Transformers Mafia - Dinobots STRONGEST!

[Spiffeh]

hi

[Spiffeh]

DGB I missed you

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: rb

[Spiffeh]

I bet Antihero rolled scum this game

[Spiffeh]

lol everyone has intel on Creature's meta don't worry

[Spiffeh]

this is stupid

[Spiffeh]

At the end of 48 hours or when one category has a majority OR deadline would activate, the category with the most votes wins the duel and all other parties are killed

and the day ends.

[Spiffeh]

Fire prob isn't suicidal enough to duel this early as scum but I'm also prob going to vote no winner b/c fuck him literally to death for dueling this early

Only read to pg7 but I'm out for a while

Serious question: Did you actually think the duel mechanic would result in anything other than this?

Because it was pretty obvious even in signups that someone would be THAT GUY, and while I can maybe excuse some of the newer players for being surprised I feel like you should know the playerlist well enough to at least expect something like this would happen

[Spiffeh]

Also there is literally no reason to quicklynch?!?!?

48 hours is quick enough

[Spiffeh]

town has already lost

not if we ignore the people with awful ideas

there is still hope

[Spiffeh]

can you all stop posting so my brilliant insights aren't buried by the trash that is being spewed

tia

[Spiffeh]

UnrealSeal just write me off as town it's much easier that way

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer is pretty obviously town here, there's no reason to duel so early as scum when it's only gonna piss people off

I don't think he's game throwing in either instance, but Maria's explanation for wanting him dead because "if he were town he'd be game throwing" is the exact opposite of how I feel?

If he's scum he brings unneeded attention to himself and ensures that he only has a 33% chance of surviving the day, whereas if he's town it's still stupid and annoying, but at yields some interesting reactions to get reads from.

Maria are you scum reading FB for reasons other than "if he were town he'd be game throwing"?

[Spiffeh]

ohhh shit, dueling is actually a part of this game.

Duel: Katsuki

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

This is going to be fun.

These two posts make it seem like Firebringer didn't even realize the dueling mechanic existed until 132 and his decision to duel is spur of the moment so it's pretty obvious he didn't have some master plan, and I think scum!Firebringer at least consults his scumbuddies before doing it

[Spiffeh]

Also I feel no type of way about Katsuki and he'll probably be null for the entire game so him dying now is fine

VOTE: Firebringer

[Spiffeh]

The idea is that he will have learned his lesson and won't be stupid enough to do this again tomorrow

But who knows

[Spiffeh]

plus, I think it's too early to vote neither since Kats could still possibly be useful during day play

lol

[Spiffeh]

For those of you who don't know, Katsuki claiming cop/vig/whatever to save himself is most certainly a lie

He would also lie like this as either alignment, so it's best to just ignore him when he claims

[Spiffeh]

I don't want to be in this game with RC on day 2.

Thats why I want Neither.

If this is the case I think replacing out would be far more appropriate than trying to kill your own slot.

[Spiffeh]

Here's the thing: the order is completely alphabetized except for the bottom, I really doubt that's unintentional, so either there's some kind of benign mechanical purpose behind it or the mods are fucking with us. I don't think it's worth actually seriously discussing it beyond that and I didn't intend for the conversation over it to get this serious/memey by pointing it out.

The bottom 5 people were signed up with a lowercase letter at the beginning of their names

So the top 23 have an uppercase letter beginning their names and are in alphabetical order
and the bottom 5 have a lowercase letter beginning their names and are in alphabetical order

[Spiffeh]

fack RC beat me to it

[Spiffeh]

Ok I'm all caught up and have few town reads and no strong scum reads

hooray

[Spiffeh]

no and no

[Spiffeh]

I have no idea what you've accomplished as town this year and I also don't really care

Firebringer is one of my strong town reads and you're null and probably always will be so I want you to die over him

It's not really your fault but that's how it goes

[Spiffeh]

Ok um can we wait for

Vecna
Papa Zito
LLD
dramonic
Princess Celestia
Antihero
Gamma Emerald
Prof Fridays
Porkens
BBT

to contribute significantly before we start any duels again? It’s not really their fault since it hasn’t even been 48 hours since game start and there’s no reason not to wait 3ish days before dueling as our max number of fuels is two if Fundamental Theorem duels first.

[Spiffeh]

I agree if there’s someone out of that group I would lynch rn it would probably be Anti

[Spiffeh]

I've only really skimmed the last ~15 pages but I have enough gut town leans on the active people to think there's a fair amount of scum in that pile

[Spiffeh]

Read the game before you make moronic moves please

[Spiffeh]

Or just don't make moronic moves

[Spiffeh]

I’m so glad all the inactive people can continue to get away with doing nothing

[Spiffeh]

stungun: I'm town reading Fundamental Theorem, Garmr, MariaR, Toogeloo, Creature, Skygazer, UnrealSeal, rb to varying degrees

The only ones I'd say I'm confident in are FT, Garmr, and MariaR

[Spiffeh]

hi LLD how are you?

[Spiffeh]

UnrealSeal you think scum would risk dueling after how well that went for Firebringer yesterday?

I think there's a possibility that Antihero is scum, it would have been REALLY NICE to have a few days for him to get engaged in the game because I feel that I can usually get a pretty accurate read on him if he's actually posting

But at this moment I would definitely save Porkens over Anti

[Spiffeh]

@UnrealSeal I don't see why you're not really considering the possibility that they are dumb!town?

I'd also think that Ircher would have one of Porkens' scum buddies in mind to duel if Porkens were to sacrifice himself in order to prevent Ircher's ability from activating. Who do you think that would be?

I feel like you're reaching to paint Porkens' move in a scummy light and ignoring the easier conclusion to draw: that they are town, weren't really paying attention, and just wanted to use the role that they've been hinting at

[Spiffeh]

fine

porkens full claim now or i'm just going to vote antihero to win even though I think he's more likely scum than you

I think this is a really bad approach and something you should really not be doing as town

I understand the frustration but we're already down like 5 people so not taking the opportunity to remove someone you think is more likely to flip scum than Porkens doesn't make any sense to me no matter how annoying he is

[Spiffeh]

Prof Fridays you vote for who you want to win in the duel

Meaning that if you want Antihero to die you need to vote for Porkens

[Spiffeh]

The bottom line is that no scum player would random duel today after all the shit Firebringer got for it last Day

While it was an extremely suboptimal move for Porkens to have done this as town, the fact that they keep soft claiming some role needing scrap makes it pretty obvious that they had some PURPOSE for the move as town.

The fact that UnrealSeal is painting scum motivation into this move is pretty ridiculous and sketchy af

[Spiffeh]

The bottom line is that no scum player would random duel today after all the shit Firebringer got for it last Day

The bottom line is that no scum player would random duel today after all the shit Firebringer got for it last Day

The bottom line is that no scum player would random duel today after all the shit Firebringer got for it last Day

The bottom line is that no scum player would random duel today after all the shit Firebringer got for it last Day

The bottom line is that no scum player would random duel today after all the shit Firebringer got for it last Day

[Spiffeh]

Gamma Emerald needs to die immediately

[Spiffeh]

Hey Gamma Emerald town is down 5 within the first cycle

How many opportunities do you think we have to "set an example"?

Explain to me why you want Antihero to live over Porkens please

[Spiffeh]

If people are going to keep voting in favor of killing the obvious town player I'm probably just gonna stop posting and pray that I get night killed

It would be one thing if Porkens did this and Anti was contributing in a way I expect town!him to be contributing, but Anti has done next to nothing and Porkens has basically claimed a power role and again, would DEFINITELY not have dueled in this manner as scum.

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Porkens

[Spiffeh]

Yeah Porkens just because I think you're pretty obviously town doesn't mean you didn't make a colossally idiotic move

From now on Fundamental Theorem should be the first person to duel

If they even survive the night

[Spiffeh]

The bottom line is that no scum player would random duel today after all the shit Firebringer got for it last Day

The bottom line is that no scum player would random duel today after all the shit Firebringer got for it last Day

The bottom line is that no scum player would random duel today after all the shit Firebringer got for it last Day

The bottom line is that no scum player would random duel today after all the shit Firebringer got for it last Day

The bottom line is that no scum player would random duel today after all the shit Firebringer got for it last Day

[Spiffeh]

@UnrealSeal I don't see why you're not really considering the possibility that they are dumb!town?

I'd also think that Ircher would have one of Porkens' scum buddies in mind to duel if Porkens were to sacrifice himself in order to prevent Ircher's ability from activating. Who do you think that would be?

I feel like you're reaching to paint Porkens' move in a scummy light and ignoring the easier conclusion to draw: that they are town, weren't really paying attention, and just wanted to use the role that they've been hinting at

@Brian

[Spiffeh]

Or maybe I'm making the most of a shitty situation and going after the person that actually has a chance of flipping scum?

[Spiffeh]

LLD why can't it be a town role?

[Spiffeh]

Yes Brian because punishing Firebringer for it yesterday worked really well in preventing the hasty random duels from happening today

If we keep punishing the behavior over finding/lynching the actual scum we're going to lose pretty quickly

Yes the random duels are really awful

There's not really anything to be done about that right now that doesn't continue to reduce town's chances at winning

[Spiffeh]

I literally thought I was a mafia traitor until last night sooooo anyone who's townreading me probably needs to do a quick hard reset

lmao

[Spiffeh]

for some reason I believe him unconditionally

[Spiffeh]

who did you think your scum buddies were?

[Spiffeh]

this is my favorite thing

[Spiffeh]

I should probably start trying harder to sort people this game but that sounds so annoying

[Spiffeh]

I don't really see anything explicitly wrong with or bad about Antihero's recent posts, he actually brings up a really good point about Prof Fridays that I also noticed when he was interacting with me. It's just that there's nothing there that COULDN'T be from scum!Antihero.

Rereading his interaction with FB doesn't make me feel that great either

I expect town!Antihero plays a stronger role in trying to save Firebringer there, at least attempting to convince people to vote his way instead of making the weak stance he did and disappearing from the thread until he's the one in the hot seat.

And I still hard town read Porkens so yeah

[Spiffeh]

Hi I’m several pages/maybe even a whole cycle behind but there needs to actually some level of hangtume between Day start and duel initiation or we’re going to keep lynching townies

[Spiffeh]

I’d like to be able to dive back into this game again before hammer

I’ll be out of work in ~2 hours

[Spiffeh]

Oh no I’m next

[Spiffeh]

I’ll literally be home to do things in like 30 minutes PLEASE don’t make any major decisions before I can look at this game

[Spiffeh]

HEY SCUM TEAMS MAYBE START SHOOTING EACH OTHER BECAUSE TOWN IS CLEARLY OUT OF THE RUNNING

[Spiffeh]

I’ll figure it out when I get home

[Spiffeh]

Can’t Gamma still shoot today?

[Spiffeh]

Oh yeah that might be the way we salvage this

[Spiffeh]

Just looking at the playerlist I want dramonic dead immediately

I'm town reading a TON of people which is annoying and I'll have to sort that out at some point but I can't see a fucking world where dramonic is town here and has been this absent and useless

All he's done is complain about the quick duels and claim a scum read on UnrealSeal all the way back in his first post in the game which supposedly still holds true rn but he has done nothing to actually push it? Dram isn't always the most high volume poster but when he is super convinced about something he goes after it hard and doesn't let it go

And I'm pretty sure dram lurks WAY more often as scum than town

[Spiffeh]

Gamma Emerald's posts have all been garbage too

Like every single one without fail

[Spiffeh]

I'm hard town reading Gammagooey Porkens and Creature

Toogeloo and rb I have had pretty hard town reads on previously that I don't feel like reevaluating right now because fuck this game

Gun to my head I'd say UnrealSeal and Papa Zito are town but there might not even be that many town players left alive depending on how many scum were on each team to begin with?

Everyone else I can be convinced to let die today

dram is nonnegotiable
Gamma Emerald would probs be my second choice

[Spiffeh]

And I realize I'm basically town reading all of the active people but I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility that scum realized their best bet was to lurk the fuck out of this game because all they really needed to do to survive was not be a part of a duel

[Spiffeh]

You guys are bad

Vaxkiller replaced BBT and Skygazer is dead

[Spiffeh]

Papa Zito what are your reads rn?

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I'm not sure what's a conventional number of scum for large multiball games like this one

[Spiffeh]

Okay so having checked the playerlist I see that over half the game is dead, 13 are left, I think that's small enough for me to actually read all of them, so questions time. Question 1: why does it look like Spiffeh and rb have been acknowledged as town leaders? Did they get this position by merit or force? I'm asking this so I don't end up questioning them down the line and being dumb about it because I didn't take the time to get some background.

Ok Gamma Emerald has moved from a second choice to also being nonnegotiable for dying today

[Spiffeh]

I also think Scum being all lurkers is unlikely due to stungun's posting.

Who do you think is scum?

[Spiffeh]

Pardon me for having just a hair of concern/paranoia over the fact that there are two people who seem to be dictating the development of the game without having seen any reason for it.

the problem isn't your paranoia, it's that your paranoia is being presented in a manner that makes you look way too concerned about how you're being perceived

[Spiffeh]

Like Gamma Emerald I don't even remember you taking one stance at all this game except for maybe your early catch up posts?

All your recent posts have seemed like your posting just to seem engaged, which makes me feel like you're realizing that now there are no more idiots left to insta-duel and give you a free pass for the cycle, and your lack of actual contribution will start being noticed

[Spiffeh]

I find it really hard to believe that this is the game Creature rolled scum and decided to completely subvert his meta and post consistently throughout the game

Especially in a game where it benefits scum to lurk and be overlooked which is the only strategy I've ever seen scum!Creature employ

[Spiffeh]

I guess Toogeloo is someone I should reevaluate but ugh

[Spiffeh]

How about we don’t power-anything

And I really really really want you to shoot dramonic

[Spiffeh]

That’s fine, luckily we have 48 hours to make that decision

[Spiffeh]

No I was high key pushing for Porkens to win the duel

[Spiffeh]

Ok there’s no way Toogeloo is stupid enough to duel rb as the town cop here so I will be voting for rn to win the duel when the time comes

[Spiffeh]

Vecna please read the game and you will find out

[Spiffeh]

Consider my vote for rb to win the duel as well: just waiting on Gamma to shoot

[Spiffeh]

Ok there’s no way Toogeloo is stupid enough to duel rb as the town cop here so I will be voting for rn to win the duel when the time comes

lol my phone autocorrected rb to rn

damn millennials

[Spiffeh]

I wouldn't cry at Vecna being shot either

I feel like my earlier arguments for Gamma Emerald could apply to Vecna as well: he noticed that he couldn't get away with lurking anymore so he started posting for the sake of posting. This is exactly how I'd expect lurker scum to react. The whole Porkens vs. Antihero wagon 'analysis' thing in particular is super useless without Porkens actually flipped, as is the way he tries to associate me and Porkens, again, without a flip.

dram's consistency with being useless actually makes him look a little townier to me because I feel he would feel the urge to contribute more now that he's being heavily suggested as the vig kill for today if he were scum. He might really just be super uninvested town and not give a shit. I still scum read him overall but not as much as I did before, so I'd suggest shooting Gamma Emerald or Vecna over him rn

[Spiffeh]

Hi fam I am so proud