Open 733: Grey Flag (Complete)

[Ircher]

Quick is scum.

[Not_Mafia]

He regularly actively refuses to play on games, in his mind he’s an unsung hero taking a noble stand against big bad Not_Mafia, that’s just how he is. Ridiculous =/= scum

[Gosrir Elmer Odels]

@Gosrir what exactly is the difference between town!NM and scum!NM?

As I've said before, I don't know NM's scumplay, as I haven't seen it. I'm voting him because his play is different than the townplay I've seen. He was town in the RC crybaby game (although I don't know how often that happens) & in mini normal 2016. In the former you played, too.

but tried to move the game forward in a meaningful way(53.)

explain it like I'm 12 please

Alright, kiddo. Quick dubbed the "turnt" inconsistency line, & asked the deadass question, namely "what's scummy?". That's ode gucci town PoV, fam. Radical!

(If you cannot keep up with the age group, we can go back to me explaining things to you like you're 5.)
(Actually, it took too "bare" google searches to make this post for me to bother again.)

[ruru]

votecount

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Gosrir Elmer Odels (3):	the worst (130),	ofrhz (131),	ceejayvinoya (173),
Not_Mafia (2):	Quick (14),	Gosrir Elmer Odels (87),
Quick (2):	Saudade (92),	Ircher (93),
ceejayvinoya (1):	Not_Mafia (31),
Not voting (1):	Brandi (152),

(expired on 2018-07-25 19:06:00) remain. The countdown was previously 12 hours early and has been corrected.

[the worst]

He regularly actively refuses to play on games, in his mind he’s an unsung hero taking a noble stand against big bad Not_Mafia, that’s just how he is. Ridiculous =/= scum

I get that but does his stance actually feel righteous to you here?

[the worst]

Alright, kiddo. Quick dubbed the "turnt" inconsistency line, & asked the deadass question, namely "what's scummy?". That's ode gucci town PoV, fam. Radical!

(If you cannot keep up with the age group, we can go back to me explaining things to you like you're 5.)
(Actually, it took too "bare" google searches to make this post for me to bother again.)

*blinks slowly*
I need a picture book please.

[ofrhz]

current lynchpool is gosrir and saudade

[ofrhz]

Because mafia is the one that needs to make up a narrative and thus ultimately might contradict themselves.
Town players are generally straight forward in their approach and have their mentality set thus contradicting themselves less.

i think this is a pretty shallow read given that quick has produced content, at least relative to what content is available in the game thus far, despite him saying he doesn't want to. his initial contradiction is more likely out of stubbornness in maintaining his PL stance rather than out of faking stances

and ircher, this cannot be the first time you see someone wanting to PL NM. that's kind of a bad reason to scumread quick

I've no better reads at the time so he's got my vote so far

here, i provided alternative explanation behind why this might be town!quick contradicting himself, and saudade's response suggests that he doesn't feel too strongly about his scumread on quick. i think town at this point would reconsider their read on quick or explain why they disagree with my pov

Inconsistencies AKA contradictions are not Scummy. I know this because I have been accused of making them a lot as Town. Look at the motive for the contradiction because a contradiction itself isn't Scummy.

I disagree and I also explained why in my previous posts, this is really going nowhere lets move on to greater bigger things

i don't think this post comes from town. instead of engaging with his scumread or finding another avenue to push his scumread, he is trying to shut down the thread of conversation

If anyone feels like summarizing a better case on any other player at the moment feel free ill read into it instead and if I dim it worthy ill switch my vote =]

and also this post is just bad. there are 9 pages in this game, i hardly think he needs someone else to summarize cases at this point. lowkey getting buddying vibes here

what are your scumreads saudade

[ofrhz]

@Gosrir what exactly is the difference between town!NM and scum!NM?

As I've said before, I don't know NM's scumplay, as I haven't seen it. I'm voting him because his play is different than the townplay I've seen. He was town in the RC crybaby game (although I don't know how often that happens) & in mini normal 2016. In the former you played, too.

i mean, NM could be playing differently as town here because this game is slow, and he is uncomfortable with how slow the game is moving, which would be town indicative. like the logical leap from "NM is more active here" to "NM is scum" is bad

[the worst]

^ this

OK I'm not going crazy

[ofrhz]

what do you think of saudade

[the worst]

I'm pretty null on Saudade tbqh. I thought we had more time this phase and was trying to bait him into giving more content v_v

[the worst]

top of my "sort d2" pile rn tho

where are you at with him?

[Ircher]

I'm stilling think Not_Mafia is town here.

I'm not super sure that Quick is scum here, but to be honest, I don't really have better reads at the moment.

The duckling is still town. Gosrir has pinged in some ways, but I'm leaning town overall for them currently. Brandi seems to have disappeared.

[the worst]

1/3 of the list is scum in this setup. besides Quick who do you think could be scum?

[Ircher]

Brandi?

[Ircher]

Like, if PoE it, I’m left with Quick, Brandi, and one of Suadade/Gosrir/Ofrhz, though I’m leaning towards Suadade atm.

[the worst]

what's struck you as towny from Gosrir?

[Ircher]

His ISO as a whole doesn’t really vibe as someone pushing a specific agenda. He’s active; he’s giving opinions; he’s asking questions; and perhaps most importantly, his opinions and trajectory seem to make sense in a way.

[the worst]

hmm interesting

fwiw I'm scumreading him for more or less the same reasons. he's posted a fair bit but I'm not feeling a scumhunting vibe from him; it feels like he's more busy arguing around scumhunting and coming off as "correct" rather than offering like.... insight

[the worst]

I need more from Brandi mostly I think.

Cjv and Saudade have low postcounts but don't feel as active lurky. I'm actually getting a bit of spirit from those slots

[Saudade]

hmm interesting

fwiw I'm scumreading him for more or less the same reasons. he's posted a fair bit but I'm not feeling a scumhunting vibe from him; it feels like he's more busy arguing around scumhunting and coming off as "correct" rather than offering like.... insight

This is absolutely correct and I wont deny it, my internet ego comes first and winning games on the internet second.
It's been mentioned sometime above that I seem not to "reconsider" my scumread on Quick which is quite odd because I did exclaim that my read on him is NOT THAT STRONG and that given a sufficient enough alternative I will gladly read into it and change my vote.
Alas I have not found a strong enough alternative so far thus my vote has stayed, alright?

[Saudade]

Also arguments like scum NM and TOWN NM are skipped by me instantly as I just dont know the metas of players on this website as this is about my 3rd game ever

[Saudade]

ok guys I had an idea
let's make this the shortest running of Grey Flag ever.

today we lynch {Quick, Gosrir}. they vengekill the other.

Nah Quick is town

what makes you think Quick is town as opposed to

null

or

scum

[the worst]

Understand that, welcome aboard.
that was about Gosrir btw