Transformers Mafia - Dinobots STRONGEST!

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First.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

hello again.

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VOTE: UnrealSeal

You bastard! I wanted to be first!

all hail the F5 key

game start PM's are for the weak

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RC and Spiffeh no votes

clearly scum partners

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>double posting
>actually posting at all

creature already locktown

sick hot meta reads

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Game's gonna need to pick up steam

it's been 30 minutes holy shit calm down

also rb is that a serious vote

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actually more like 40 but whatever

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rb listen

this is mafia

you have to assume that everyone but you and scum is braindead

including me

because I am braindead

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MariaR's avi is one of my mains in BBTAG, instant townlock kappa.

@stungun, I was pseudo-joking when I called creature "locktown". I do have a townlean on him since his play seems more reminiscent of Mini Normal 2015 (where he was town with me) than 8P Lynchpin (where he was scum and I fucking called him but then shit happened and argahapbhjkdsa) so far but it's very early so things can change.

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speaking of which RC seems to be playing more like 8P Lynchpin here so for now I'll move my vote to Spiffeh

VOTE: Spiffeh

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creature's scumgame is to post one thing scummy and then lurk for the rest of the game while RC fervantly defends him kappa

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creature's scumgame is to post one thing scummy and then lurk for the rest of the game while RC fervantly defends him kappa

who r u?

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@mod does voting for neither in a duel also end the day

also I have objections to that statement RC but i would rather not let past quarrels get in the way

especially when new quarrels will likely arise anyways kek

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A.)Duel - You may post once per day "Duel: Player Name". At this point, only votes counting for you, the player you have dueled, or for neither will be counted. At the end of 48 hours or when one category has a majority OR deadline would activate, the category with the most votes wins the duel and all other parties are killed and the day ends. This does not count as using an active ability during the cycle and can not be blocked.

If "Neither" wins, all other parties are killed and the day ends.

oh

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

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What do you mean all other parties

say Ircher were to duel Fire

if people voted for Neither, both Ircher and Fire would be lynched.

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why the fuck

i hate this mechanic already

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VOTE: Fire

unless you have some stupidly powerful Scrap/Energon ability I'm not sure I want you around after this

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they're probably both town

katsuki hasn't even posted, and while I don't have exact maths i highly doubt he hit scum

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i don't know your role, for all I know you could have some Scrap/Energon ability that lets you cop 3 players at once that also bulletproofs you.

i also believe it is possible for players to be better at night actions than day play

also ircher is really pinging me right now with that last vote it's too bad I can't fucking vote him.

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*post not vote

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also I hate how he posts at sanic speeds like jesus christ

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you ping me by asking for a speedlynch

not the greatest reasoning but still, it's better than anything else I have so far.

also I forgot about that part

VOTE: Katsuki

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as long as Katsuki is the one who wins I'm fine with the duel

unless Katsuki turns out to be dumber than Fire which I highly doubt

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like I get this game is memes but I still disapprove of random dueling heavily

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is that a scumclaim or a bulletproof claim

can we fucking kill Ircher.

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referring to 190 not 191

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I agree Spiffeh

Firebringer can you please learn to read

the category with the most votes wins the duel and all other parties are killed and the day ends

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@stungun it is not a good plan

you don't know whether or not scum have already posted already

there are too many people required to make Katsuki win

all this will do is prevent town PR's from acting.

votes on Katsuki are still good though

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@ircher it's not a hard thing to adapt to though.

@garmr one at a time only

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@skygazer it is memey and that's why Katsuki needs to win

I don't want these random duels to become a thing

I mean they probably will become a thing just to spite me but whatever

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someone's probably going to random duel me D2 just out of spite

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@skygazer I don't think necessarily because I'm pretty sure they're are roles that get scrap/energon outside of duels

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we should let Katsuki post but he probably isn't even awake

roleclaiming would be kind of bad since they would probably get NK'd due to the probable power of Scrap/Energon abilites.

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this brings me to the topic

why are you voting for Fire to win Creature

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then again, there is probably a doc/bg of some sort

idk maybe NK speculation at this point was a bad idea.

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rb you need to vote for the person you want to win

voting for Firebringer means you want him to win, which means he'll survive the duel and Katsuki will die

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@garmr do you even know if Katsuki is awake at this time of day

you are literally voting for someone who random duels people who haven't posted over someone who could potentially be actually useful

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town has already lost

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@Ircher he has literally stated intent to do just that.

why do you think he is worth keeping around.

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@garmr I don't think Fire is scum either

I do think he's stupid and I do think that there's very little chance he hit scum with his random duel

that's why I want him gone

but fine whatever

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Official Duel Count

Katsuki

(4): UnrealSeal, Garmr, rb, Creature

Firebringer

(4): Fundamental Theorem, Skygazer, stungun0404, Toogeloo

Not Voting

(20): Vecna, MariaR, RadiantCowbells, gammagooey, Fate,

Katsuki

, the worst, Brian Skies, Prof Fridays, DrippingGoofball, Lady Lambdadelta, Spiffeh, Porkens, dramonic, Antihero, Princess Celestia, Gamma Emerald, BlueBloodedToffee, Papa Zito,

Firebringer

With 28 alive, it takes 15 to declare a winner

oh they can vote for the other/themselves.

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if someone duels only votes for them, the other guy, or neither are counted

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@rb idk

the duel has taken a lot of attention away so I can't actually form scum-reads

i want to say Ircher is scum but I can't justify that to myself. I think he's probably either town or some sort of survivor with an wincon that involves dueling (i forget if there are 3rd parties here)

Creature is probably town

you are probably town

Spiffeh's a little sus, mostly because he hasn't posted much substance and I theorize he might be trying to buddy up with some of the more exasperated players in the game

@Toog, duels end the day

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@Toog regular lynching means the wagons are flexible and you can lynch a guy for saying something stupid

duels SHOULD be used in the case you really need to push a scum-read and prevent dumb counter-wagons and deflection from forming

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@rb I don't agree with Spiffeh. I get a scum-lean from him.

he's not really done much and his posting seems more like he's trying to fit in with the people who are exasperated with the random duel stuff

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@Toog tbh, they are probably ways to gain Scrap/Energon other ways that don't require duels

this is why I disagree so heavily with the random duel, because Fire didn't even try to see how the night plays out before rushing to try and get his power/whatever he wanted to do with this.

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oh hey kats-

>allcaps as the first post and does nothing, says there waiting for another player

oh no

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@rb I don't agree with Spiffeh. I get a scum-lean from him.

he's not really done much and his posting seems more like he's trying to fit in with the people who are exasperated with the random duel stuff

sounds like standard town spiffeh to me

as scum i think he tries much harder early game

eh, I just don't get good vibes from him

but then again I don't have meta on him so whatever.

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that does not help in the slightest.

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@Gamma killing both would mean no-one gets Scrap/Energon which would mean we're potentially missing out on game-changing night actions

I don't think the possibility of a Doc/BG is outlandish and even if I think FB is dumb, he's still very likely a town VI which means his night action could still help at least a little bit

plus, I think it's too early to vote neither since Kats could still possibly be useful during day play

not too optimistic after that first post though.

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@RC possible investigation/vig night actions. could also be some more outlandish abilities.

I would rather solve the game than just lynch people to thin the herd.

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@Gamma killing both would mean no-one gets Scrap/Energon which would mean we're potentially missing out on game-changing night actions

I don't think the possibility of a Doc/BG is outlandish and even if I think FB is dumb, he's still very likely a town VI which means his night action could still help at least a little bit

plus, I think it's too early to vote neither since Kats could still possibly be useful during day play

not too optimistic after that first post though.

I don't understand if you think fire is town why vote for kat to win? Kat should of been considered null when you voted because of the no posts and isn't it better to keep town alive even if you think they are a vi?.

because in this case, it was more about the potential detriment both players posed to town

Firebringer random dueled and stated an intent to essentially do it again.

Katsuki didn't even post until now and with her recent claim will be relatively easy to sort after the duel.

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HOPE YOU HAVE A ROLEBLOCK ON YOUR TEAM BECAUSE IM SHOOTING YOU IN THE FACE TONIGHT RC

on second thought I do hate both of you guys

VOTE: neither

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@fire you specifically took away everybody's ability to actually push scum-reads and vote on alignment

when you did a random duel

and now your trying to suicide because "I don't want to be with RC in D2"

explain to me

how any of this

is playing to your wincon

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question for you:
why are you making decisions based on how you feel about someone rather than what alignment you think they are?

If you think either of us are negative utility to the town, you are being far more negatiive utility by basically advocating two people lynched in which you have so far demonstrated thinking both are town.

@fire you specifically took away everybody's ability to actually push scum-reads and vote on alignment

when you did a random duel

@Gamma killing both would mean no-one gets Scrap/Energon which would mean we're potentially missing out on game-changing night actions

I don't think the possibility of a Doc/BG is outlandish and even if I think FB is dumb, he's still very likely a town VI which means his night action could still help at least a little bit

plus, I think it's too early to vote neither since Kats could still possibly be useful during day play

not too optimistic after that first post though.

I don't understand if you think fire is town why vote for kat to win? Kat should of been considered null when you voted because of the no posts and isn't it better to keep town alive even if you think they are a vi?.

because in this case, it was more about the potential detriment both players posed to town

Firebringer random dueled and stated an intent to essentially do it again.

Katsuki didn't even post until now and with her recent claim will be relatively easy to sort after the duel.

HOPE YOU HAVE A ROLEBLOCK ON YOUR TEAM BECAUSE IM SHOOTING YOU IN THE FACE TONIGHT RC

on second thought I do hate both of you guys

VOTE: neither

These posts are followed by each other.
Lets dig deeper.

Earlier we had seal say that he would lynch me for the exception if i had a very good role. This means he considers role important and he even confirmed this later when he said that i coudl make it up for my "stupid day play" by being good at night actions.

Now he says "Kats can be sorted with role" then immediately jumps to side of "Lynch them both!". What? These aren't rational and they don't make sense for anything kats has done to receive the hatred of seal to justify a lynch on him.

This doesn't compute.

The vig claim was either 1) not real and a scum gambit gone too far )2 not real and a shitty fucking joke or 3) actually real and an uber-powerful role

considering the shitposting Kats did beforehand, I made a hasty decision in that it wasn't worth waiting for night to sort him, and that is was better to just wipe the slate clean of both of you and have a fresh D2

I'm going to sleep after this.

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sounds like you're not interested in sorting at all tbh

if i'm actually being honest, I'm not

I've come to the conclusion that in the most likely scenario (they're both town) that neither flip would be helpful to town in terms of associatives

I don't think we get much of anything out of this D1.

anyways, actually going to sleep now

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VOTE: UnrealSeal

Don't like that disappearance after getting placed into several people's scumreads

i did not disappear. Saturday's are generally pretty busy for me as I gotta setup stuff for D&D

UnrealSeal (-61%) : I have many issues with this ISO. For instance, 18 is an objectively bad post and feels like scum!Seal trying to pocket and/or buddy Creature. (This is regardless of the fact that it was an exaggeration.) 31 pings me as well. I don't really like 176 because saying someone pings due to asking for a speedlynch sounds much more like a policy reason than a legitimate scumping. Apparently, it doesn't take long for their pings to turn into a full-fledged scumread in 192, but that doesn't mean the reasoning really got any better. Their defense of Katsuki in posts like 281 strikes me as being too forceful/aggressive. 302 is really bad when you consider other posts they have made (like 281). Then we also have posts like 467 (bad logic; get the feeling that Unreal is purposely trying to paint this a certain way) and 469 (where they admit they aren't interested in sorting...)

ignoring the fact that you got some shit blatantly wrong (I explained 18 in 99, and I didn't scumread you in 192, I explained my read on you specifically in 339)

the big problem here is you've failed to explain exactly why any of this makes me scum. bad posting I'll give you, I'm absolutely shit at mafia

but bad posting =/= scum motivated posting. explain to me how my posting is scum motivated.

getting away from the wagon on me, I think scum is more likely to be in the lurkers than in the big posters, especially in a game this big and especially with the duel mechanic since they would want to avoid duels at all cost.

I think Antihero specifically needs looking at since his posting was weak and disinterested, his reasons for voting Fire specifically come off as just wanting to vote on the duel and avoid attention.

VOTE: Antihero

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re: multiball

i don't think the game is multi-ball, more likely scum + sk + survivor/jester.

Brian Skies posting makes me think he could actually be a jester of some kind.

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VOTE: Neither

two lurkers with weak posting both duke it out

okay then.

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thinking about it more holy shit

that duel is actually so garbage

because you just fucked over Ircher.

VOTE: Antihero

Antihero's posting is still bad but Porkens should not be allowed to live after that shit.

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Every one of my posts is game related. Antihero s are fluff. vote antihero, i want some scrap.

okay but that doesn't change the fact

that you just prevented Ircher from using his ability

and putting him in danger because scum will probably target him now

even if there's a doc/bg in the game, this is completely unacceptable.

also, making 4 posts with the word "scummy" does not count as good posting

You are firm irch town ya?

Ircher is most likely town, his role would necessarily be better on town.

yes, there's nothing saying he can't be scum but his ability as described probably makes him pro-town.

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no, just no
and let's please not rush into another duel

TOO LATE.

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actually if that dayvig is town aligned can he dayvig Porkens?

i would assume that would end the duel and we could continue the game

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what even is your ability Porkens.

why is it so important that your willing to fuck over another player and derail the game

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@LLD you could probably work on your public speaking skills but the logic is good there.

i already voted for Antihero to win, Porkens should not be left alive after this and he's actually likely to be scum, two possibilities are that he's dumb and thought it would be an easy duel win, or he's offering himself up so the rest of his team can get rid of Ircher.

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UnrealSeal you think scum would risk dueling after how well that went for Firebringer yesterday?

my theory is that Porkens is more sacrificing himself so Ircher can't use his ability today and his team will try to get at Ircher during the night

there's also the possibility Porkens is dumb!scum.

There's really just no town motivation behind his duel.

Idk, I'll wait for Anti to post before I judge more but for rn I'm voting to save him.

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@UnrealSeal I don't see why you're not really considering the possibility that they are dumb!town?

I'd also think that Ircher would have one of Porkens' scum buddies in mind to duel if Porkens were to sacrifice himself in order to prevent Ircher's ability from activating. Who do you think that would be?

I feel like you're reaching to paint Porkens' move in a scummy light and ignoring the easier conclusion to draw: that they are town, weren't really paying attention, and just wanted to use the role that they've been hinting at

I have considered that possibility which is why I originally voted Neither. But combined with Porkens refusing to role claim, I think the possibility he's scum is also really good.

in my mind both players are scummy but I know that they can't both be scum (unless theres a Traitor or it's scum v. sk which I doubt) so I'm really weighing up who I has the higher chance to flip scum and that's Porkens

but the real answer is I refuse to live in a reality where any one town player is this stupid

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sometimes I wonder why I join this game.

VOTE: Gammagooey

I am somewhat cautious about this since I think Brian might be a jester of some kind but I also think I'm stupid so we should at least try to save our Dayvig

Scum either have a strongman or there is no doctor/bg in this game, because they should've been on Fundamental tonight

I also think the multi-ball subject should be brought up again I think because Antihero flipped with "Insecticon Nihilist" but still had the Town color.

I think it's likely that "Dinobot" could either denote simply another Mafia Goon or a Mafia Traitor of some kind

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@Brian I know he was town bro. I'm saying his role listed him as an Insecticon and I'm pretty sure in lore those two factions are allies

I'm saying that maybe Dinobots aren't a separate faction much like how Insecticon's aren't a seperate faction

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sometimes I wonder why I join this game.

VOTE: Gammagooey

I am somewhat cautious about this since I think Brian might be a jester of some kind but I also think I'm stupid so we should at least try to save our Dayvig

Scum either have a strongman or there is no doctor/bg in this game, because they should've been on Fundamental tonight

Or the more probable explanation that there is, except that they need Energon for it.

???

What makes you say this?

Especially since Gamma hasn't needed to have Energon/Scrap to use his Dayvig apparently.

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@Brian I know he was town bro. I'm saying his role listed him as an Insecticon and I'm pretty sure in lore those two factions are allies

I'm saying that maybe Dinobots aren't a separate faction much like how Insecticon's aren't a seperate faction

Except they clearly had a different color (and therefore a different win-con).

You are being purposely obtuse at this point.

I am saying that perhaps this is not a multi-ball as so many people have assumed. My reasoning for this is that Insecticon was still a town role, so it stands to reason that Dinobot could simply be Mafia (or this case, Autobots) under another name or perhaps a Mafia Traitor

sometimes I wonder why I join this game.

VOTE: Gammagooey

I am somewhat cautious about this since I think Brian might be a jester of some kind but I also think I'm stupid so we should at least try to save our Dayvig

Scum either have a strongman or there is no doctor/bg in this game, because they should've been on Fundamental tonight

Or the more probable explanation that there is, except that they need Energon for it.

???

What makes you say this?

Especially since Gamma hasn't needed to have Energon/Scrap to use his Dayvig apparently.

What do you mean what makes me say this? We know many (I would wager to guess most) abilities need Energon (or scrap) to be used. Seems like a reasonable enough explanation to me.

But people still have an ability they can use before getting Energon/Scrap. Gamma can use his Dayvig without needing Energon/Scrap, I can use mine without Energon/Scrap.

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But people still have an ability they can use before getting Energon/Scrap. Gamma can use his Dayvig without needing Energon/Scrap, I can use mine without Energon/Scrap.

I don't, so that's where my assumption is coming from.

Ah, alright.

I would assume your Town so tomorrow we should let either you or Skygazer be the ones to duel.

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I just hope that Brian's death doesn't end the game.

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okay so nevermind my whole rambling about multi-ball

we are actually in it.

gj Gamma

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@the worst @LLD could you two not start another fucking duel as soon D4 starts.

we're at a point where we need to actually be scumhunting and not bitching amongst ourselves.

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Also I'm a fucking bodyguard btw, Gamma.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

explain why you were not on Fundamental Theorem

this is either a fakeclaim or your the dumbest fucking BG to have ever played Mafia

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Another quick blow, the screams echoed. One less coward.

Lady Lambdadelta -

Astrotrain, Decepticon Transport

is no more.

so it was the latter then

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Vecna and Porkens are two people that really need closer looking at.

Vecna for lurking, Porkens because he took his scrap and ran off with it. He hasn't posted since that duel.

Gooey if your gonna do a dayvig shot of your own shoot one of these two plz thanks.

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I didn't

what is the ability?

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@Creature, I'd rather someone we know is townie duel someone we think is scummy

I'm thinking Prof Fridays should go or Gooey should do it again since he eluded to having a protective Energon ability of some kind

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oh wait Gooey can't duel

nvm me

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@Papa Zito it might've been Brian's ability maybe?

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@Zito Yeah but then nobody would get scrap/energon out of it and we still have a dayvig (two apparently)

I don't think that kind of tactic is optimal

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actually thinking about it, if Gammagooey isn't lying (I don't think he is because we can easily test that and lynch him if he refuses) it's likely one of the two dayvigs is a scum dayvig

@Creature, but we can get rid of two scum by having the dayvig shoot the other.

have someone townie duel Vecna/Dram, then dayvig the other.

two scum (if they're both scum) and an E/S ability

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because she claimed BG and they didn't want to deal with that?

pretty WIFOM but I don't think the possibility should be dismissed

re: Porkens, it might be related to his ability.

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@Porkens okay I looked up Devastator

@Gooey ignore my post about shooting Porkens

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@Creature, but we can get rid of two scum by having the dayvig shoot the other.

the third scum?

Okay but most of the talk I've seen revolves around Vecna/Dram

who is the "third scum" in this scenario.

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bit late there Emerald

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@Emerald i can't read people's minds but I think it's the fact that your not a hard lurker like Vecna/Dram

you do stuff and it may not be the best stuff but it's stuff.

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but there might not even be that many town players left alive depending on how many scum were on each team to begin with?

this is a concern that I don't think has been brought up actually

I'd say it's likely 6 scum total maybe less. We've killed 2 so I think at the most there's 4 scum remaining.

I also think Scum being all lurkers is unlikely due to stungun's posting.

speaking of which, I'm gonna ISO Stungun to see if he had any specific biases against people, especially after the Dinobot flip.

I think it's in town's best interest to try and get rid of one scum team completely before moving on to the next team, so we can reduce the amount of kills.

also what happened to MariaR? did they die?

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I also think Scum being all lurkers is unlikely due to stungun's posting.

Who do you think is scum?

Vecna/Dram for reasons stated many times

Toog because he's also disappeared

sort of scumlean on Creature because I think his play is venturing further into 8P Lynchpin (the game I played with him where he was scum) and I don't think he's contributed much to the game at this point.

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As for how many scum, I made this analysis a WHILE back, but I think with 2 scumteams they will probably comprise 20% of the population each (so 4-5 on each scumteam). That assumes balanced numbers though.

4-5 on each scumteam would make 8-9 scum in total

Town would've auto lost by this point

although who knows maybe we have.

I'll stick with my 6 scum out of sheer optimism

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Toog can you actually explain shit

instead of being a fuckwad.

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why did you not open with that

I'll believe it for now but if rb flips town your dead kid

VOTE: Toog

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oh you don't actually have a result

WHY WOULD YOU FUCKING DUEL THE MOST POPULAR TOWN READ THEN

YOU IDIOT

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VOTE: rb

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@Prof Toog's duel doesn't make sense from a town standpoint

He only gets his cop power when he gets Energon? Why wouldn't he duel Vecna/Dram and then cop rb? Why go after rb straight away?

This sounds more like a gambit to off a strong town player

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also Toog, can you post your full flavor name?

As in the Transformer your role is named after.

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Viewfinder, Decepticon Spymaster

alright this fits with the lore.

eh.

fuck it

VOTE: Toog

your still dumb though

also rb it would be good if you would claim too.

please include your full flavor name with it too.

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rb please claim your full flavor name

especially since you already claimed your ability

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i already did, im skywarp

hmmm

according to lore Skywarp is either Decepticon (good obviously) or in Beast Wars II he's a maximal (Descendant of the autobots, bad)

I'll take a chance with rb, if he is town he'll be better than a cop at this point in the running

this is probably TvT though

VOTE: rb

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out of all those the only one I don't want you to shoot is Prof

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i actually fucked up, I should've asked rb to say whether his role said Dececpticon or Maximal before I told him which was which

still gonna go with this is TvT

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Seeker Scout also fits within the lore so yeah rb is town

this is TvT

Toog is an idiot

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scum have fakeclaims having a decent claim means nothing

this is honestly the first duel in the game I don't think was TvT

I actually have shit to do tonight so I'm letting my dog out, checking back in to see if we want to get rid of toog as fast as possible and kill someone in like 10 min, and then regardless I'm leaving until like midnight and frankly I'd rather sleep once I get home than keep up with this

so powerlynch toog or wait until tomorrow, it's gotta be basically unanimous to powerlynch with the people here, otherwise we can deal with all of this tomorrow

my TvT arguement is based on Flavor, as Viewfinder is actually a spymaster for the Decepticons in lore, and he wouldn't be a Seeker because he's not based off that body-type

you could make the arguement that if he was actually Viewfinder it might credit him as Reflector Spymaster but I don't think Spy would be that anal in naming things.

that said, my confidence is wavered by 1904 due to the throwing of unnesscary shade

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Viewfinder: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Viewfinder

Skywarp: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Skywarp

wiki pages for those who want to read up on the flavor for the two roles claimed here.

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lmfao

you fucking instaduel hours into a day and then you say

"the system really discourages scum hunting."

this lmao

but also he does have a point, and I think the system wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the reward of Energon/Scrap.

I think that might've been the source of most insta-duels.

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you and I both fucking know that won't happen

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Gamma, I'll duel all of those put Prof.

I'm not scum though.

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@Prof, I need one more piece of information from you

what is your flavor name (as in the transformer you're named after)

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in fact Gamma did you ever say what Transformer your role is named after?

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thinking about it, it would probably be benefical to town for everyone currently alive to claim flavor names.

no need to claim roles just what Transformer your role is named after.

people who refuse get shot/dueled

I'll start by saying I'm Thundercracker

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Alright, that makes sense with what you've said (you've said your a Constructicon and Long Haul is indeed that)

So with that, that makes a Town Bloc of: Me, Gooey, rb, and you.

if this is 5-2-2 then we're one person away from solving the game

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btw once we figure out who the last town is, all that needs to happen is for Gooey to shoot one and then we duel the other.

even if scum kill two town that still leaves us at 3-1-1

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(if we're lucky we can even off an entire faction resulting in 4-1)

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in fact Gamma did you ever say what Transformer your role is named after?

I'm a Dayvig and the ability name is fusion blast - it's real not hard to figure out.

I'd be perfectly fine with an unreal vs dram duel, they're just incredibly unlikely to be part of the same scum team.

So like unreal what was your opinion of spiff this game and how did it change as the game went on?

oh Megatron.

I thought Spiffeh was sus at first because he didn't seem to provide much of substance (mostly talking D1-D2), I did start to townread him in D3-D4 but still felt uneasy as he wasn't obvious town like rb or yourself.

I have no problem with dueling dram but I would rather wait until the others claim what Transformer they are (not what role they are, again).

I think we're one town player away from solving this game.

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@Vax what the fuck.

that can't be real.

town could insta-win day 1 with that

also what transformer are you even?

@Gooey, yeah I know Porkens was going to claim Scrapper (had to be Scrapper if he was going to go for the Devastator thing). I know scum have fakeclaims. Still, I think it's harder for scum to claim a flavor name instead of a role.

we could just do a regular old massclaim (not as fond) or nothing at all but we still need to find that last town.

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@rb Prof claimed to be Long Haul

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I'm thinking the last 5 town are Gooey, rb, Prof, me, and it comes down to Vecna/Creature in my mind

and yeah Vax's claim is dumb. I don't even know what kind of gambit that is.

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@Prof somewhat unrelated but I think Long Haul is neighborizer because he's noted for complaining a lot

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okay alright I get it.

so now what. do I just duel whoever or are we waiting on something

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VOTE: Neither

there's no way Vax's claim is real and Dram is equally scummy.

I would bet 20 dollars that both of them are scum on opposite teams.

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convince me your role is even real

like if that was real you could've claimed that at any point in the game and asked for a protect (and there were doc/bg's in the game even if one of them was braindead) and then won us the game.

you'll find it's hard to believe there's a magic savior of the game if you were in our position

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sidenote (this proves nothing by the way): vax are you unicron

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UNVOTE:

join rb in shadow voting at Gooey's request

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last post before the above 10:39

time of above 10:55

man I wish Dota games were that short

maybe Turbo is though idk

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*10:56

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>drow and jugg 13 deaths both

yeah that seems about right

anyways back to mafia

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@Creature Vax is dueling dram

he's also claimed a super miracle role that can kill all the scum in one night

we don't believe him

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this is kangaroo mafia at it's finest

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there's a rogue part of my mind that says Vax is actually Unicron (e.g 3rd party) but the rest of my brain says no.

I'm pretty sure this is Auto v. Dino. there is a possibility he's town but it's slim

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do we even lose if Vax/dram flips town?

if we're in the situation I think we are (5-2-2) and we neither this and one flips town and the other scum

this would leave us at 4-1-1 entering N5.

the current town bloc is me, gooey, rb, and prof. of those, rb can't fucking die apparently and gooey seems to have some sort of protection from his energon ability.

so we'll enter 2-1-1 with a dayvig and a commuter.

this also assumes scum don't shoot each other

the only way I see us losing this is if they're both town which would mean someone isn't who we thought they are

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I'm fine with massclaim sure.

we pretty much know all abilities anyways, I think the only ones unknown are mine and Vecnas.

We would be 4-2-1 entering N5 @US

I was also assuming Gamma shot a scum, sorry I forgot to mention this part

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by the way where the fuck did Vecna go

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oh right

this game is turning me into an impatient spaz.

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so wait @gooey do you want me to claim

cuz it's pretty much only me and Vecna left to claim and I'm about to head off to bed.

sorry if this posts twice I got a weird glitch where it sent me back to to the first page

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i already said I'm thundercracker (seeker merchant)

my first ability that I don't need anything for is that I'm a Bookie. I can bet on who dies (any death, NK's, duels, lynches) the next cycle. If I'm right I get scrap, which I can trade to any other player in the game.

my energon ability is a real game-changer in that i get to bet on

two

people instead of one.

do you wanna guess

how many times I've actually bet correctly

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correct.

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@Gooey, I'm up now

what do you need to ask

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d1 sub: Toog
d2 sub: forgot to select somebody
d3 sub: you
d4 sub: you again

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he was being scumread pretty heavily at the time so I had though he would get dueled/lynched.

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@Gooey I think my thought process at the time was that your protective ability was most likely 1-shot and I didn't have anybody else I thought was likely to die/be targeted

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this puts us down to 4-2-2 i think. We're even with scum. killing dram will put us at 4-2-1. worst case scenario we enter D6 at 2-2-1

last town is between is between Creature and Vax i feel.

Zito/Dram/Vecna are almost confirmed scum at this point.

hmm.

i think creature's iso is a lot more towny

but i'm more inclined to believe Vax's claim.

goddammit.

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VOTE: Neither

i'm gonna go with Creature as last town, due to him actually posting and actually trying to solve the game.

Vax has essentially copied Porkens entire strategy from the duel and claim as well as attacking a universal scumread.

a way to get rid of the other scum team and get town cred plus an energon ability.

scum can't pass that up.

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the only thing i'm sad about

is that Unicron wasn't in this game

gg all, especially rb who fooled pretty much everyone.

real talk the only thing I'm actually mad about is people trusting Porkens even when he had screwed over Ircher.

that was a scum move through and through and people should've seen that shit.

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excuse me spyrex i am optimus prime where's my plot armour

i thought Optimus Prime was infamous for dying a lot.