Gerrymandering Shadow Government Democracy Mafia Endgame

[ofrhz]

btw i don't think nk15 will vote for wheme and wheme is obviously voting for wheme, so hebi's district is very obviously going to tie. if hebi votes again in this election, i'm taking that as a scumclaim from her

[WhemeStar]

Lol orfhz is scum

[Myloninja13]

Okay, I'm all caught up now!

[mutantdevle]

If Wheme is third party, then his attitude towards this game and confidence in some reads seems like it comes from a role perspective. Hence I suspect he has some mechanical knowledge to call people scum or town on. He's clearly expressed that he'd want to work with the town as third party anyway.

is there a reason to not just ask him if this is true or not

Because he won't answer lol. We've asked him to claim multiple times. If he wanted to give any more details about his role then he would have done so by now.

[mutantdevle]

I want Wheme to be president because I think he has a good chance of killing mafia and if he does then we can trust him.

what

why are you scumreading me

My want of electing Wheme is irrespective of his desire to kill you.

I'm not scum reading you, I have no read on you. That still puts you in the lynch pool. If Wheme has reason to believe you are scum and decides to lynch you then I'm not going to complain. I wouldn't say Wheme is DEFINITELY going to kill you though. There are a few people that he's stated suspicion of throughout the game and I think my lynch pool and his are fairly similar; hence I have no quarrels with him being president.

Personally, I look at it this way:

- There doesn't seem to be any support for electing me this phase.
- That leaves Ruby Red and Wheme.
- I personally prefer Wheme instead of Ruby Red because Wheme has been vocal about where he plans to lynch whereas Ruby Red has been really quiet for quite a while and stated barely any opinions.

Wheme is predictable of where he is going to lynch. Ruby Red is not.

[Psyche]

ok ive decided i don't like this setup

[123456789]

Leave mutant party

Join Lynch Scum Day One Party

May I ask the reason for this change?

Felt like it; nothing was really happening.

[Not Known 15]

I want Wheme to be president because I think he has a good chance of killing mafia and if he does then we can trust him.

what

why are you scumreading me

My want of electing Wheme is irrespective of his desire to kill you.

I'm not scum reading you, I have no read on you. That still puts you in the lynch pool. If Wheme has reason to believe you are scum and decides to lynch you then I'm not going to complain. I wouldn't say Wheme is DEFINITELY going to kill you though. There are a few people that he's stated suspicion of throughout the game and I think my lynch pool and his are fairly similar; hence I have no quarrels with him being president.

Personally, I look at it this way:

- There doesn't seem to be any support for electing me this phase.
- That leaves Ruby Red and Wheme.
- I personally prefer Wheme instead of Ruby Red because Wheme has been vocal about where he plans to lynch whereas Ruby Red has been really quiet for quite a while and stated barely any opinions.

Wheme is predictable of where he is going to lynch. Ruby Red is not.

I distrust Wheme because of that weird 3rd party claim. However, for the exact same reasons mutant gave us I will neither vote Ruby -
which means I'll vote myself.

[mutantdevle]

I fully trusted Wheme up until his third party claim and in a state of not trusting and trusting him at the same time. However, I think that as long as he keeps his intentions clear he is someone I could follow.

Based on what Wheme has said recently, his current pool seems something like: ofrhz > Invisibility > Psyche.

The way I see it, the only trust you need to vote Wheme is the trust that there is scum in this pool. I do think there is scum in this pool and if Wheme has his eye on these people too then I see no reason not to elect him.

[mutantdevle]

EBWOP: I fully trusted Wheme up until his third party claim and

am now

in a state of not trusting and trusting him at the same time.

[Psyche]

i don't know how to put into words how ridiculous that reasoning is

[Psyche]

let me get this straight
as long as his intentions are clear, you're good on following him
but with respect to his intentions, all you can say is that his lynch pool "

seems something like

" ofrhz > Invisibility > Psyche?
like - that's almost a quarter of everyone alive right now
and your language and his posts don't seem to at all imply a sense of definiteness about his intentions

furthermore, you

don't

barely even trust the guy?
i mean, even if you think it's a good lynch pool - like at least 2/3 scum, because you certainly aren't using language to suggest you believe all 3 are scum - and you think that's definitely wheme's intended pool
isn't it important that you trust him enough to not deliberately lynch the at least one person in that pool who is town?

i'm having a hard time even believing this is a thought process a real human being could have

[ofrhz]

Lol orfhz is scum

y u hate me

[ofrhz]

i don't know who to vote for

[Blind Bandits]

just so y'all know

we're never breaking a tie in favour of wheme

[Blind Bandits]

^nos btw

[Psyche]

the most artificial, frankensteiny post to see daylight in months and all yall do is shitpost

[Not Known 15]

just so y'all know

we're never breaking a tie in favour of wheme

what about a wheme not known tie

[Psyche]

when you let an election be decided based on vaguely implied lynch pools and personalities instead of definite, clearly announced intentions to kill specific, named people, you allow everyone participating in the election besides the guy elected to avoid accountability for their votes
this reduces information for the town and creates situations where players have made 97 pages of posts, lynched 3 people and found zero scum

[Aronis]

wheme is going to kill ofrhz and save town. I have full faith in him as president and will take full responsibility if the decision doesn't work out

[mutantdevle]

let me get this straight
as long as his intentions are clear, you're good on following him
but with respect to his intentions, all you can say is that his lynch pool "

seems something like

" ofrhz > Invisibility > Psyche?
like - that's almost a quarter of everyone alive right now
and your language and his posts don't seem to at all imply a sense of definiteness about his intentions

furthermore, you

don't

barely even trust the guy?
i mean, even if you think it's a good lynch pool - like at least 2/3 scum, because you certainly aren't using language to suggest you believe all 3 are scum - and you think that's definitely wheme's intended pool
isn't it important that you trust him enough to not deliberately lynch the at least one person in that pool who is town?

i'm having a hard time even believing this is a thought process a real human being could have

What you're doing here is assuming we can't trust Wheme at all. I'd like to think we can.

"like - that's almost a quarter of everyone alive right now"
What, you think the lynch pool should be down to 1 or 2? I don't get what you're trying to say with this statement. That it's too many people to be suspecting?

"isn't it important that you trust him enough to not deliberately lynch the at least one person in that pool who is town?"
Yes. And I do trust him to this extent. He's not going to lynch someone he

knows

is town. The point of bringing up this lynch pool is that he's recently labelled these people as people who doesn't view as town. Hence it's reasonable to assume he'd be willing to lynch these.

And you're right, there isn't a definitiveness to his actions. But what's the alternative? Ruby Red? They have said literally nothing about their intentions as president since day 1 and it surprises me how they have so much support for presidency despite doing fuck all.

"i'm having a hard time even believing this is a thought process a real human being could have"
I think this is unreasonably hyperbolic. Wheme would be a far better president than Ruby Red simply because they are more transparent. Period.

Voting for Ruby Red is a gamble since we have no idea what she even plans to do. Wheme is a gamble too to some extent due to their actions, but at least we know what we are gambling.

[mutantdevle]

when you let an election be decided based on vaguely implied lynch pools and personalities instead of definite, clearly announced intentions to kill specific, named people, you allow everyone participating in the election besides the guy elected to avoid accountability for their votes
this reduces information for the town and creates situations where players have made 97 pages of posts, lynched 3 people and found zero scum

Do you think Ruby is going to provide that? Ruby has said nothing. Wheme's vague implications is all we're going to get.

And Wheme HAS "clearly announced intentions to kill specific, named people,". Cough cough the many times he's straight up said he's going to kill ofrhz.

[Blind Bandits]

when you let an election be decided based on vaguely implied lynch pools and personalities instead of definite, clearly announced intentions to kill specific, named people, you allow everyone participating in the election besides the guy elected to avoid accountability for their votes

i feel like this has frighteningly similar parallels irl

[Psyche]

wheme is going to kill ofrhz and save town. I have full faith in him as president and will take full responsibility if the decision doesn't work out

why say what wheme will do instead of letting him say so himself?
what is the point of saying you have full faith in him without offering good reasons to have any faith in him? are people supposed to just take the proposition at your word?
and what the hell does it mean to say you will take full responsibility if the decision doesn't work out? what will you do? what will happen?
what does posting, "guys this is all my fault" or whatever do for the town?

[Blind Bandits]

just so y'all know

we're never breaking a tie in favour of wheme

what about a wheme not known tie

then we're gonna find out what happens when we don't break a tie