NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Chickadee]

[Chickadee]

HWS, you could just say hi like a normal person :p

[Chickadee]

howdy chickadee

Hi TW

I might not shoot you this game!

[Chickadee]

VOTE: No Lynch

Well this is worse than giving us yourself as scum, Elbirn. Wanna wagon your scum buddy here?

I am actually inclined to give both Elbirn and Rask slight town points for their entrances. Slight.

Elbirn has since lost the town points, for pushing his entrance and running with it.

But I like that they both went against the crowd, because it stands out. It's a moment in the game where it's acceptable to go with the crowd and throw any old vote out there. They didn't have to stand out, but they went with the option anyway.

[Chickadee]

So you admit I’ve contributed something. Why did you lie about me and say I haven’t contributed?

I’m not tunneling either. Please stop lying about me.

This reads as needlessly defensive.

[Chickadee]

ausuka town!

[Chickadee]

I will catch up on this...at some point. Probably tomorrow.

[Chickadee]

Welcome Andrius!

[Chickadee]

I also want to hear more from Chickadee and anyone with less than 20 posts.

I would also like to hear more from me. My focus is going to be on this game tonight, so I should be able to get some stuff down. I got really uninvested during the last few pages, which made it hard for me to contribute.

Ausuka deff looks the worst out of all players on my wagon.

I want to look at the other two wagons and still need to put all my town reads down on paper

I'd like to hear more about this, because at the moment, Ausuka is in my town pile.


@Magna, our thoughts are lining up a lot right now. I don't know that I have enough to really have 4 or 5 scumspects. I have more town reads than scum reads at the moment, but I will absolutely check in with this as my reads form more.

Specifically, I have the same town list as you right now. Inferno, Elbirn, Rask and Ausuka. I might even throw in TW, but I'm unsure as of right now. And so far I would say I'm getting town vibes from you, but I think I need some more time with you to sort you better.

[Chickadee]

Actually Flubber, could you talk specifically about why other people on your wagon are better, rather than why Ausuka is worse?

[Chickadee]

@Magna, our thoughts are lining up a lot right now. I don't know that I have enough to really have 4 or 5 scumspects. I have more town reads than scum reads at the moment, but I will absolutely check in with this as my reads form more.

Even if you don't have solid reads per see ... just let me see some pure gut reaction scum reads as soon as you can. I know postgame of TheList we had the discussion where I encouraged you to follow your gut given how nicely it worked there. It is indeed early I just wanted to see what you came up with here.

Yea, I knew that's where that request was coming from. I've kept it to heart. The feedback you gave me actually meant a lot. Let me skim back through the thread, and I'll get back to you.

[Chickadee]

This is where I am before looking back through things. I'm going to start from the bottom of this list and work my way up in ISO's. Each section is not necessarily in order, but the sections at the top stand out as more towny in my mind. The top section is really the only people I would absolutely not lynch today.

Elbirn
Raskolnikov
Inferno390
Ausuka

MagnaofIllusion
the worst

xyzzy
Andrius
HeWhoSwims
dramonic
HitAlt
Profii
Skygazer
davesaz

brassherald
Flubbernugget

[Chickadee]

what if I told you brass is town?

I'm listening.

Actually Flubber, could you talk specifically about why other people on your wagon are better, rather than why Ausuka is worse?

A big part of my town read on brassherald is his interactions with gavot (already forgot their name but that's close enough). I've already talked about that.

I don't know in what realm Ausuka looks more town than Moi, who is taking a strong role in leading the town and generating content.

I'd like to know more about why you're town reading Ausuka tbh

I just haven't seen enough from Magna yet to move him up to that top tier. Just because he comes in and does wall posts does not make him town. But I do like what I HAVE seen so far. Hence 2nd tier.

And I'll get back to you about Ausuka, when I'm going through things.

[Chickadee]

The thing that bothers me most about flubbers posting is that their entire catch up is self focused.

[Chickadee]

Ok brass can be town today. I think i was getting him confused with someone else when I did that list.

[Chickadee]

Okay, yeah, Skygazer, dramonic, flubber, and chick seems like a scumteam, after rereading the iso for Skygazer.

By the way, Chick has, to my memory always scumread me and I don't believe I have ever been in a game with her where I rolled scum. I'm disturbed by the fact that she backed down from a read on me by saying she was attributing posts by someone else to me, as if anyone really posts like me. Low priority in my order, though.

Duck, if you drop a vote on Skygazer, I'll join you.

I'll explain a bit. I'm a very visual person. Your name is BRASSherald. Davesaz's avi is literally a picture of a Rodin statue, which the majority of, are cast in metal. So in my mind, I was linking the two without going back to look.

[Chickadee]

I see less "caught for the reason" and more "you guys are idiots for scumreading me because I'm town and therefore cannot be scummy"

This is what I got out of it as well.

[Chickadee]

I feel like chickadee has less content than me and I've been lurking pretty hard by this point so that's pretty sus but she could also just be in the same situation I've been in.

I disagree.

I've given some reads, and interacted with flubber a bit. I would say I have a good bit more content that you. I just tend to be a fairly low poster.

[Chickadee]

@Flubber - you asked why I am town reading Ausuka. I just pulled a few things.

I like that Ausuka was producingcontent early on and forming reads. And more importantly, I like the actual content they were producing.

VOTE: No Lynch

Well this is worse than giving us yourself as scum, Elbirn. Wanna wagon your scum buddy here?

Why is this scummy to you?

VOTE: Skygazer

I feel like the description of raskol's NL vote as "LAMIST" is probably the scummiest thing in the thread so far.

With this next quote, I just cant see any scum motivation in it. It's an effort on Ausuka's part to stop the toxic behaivor, and scum benefits more from sitting back.

As said previously {inferno, gustavo, profii} likely contains 0 scum and scum have probably been watching town implode so far. Let's try to put some focus on the real scum please instead of this. Is anyone willing to defend flubber?

[Chickadee]

Chick, mediating arguments is NAI because scum doesn't have to reason about alignment to be able to do it.

Why would scum not just do so in a PT though.

I tend to see mediating arguments coming from town 9 times out of 10.

[Chickadee]

Chick, mediating arguments is NAI because scum doesn't have to reason about alignment to be able to do it.

Why would scum not just do so in a PT though.

I tend to see mediating arguments coming from town 9 times out of 10.

1) I'm counting this post as a strike against you on the grounds of PT slipping

2) 9 out of 10 is bad odds when the majority of the game is town anyway.

Haha...ok

And I'm saying that in all the games I see arguments, it's very very rarely scum that encourages breaking up arguments. Not just this game. Arguments create good grounds for scum to hide and lurk, because they tend to make town demotivated as well. So it's easy to blend in.

[Chickadee]

Why would that be PT slipping?

Because I alluded to knowing scum PT exists.

I think flubber is trying to shade me there.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: flubbernugget

[Chickadee]

Welcome Taly!



__________

I know some people have posed questions to me about my town reads, as well as my activity. Sorry I won't be getting to them tonight. I'm dead tired after work here. I'm also a wee bit behind. I've skimmed most things, but haven't really read all of it. I think Davesaz comes across as town in that interaction though. So congrats Taly, on rolling town.

[Chickadee]

Love her acting and she was amazing as Vanessa Ives in Penny Dreadful

omg, she was amazing.




Side note, not sure how I'm feeling about your posting so far. I feel like you've taken every chance to mention that you're town. And bumping someone because they town read you is baaaad.

[Chickadee]

Am I literally insane for thinking that Taly is scum for babbling about having a meta read on his own predecessor Dave? One of the oldest scum tells in the book, albeit I've forgotten the name of it, but yeah no one? Anyone? Bueller?

You are not alone.

[Chickadee]

(In no particular order within groups)

Elbirn - Liked his entrance, made him stand out, has continued to have good thought process since then.
Ausuka - I've talked a bit about this slot already. Solid town for me.
MagnaofIllusion - failing to see scum motivation in his posts. Would need some compelling evidence to lynch.
Andrius - I think I can confidently sort Andrius into a town slot.

brassherald - After mentally sorting this person correctly in my mind I'm town reading them.
Inferno390 - Not much to say, but I like their posts
dramonic
the worst - weary here. I think this is someone I am always destined to town read.
Taly - probably would not lynch today unless it seemed like that was the only option toward day end. They did get better. I actually kind of like that they were willing to abandon their reads and finish a full catch up before coming back to give updated reads. But there are still some ping worthy moments here.

HitAlt - not much to say that hasn't been said.
Raskolnikov - Need a lot more content here, but I do like what has been posted. I'm concerned about people town reading them and then they lurk. Seems like playing too safe.
HeWhoSwims - not terribly much to say.
Profii - feels like someone I am destined to always scum read.
xyzzy - please do more, thanks
Skygazer - not sure if all the scum reads on this slot are warranted, but I also dont think they've been omgsuperobvtown

Flubbernugget - biggest scum read. Don't like their catch up, and agree with pretty much everything brought up against them.




Roooough mental sorting. Sorry I've been absent. My mind has been elsewhere lately. I'm most in favor of a flubber lynch today. unless something big happens, that's where my vote is staying.

The top tier I would absolutely not lynch today.

[Chickadee]

Chickadee, are you busy or just under the radar? Because you also haven't done much and we're creeping ever closer to the deadline and I'd love to sit down and talk board games lynch some scum with you before the end.

I'm not trying to fly under the radar. I've been busy, and when I haven't been busy I've been distracted/not int he right state of mind. But I'm pushing myself to get into the swing of things.

[Chickadee]

Yeah, I'll add pressure to hit while waiting for flubber to catch up on questions. I mean, how could I say no to a crusade?

VOTE: HitAlt

This implies a willingness to vote for flubber, but not necessarily a wantingness.

Why put pressure there, instead of flubber?

[Chickadee]

Yeeeppp

It sure is.

[Chickadee]

Oh god, I've been prodded. Ahh!

Ok, catching up a bit. Sooorrrrry.

[Chickadee]

@HitAlt, can you show me a few flub posts you really like? I don't need comments (though they're welcomed).

[Chickadee]

Hitalt are you missing all the prompts to do this or are just choosing not to?

No.
Absent-minded because of IRL.
Tired all the time too.
It took me more than I ever thought possible to make that one longer post.
I'll try to make another tomorrow.

When you do that, could you answer my question to you as well?

[Chickadee]

Strong Scum

flubber
HitAlt

Your two scumreads are the two viable wagons we have today?

This is a damning thing and I still think Skygazer is scum

Woops sorry pine for activity. Been tired.

I'm still willing to lynch in [Gazer, Taly, Dram, Hit, Chick], my preference is [Hit/Gazer/Dram] at this point

Well I guess - people who TR in those, convince me?

And people not in that pool, discuss the reads with me or so?

tbf, I'm not a bad D1 lynch. I'm a better D2 lynch

Ooooor never lynched.

[Chickadee]

Okay, I’m just gonna say this:
The whole “I’m a good lynch at so and so point or not at all” thing is starting to get old.
It was one thing early on with Duck, who plays an excellent scum game and has endgamed me once with good play.
It’s just obnoxious when everyone goes around saying that they aren’t a good lynch today because they’ll be easier to sort D2/are always scummy D1/whatever.
If you play scummy, you’re gonna get lynched. If you don’t want to get lynched, forward the town game state more. Don’t feed out that shoddy D1 cop out. Give real definable reasons why you shouldn’t be lynched, and play towards town benefit more. Give reads. Actively scumhunt. Show us that you shouldn’t be lynched instead of just saying it.

Going back to being chill now.

I wasn't trying to be facetious. It's not about me being easier to sort.

[Chickadee]

hi guys

is flubber still obvscum?

Yes



I'm slightly behind guys, and I'm on my way out the door, but I shoooould be around tonight, and we need to figure out a lynch.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Xyzzy

Flashwagon this. Xyzzy has naught but fluffposting and walls of "I like this post" with no real substance or analysis and actually clicking through their wall of post links only furthers the disappointment.

Scum is lurking through this game and letting us run up lynch baity people for playing poorly but not necessarily scummy. Rally to me boys and girls and xirs, the dark times end now

Ok
VOTE: xyzzy

But Elbirn, thoughts on xyzzy's latest post? It was a good one...at least what of it I skimmed. Gonna be honest, I am getting very sleepy at the moment.

[Chickadee]

UNVOTE: xyzzy

I don't know that a xyzzy flip will be the best flip today. But that was a fun wagon while it lasted.

I still want a Flub flip over anything else.

VOTE: flubbernugget

[Chickadee]

I would not be down for a Dram lynch. I buy the claim, and I was never really sure why there was a Dram wagon tbh.

Can someone give me a compelling reason we're not lynching flubber?

Wasn't this game advertised as mild role madness? I can see a prime number modifier being used for balance purposes or something.

According to wikipedia, 1 is not prime. I majored in music.

possible new favorite person onsite

D:

[Chickadee]

do we trust Andrius' read on dram? because Flubz is a rad lynch if we can't get dram. still. anyone who unvoted dram exclusively for the roleclaim should feel mighty silly

For what it's worth, I don't think Dram is a good lynch for today anyway. I'm firmly in the flub lynch camp.

[Chickadee]

I'm yet to experience a situation where confidence has let me down. let's sheep Andrius.

BTW you seem very considered and careful this game chickadee

I'm really ok with sheeping Andrius



And I'm not sure what you mean with that comment.

[Chickadee]

I'm yet to experience a situation where confidence has let me down. let's sheep Andrius.

BTW you seem very considered and careful this game chickadee

I'm really ok with sheeping Andrius



And I'm not sure what you mean with that comment.

just a general comment, you're coming across as very reflective this game (more so than usual) :>

Yea, Chick has been surfing this whole game.

The above two comments about me conflict with each other, and I agree more with HitAlt's comment. Which makes me think TW could be scum, trying to pocket me? Is that an insane assumption?

Yea, Chick has been surfing this whole game.

Myloninja's not in this game.

It's a chickadee...silly. Is me.

@Taly

You stated my thoughts exactly for a flubber wagon. They only post when they're being suspected, and much of their posting is self centric.

[Chickadee]

Andrius, If you come over the the flub wagon, I promise to be more active tomorrow.

(I will be more active regardless, but I hope this entices you)

[Chickadee]

@Taly

, I'm not sure what you mean. below are the posts of mine that aren't about me. It's almost all of my ISO.

Spoiler: Mooost of my ISO

VOTE: No Lynch

Well this is worse than giving us yourself as scum, Elbirn. Wanna wagon your scum buddy here?

I am actually inclined to give both Elbirn and Rask slight town points for their entrances. Slight.

Elbirn has since lost the town points, for pushing his entrance and running with it.

But I like that they both went against the crowd, because it stands out. It's a moment in the game where it's acceptable to go with the crowd and throw any old vote out there. They didn't have to stand out, but they went with the option anyway.

So you admit I’ve contributed something. Why did you lie about me and say I haven’t contributed?

I’m not tunneling either. Please stop lying about me.

This reads as needlessly defensive.

ausuka town!

Actually Flubber, could you talk specifically about why other people on your wagon are better, rather than why Ausuka is worse?

what if I told you brass is town?

I'm listening.

Actually Flubber, could you talk specifically about why other people on your wagon are better, rather than why Ausuka is worse?

A big part of my town read on brassherald is his interactions with gavot (already forgot their name but that's close enough). I've already talked about that.

I don't know in what realm Ausuka looks more town than Moi, who is taking a strong role in leading the town and generating content.

I'd like to know more about why you're town reading Ausuka tbh

I just haven't seen enough from Magna yet to move him up to that top tier. Just because he comes in and does wall posts does not make him town. But I do like what I HAVE seen so far. Hence 2nd tier.

And I'll get back to you about Ausuka, when I'm going through things.

The thing that bothers me most about flubbers posting is that their entire catch up is self focused.

Ok brass can be town today. I think i was getting him confused with someone else when I did that list.

I see less "caught for the reason" and more "you guys are idiots for scumreading me because I'm town and therefore cannot be scummy"

This is what I got out of it as well.

@Flubber - you asked why I am town reading Ausuka. I just pulled a few things.

I like that Ausuka was producingcontent early on and forming reads. And more importantly, I like the actual content they were producing.

VOTE: No Lynch

Well this is worse than giving us yourself as scum, Elbirn. Wanna wagon your scum buddy here?

Why is this scummy to you?

VOTE: Skygazer

I feel like the description of raskol's NL vote as "LAMIST" is probably the scummiest thing in the thread so far.

With this next quote, I just cant see any scum motivation in it. It's an effort on Ausuka's part to stop the toxic behaivor, and scum benefits more from sitting back.

As said previously {inferno, gustavo, profii} likely contains 0 scum and scum have probably been watching town implode so far. Let's try to put some focus on the real scum please instead of this. Is anyone willing to defend flubber?

Chick, mediating arguments is NAI because scum doesn't have to reason about alignment to be able to do it.

Why would scum not just do so in a PT though.

I tend to see mediating arguments coming from town 9 times out of 10.

Chick, mediating arguments is NAI because scum doesn't have to reason about alignment to be able to do it.

Why would scum not just do so in a PT though.

I tend to see mediating arguments coming from town 9 times out of 10.

1) I'm counting this post as a strike against you on the grounds of PT slipping

2) 9 out of 10 is bad odds when the majority of the game is town anyway.

Haha...ok

And I'm saying that in all the games I see arguments, it's very very rarely scum that encourages breaking up arguments. Not just this game. Arguments create good grounds for scum to hide and lurk, because they tend to make town demotivated as well. So it's easy to blend in.

VOTE: flubbernugget

Love her acting and she was amazing as Vanessa Ives in Penny Dreadful

omg, she was amazing.




Side note, not sure how I'm feeling about your posting so far. I feel like you've taken every chance to mention that you're town. And bumping someone because they town read you is baaaad.

Am I literally insane for thinking that Taly is scum for babbling about having a meta read on his own predecessor Dave? One of the oldest scum tells in the book, albeit I've forgotten the name of it, but yeah no one? Anyone? Bueller?

You are not alone.

(In no particular order within groups)

Elbirn - Liked his entrance, made him stand out, has continued to have good thought process since then.
Ausuka - I've talked a bit about this slot already. Solid town for me.
MagnaofIllusion - failing to see scum motivation in his posts. Would need some compelling evidence to lynch.
Andrius - I think I can confidently sort Andrius into a town slot.

brassherald - After mentally sorting this person correctly in my mind I'm town reading them.
Inferno390 - Not much to say, but I like their posts
dramonic
the worst - weary here. I think this is someone I am always destined to town read.
Taly - probably would not lynch today unless it seemed like that was the only option toward day end. They did get better. I actually kind of like that they were willing to abandon their reads and finish a full catch up before coming back to give updated reads. But there are still some ping worthy moments here.

HitAlt - not much to say that hasn't been said.
Raskolnikov - Need a lot more content here, but I do like what has been posted. I'm concerned about people town reading them and then they lurk. Seems like playing too safe.
HeWhoSwims - not terribly much to say.
Profii - feels like someone I am destined to always scum read.
xyzzy - please do more, thanks
Skygazer - not sure if all the scum reads on this slot are warranted, but I also dont think they've been omgsuperobvtown

Flubbernugget - biggest scum read. Don't like their catch up, and agree with pretty much everything brought up against them.




Roooough mental sorting. Sorry I've been absent. My mind has been elsewhere lately. I'm most in favor of a flubber lynch today. unless something big happens, that's where my vote is staying.

The top tier I would absolutely not lynch today.

Yeah, I'll add pressure to hit while waiting for flubber to catch up on questions. I mean, how could I say no to a crusade?

VOTE: HitAlt

This implies a willingness to vote for flubber, but not necessarily a wantingness.

Why put pressure there, instead of flubber?

@HitAlt, can you show me a few flub posts you really like? I don't need comments (though they're welcomed).

This was never answered btw :/

Hitalt are you missing all the prompts to do this or are just choosing not to?

No.
Absent-minded because of IRL.
Tired all the time too.
It took me more than I ever thought possible to make that one longer post.
I'll try to make another tomorrow.

When you do that, could you answer my question to you as well?

VOTE: Xyzzy

Flashwagon this. Xyzzy has naught but fluffposting and walls of "I like this post" with no real substance or analysis and actually clicking through their wall of post links only furthers the disappointment.

Scum is lurking through this game and letting us run up lynch baity people for playing poorly but not necessarily scummy. Rally to me boys and girls and xirs, the dark times end now

Ok
VOTE: xyzzy

But Elbirn, thoughts on xyzzy's latest post? It was a good one...at least what of it I skimmed. Gonna be honest, I am getting very sleepy at the moment.

UNVOTE: xyzzy

I don't know that a xyzzy flip will be the best flip today. But that was a fun wagon while it lasted.

I still want a Flub flip over anything else.

VOTE: flubbernugget

I would not be down for a Dram lynch. I buy the claim, and I was never really sure why there was a Dram wagon tbh.

Can someone give me a compelling reason we're not lynching flubber?

Wasn't this game advertised as mild role madness? I can see a prime number modifier being used for balance purposes or something.

According to wikipedia, 1 is not prime. I majored in music.

possible new favorite person onsite

D:

do we trust Andrius' read on dram? because Flubz is a rad lynch if we can't get dram. still. anyone who unvoted dram exclusively for the roleclaim should feel mighty silly

For what it's worth, I don't think Dram is a good lynch for today anyway. I'm firmly in the flub lynch camp.

[Chickadee]

I see a lot of people voting/wanting to vote me. I'm just gonna claim. I feel I'm a good lynch either today, maaaaybe tomorrow, or never. I'm vengeful town. By all means vote me, but lets talk and get a lot of information out on the table first.

YAS

NICE SHOT VIG

In my experience most stabbings are serial killers?

Guys, I know TWO people who did a thing at night.
One of them was so loud I couldn't help but hear it, and the other one killed a dude. Or at least tried to.

How should we proceed - I do not wish to out our Vig and I'm not sure that one person being so noisy means anything alignment-wise..

Do you *know* someone tried to kill someone or is this speculation based on 'I know two people did things'.
There's a line here and we need to be careful because I *also* know things.

APPARENTLY ME AND CHICKADEE WERE GETTING "COZY" ON THE COUCH LAST NIGHT

And I also got a mysteriously-wrapped BANANA last night so whoever gave me that thanks for my daily supply of Potassium and Vitamin... whatever bananas give you.

Lemme think how I want to move forward with something. Give me a minute.

Stabbing is just something Pine is fond of.


And oh my. How did you know this? BecauseI did not know we were "cozy" on the couch.

VOTE: chickadee

did you
read my mind
because I would like to talk about her

Please do.

The only reads I was able to REASON/WRITE fully that immediately still stand after the Dram scumflip.

Raskolnikov

- I already stated that I liked his entrance, and in the past few days, they've been a lot more active with discussion. Most of their entire ISO revolves around looking beneath the surface on the playerlist, and his votes are well-justified. 964

the worst

vote - 1093 his length look into

hit

- 1252 and 1253 where he talks about how hammers help him while giving his assessment on

Andrius

. His thoughts are unique to the playerlist from what I've seen. He also outlines that he works off cases and makes what he's looking for clear. Very coherent.

xyzzy

- Reading xyzzy's ISO shows me that a lot of his wallposts were somewhat detached. He doesn't explicitly ask or start much dialogue with who he engages with, and a lot of his assessments seem generated on his own thinking. I feel like town would've been more pushy with vote on the

Hit

lynch given claim, but the final bits of

xyzzy's

posts of D1 don't even mention this.

Ausuka

- I understand

Ausuka's

been very frustrated with Mafia lately, but her lack of engagement and content could be used for a scum advantage, I don't want her slipping through this dayphase without a good bit of conversation.

Post-Flip Add-On: I like that she's posting more now.

the worst

-

the worst

has been almost borderline downplaying his thinking in this game. Posts like 1193 "let's sheep Andrius", the random posts that don't add content, and phrases like "I'm not a mechanics wizard" serve to be as a shield from putting forth his own insight. This D1 was widely frustrating for the playerlist, but I wasn't impressed with

TW's

contribution and his L-1 to

Flub

in 1282 on the same page I unvoted to avoid a hammer, felt very odd. His posts seem inconsistent from somewhat defending the

Flub

scumreads in 901 to questioning why it's even there. 1026

Post-Flip Add-On: I really want him to explain 1109, and what made him the Dram's claim was scum 1184

~~~

At the end of D1, I was beginning to question

Hit

-

Inferno

, but I feel better about them now.

I was feeling confident with

Chick, Andrius, MOI

-town, but I'm unsure at the moment.

I want to know why those 3 had issues with the

dram

wagon and the reasons for it in depth.

@Taly, Personally I believed the Dram claim. Without the claim, I probably would have been alright to switch to that wagon, but with the claim and the fact that I didn't read Dram well enough one way or the other, I didn't want to vote there.






VOTE: The Worst
Other than me, TW is the one that was really against the Dram wagon, and has kinda played off his fluff posting as "not wanting to clog the game thread." It kind of feels like hiding behind the chill nature of the game.

[Chickadee]

Didn't the worst vote Dram towards EoD, though?

Nope

[Chickadee]

NVM, I just looked back and I'm wrong.


Still think the TW vote is warranted for now though

[Chickadee]

I'm honestly townleaning chickadee after this but like it's still probably optimal play to lynch her and get two lynches? maybe not if she will vengekill tw.

pedit: How? Why?

I'm open to talking about this. Although I do love shooting TW (in general).


But I do not fully trust myself to hit scum at the moment to be honest.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: The Worst
Other than me, TW is the one that was really against the Dram wagon, and has kinda played off his fluff posting as "not wanting to clog the game thread." It kind of feels like hiding behind the chill nature of the game.

Chicka Ily but did you actually read d1? o.0

My grasp on it is shaky.

But I went back, and corrected myself. But you still feel off.

ILY too.

[Chickadee]

i feel like im the third-wheel in a hot/cold relationship rn

Aren't we all Taly...

Aren't we all.

[Chickadee]

Also, just to tinfoil these fruit vendors completely: What if one is a loyal fruit vendor for town and the other is a disloyal fruit vendor for the scum team?

P-Edit: I know visitor is a role, but I don't think he can secretly like stab dramonic to death when he visits.

Honestly when I was catching up over the last 5 paged, this was my thought. 2 fruit vendors, one town, and one scum.



I really think MOI is town here, but I also think ausuka is town, so I’m torn. I’ll take my personal laptop with me to work today so I can spend some time with this game maybe. Depends on how busy I am.

[Chickadee]

Heads up btw

I work 6 hours tomorrow + driving lesson. And on Sunday I work 4 + I want to watch the world cup final...

I will be reading up on everything from here but I missed like 12 pages since daystart... I'll try to catch up but if someone wants to point out something REALLY important that needs me now.. Please go ahead.

Also @chick @tw can we have an answer to my earlier question

No, no you cannot.
I don't see any town motivation in asking me what my modifiers are, if any.

Either believe the claim, or don't.

TBH my first impression in the event of a dram red flip was to get shooty with Andrius

Please don't?

[Chickadee]

are you playing here chickadee?

obv not

pls send halp.

[Chickadee]

I mean a shitload of ppl claimed modifiers. Chick 1 and chick 2 do you guys have modifiers at all or is that too much to ask too.

I am only one person.


And I am still not answering this question. Stop asking.

[Chickadee]

Can you just drop it. It doesn't do any good for me to confirm or deny this.

[Chickadee]

Can we stop voting until people have caught up?

Myself included. A lot of the reading I’ve done has been speed reading while I’m taking a break at work. Aaaaand I’ll be leaving for work again here in a bit.

[Chickadee]

I'm ok with lynching Elbirn if that's where the group is going. I had a good town read on Elbirn, but with the Dram flip, I'm accepting that my reads this game are not on point.

I also really like the profii wagon. I would def go there.

[Chickadee]

I'm ok with lynching Elbirn if that's where the group is going. I had a good town read on Elbirn, but with the Dram flip, I'm accepting that my reads this game are not on point.

I also really like the profii wagon. I would def go there.

Minimizing your own reads because you were wrong once is ALSO not an effective approach to the game for town.

That's fair. However, historically, I feel I've either been really with it, or really not with it. And my grasp on this game is not good, because it's moving too fast for me. So I largely do not trust most of my reads.

[Chickadee]

Even if TW is a SK, Lynching third parties at the moment does not excite me. Group scum first, then if the game is going, third parties. Let scum take care of TW, because so far if he is a SK, he's shown a wanting to shoot in scum.

So I think we should stop focusing so much on the TW thing (not a comment of MOI's assessment...just happens to follow it). Anyone going hard after TW I will take as a scum claim.

MOI - I'm right there with you if anyone tries to lynch Andrius.







Again guys, I'm so sorry for being out of touch with this game. The bulk of my understanding is coming from Taly/MOI/Andrius posts. At the moment, I would sheep anything Andrius and MOI do/say. They're both solid town for me, and in all of my wavering and reassessment, those have been constant, so I'm choosing to trust those reads above anything right now.

@_@

[Chickadee]

Profii you can stop scum claiming. We caught you. Why on earth advocate for a TW lynch? It doesn’t make any sense. Even if TW is a serial killer, group scum dies first. I think you know a lynch on him isn’t going through so you’re trying to look town by pointing fingers at potential scum. And that point is backed up by your immediate vote on sky, right after advocating killing TW.


VOTE: profii

[Chickadee]

Profii you can stop scum claiming. We caught you. Why on earth advocate for a TW lynch? It doesn’t make any sense. Even if TW is a serial killer, group scum dies first. I think you know a lynch on him isn’t going through so you’re trying to look town by pointing fingers at potential scum. And that point is backed up by your immediate vote on sky, right after advocating killing TW.


VOTE: profii

actually I was pondering this and I've had to come back as this suuuuuper bugs me.

the whole game you've been relatively quiet, even saying yourself your reads are weak and so on.
then you say "whoever says lynching a SK is scum"
which I did notice before advocating* for the SK lynch but I don't really care if people scum read me for it so I just carried on.
so then you are now obviously scum reading me

you've gone from having no direction to essentially manufacturing a reason to vote me. bizarre.

*advocating - I refute that - I stated there is a logic to lessening the blow of double night kills. If people aren't on board with that, I said I _wont_ push a TW lynch, but I believe it is logical pro town thing to do.

Third party hunting over group scum hunting is not the logical pro town thing to do.

And so what if I’m jumping in with a scum read on you. Yes I’ve been largely absent. But now that I’m getting active with something, you’re going to complain? And you’re going to sit there and talk about logical protown moves?

[Chickadee]

Profii you can stop scum claiming. We caught you. Why on earth advocate for a TW lynch? It doesn’t make any sense. Even if TW is a serial killer, group scum dies first. I think you know a lynch on him isn’t going through so you’re trying to look town by pointing fingers at potential scum. And that point is backed up by your immediate vote on sky, right after advocating killing TW.


VOTE: profii

actually I was pondering this and I've had to come back as this suuuuuper bugs me.

the whole game you've been relatively quiet, even saying yourself your reads are weak and so on.
then you say "whoever says lynching a SK is scum"
which I did notice before advocating* for the SK lynch but I don't really care if people scum read me for it so I just carried on.
so then you are now obviously scum reading me

you've gone from having no direction to essentially manufacturing a reason to vote me. bizarre.

*advocating - I refute that - I stated there is a logic to lessening the blow of double night kills. If people aren't on board with that, I said I _wont_ push a TW lynch, but I believe it is logical pro town thing to do.

Third party hunting over group scum hunting is not the logical pro town thing to do.

And so what if I’m jumping in with a scum read on you. Yes I’ve been largely absent. But now that I’m getting active with something, you’re going to complain? And you’re going to sit there and talk about logical protown moves?

I’m observing the following

“I’m not really in this game my reads are weak”
“Still have no reads but anyone who says lynch SK is scum”

*profii: TW is SK, it’s worth lynching*

“I’ve magically found scum guys”


That is _totally_ manufactured

Also if I was really scum, why would I say that knowing you would start pushing for me in the middle of my biggest scrutiny period thus far


I’m not complaining - I just find that a really really weak way to get on my wagon

So, because of not really having my head in the game, I'm not allowed to turn myself around and find things to get invested in? You're trying to use the fast pace of the game to discredit me.

[Chickadee]

stabs pine

haha...no petty vengeance!

[Chickadee]

Yep that seems to be the case. What are your thoughts on that?

[Chickadee]

Also announcing targets doesn't work because the traget can claim two fruit regardess of what actually happened.

I resent the implication that I might be scum, but then it's Ausuka and she probably will never learn how to read me..

Well actually, now that you mention it, it's pretty much you or Profii today...soooooo........

phew that was a close one. I'm actually a vegetarian for reals, offences against ducks are punishable by deattthhhh

Spoiler:

Duck is actually quite tasty.

[Chickadee]

Inferno, your magna vote is opportunistic as all hell.

[Chickadee]

I'm more inclined to lynch profii than xyzzy.

What happened to an A50 lynch?

[Chickadee]

hm from just the posts I'm seeing here A50 feels kinda towny

Have you read his predecessor Elbirn?

[Chickadee]

I'm ready for a flip

[Chickadee]

This day is dragging, and people are becoming uninterested. Taly is on VLA just to stop posting because he's angry at the game state. I feel like we have a good enough POE at this point to go ahead and flip within our lynch pool.

xyzzy, A50, profii. Let's consolidate on one.

[Chickadee]

I think we're stretching ourselves thin. But let's go ahead and add HWS to the list. Just consolidate and flip someone. Anyone. I think we have a lot of good reasons to flip any of them.

[Chickadee]

I also think popcorn is a bad idea. I think that the two people who get fruit claim it in their first post, and until then tomorrow, no one else even talks about fruit.

[Chickadee]

Xyzzy
Please explain your scumreads on TW and myself.

so I went kind of back and forth on this a couple times over the past couple days but I think I've settled on there being a greater than average chance that your interactions with dramonic were bussing yesterday. my feelings there have Rapidly Evolved but that's pretty much where I'm at.

the worst probably should've gone in the third group with Raskolnikov and HeWhoSwims, possibly ranking a little higher; I've just not really had many strong impressions of him this game and I've read a couple of critiques of him that I've found generally agreeable.

I also think popcorn is a bad idea. I think that the two people who get fruit claim it in their first post, and until then tomorrow, no one else even talks about fruit.

I feel like that system is a lot more vulnerable to scum trying to exploit it? like if everyone claims fruit/no fruit in an order that scum can't directly control, it becomes much harder for them to try to outguess the fruit vendors.

Fruit vendors can confirm their targets.

[Chickadee]

We know the fruit vendors. The fruit vendors know their targets. Counter claims should be easily resolved.

[Chickadee]

yall rea;ize only one person is getting fruit right?

They just have to claim it.

[Chickadee]

yall rea;ize only one person is getting fruit right?

They just have to claim it.

Why'd you say that? I was hoping the scum would forget that only one of us is supposed to get fruit tomorrow or think we forgot and then we get an easy lynch!

Because it seemed everyone had lost their minds.

[Chickadee]

I don't like that HWS is not voting....but I also don't want to wager time on a new flash wagon. At the very least, I don't want to start one, because I'd much rather see profii flip. But if it's where the group goes, I will consolidate.

[Chickadee]

One or more of the main wagons today has to be scum. I don't see why else we're having this much trouble gaining traction. We've created too many places and reasons for scum to hide on separate wagons.

[Chickadee]

Finally a hammer



But really TW I’m not sure rask is scum here.

[Chickadee]

Profii
Profii
Profii
Profii
Profii
Profii





Flip this



No one is invested in this day phase. Let’s do something.

[Chickadee]

NOS! Helloooo! It's been a whiiiiile


@Taly, I see your question. I am making dinner, and will pull some things later on when I get a chance. I see you <3


I could honestly do A50 over profii though.

[Chickadee]

@Taly

Profii spent a good bit of time early this day phase trying to pin me as scum, and discredit me, after Andrius (super obvtown) confirmed me. Also think HWS is a good scum candidate, and I think profii makes sense for a HWS partner.

[Chickadee]

Honestly though, I'll vote with MOI

VOTE: Skygazer

[Chickadee]

I've actually really been liking Sky's recent posts. I think the defense is genuine.
UNVOTE:

Not sure where to go from here. Is there still interest in a HWS flip?

1) TW is mechanically confirmed to not be scum. Why is he on this list.

No one has verified his claim though? All we know is he tried to kill someone and he is claiming he target dram.

correct

[Chickadee]

Also realized that just because Chick is cool Motown by Andy does not make Andy conftown.

Gonna assume that middle part is supposed to say confirmed town, instead of "cool Motown." I don't know that I'm quite cool enough for "cool Motown" status.

Not assuming Andy's slot to be town is ridiculous. Scum has little incentive to actually confirm town, especially the way Andy did with so many claims coming out. Scum has huge incentive to call people town, and vocally not want to be on their wagon, but little incentive to be confirming people. Andy's slot is as good as confirmed.

Also, has anyone considered the fact that TW is a PGO and dram was sent to shoot him last night?

NO because if he was I'd be DEAD. Nice try, but you've officially gone beyond "he is mildly annoying" to "he is trying to pass logic that doesn't not frikkin work ever".
VOTE: Inferno390
FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Please no.

Don't try to get another wagon going

[Chickadee]

Jingle! Hello!

Sorry guys I’ll get to this. I’m out of town for an interview at the moment and have a busy day today.


So this is a shameless prod dodge!

[Chickadee]

VOTE: xyzzy

That's L-3

I'm not mentally in this game at the moment. There was a time today when I was, and now we're dragging. We've over talked everything today. Someone jus

[Chickadee]

Accidentally hit submit. Oops.

Someone just push something through. We all know the lynch pool.

[Chickadee]

That’s not helpful profii. Please don’t spend all of today just asking to be lynched.

[Chickadee]

Jingle is Inferno now.

Ngl I did not expect to be alive today

Same

[Chickadee]

The Worst killed A50

[Chickadee]

Have we hit the apathy wall already? I'm gonna try to bring myself back into this in a bit today.

[Chickadee]

That's not at all what I remember Hitalt saying.

That'd be way too overpowered.

[Chickadee]

It's not a good time for me to go hunting for it, but I believe the claim was that they could check one person a night and see if they have ever attempted to kill someone.

[Chickadee]

I'm home!

What do I need to do w/ like, casing MOI? A lot of people seem to already be there and people aren't really defending him anymore? but at the same time the lynch doesn't appear to have much momentum. I'm willing to and able to make a case if that's something I have to do to get the lynch through.

I still don't see it, so if you could build a case that'd be great. I would need some awfully compelling evidence.

I volunteer as counterwagon bait

It'd feel wrong to not be wagoned three days in a row

Scum hop on this if you want MoI to live

Sky stop. This is a bad post. I was town reading you at the end of yesterday. Please let me continue.

[Chickadee]

I am very down for a HWS flip. I think by POE it's down to MOI HWS or Taly, and I can't quite convince myself to go for MOI or Taly. Obviously this means my POE is wrong somewhere, but I'm still left with one possibility for today, so let's wagon it.

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

Spoiler: no comments, and not a whole lot of breakdown here, but I left it

Chickadee
brassherald
Gamma Emerald
Raskolnikov
Ausuka
the worst
Skygazer
Nosferatu
Profii
Jingle

MagnaofIllusion
HeWhoSwims
Taly

[Chickadee]

Loud protective doesn't have to claim at all since I know the modifier is there. Also dram was the only kill tw could have committed GE.

And by POE, scum could figure it out.

I actually do believe your claim, but I don't believe it to be town. Scum actually benefits a lot from knowing what things town can do and when. I can also see some town utility in the role, but based on your play here, and the defense you've tried to lay down for yourself in your recents posts, I'm not seeing a lot of reasons o believe you're town.

[Chickadee]

I'm not trying to give you hell for defending yourself. The problem is how you defended yourself.

Can you not lynch me I'm town just lazy

This post means nothing. It's an empty post.

I volunteer as counterwagon bait

It'd feel wrong to not be wagoned three days in a row

Scum hop on this if you want MoI to live

This seems LAMIST as hell tbh.

Maybe tw is BP SK and that's why one of the nights had no kill HMMM

Plausible.

@Ausika I can live with MoI. At this point I think I'm liking you better. And either it flips town and confs people or it it scum. I'm still not over Sky. More detailed stuff later let me vacuum and get my pc.

Here, you use Sky's shitposting to try and turn the tables. It feels like an easy target. Low hanging fruit.

[Chickadee]

Are we going another day without a HWS flip? Really?

[Chickadee]

UNVOTE:

My vote is there in spirit but tw needs to say who he'll vig.

It's probably better TW not say. Let the scum wonder whether or not they're in danger.




Also why is everyone asking to get lynched this gaaaaame? Whyyyyy?

[Chickadee]

Are we at L-1?

Intent.

[Chickadee]

Yea, that was my thought too, Ausuka.

[Chickadee]

Hey guys, Profii finds me scummy.

VOTE: Profii

[Chickadee]

Ooo! Good work skygazer. I'll get to this in a bit.

[Chickadee]

FINALLY!

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

[Chickadee]

clementine and orange are close enough...

I really don't care to see a 1v1 showdown over this.

[Chickadee]

omg guys
I'm not reading 5 pages.

@_@

Working 10+ hour days is really not suiting my mafia habits these days.

[Chickadee]

I think we lynch Nos here for the {MoI, Nos, Chickadee} slot information

MOI is dead dear. You killed that slot. That was Kokichi.

[Chickadee]

Yup. I read it wrong. I'm silly.

I'm fiiiine. Ok. I'm good. Back to doing my own thing. I'll try to get in the swing of things when I'm not doing a dozen other things right after waking up.

[Chickadee]

I mean, I'm ok with being the lynch, but I am absolutely shooting HWS if I die.

[Chickadee]

I am easy to pocket. Especially if the pocket is warm and cozy.

[Chickadee]

I have no modifier

[Chickadee]

Oh, so Pine corrected me. Vengeful is my modifier.

[Chickadee]

My role being townie

[Chickadee]

I don't even know right now

[Chickadee]

Nos slot hasn't been able to produce results, and they self voted.

uuuuggggghhhh

[Chickadee]

I owed more attention to this game than I gave.

Big games move to fast or me.

It was a good game though.

[Chickadee]

Best PT


TW i luff you