rn than rvs

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: vulcan logician

im tired and want to put my vote somewhere and he has the least amount of posts

/logic

[OkaPoka]

what if this was a scum push but because of the amount of lurkers and general lack of activity in this game, they realized that they cannot actually realistically get an enigma lynch so the wagon is going to dissipate until scum finds a new target.

[OkaPoka]

how are wagons getting weaker and weaker and less people are voting as this day goes by

[OkaPoka]

isnt that why they were attempts and not actual counterwagons

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: AP

im going back to this

[OkaPoka]

because he isn't doing anything

[OkaPoka]

*sad quack*

[OkaPoka]

eh ill lynch invis too today i guess

invis or ap

also fine with flipping enigma just so we can see his alignment

[OkaPoka]

why is AP in your not-lynch today?

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: invisibility

i encourage everyone else to find a wagon and put your vote somewhere

[OkaPoka]

Okadude can u tell me anything for why invisibilty is on the table again?

not doing anything

can verfiy TI is town investigative and TK is town killing

cj might be scum
orfhz might be scum

[OkaPoka]

did u hammer before a claim happened

if so ur gone tmr

[OkaPoka]

invis put himself at l1?

[OkaPoka]

I haven't watched Austin Powers, are you roleplaying?

[OkaPoka]

I don't know if confirming invis would be that helpful to town vs more active players

[OkaPoka]

I mean wasting a town investigator on him for a night.

We flip him because he is unreadable

[OkaPoka]

invis stopped communicating again

like he was going to start talking with a few posts so i was hoping that he would be consistent
but not anymore i guess

[OkaPoka]

what can you do when you get a lolhammer

[OkaPoka]

when then duck arrives he will quack up your role

you can make your own rules by claiming now

or u can let the ducks decide ur fate

[OkaPoka]

top 10 anime twists

how much do you want to bet maf picked the pgo/vig slot

[OkaPoka]

actually town might have picked vigi and shot ruru

which means scum would have been blocked from their nk

or we have the scenario in which scum picked pgo/vig (i think vig is morel likely)
but they have potentially two nks, i don't see why they wouldn't just use them

so in conclusion i think its likely that scum either got blocked on one kill or someone got saved

this means absolutely nothing btw

[OkaPoka]

why no double kill n1 is my question

[OkaPoka]

explain

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: sando

wrt scum on the wagon i'm townreading ruru and to a certain extent cj, and ofrhz's vote made a lot of sense to me in that context, so if there were scum on it i think it's in {ausuka, sky}

what do you think about invisibility?

This is kinda what I was looking for. It felt like a lot of busy-work to come to an "enigma is town" conclusion and then not follow through with the implications of that. You're not a "not follow through" kinda gal.

Invisibility in my lynchpool fo sho. I think Enigma's vote just now says there's one scum in those two. I generally prefer Enigma over Invisibility though.

Skitter/AP/Cardi/CJ are firmly in my not-lynch today.
Enigma/Invis/Vulcan/BuJaber are my happy to lynch today, in no particular order.
Everyone else I need more convincing or less time on the clock to get a lynch out of me.

i think this post is just to cover his tracks

discuss

[OkaPoka]

the wagon blew up and it was basically a meme

chance that scum didn't even have time to sneak on

[OkaPoka]

the wagon blew up and it was basically a meme

chance that scum didn't even have time to sneak on

This sounds like something someone who snuck onto the wagon would say

This sounds like something someone who failed to sneak onto the wagon would say

[OkaPoka]

i would have shot ruru if i was town vig

[OkaPoka]

where did skygazer say this ?

[OkaPoka]

How does that give Sando townpoints?

[OkaPoka]

setup speculation in niche cases is one way to appear to be helping town without actually helping town

[OkaPoka]

Sando didn't necessarily know the lynch was going to happen that fast

[OkaPoka]

Am I?

[OkaPoka]

INVISIBILITY HAS BEEN LYNCHED.

HE WAS A

MAFIA GOON

NIGHT ONE BEGINS NOW, AND WILL END IN

(expired on 2018-07-22 09:00:00)




PLEASE SEND IN ANY NIGHT ACTIONS BEFORE THEN!

actually this post made me drop most of my scumreads so i guess you are right

[OkaPoka]

ap hammer makes me think ap is town

when i first voted invis i thought there was a decent chance of him being scum, but it was mostly a talk or die vote
then the wagon blew up so i was like wtf where does this go
and then AP just hammered out of nowhere so i was pretty sure invis was town after hammer
but flips makes me think ap is town

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: sando

[OkaPoka]

sando who are you scum reading ?

[OkaPoka]

but thanks for making a pointless post <3

[OkaPoka]

what question? you want me to say what's special here?

[OkaPoka]

sample size n=1

[OkaPoka]

And not_mafia was readable 4 years ago people change

[OkaPoka]

I think you might be scum, I linked a post in which I think I scummy, any other questions?

[OkaPoka]

i made a case on you that said you were unreadable?

[OkaPoka]

ok those are different games?

[OkaPoka]

Then I don't see what point you are trying to make here.

[OkaPoka]

im getting the impression that we as a town have no direction to go

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: ausuka

ausuka never joined invis wagon
ausuka's justification for townreading invis is really lame and kinda lazy in retrospect

ausuka might be invis scumbuddy

[OkaPoka]

UNVOTE:

[OkaPoka]

Sando - leantown
skitter30 - town
AP - null
brassherald - slight townlean
BuJaber - townlean
Ausuka - town
Skygazer - null
vulcan logician - siteflaked?
ceejayvinoya - null
ruru - townlean actually
ofrhz - town
OkaPoka - townlean
Enigma - null
{AP, Skygazer, Ceejay, Enigma, vulcan}
VOTE: vulcan logician

does invis put scumbuddies into lynch pool?

[OkaPoka]

Ap i think is town
skygazer is town
ceejay is probs town

<enigma, vulcan> by PoE

enigma voted for invis

VOTE: vulcan logician by shitty PoE

[OkaPoka]

can we start voting ppl zzz

[OkaPoka]

@the worst im voting vulcan atm

[OkaPoka]

its never too early to start drinking

[OkaPoka]

or so ive heard

sando gimme some readz

[OkaPoka]

I want cardi to check in and say something before i wagon her

and i find your reaosning to vote cardi without adding anything a bit sus

[OkaPoka]

wow i cant type/spell

@vulcan who are you scumreading?

[OkaPoka]

@ Okapoka

Well, Cardi is a bit unreadable, but Brassherald was a tad shady. Plus I believe that there was at least one scum on the Vizzy wagon. Remember, I'm all about making wagons to generate info this day cycle, and I said as much. I see where you're coming from waiting for her to check in, but I hardly see how my wagon on her is sus.

p-edit: SRing maybe Bujaber or Sando... a bit unable to find a definite scum read though.

What makes you inclined to believe that there is at least one scum on the wagon?

[OkaPoka]

cj began the game being reasonable and stuff

now he is being quiet and not pushy and not generating much content
+scum killed ruru, a content generator

thus

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

yeah he l-1'd but whatever cj isn't pushing anything. his agenda appears to be xd lul which was invis' agenda just with a little more effort

[OkaPoka]

whats the point of this

[OkaPoka]

why arent you voting ap then?

[OkaPoka]

@the_worst @mod

could u prod cardi b?

[OkaPoka]

are u going to go into detail about how u selected that pool?

[OkaPoka]

i mean how can anyone even react to that

do you want us to sheep you on faith? how does skitter even say anything with that vote and reasoning?

[OkaPoka]

is this whats happening?

[OkaPoka]

oh great

we have a potentially have a weak town investigative sided setup for town

[OkaPoka]

okay you made this really obvious

also how do you know that ausuka isn't playing you?

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: ausuka

meh i think ausuka is scum

[OkaPoka]

i think if i had the pgo/vigi slot, id be pushing ruru the entirety of day 1

im a lynch all liars type of player, i dont like gambits that involve fakeclaims

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: skitter

ill take this on faith tho

if this works im converting to <insert religion>

[OkaPoka]

Yeah Vulcan might be scum, more likely scum than skitter but assuming ausuka is town, her reads are probably more on point than mine.

[OkaPoka]

probably the neighborizing

[OkaPoka]

y?

[OkaPoka]

enigma who are u scumreading

[OkaPoka]

enigma thats not a person in this game


who are you scumreading, enigma?

[OkaPoka]

thats not the case for skitter i believe

its more about claims/ruru

[OkaPoka]

id rather vote vulcan as well but vulcan wagon seems unlikely to form with much steam vs this which is somewhat established