micro 816-II: pokemon go (open game) (gambe over)

[GirlInFreezer]

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

opens the game by making a not specific game alignment indicative reason for selecting this game, which suggests that he's trying to conceal that there is one such reason for selecting this game.

also I believe that NSG is referring to me.

[GirlInFreezer]

wait
>strong hp/defensive stats
>exploud

[GirlInFreezer]

Because there was guaranteed to be insurance against me getting N1ed.

[GirlInFreezer]

wait
>strong hp/defensive stats
>exploud

Do you play pokemon showdown? If so let's be friends

I did at one point
I still sometimes pop on to play the same team comps I used to play not knowing any of the new stuff but I don't get the same results
I peaked as 3rd on monotype ladder playing bug teams

[GirlInFreezer]

Shoshin why did you ask me why I chose this game while asking no one else why they chose this game?

[GirlInFreezer]

Also yeah, what's so locktown about Stungun's entrance?

[GirlInFreezer]

not sure whether I should townread or scumread kokichi's attempt to reach out to me

[GirlInFreezer]

what if it's profii/stungun

[GirlInFreezer]

Your face is moving slower than I'd like.

[GirlInFreezer]

GiF's actually town btw - 52 is a massive town-tell

why

and @Kokichi given that you played in team mafia, you should understand the functionality of this game, no?

[GirlInFreezer]

I'm not really following

why doesn't scum me make the same mental error regarding what your specific read was that town me did?

[GirlInFreezer]

why wouldn't you go the other way even and think that I'm deliberately misrepresenting your position on stungun?

[GirlInFreezer]

I feel pocketed by your diatribe about me not pocketing

[GirlInFreezer]

The amount of emphasis you place on scum!me trying to get you to like suggests that you're (regardless of your alignment) trying to insert your perception of scum play into my actions.
That suggests that you as scum would go out of your way to try to pocket me and being this quick to have a townread on me for the reasons you did reads as exactly that.

I want you to like me regardless of what either of our alignments are . But I also want to lynch scum and I'm thinking that's you right now. Something just feels off.

[GirlInFreezer]

+town
GIF (obvtown)
kokichi (think sliiightly more likely to come from town so far but I'll see)

NSG (less likely to take scum)
Creature (less likely to take scum)
will reassess that based on their play from here on out

nicorobin (very slightly, gut read ish?)
Aronis (maybe I shouldn't actually townread this already but meh think slightly more likely to be town. no ideah ow to rly read them tho)

that leaves

Shoshin
Stungun
Profii

and I'm independently scumreading all 3 of their play so happy with where i'm at rn

[GirlInFreezer]

if shoshin is a weak scum player they're probably town but in my experience I'm never this lucky to have town correctly reading me this early and it's usually scum pocketing.

it would be really heartwarming if she was town but that's not usually the case.

[GirlInFreezer]

Once bitten twice shy I guess? I'm not used to getting townread early as town. If you're town I'm sure I'll figure it out.

VOTE: Stungun

[GirlInFreezer]

Your townread on Nancy didn't come into play until very significantly later in the game. Your earliest townread was on TW and it was page 7 vs page 3.

[GirlInFreezer]

I dunno I'm rather mixed on Kokichi trying to decide whether this opener makes him scum or town. I think it's strongly indicative one way but I'm not sure what that is yet.

[GirlInFreezer]

I agree in general that thats where im leaning but I reserve the right to call him scum later if I feel like the openers actually scummy.

[GirlInFreezer]

Okay but why are you arguing best reaction test and methods.of better play as opposed to what it means about shoshins alignment? Do you think her making "not the best" reaction tests is meaningful?

[GirlInFreezer]

Why do you say it feels off then it's not scummy?

[GirlInFreezer]

Actually we're just friends

[GirlInFreezer]

You just said you were were townreading me.

[GirlInFreezer]

Why is that even something you talk about?

Why are you talking about who is more likely to be town among your townreads instead of looking for scum

[GirlInFreezer]

VOTE: Shoshin

sry

[GirlInFreezer]

shoshin/aronis most of the time is gg

[GirlInFreezer]

I don't want to scumread you but you're scummy

[GirlInFreezer]

Grr

[GirlInFreezer]

I didn't find Shoshin's townplay in the game of hers that I modded at all scummy

[GirlInFreezer]

Meh. I'll start dotting my is and crossing my ts before I commit to this.

VOTE: NSG

Time to post things

[GirlInFreezer]

you're just sketchy in general

biggest point in your favor is that you're lower priority to take scum than your partner

[GirlInFreezer]

If anything I was expecting her to be more assertive.

[GirlInFreezer]

One game meta I guess? You feel different, less confident, using words like probably where they were absent in the other game, your one confident read is on me who you shouldn't really confidently townread, you just feel not the same.

Why are you so sure profii would be the partner? What's with the excessive focus on Aronis? Why should you have been locktown to Stun?

[GirlInFreezer]

and just generally your thoughts on the game from labyrinth felt obviously game solving whereas these ones feel less so and you've been vague about a lot of things

[GirlInFreezer]

You're welcome to tell me why I'm wrong.

[GirlInFreezer]

VOTE: aronis

[GirlInFreezer]

Look at how I played D1 in the other game. I actually got scumread at some point for being too passive...

I'm talking about your reads and the way that you talk about them. Do you not understand why I would feel the way that I do?

[GirlInFreezer]

northsidegal- town for sure

Why?

Their second post was really towny. Only a town player would be worried about that, scum NSG would be jumping for joy in the scum PT and not posting about it in here

also a thank you would be nice considering this is the first readslist I've done in like three games

this is the reason i'm voting aronis btw, the nsg reasoning is so lazy and it's the kind of lazy read a scum would be fine doing because they know nsg isn't a real slot anyway

[GirlInFreezer]

you even having that lazy townread is scummy and again it seems something more likely to come from scum you when its regarding a slot that you can townread since its not getting lynched anyway

[GirlInFreezer]

GiF, for someone who thinks I'm scum you sure seem to jump on the same things as me quite a bit...

you don't feel like you did in labyrinth

if you are actively trying to change your playstyle to avoid being scumread, don't.

[GirlInFreezer]

i mean there are 1 posts you can locktown nsg off of

that's not one of them

[GirlInFreezer]

why is everyone so scummy this game

[GirlInFreezer]

who should I be scumreading then?

[GirlInFreezer]

I am scumreading profii

[GirlInFreezer]

I just think a lot of people are scummy

I'm feeling better about shoshin

[GirlInFreezer]

if profii's scum then FL is scum as well

[GirlInFreezer]

err I think that's against the rules.

welp.

[GirlInFreezer]

Can I rephrase that to 'Profii taking scum over FL doesn't make much sense' and keep the meaning consistent while saying stuff within the ruleset

[GirlInFreezer]

FL considers himself one of the top scum players of all time.

[GirlInFreezer]

Maybe? I believe that he would want to play scum though.

I'm going to avoid posting before Schadd_ has a chance to officially reprimand me if my post is over the lines since I could potentially be force replaced.

[GirlInFreezer]

I was officially warned but I will stay.

I'll treat you as locktown from now on because a few of your posts feel like they should be outside of your scumrange but I'm going to be damn mad if you're scum.

Outside of that I think top priority is to sort Creature/NSG because if they're both town this game should be a fairly easy win

[GirlInFreezer]

particularly wrt NSG I think there is a surprisingly strong chance that she would have wanted to try her abilities playing scum.

[GirlInFreezer]

Wait so you're saying that you have to be like other people and actually play the game and substantiate things to be townread?

That is just the worst I feel so bad for you

Boop

[GirlInFreezer]

why is everyone so scummy this game

because I can't obvtown that easily anymore and do something around that.

I was responding to this from Creature, the poster child for post once get locktowning.

[GirlInFreezer]

VOTE: Shoshin

I'll just sheep here because I trust you but we really do need to do something about NSG/Creature before we end day

[GirlInFreezer]

Err.

VOTE: Aronis

Also kind of vibing the Aronis/Profii interactions as SvS

Kokichi can be town
Shoshin can be town
GIF is town obvsly

Stungun idk he could go both ways, don't want to take a stance, have had some town vibes at certain parts but scum vibes at others.
NR who the fuck knows right now

NSG/Creature need sorting as well

and profii/aronis are both kinda scummy and have bad mutual interactions

[GirlInFreezer]

Yeah if she keeps lurking I'm CFDing her d1

[GirlInFreezer]

creature's also giving me strange vibes

repeatedly bringing up the game where he and NSG were scum together, not trying to scumhunt at all

he might be scums

[GirlInFreezer]

she knows she's going to die if she doesn't play, votes won't change much but

sure

[GirlInFreezer]

it's not anti-town of me to say that voting her will change very little. i have no problem clusterfucking her at whatever point it becomes obvious that she's scum but we're not there yet

[GirlInFreezer]

right now there's basically two universes for me

one where it's Aronis/Profii or some variant and one where it's at least 1/2 of NSG/Creature

[GirlInFreezer]

i've also considered like aronis/creature

[GirlInFreezer]

Stungun can still be scums

I don't think profii/NSG is likely

[GirlInFreezer]

Profii hasn't mentioned NSG at all

I'd have to go through his meta but generally i find that scum overmention their partners as opposed to undermention

[GirlInFreezer]

Digging Profiis recent content

[GirlInFreezer]

VOTE: creature

[GirlInFreezer]

I have mental questions about shoshins again but I'll let her prove her alignment by results

Profii I think is town now
Kokichi still townread

[GirlInFreezer]

Idk actually I kinda suck at mafia rn

[GirlInFreezer]

I don't know what to say more like

More gut feeling than anything concrete

[GirlInFreezer]

What they're saying is that if you were scum there's a lot easier ways to push you and you wouldn't bother going for supplementary details which may end up not being in favor of the narrative you're pushing

But as town you would do the meta analysis

It's not the most rigorous of thinking but it makes sense

[GirlInFreezer]

Because of something that's incredibly consistent across my towngames?

I suck at expressing myself.

Bad as in bad or bad as in scummy

[GirlInFreezer]

I am not scum and I can therefore not play to be townread, sorry

[GirlInFreezer]

When you said that thing about weird reasoning being required to sort NR that indicates that you are on at least some level aware of my past scum aptitude yet the reasons that you're townread me and retracted that townread have been incredibly insulting. I don't want to call you out for it because I could use a few easy townreads to make me stop hating mafia but you're either scum or woefully unprepared to sort me if I actually were scum and tryhards g.

[GirlInFreezer]

I don't like it because I think it underestimates me horribly in a way you ostensibly wouldn't. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

[GirlInFreezer]

VOTE: nsg

[GirlInFreezer]

VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: nsg

[GirlInFreezer]

I didn't read transformers mafia given that I was basically n0ed wrt my ability to make my reads on people matter.

I hard scumread him in transformers this game I'm unsure.

[GirlInFreezer]

Nothing in this game makes kokichi scum

I don't really agree that he's more likely to not have reads as scum

That said I'm not like locktowning him and am fine seeing how he responds to pressure since that will probably be more alignment indicative than what has happened thus far

[GirlInFreezer]

NSG why did you do this

[GirlInFreezer]

VOTE: creature

Creature doesn't post this much this early as scum, so hes likely town. Even if he isnt he will be easy to find out if hes scum

lol

[GirlInFreezer]

Nothing in this game makes creature town

[GirlInFreezer]

VOTE: nsg

Obvious scum to anyone who understands her meta.

[GirlInFreezer]

Same reason I knew she was scum in the game we played on showdown.

Hard to explain without a lot of meta comparisons

[GirlInFreezer]

I'm just gonna not do this in case it tilts NSG and makes her scream about me being scum even though I think the reactions would have been very helpful

VOTE: creature

Creature/NR maybe idk

[GirlInFreezer]

I have at least one reason to townread every other slot

[GirlInFreezer]

You post words a lot as scum

[GirlInFreezer]

NSG is scum for the following reasons.

1) As long as she was being permitted to lurk by the crowd NSG was not posting as a player with a consistent meta of lurking as scum. When pushed to post by several votes and other pressure is when she started playing the game and she immediately deflected focus to another player without answering for the lurking that she was doing. That's a scum mentality.

2) That one read was total garbage: she said that someone else was town for something that she did as scum. That's not something she would ever believe and it's indicative that she's cornered scum who is having trouble finding people to push in this game with an incredibly high standard of towny play because why would she call someone town for something that's a scumtell?

3) Immediately upon starting the game she's making excuses for mislynching people by complaining that the lobby is too hard to read.

yeah, i'm fine with kokichi being scum.

When is "i'm fine with" ever scum mentality? What she actually means is "I'm fine with pushing on Kokichi". you aren't fine with pushing on scum you push on scum because you have to.

this is a point i definitely agree on for shoshin - when i was modding mini normal 2012 people being overconfident in their reads (to town's detriment) was something i was constantly noticing and shoshin was one of those people. i'm not sure if it's AI or not on comparison because i haven't read shoshin's one scumgame (mini normal 2010) all that closely yet and on further thought i'm not sure if i should expect that much confidence this early in the game. after all, i think it was only on day 2 that i really started noticing it there. even still, it's something that i feel is at least worth bringing up.

NSG is a confident player yet in this game she's waffling all over the place and not taking concrete stances.

is this something i can townread profii off of? historically i think i'm pretty bad at reading profii so i don't think i'm really one to ask when it comes to sorting his slot but reading through i felt like having the theories was a towntell (even though that was something i got falsely townread for as scum in my first scumgame). eh.

Again, comes up with a townread but discredits the townread even as she does so to be able to have your cake with looking towny for having townreads while being able to eat it to by not defending your townreads.

that's not meant to be a personal attack on you or anything of that nature, it's just me remembering what went wrong during that game).

it was clearly a personal attack meant to antagonize shoshin and decrease her quality of play

t's possible that i'm confusing you with something else. i don't think so, but it's possible. i really don't want to have to turn this into me trying to prove to you that you were overconfident in reads in another game because that really doesn't sound pleasant for either of us.

even if my interpretation of that game is wrong, why do you instantly go to me stroking paranoia instead of me simply misremembering? i'm still not sure where the assumption of malice comes in.

Called out for a clear, strategic misrepresentation of a past game and yet she attempts to deflect it by claiming 'misremembering' of an extremely recent game that she claims to have recently read.

meh, actually i can understand where you're coming from. making those two statements next to each other, i can see how someone would interpret that as me saying that i'm townreading him for something that i once did as scum. putting it that way misrepresents the way that i'm thinking, however. i'm townreading him for something that i think might be a towntell, it's just that i'm not sure of the reliability of that towntell. that's all.

Forced to backtrack all the way when her position is completely untenable

well, after all, i did hear that he is the ultimate liar.

attempting to cast paranoia on kokichi by hyping up an otherwise unremarkable scumgame.



To all learned personnages NSG is clearly scum this game and I invite you all to join me in quicklynching her

[GirlInFreezer]

oh, I guess you're her partner then.

I'll make a case on you as well

[GirlInFreezer]

nah I'm not in a pointless instigatory mood

if she's scum this is way, way beyond anything she's ever done as scum
Going to just trust you for /reasons/
generally agree with the case on Stungun or at least that I would scumread him... more than I currently am? if he was scum?
Profii did some towny things, NSG saw it as well so I'll trust that for now

Kokichi sitll not scumreading but -maybe-

that leaves NR, Creature, Aronis

I will sort Kokichi by what he does when he's more engaged than he currently is, I think Creature is my confident scumread and his other scum is in the scumpool

[GirlInFreezer]

Like wrt you I would be townreading you rationally but I'm kind of knee jerk making myself not townread you because I don't think it would be hard for scum to play as you have been and pocket me

[GirlInFreezer]

That's not how I pocket people though, and me being pockety isn't alignment indicative.

[GirlInFreezer]

If you are town I would expect it to be very difficult for you to empathize with my suspicion of you but the quick townread on me and the general consideration are not things I've seen from town recently.

[GirlInFreezer]

I will probably never vote you this game for the record. I'm not actively scumreading you in the way that you seem to think I am. I just have doubts.

[GirlInFreezer]

She's town, I just made a case on her for fun.

[GirlInFreezer]

I'm honestly not convinced Stungun is town.

[GirlInFreezer]

mostly a bunch of phrasing tendencies that point towards scum more often than town.

[GirlInFreezer]

RC/NSG/Shoshin
Profii
Aronis/Kokichi
NR, Stungun (null)
Creature

is where I'm at rn

can I just call it a perfect record reading her minus one game including most games that she's played that I wasn't in and this being a game that wouldn't even be in question?
she just doesn't emulate her town meta effectively as scum and it always has lots of holes even if she does specific things right.
like I said the first time it would have to be way, way better than anything that she's ever even come close to for her to be scum here

[GirlInFreezer]

you were a fuckton more substantive in lynchpin.

[GirlInFreezer]

he's saying a bunch of stuff that I think is way more likely to come from town than scum and I don't really agree with most of the reasons to scumread

[GirlInFreezer]

Like that whole one of 3 people are scum lynchpool doesn't really feel likely to come from scum
His 180 on you due to the meta stuff doesn't really feel like scum even if it's objectively -bad-

I think he's just a scummy dude and my experience has shown that

[GirlInFreezer]

substantive has nothing to do with wall posts. you're more concerned with arguing about people's scumreads on you than actually producing content, you feel like you're taking scum positions rather than reacting genuinely to the thread, and I just generally dislike the way you're posting in a way that I think is alignment indicative.

[GirlInFreezer]

Like that whole one of 3 people are scum lynchpool doesn't really feel likely to come from scum

That's townish, yeah.

explain why please @gif, and not shoshin.

like, i can see how it can be interpreted as that, but want to see if your explanation to see if you have the same idea that i have here

How can you have the same idea if you're just saying that he's scum?

[GirlInFreezer]

Wait what's your creature read?

[GirlInFreezer]

then we don't actually agree on any reads

[GirlInFreezer]

I don't really townread Aronis, but I thought the 'stop being anti town and vote NSG' posts were kinda towny

[GirlInFreezer]

Aronis is also the obvious partner for creature so maybe I'd go for it

certainly happier with that than profii

I don't understand the creature townreads and I think they're intellectually lazy

[GirlInFreezer]

NSG what's your read on me?

[GirlInFreezer]

Kokichi can you produce content instead of arguing with NSG's scumread on you?

What if Profii's town tho

[GirlInFreezer]

Hey you've done Aronis meta right? Does he have this overconfident attitude regarding his pushes when he's scum pushing on people?

[GirlInFreezer]

I mean it's not typically something you see coming out of scum playstyle wise but if this aligns with how he plays as scum then yeah I'd buy it

I think creature is scum though and I don't understand why I'm unique in that viewpoint.

[GirlInFreezer]

on like the third page with a great deal of certainty about it.

[GirlInFreezer]

Can you save me a few steps and link me his last few scum games?

[GirlInFreezer]

I don't think that Nico is particularly unlikely to choose scum.

I think that Creature may have taken scum off of the boost of confidence off of his performance in Transformers and expected to be given a free walk to late game off of his username.

I can't directly talk about anything but there's other oddities involving Creature that make me think his slot is scum.

I've just noticed basically prod dodging when scum and more active when town. Not necessarily content

Well he overperformed in Transformers to at least the level he's performed here even if not spectacularly and there's other things I read Creature off of that he's not doing.

[GirlInFreezer]

here.

he endgamed in a massive game.

[GirlInFreezer]

He's capable of doing what he's done so far, I don't think that he's magically going to completely flounder because this game isn't multiball.

[GirlInFreezer]

Actually I want to add a note that I think NR is actually slightly more likely to choose scum than TW but either of them taking a scum role PM wouldn't surprise me.

[GirlInFreezer]

I also have things to read him off of that aren't literally just 'is he posting in thread' and I strongly suspect that others in this context don't putting my read as the only relevant one.

[GirlInFreezer]

I'm saying that + I'm saying that I think a few of his posts are more likely to come from scum him than town him.

[GirlInFreezer]

lol if it's NSG and I again.

like why even make this post if you're town

[GirlInFreezer]

Ok but in this case weird skews towards awkward scum. I'm also just getting generally the same vibes that I've gotten when he's been scum but most importantly like

I'm trying to figure out a way to explain this that works in the context of this game

[GirlInFreezer]

I think it's very possible that he got a large confidence boost from his win in transformers and he and ircher either got double scum or figured they could get an easy win off of the back of 'HEY CREATURE WOULD NEVER PICK SCUM'

Like I'm not saying he's literally confirmed scum I'm saying that the townreads there are inappropriate given the gamestate

[GirlInFreezer]

I need to brush up on my kokichi meta because I've had a strong feeling that I recognize his play here but I can't figure out which alignment it actually is lol

[GirlInFreezer]

I don't think that I play the same as either alignment.

[GirlInFreezer]

I'm somewhat unconvinced that these are the same alignment

[GirlInFreezer]

Like I saw what you are seeing wrt their interactions and I believe it's the first scumteam that I actually posited and at some point we should definitely lynch 1/2 of them if we don't get scum elsewhere but

I don't really urgh

[GirlInFreezer]

Aronis is not concretely fitting into either a scum or a town mold for me

Profii I still feel like is town but I could agree to have him jailkept on an aronis scumflip to deal with that

[GirlInFreezer]

Idk I don't really think he's scum
Don't really think Kokichi is scum either
Don't think Shoshin is scum
Don't think NSG is scum
Don't think Profii is scum
I know I'm not scum

Stungun/NR/Creature is the left over and all of them are decent scumreads >:]

[GirlInFreezer]

Stungun creature maaaybe?

[GirlInFreezer]

Yeah I kinda think that's it

Stungun definitely below null after final reread

NR maybe a sub in but that's where our scum is probably at

[GirlInFreezer]

This has been a damn great lobby though, first time I've enjoyed a mafia game in a while

[GirlInFreezer]

I think that in the context of creature/Stun potentially being SvS it points more towards scum!Stun than anything

you guys can lynch whoever you want D1 and I'll go along with it but if you mislynch jailkeep is on me and I'm leading tomorrow.

[GirlInFreezer]

(I don't actually think it is towny regardless of context but your mileage may vary. I do have points where I'm questioning my stungun scumread but my reasons to scumread there >>>> my reasons to townread.)

[GirlInFreezer]

VOTE: stungun0404

[GirlInFreezer]

yw for d1 gamesolve btw.

[GirlInFreezer]

you're the one OMGUSing, I've been saying that you were scum for most of this day phase

[GirlInFreezer]

you're just scum though so :shrug:

[GirlInFreezer]

your partner is gemini who was scum in a game where I was cycling votes on everyone and is therefore fully familiar with that as a playstyle from me and given that you claim to have talked to her about this read that's an implausible line of reasoning for town you to go off of.

[GirlInFreezer]

ok so I pointed out that your partner already knows that your reasoning on me is garbage and your response is to say that you didn't talk about it instead of consulting with gemini on that fact?

[GirlInFreezer]

why are you calling your supposed scumread's scumread on you 'wacky theories' and trying to argue TO ME that you're town?

And sure why the fuck wouldn't you push on me when your partner knows that I'm complete lynchbait in most lobbies this year.

[GirlInFreezer]

"GIF is scum because they're scumreading me."

[GirlInFreezer]

like his voting patterns are so clearly mislynch-favored; he’s been going where the tide’s been and pushing players at precisely the moment that would be the most opportune for a scumplayer.

I've avoided the major wagons at virtually every opportunity in favour of pushing a wagon on someone who if town is able to basically 100% clear themselves. I was pushing for Creature until now, not you even.

I've also gotten literally 0 claims.

[GirlInFreezer]

Kindly respect my 1v1 with stungun and Lynch him tomorrow if you lynch me today, otherwise I'm done playing this game.

[GirlInFreezer]

VOTE: GIF

Not defending profii for any future days and he's a fine Lynch in the small chance of townflip but stungun tomorrow

Creature has to die before endgame as well

Bye Felicias

[GirlInFreezer]

I hope anyone in that three who is town or even who is scum is glad they completely ruined this game for me.

[GirlInFreezer]

let's stop for a minute

Profii came in and voted me claiming that they did so intentionally to rile me up and get a reaction, which is pretty awful but salvageable-ish?

stungun came against me with a case that was objectively, demonstrably untrue: at no point in the game was I supporting any of the major wagons to the point that me intentionally avoiding them would have been a more sensible thing to push me on. he said that I was trying to wagon people to get the jailkeeper despite me having forced exactly zero claims. He came at me with a case based on my vote switching and claimed to have discussed his read on me with Gemini who would have known based on her experience with me in the newbie that I cycle votes as town and often get scumread for it, and who also knows generally that I avoid playing scum. when all of this was called out he continued to push me with emotional nonsequiturs that have absolutely no factual backing in what I have done this game. the iso is filled with a whole bunch of bullshit emotional statements of 'this is not rcs towngame' 'rc wouldnt do this as town' from someone who knows they don't know me worth shit.

then he has the gall to come out with

and ftr i do happen to be town, but i don’t even think you care to recognize that tbch.

and @rc, i would townread you tbf only if you’d do something in your posts that pings me as town. i don’t feel you have done that so far, meanwhile shoshin definitely has

like go [] if you're town you [] virtually every player in the game correctly recognized me as town and you've sat there making a completely empty attempt to policy lynch me for my username and tried to take the moral high ground about it. I don't want to play with this player if they're town and I want the scum dead if they're scum, my vote is on that slot and will continue to be on that slot as long as we're both alive.

I can post but I don't have anything to say. that is not acceptable from town, if it's scum who felt the need to try to mislynch me I can get over it but jfc.

[GirlInFreezer]

VOTE: stungun

will go ahead and vote here but if I get to L-1 I'm selfhammering.

[GirlInFreezer]

Stop addressing me

[GirlInFreezer]

UNVOTE:

for now will respond in the morning

[GirlInFreezer]

The only way we can work past this though is if we are both blunt with each other imo.

Stungun says very dumb things

Whether it makes him scum, eh

This comment in transformers mafia kind of made me feel insulted

let's start with the fact that you were scum in the game being referenced so your statements were dumb as in poorly scumhunting because, well, you weren't.
i really don't care if you personally insult me unless you go way over the line: I do care if you approach the game in a way that makes it unpleasant for me.

I attributed caring to meta-diving and you showed reluctance to meta-dive me. Thus, I didn't think you cared to sort me correctly here

ie I refuse to agree with you that your cherry picked meta points that point to you being town confirm you as town?
i've done my own meta work my disagreement on you that it instaconfirms you as town doesn't mean that i don't care to sort you

you know what imo does point to someone not caring to sort me when you attribute caring to metadiving?
a case based on timing pushing easy lynches when I demonstrably have not done so at any point this game.
a case based on vote switching when I do that constantly including here where even the bare minimum of effort required to consult your partner would disprove it

throwing out a bunch of shitty platitudes about what my respective games look like when you bluntly have no fucking clue what either of my games look like besides a single game meta where I replaced out because I couldn't scumhunt properly for shitty reasons and in shitty ways and surprise the lesson you learned from that, if you're town, is to do the exact same thing again

i'm also finding it super difficult to believe that gemini thought this was an appropriate way to deal with my slot given that she too has seen shitty paranoia on me basically ruin games

now you've proceeded to calling me out for trying to solve the game as a scumteam when again I did that a lot in the game with Gemini and did that even more in this game and just generally throughout my playing career making it a really bad thing to push me on

now the creature read is so lazy and just like

you say it's nothing personal but you don't wind up scumreading a universal townreads for objectively untrue reasons unless you're actually scumreading me because my identity makes you paranoid. i never said this push came out of hatred for me but the fact remains that given that the in-game reasons you gave clearly, objectively don't hold up on a level that you don't get to just say 'oh I was wrong on that.' i don't believe that you just completely misinterpreted everything that happened in the game, I do believe that you and gemini (if town) decided I was scum because of some bullshit paranoia and decided to throw whatever you thought that you could on me, and that's personal. either that or you're both completely incapable of reading the game to the point that you should probably be policy lynched if you can't tell that everything that you're saying is wrong, but I rly don't buy that explanation

so this was all really roundabout but i don't believe that you just happened to misread the entire game, I don't believe that gemini okayed town you doing what you did given she knows the stuff that I mentiond above, and if somehow that intersection of events came to pass then i'd rather delete your slot to prevent you guys from damaging the game further.

back to here.
VOTE: stungun

[GirlInFreezer]

outside of stungun

NSG needs to continue to be useful instead of have one burst of activity to be locktowned, she should also really be defending me but i'm not surprised that she isn't
shoshin still should be town, still not literally 100%

profii still not a scumread but i won't cry if yall lynch him

kokichi maybe his lack of content starts being a scumtell around now

creature still rly bad
aronis has some really bad points in the recent past
NR is bad-ish and needs to do stuff but objectively I'm unable to judge what she's done so far.

[GirlInFreezer]

meh

i honestly want to lynch stungun more out of policy than anything else

my actual pick for the scumteam is creature/profii as of right now

[GirlInFreezer]

mostly your interactions with creature and the fact that i'm kinda townreading a bunch of people, almost yourself included but less so than others

[GirlInFreezer]

like no offense creature you're obv obv obv scum so i'm basically just trying to tie ppl to you at this point

[GirlInFreezer]

aren't u tho

[GirlInFreezer]

like your reactions to me if you're town are insane
when you're town you always get all up in arms about things, this game it really feels to me like you're trying to towntell as opposed to actually being town
and both sets of interactions match up, profii barely mentions you then random votes you after the pressure on me shit happens then immediately unvotes and does other
for your part no real stance on profii and just generally when I do obnoxious stuff you get mad at me whereas this game you're trying to get townread out of it
if you're town here you should rly be doing something differently, not that i think that you are just.

[GirlInFreezer]

ok so who do you think are explicitly scum to the point that it is justifiable to ignore profii and why

[GirlInFreezer]

can you explain further this magical scumread on NSG?

How is your read on NSG influenced by the fact that I've said she's town? do you think if we rolled scum together I wouldn't just bus her for my own personal satisfaction?

[GirlInFreezer]

How is your read on NSG influenced by the fact that I've said she's town? do you think if we rolled scum together I wouldn't just bus her for my own personal satisfaction?

It isn't influenced by your read on her.

this it outright stupid given my track record reading her

You still think I'm scumreading you?

are you?

[GirlInFreezer]

how does any of this alleviate my concerns regarding creature/profii?

[GirlInFreezer]

like that's straight IIOA you know that and 'oh RC said i should tonwread nsg so i did'

when has that ever been our interactino pattern, you just blindly trusting me on reads?

[GirlInFreezer]

lol

[GirlInFreezer]

Also I don’t think GIF legit thinks we are making this game unenjoyable for him


But ok

.wouldn't have said it otherwise
Also the drop in my post rate should attest to that regardless
What's your point though

[GirlInFreezer]

maybe stungun's just scum then

or nico

[GirlInFreezer]

Theres a large part of me that wants to kingmake NSG or Shoshin and call it a day

Idk man

They're still town, still not scumreading kokichi, creature I'd making me doubt my SR there, so if stungun is town it's 2/3

Profii
Aronis
NicoRobin

[GirlInFreezer]

Kokichi could plausibly be scum ftr it's not like he's never scum

[GirlInFreezer]

Why not jk you

[GirlInFreezer]

Meh that stupid scumread on me ruined everything we has going as a town

[GirlInFreezer]

VOTE: profii

Sheeping Shoshin with the caveat that I think there's more chance of her misreading a player who plays like aronis than one who plays like profii and if they're both scum then who cares.

[GirlInFreezer]

I also agree that even though there's a few points that feel towny there's a lot more that feel awful sooo

Also lol

[GirlInFreezer]

@shoshin sheep me sheeping you please
@NSG let's lynch profii that last post was awful

Everyone else hop aboard at their leisure

I think high odds of profii/aronis but aronis might be town whereas profii is not.

[GirlInFreezer]

You can't make a case on godscum predicated on me being a shit scum player

[GirlInFreezer]

because i'm cute.

[GirlInFreezer]

wanna lynch profii with me?

[GirlInFreezer]

this town fell apart when shoshin and nsg stopped posting

[GirlInFreezer]

nico is an acceptable-ish lynch given the amount of slots I don't think are scum but I also don't have any strong feelings that it does flip scum

why not profii?

[GirlInFreezer]

I was having fun but stungun is doing my utmost to make sure that doesn't happen

I also think that he's like 4th scum equity in the game and is never getting lynched if I don't tunnel this today so probably the correct direction to go, especially when I'm not having fun while he's alive.

[GirlInFreezer]

Please stop voting elsewhere and lynch in myself/Stungun.

[GirlInFreezer]

idc about the end result of today so long as stungun gets lynched tomorrow. but this needs resolution.

[GirlInFreezer]

if you're town and saying that 'you do not think that i am all that town' then you are still acknowledging that I am towny and choosing to ignore it for whatever policy shit you're bringing into this game
you're sure enough that I'm town to trade your life on my townflip and also to be ignored when you inevitably claim jailkeeper to out the town one, be our guest.

[GirlInFreezer]

i'm voting you because your case is either the product of scum or someone with a few screws loose in your head.

[GirlInFreezer]

i'm not reading your posts anymore.

[GirlInFreezer]

just take your free win with dignity profii

[GirlInFreezer]

hardclaim not JK

just take your free win with dignity profii

[GirlInFreezer]

just take your free win with dignity profii

[GirlInFreezer]

well NSG is gamethrowing then

[GirlInFreezer]

she pointed out why profii was obvscum then made some weird comment about creature's reads to not vote them so

[GirlInFreezer]

nsg why would you think that the proper play is to be lynching my townread in kokichi right now ever?

[GirlInFreezer]

strongly? as in would I bet the game on him being town? no but I would generally expect not to be townreading him right now if he's scum

i can guarantee a profii scumflip and I can guarantee that lynching stungun puts us closer to winning regardless of his alignment

[GirlInFreezer]

profii has no reason to be NAIing my AtE and the specific manenr of it feels to me like he's trying to shut it down rather than read it, he's pushing me on very banal by the book technicalities that feel like scum pushes in the same manner as stungun but I can attest that profii is more competent than to be pushing me in that specific way whereas stungun I cannot. like the 'he wouldnt do this because its antitown therefore he is scum' is a scumclaim given what profii knows about me and given what his teammate knows about me

not a fan of his exaggerated stances on aronis and such

[GirlInFreezer]

if you're agreeing that your nullread on profii is an 'i dont know how to read this guy' null as opposed to not really scumreading can you just vote there

[GirlInFreezer]

no comment on stungun

shoshin should be town
you should be town
i'm town obviously

kokichi gives me minor gut town vibes + his play isn't really what i'd expect from scum

creature could go either way, mostly trying to read him off of associations at this point since he's not doing enough to be read
aronis could also go either way mostly because his interactions with profii are pretty bad and i'm scumreading profii

nico slightly more likely to be scum from poe

profii scummy

[GirlInFreezer]

not enthused about anyone who isn't profii because i'm fairly convinced that he's town at this point

[GirlInFreezer]

scum

[GirlInFreezer]

I can't continue to play this day phase with stungun taking potshots at me every time i come back to thread and no one playing

if we're not lynching him I just want the day over.

[GirlInFreezer]

i'd rather be lynched than have a townread lynched since we're lynching town either way and at least one way I can be out of the game

stungun has to follow though.

[GirlInFreezer]

lynch me so I don't have to play this game anymore hopefully

[GirlInFreezer]

I have a perfect example of it somewhere but I an't find it yet. When I saw it I just went "here we go again"

to be fair, RC was fighting it as town so he was a mislynch but I don't find the massive AtE helpful compared to trying to someone who tries to demonstrate what they did that was pro-town

there's an established meta that as scum I can deflect attention through skilled play whereas as town I generally just get stressed by pressure and try to get rid of my stressors
you were in a recent game that went basically exactly like this, I was a universal townread then I got a bunch of shitty scumreads then I stopped wanting to play the game anymore

and your interpretation of that is that I'm scum for doing the exact same thing I did as town in a previous game because it's "not helpful"
this game got pro-town me before you and stungun shit all over any semblance of rational play in favour of trying to push a policy lynch on me.

stungun doesn't really have experience with me so he can be scum here but you? you should know better than this play. I should by all rights be able to claim a guilty on you

i haven't gone there because even when people conspire to make the game as unpleasant for me as possible I still personally value the consistency of that claim but meh
I don't really want to play this game without GIF and he hasn't had much time to play mafia because of RL reasons so I just want out now

[GirlInFreezer]

like stungun is blacklisted regardless of alignment. you're blacklisted if you're town. aronis I'll avoid if he's town but meh

NSG I'll stop expecting to lift a finger to defend me but I guess that wasn't a realistic expectation ever

[GirlInFreezer]

any other player on this site when people push them for stuff this fucking stupid the slot that does it gets assumed to be scum pushing a mislynch and lynched.

stungun's case on me? 100% wrong and most of it described the exact opposite of what my play was this game. not only did it not get them lynched, several people ended up sheeping them.

your case on me? nonexistent besides descriptions of my actions which as it happens also describe literally the exact sequence of events in a game where I was town but you've chosen to scumread instead of townread it because... (assuming that the answer is that you're scum because our last game didn't give me the impression that you're this bad.)

Aronis is just being dumb and maybe that's the scum but the way people are playing aronis can never be the lynch today. neither can nico. neither can creature

so if you lot are town and they're scum thanks for completely shitting up the thread to the point that scum basically get a free day phase and I'm glad I'll never have to deal with it again.