Transformers Mafia - Dinobots STRONGEST!

[Gamma Emerald]

First ten pages of responses

Spoiler:

since i only have a slight bit of experience with 5 other players in this game (namely unrealseal, creature, the worst, radiantcowbells, and gamma emerald) is there anybody here who is known to have a particularly strong scum game that i should know about?

yes i am strong

just kidding im bad and there's at least 4-5 players in this game who'd pick up on it if i was scum

meh I wouldn't say it isn't strong, you rolled me once

My scum game is trash tier tbh
Pedit: It'd be weird if they didn't spiffy.

despite me being good at catching Maria this is a lie
and fb can also verify this is a lie

She's actually definitely not trash tier lmao

I'd set her as one of the highest investigating value players in the list

huhhhh? My play as scum is bad how dare you say otherwise!

OH shit sorry i confused you with the other mariar
yeah definitely don't investigate this mariar

what other mariar

~snip~

hi if you aren't an Ircher alt could you get another avatar cos part of my method of recognizing people is by avatar

125 makes me lol from irony

Oh right, scum can switch their votes like rebels

still am up to abuse the mechanism to get rid of a select number of players

This is probably town theorizing, did a similar thing in an MU cult game

i don't know your role, for all I know you could have some Scrap/Energon ability that lets you cop 3 players at once that also bulletproofs you.

i also believe it is possible for players to be better at night actions than day play

also ircher is really pinging me right now with that last vote it's too bad I can't fucking vote him.

How am I pinging you?

Also, you can vote me by voting Neither.
Pedit: There is none. Firebringer didn't like 123456789.

oops you confirmed you are ircher

DUEL IN PROGRESS

The only votes counted will be for Firebringer, Katsuki or Neither.

Please note:

A.)Duel - You may post once per day "Duel: Player Name". At this point, only votes counting for you, the player you have dueled, or for neither will be counted. At the end of 48 hours or when one category has a majority OR deadline would activate, the category with the most votes

wins the duel

and all other parties are killed and the day ends. This does not count as using an active ability during the cycle and can not be blocked.

Deadline Sunday 6:30 PST

okay so I think voting neither is safe
VOTE: neither until further notice

If we only get to kill one player per day the game's gonna be pretty long

but it's every 48 hours
that a lot less than a week plus per

when it says "day ends" it means its the end of the day for those people are killed.

obviously.

why are you trying to force your wrong interpretation
trying to fool the town into thinking it's a good thing are we?

If Firebringer duels tomorrow, he will be auto-lynched, mark my words.

Agreed

[Gamma Emerald]

When I was gonna do a votecount for SpyreX.
And realized I can't edit my posts.
S H A M E

Official Vote Count

neither

(7): RadiantCowbells, Firebringer, rb, UnrealSeal, Fundamental Theorem, the worst, Skygazer

Katsuki

(6): Garmr, Creature, MariaR, DrippingGoofball, Brian Skies, BlueBloodedToffee, Katsuki

Firebringer

(3): stungun0404, Toogeloo, Spiffeh

Not Voting

(12): Vecna, gammagooey, Fate, dramonic, Prof Fridays, Lady Lambdadelta, Porkens, neither, Antihero, Princess Celestia, Gamma Emerald, Papa Zito

With 28 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

VOTE: neither
forgot spoilered votes don't count

[Gamma Emerald]

RC IS 100% SCUM BUT NO ONES GONNA LYNCH HIM AFTER IM DEAD LOL

that's one of the ones you can read right (also who killed RC)

MariaR gets duelled by me tomorrow if both flips are town btw

was it confirmed both die on a neither

Who should I duel

no, just no
and let's please not rush into another duel

[Gamma Emerald]

omg who did porkens duel

[Gamma Emerald]

There is no such thing as a free lunch. You are fooling yourself.

I dueld antihero.

Spiffy, i hear your ask.

why tho

[Gamma Emerald]

There is no such thing as a free lunch. You are fooling yourself.

I dueld antihero.

Spiffy, i hear your ask.

why tho

Antihero is a garbage.

Garbage = scrap

Nom nom nom

I think I prefer Antihero over you in terms of town value

[Gamma Emerald]

HELLO

HI

THIS IS PROFESSOR LLD

TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO PLAY A GAME.

THE GAME IS

"WHY IS VOTING NEITHER ANTI-TOWN?"

WELL IT'S SIMPLE.

DO YOU THINK, IN THIS GAMESTATE, SCUM DUELED THEIR OWN TEAM?

NO.

SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IF YOU VOTE NIETHER IS "AFTER I SAW 2 KILLS N1 AND ONE KILL DAY 1, AND WE HAVE 5 DEAD TOWNIES, I'M OK WITH ONE TOWNIE DYING"

INSTEAD OF

I DON'T KNOW

READING EITHER ONE.

AND IF THEY'RE BOTH TOWN, PICK SOMEONE BASED ON FUCKING USEFULNESS.

KILLING THEM BOTH IS BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD.

ALSO, 2 KILLS LAST NIGHT, SO LET'S EVEN ASSUME BEST CASE SCENARIO.

SCUM/SERIAL KILLER DUELED OTHER POTENTIAL SCUM TEAM/SERIAL KILLER.

ODDS OF THAT VERY LOW SINCE SCUM PROBABLY WON'T BE CASUALLY DUELING, AND IF THEY ARE AS A GAMBIT IT WON'T BE ON SCUM MOST OF THE TIME.

SO ENOUHG LAZY VOTING PICK ONE.

Yeah
After that happened I'm not voting neither again
VOTE: Antihero because no way is Porkens winning this

[Gamma Emerald]

There is no such thing as a free lunch. You are fooling yourself.

I dueld antihero.

Spiffy, i hear your ask.

why tho

Antihero is a garbage.

Garbage = scrap

Nom nom nom

I think I prefer Antihero over you in terms of town value

What value does antihero give town?

Not sure but I think Antihero is a better player than you

[Gamma Emerald]

You might have a point but our options are
> Antihero dies (not into this right now)
> Porkens dies (sets an example even if it's not scum)
> Both die (terrible option)
Out of those the second is my preferred choice

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Gamma Emerald town is down 5 within the first cycle

How many opportunities do you think we have to "set an example"?

Explain to me why you want Antihero to live over Porkens please

Not many, that's why it has to happen early
As for why Antihero, I haven't seen a real reason he's scum yet and I think if Anti is town he'll be an asset.

[Gamma Emerald]

If people are going to keep voting in favor of killing the obvious town player I'm probably just gonna stop posting and pray that I get night killed

It would be one thing if Porkens did this and Anti was contributing in a way I expect town!him to be contributing, but Anti has done next to nothing and Porkens has basically claimed a power role and again, would DEFINITELY not have dueled in this manner as scum.

Alright fine, if you say Anti isn't contributing as town!him would then I'll follow this path
VOTE: Porkens

[Gamma Emerald]

> not voting
> shames voters

> not voting
> shames voters

more like premature duelists.

I want dram's blood now

[Gamma Emerald]

No?
Just killing people randomly is the same as dueling like a maniac. I have no idea what Porkens or AH have done this game, I ain't gonna try and kill em before I know.
Hell, I didn't even know Porkens was in this game.

OH YEAH giving that sort of blowback before knowing about the person they're calling scum is scummy af

[Gamma Emerald]

There's really no reason to be talking about multiball right now.

so

but probably multiball so.... not really?

the multiball thing tho

also there seems to be a good chance of multiball

If it turns out we are actually in multiball - this guy, right here.

good post

[Gamma Emerald]

People who might vig Fate (based on join date):
Gamma Emerald (???)

I have played with Fate: I WOULD NOT VIG HIM (unless I had a solid scumread on him)

[Gamma Emerald]

oh look a scum flip finally
but I'm thinking yeah multiball may actually be a thing cause I am not really sure wtf a dinobot is but I know Autobots are the main enemies to Decepticons so there's probably another scum faction titled Autobots (unless I'm dumb and it's a whole bunch of subdivisions of those)

[Gamma Emerald]

are you an autobot :0

From checking wikia I have determined Porkens claimed flavor is not autobot flavor

[Gamma Emerald]

Dinobots are Autobots tho.

Yeah but like a subset
so multiball is more than likely

[Gamma Emerald]

Fam if I knew I woulda wrecked them by now

kinda feeling dumb abt my MariaR read. Tbf lurking is an entirely viable scum tactic here so I'm down to shoot into the lurk pool. Zito is probably a good scumdidate so far

why zito? Also are you claiming vig here?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mod: Can you prod Princess Celestia?

this is...weird
does this mean tw is our dayvig (he stated he wanted to shoot lurkers, this is posted and then Princess Celestia dies)?

[Gamma Emerald]

The new movies never happened.

I think this might actually be useful for flavor spec

[Gamma Emerald]

back to VOTE: Porkens

this is weird why switch votes like this? You were perfectly aware you were plurshifting, and you didn't really have any reason to switch. So why?

[Gamma Emerald]

i mean the wagon voting for antihero to win has like 4 of Fundamental Theorem's scumreads on it

why the fuck is he also on it lmao

which 4

[Gamma Emerald]

Duel: Gammagooey

after Gooey's following post VOTE: Gammagooey
Also thanks Creats, so you're saying your reads changed?

[Gamma Emerald]

vote: gamma

I kinda wanna voice my displeasure for gamma not having shot UnrealSeal yet, but he IS hitting scum so...

er I'm in the game too, you have to include the gooey

[Gamma Emerald]

lol

neither is a player

that's just so voting neither is counter by the auto vc

[Gamma Emerald]

Two "Gamma" plays can get confusing sometimes

I generally cope, most of the time they seem to be talking about gooey so far
of course that speak to my lack of presence this game, which I am okay with for now, I would rather stick around to lategame anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

Last game I was in with Gooey (Product PLacement Upick) I requested being referred to as Gemerald if it wasn't clear enough from context which it was, I feels like Gemerald is more catchy despite not initially liking it

[Gamma Emerald]

What about Gerald?

Too close to Geralt imo, there was a Geralt of Rivia on ms but he left the site in kinda a bitch way and I really don't feel like being associated with him

[Gamma Emerald]

FT was an Ircher alt

[Gamma Emerald]

so maybe

just maybe

we can all take a deep fuckin' breath

and relax for a minute. maybe even an hour or two.

wouldn't that be nice.

and then, if you think someone's scum, you can make a case on them with some details in it, and we can listen to it, and in maybe 48 hours or so, someone can start a duel then.

do you think we can manage it you guys.

Hey, wanna die with me today?

I know I said Neither is bad but

you taking any more breaths in this game feels bad.

You duel Gamma you die until further notice

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it just me or one kill is missing?

we had two kills n1 and n3
n2 I'm assuming the third was by lovers

[Gamma Emerald]

I vote Vecna v dramonic duel.

One thing I'm curious about is why NO ONE is p[aying me any mind. I know Spiffeh called me out earlier and I don't expect my play following that to have earned me a full pardon so what's going on?

[Gamma Emerald]

bit late there Emerald

That was to everybody though, I just quoted LLD because it was the post that provoked it

[Gamma Emerald]

i wanna see gamma emerald duel someone actually

NOT JUST YET NOT YET

I myself am considering dueling someone but I don't need to do it until more scum die
I need to get a solid scumread beyond what is scoped on by duels first, which is hurt by constant duels
PEdit: why are you calling a shot on me rb?

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you a construction gamma?

No. Should I claim my type?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald's posts have all been garbage too

Like every single one without fail

You know what would help? people not dueling every five seconds. let me let people into my thought process.
This is a big game. As such I don't care to form comprehensive reads until much later, around the start I just use what I have and work with it. However since I'm behind I'm trying to maintain current. As such I'm trying to avoid frivolous reading. The duels make it so that for the period of the duel I don't actually have to read anyone outside to duel to make my decisions. AS SUCH, constant duels will lead to less broad analysis from me as I'm scoping in on the dueling parties all the time.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you want to?

I'm not leaning either way as I don't think it means much, so for now no as I don't want to volunteer anything that's not asked for.

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you think of tooglwoo

from just reading what he's posted as I've read through he's seemed kinda iffy, but I have almost 0 experience reading him and the only experience I do have was augmented so I don't trust my read on Toog at all rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so having checked the playerlist I see that over half the game is dead, 13 are left, I think that's small enough for me to actually read all of them, so questions time. Question 1: why does it look like Spiffeh and rb have been acknowledged as town leaders? Did they get this position by merit or force? I'm asking this so I don't end up questioning them down the line and being dumb about it because I didn't take the time to get some background.

[Gamma Emerald]

As for how many scum, I made this analysis a WHILE back, but I think with 2 scumteams they will probably comprise 20% of the population each (so 4-5 on each scumteam). That assumes balanced numbers though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so having checked the playerlist I see that over half the game is dead, 13 are left, I think that's small enough for me to actually read all of them, so questions time. Question 1: why does it look like Spiffeh and rb have been acknowledged as town leaders? Did they get this position by merit or force? I'm asking this so I don't end up questioning them down the line and being dumb about it because I didn't take the time to get some background.

Ok Gamma Emerald has moved from a second choice to also being nonnegotiable for dying today

Pardon me for having just a hair of concern/paranoia over the fact that there are two people who seem to be dictating the development of the game without having seen any reason for it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Pardon me for having just a hair of concern/paranoia over the fact that there are two people who seem to be dictating the development of the game without having seen any reason for it.

the problem isn't your paranoia, it's that your paranoia is being presented in a manner that makes you look way too concerned about how you're being perceived

Fair, and yes I am concerned about being scumread by the two apparent town leaders, but there's also me just not wanting to let scum steer the game in general because I recall both in The Thing Mafia and some other game I'm not 100% on which one rn that something like that happened.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like Gamma Emerald I don't even remember you taking one stance at all this game except for maybe your early catch up posts?

All your recent posts have seemed like your posting just to seem engaged, which makes me feel like you're realizing that now there are no more idiots left to insta-duel and give you a free pass for the cycle, and your lack of actual contribution will start being noticed

I mean you're right about me kinda? I haven't been contributing because of the duels, but it a cause and not an excuse. I detailed this earlier, the tl;dr is because I am not caught up and the duels have been going on, I've just been focusing on who's been dueling each time. Now that I actually have a little time both wrt duels and irl, I'm trying to get into things fully.
PEdit: Okay so I can trust Spiffeh here, rb not so much but at least I'm not going to be worried about the entire driving force being a bad influence

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I'm kinda hoping someone can do a solid for me and find out what software Alisae used to block me in mafia forums because that would be really helpful for reading in a situation like this where most of the players are dead and as such don't need analysis

[Gamma Emerald]

lol scum not wanting to vote the losing party

Did ANYONE think voting the losing party would result in death at this point?

@MOD - Only the winner of a duel gets Energon or Scrap? Or does anyone who voted for the winner get E/S too?

There was an earlier comment that suggested that we wanted to duel early so people get their abilities, but if it's only the winner, then I feel like we should be collectively voting for dueling matchups first and then once the duel starts, vote in the duel. I know that seems a bit convoluted, but it seems like it would be a better way to encourage people to both be actively involved, and make sure that people that we think might be town get a chance to get their Energon or Scrap.

I don't think Toog is scum because they would have this hashed out by now I feel

@Gamma killing both would mean no-one gets Scrap/Energon which would mean we're potentially missing out on game-changing night actions

I don't think the possibility of a Doc/BG is outlandish and even if I think FB is dumb, he's still very likely a town VI which means his night action could still help at least a little bit

plus, I think it's too early to vote neither since Kats could still possibly be useful during day play

not too optimistic after that first post though.

So I'd asked this before: when did we figure out neither killed both?

from a mechanical standpoint, one of firebringer or katsuki would have to be very significantly above null for me to consider not voting neither.

i honestly think rn that katsuki is scum and just made up that strong cop because he knew he had to win the 1v1 because all the sketchy votes are going over to the katsuki surviving side. the best resolution to this either way is to just kill them both.

same rationale behind why you lynch D1 instead of NL, random lynches can hit scum, nightkills can't. upping the amount of random lynches relative to nightkills increases the odds of scum getting hit.

100% RC TOLD FB SCUMBUDDY TO GO DUEL KATS THINKING THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT

CHEEKY FUCKS

Given that all of (RC, fire, katsuki) flipped town I think anyone who backed this shitstorm has a decent chance of flipping scum

[Gamma Emerald]

and frankly we do get information from both flipping town, we get to look through peoples reactions and try to decipher which are scum reactions to a fucking field day for them.

So people took the stance of "both flips are good" despite knowing the results of voting neither
this might be useful
also earmarking this for later on top of this comment

[Gamma Emerald]

Duel: rb

OMG WHY
THIS FEELS SO HORRIBLE
Directly after I explain how duels = less development for me, Toog duels one of the town leaders (the one I trust less but it's still a town leader).
Toog you'd better have a darn good reason for this
And I also don't intend to let this get in my way

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm the town cop.

results from all nights?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm the town cop.

results from all nights?

Don't have any results. It's an energon ability, I need to win a duel first.

Oh I thought you were claiming a result on rb
I wasn't really expecting that but I guess it's alright unless someone demonstrates otherwise.

[Gamma Emerald]

You are setting up Day 2 to be shit by basically allowing anyone who didn't have a preference on the duel to be allowed to get away with killing two players. If they both flip town, scum have basically just helped kill 2 town players without having to do much other than ride the free bandwagon.

Force people to pick a side. Why murder everyone right away and hasten to the end game when you can develop better reads by requiring people to take stances on each death that happens.

Multiple Duels can happen in a single day. If you don't like what happened to a singular flip, re-duel the survivor before day ends and get more reads through vengeance.

Okay can someone sanity check me cos toog's play feels really town to me but I don't have much confidence rn

[Gamma Emerald]

i already did, im skywarp

hmmm

according to lore Skywarp is either Decepticon (good obviously) or in Beast Wars II he's a maximal (Descendant of the autobots, bad)

I'll take a chance with rb, if he is town he'll be better than a cop at this point in the running

this is probably TvT though

VOTE: rb

by play (from what I've seen at least) Toog is much more town
play > claim in the wise words of mastina

[Gamma Emerald]

it's a P ability

"Game Specific Rules:
The following ability types exist in this game:
A.) This is an active ability.
P.) This a passive ability.
E.) This is an Energon ability (see below). You only have access to this if you've gathered Energon from a source. This may be an A, P or E ability.
S.) This is a Scrap ability (see below). You only have access to this if you've gathered Scrap from a source. This may be an A, P or E ability.
F.) This is a factional ability.
W.) This is your win condition. "

commuting is passive

So you're technically compulsive commuter. This makes me more inclined to believe the claim from you, but as I've said Toog's play has felt quite town (derptown yes, but still town)

[Gamma Emerald]

Just stating yours is passive doesn't entirely negate the concept that you'd need a resource.

Okay this is some head-in-rear logic. He's almost explicitly stating it doesn't require energy, why are you still poking it?
PEdit: p much the latter is what I feel like I'm getting at vax

[Gamma Emerald]

People calling rb a town leader need to reevaluate what exactly he's leading as well. Post count does not equal leadership, it just shows he has no life and can hit the post key.

lol this is fucking scum

i even said before the game i was going to lurk, check the signups thread

which...ended up untrueeee, you have the most posts of any individual iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

oh right it doesn't matter i can say it because if i win i can commute every night

i don't commute every night, i teleport away on certain nights - energon means i can teleport as much as i want

VOTE: rb

Good enough for me. I think this is TvT and rb will end up being more useful. I would expect Toog to die tonight anyway if he wins, rendering his cop ability useless anyway.

rb what determnes when you can teleport

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I have no idea why people didnt insta duel Gamma Emerald as soon as he started speaking, because he is extremely blatant scum in this game. The fact he's so hesitant to do shit this game is probably because he saw my name and I soulread his scum ass every single game.

Porkens is also probably scum here. Maria was actively fighting against that wagon and was threatening to dive into the people voting for Porkens, and lo and behind, she ends up dead right after. Porkens is probably on the other scumteam from what antihero was on.

Creature had an extremely towny opening, and always seems to be suspicious of me recently, so I have no problem convincing that slot im actually town and working with it.

Rb is town. UnrealSeal also felt extremely towny in the first 30 pages with his reactions to all the duels.

Excuse me what
Why do you think I give a shit how you read me, iirc you scumread me always and just claim to always be right. And I'm not "hesitant" to do anything, I'm just lazy.

[Gamma Emerald]

K we can shoot vecna too. That catchup is hollow as fuck

nah, dram first

[Gamma Emerald]

that's not how duels work

this is kinda why I'd been feeling toog is town
the number of derptells give me the feeling he's really clueless town, rather than scum who's faking it

[Gamma Emerald]

If they both look town I would rather go the claim route then.

Yeah, based on claim rb is probably the better pick but I do want a solid argument for rb being town, I don't need it before I vote though, in fact I would vote rb now but I'm not sure what the VC is

[Gamma Emerald]

<to vax> I'd like to see like your top two scumreads with your reasons why sometime today/tonight though.

Actually if possible I'd like this from everyone - the readslists are nice but given the amount of scum in the game it's really easy to hide scumbuddies in the big chunks of town/scum that are probably left in the game. Whereas top 2 scumreads with reasons will probably be a lot more helpful later on assuming that we take out a few scum and still have a chance of winning in another game day or two.

Well I definitely have one hashed out: should I out it now or do both at once?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I definitely have one hashed out: should I out it now or do both at once?

doesn't really matter to me

if you do one now and one later quote the first when you do the second so it'll be easier to read back over

okay
I'm scumreading dram rn because his reactions and the timing of his reactions seem a bit calculated/scum motivated. I recall a point where he kinda whiteknighted Vax a bit that pinged me.

[Gamma Emerald]

believe so, it was around that area but it doesn't quite strike me as

The One

[Gamma Emerald]

Vax replaced bbt...

Oh it's this one

[Gamma Emerald]

omg this game was almost a town win
was fun I guess

[Gamma Emerald]

the only thing i'm sad about

is that Unicron wasn't in this game

gg all, especially rb who fooled pretty much everyone.

real talk the only thing I'm actually mad about is people trusting Porkens even when he had screwed over Ircher.

that was a scum move through and through and people should've seen that shit.

OH BTW
I WAS RIGHT TO DOUBT THE TOWN LEADERS (Spiffeh and rb)
THAT WAS MAJESTIC

[Gamma Emerald]

and fyi I don't really count Gooey as town leader, he was more of the town mercenary/free agent. To compare tyo another game, in real folk blues rematch I was in the role Gooey was in here, while Titus and company took the role of what Spiffeh and rb did here