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U wut m8???In post 21, Almost50 wrote:
Fight me!In post 10, Eragon wrote:Also I claim watchacker
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I can see where you are going w/this post but Pr/Cit hunting always helps mafia.In post 42, Inferno390 wrote:@Manatee:
So it’s like this:
BuJaber asked for setup spec for this game.
The only thing that I can think of that would prompt that sort of request is if he could not remember what the setup was.
Scum and PRs, would have no reason to not know this due to their role PMs. Well, maybe not PRs, but definitely scum.
So unless BuJaber is the type of scum who would ask for setup spec for town cred, which is extremely convulted logic that I don’t expect anyone to have, he’s most likely town.
@BuJaber: My post is not nearly bad enough to garner a scum read by itself. The fact that Egg is apparently now scumreading me for it is incredibly scummy.
A50 pushing my lynch simply because I’m the best wagon is super sus. How about some real reads rather than some postured sheeping?
>votesIn post 44, ManateeDude wrote:
VOTE: InfernoIn post 39, Egg wrote:
Do you not have any scum reads yet? If not, why no vote on Inferno?In post 38, ManateeDude wrote:
I was reffering to you making guesses on roles. Thats almost always proscum behavior, I'm not gonna push you for it tho.In post 33, Inferno390 wrote:Because I find it’s a good way to get out of RVS. Helps me judge interactions and gather info. It hasn’t failed me yet, and I doubt it will start now.
Egg is scum now btw.
VOTE: Egg
Im psure this behavilr comes from villa, but some pressure is always good
>says "p.sure this is villa"
If you think someone is villa then why pressure them?
1. you think someone is scared of getting quicklynched barely into D1??In post 45, Almost50 wrote:
This phrase is more sus than anything in this thread, and especially so since you're not new and know fully well that an early wagon is alwaysIn post 42, Inferno390 wrote:A50 pushing my lynch simply because I’m the best wagon is super sus.goodand rarely ever leads to a lynch.
That said, you assessment of BuJaber could've sounded Townie to me,exceptif you really are scum and are afraid to you might get lynched before you convey your thoughts to your p.
The way you initially phrased it was "he's a VT", before you backtracked to state he's unlikely scum but could indeed be a TPR. See where the contradiction is? You didn't say he's likely Town or likely not scum in your initial statement, but only after having been pressured did you revert to that.
So, rather than a pressure wagon to get us of RVS I', considering yours a serious wagon now and my vote is now for real.
2. he said "Bujaber is probs VT" and then said "not scum but maybe PR/VT"probablymakes a big difference
I think you are over-exxagerating it a bit, it could just be a misunderstanding, and calling a mis-conception scummy is scummyIn post 50, Inferno390 wrote:Ah, but you see
While it is true that “BuJ is likely Town” DOES NOT mean “BuJ is likely VT”
“BuJ is likely VT” DOES mean “BuJ is likely town”
Those are not two interchangeable points.
You are taking my posts and and attacking me with the former, when it should be clear that my line of thought is firmly in the latter. The only reason for this nonexistent “backtracking” that you think you have found is because I am accounting for the fact that there is a slim possibility for BuJ!PR, though it should be clear that I find it highly unlikely from my posts.
You are crafting your words to display my posts in the worst possible light. This is highly scummy behavior.
these are both true, and while PR hunting normally helps the wolves, sometimes its good for town to have an idea later game on whats what and if any claims are BSIn post 52, Almost50 wrote:
OK, let's consider the possibility that you really are Town and my point is flying right over your head, so let me ask you this:In post 50, Inferno390 wrote:Ah, but you see
While it is true that “BuJ is likely Town” DOES NOT mean “BuJ is likely VT”
“BuJ is likely VT” DOES mean “BuJ is likely town”
Those are not two interchangeable points.
1- What is your duty as a town player? Is it finding out who's town and who's scum or is it finding out who's a PR and who's not?
2- Now what is the scum duty? Is it finding out who's town and who's not or is it finding out who's a PR or who's not?
If you know the answers to both these questions (and I'm sure you do now) I don't see my original point alluding you anymore.
Now what did you say? You specified the ROLE. What is a Townie's main concern? It's the ALIGNMENT. Whose concern is it to find PRs? SCUM. Clear? I believe it should be.
again overexxageration and an OMGUSIn post 53, Inferno390 wrote:Ys, it is very clear that you are trying to paint me as scum for something that is not actually that scummy.
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CRAP I USED WRONG SPOILER TAG
@Host do you mind fixing it? Thanks :3
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also this in relation to their vote saying "pressure is always good"In post 38, ManateeDude wrote:
I was reffering to you making guesses on roles. Thats almost always proscum behavior, I'm not gonna push you for it tho.In post 33, Inferno390 wrote:Because I find it’s a good way to get out of RVS. Helps me judge interactions and gather info. It hasn’t failed me yet, and I doubt it will start now.
Egg is scum now btw.
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sorry about he post ;_;In post 58, GameNBurger wrote:okay we're at the present day now
I really hope inferno is scum because its going to be a pain playing with him if he's town
Oof that Eragon post is a pain to read
His post I mostly agree with but i EXTREMELY disagree with his reasoning that PR hunting is helpful for town, It something every player should be doing in their heads but there is just no benefit to town that doesn't far more benefit scum to publicly PR hunt in any way
Alright unless I get ninja'd i'm all caught up
All things considered I'm willing to L-1 Inferno based on what we've got from him but I'd like to hear more from Fromage and Poseidon first before anyone even thinks about the word hammer, I personally always feel uneasy with fast lynches Day 1
Only other thing I'd note as super suspicious is Manatee's initial non committal feelings to vote Inferno followed by a near immediate flip when someone asks him about it
If Inferno is scum it screams soft bussing attempts gone wrong
If anyone has questions I'm all ears
also, about the bolded part
"these are both true, and while PR huntingnormally helps the wolves,sometimesits good for town to have anidealater game on whats what and if any claims are BS"
We shouldn't even be thinking of L-1 right now either...
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In post 30, Inferno390 wrote:Haha, time for discussion generation!
BuJaber is prob a VT.
Post 25 is weird enough to garner some sus.
GameNBurgers lack of appearance is interesting, but NAI due to no daytalk.In post 25, ManateeDude wrote:
:Woke:In post 23, BuJaber wrote:
So what happened to the 3rd PM?In post 21, Almost50 wrote:
Fight me!In post 10, Eragon wrote:Also I claim watchacker
I rolled Watcher, Tracker & VT all in one. I even got my role PM twice
I just noticed this... Inferno said that "post 25 is weird enough to gather some sus"
what was post 25? was it a meme, was it a wall, was it a vote, was It an accusation? What was It exactly?? hmmm... idk, the four letters of the amazingly suspicious word...
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and how, may I ask you, make this garner suspicion.
Tinfoil: I feel this could be distancing between manatee/inferno scumteam- Eragon
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Inferno could be pocketing us...
I was thinking that but about him saying “your points are strong, have a TR” but I wasn’t sure if I was just pulling a stupid
Also he could be false associating with you, there are a few players on my homesite that when they flip scum they WK town members for the cred and bad associations.
So are you calling A50 mechanical? And is that the towny, scummy, or neither?? Just asking to see your pinion on A50
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let me break some things down for you.In post 85, Fromage wrote:A lot of Eragon's posts contain only fluff. (35, 60, 62) I don't like it. VOTE: Eragon
FOS: Inferno. I don't like how much time he spends defending himself and how little scumhunting he does.
1)Fluff is normally NAI, unless thats almost all they are doing the whole game
2)Fluff is especially NAI when its explaining something previous, like my post about "Sorry my post is a pain to read..." was explaining the stuff.
3)cherrypicking the fluff over content and voting for that is slightly wolfy, but could be just ignorant play.
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Unclear yet. I can't determine his intentions based on just this because like I said it is NAI. When he posts more and we get an idea what his motivation is we'll know if it's genuine or not.In post 79, Eragon wrote:So are you calling A50 mechanical? And is that the towny, scummy, or neither?? Just asking to see your pinion on A50
I like the idea behind the post, "It looks like town, who sees bad logic and calls it out, but could be towncred grab."In post 90, Egg wrote:
Basically. It's the way he's handled inferno in general. Just all out attacking the idea. Going after the guy who is calling him confirmed town. It looks like town who sees bad logic and is calling it out. That said, he's voting manatee over inferno so it's not like he's doing anything that would remove inferno from the game, making it a relatively safe town cred play for scum. That's why he's not my strongest town read. It's enough that I don't want to Lynch him today though. You voted Eragon for fluff posting. What do you think of his content posts? Why does the fluff outweigh those?In post 84, Fromage wrote:
Why don't you tell us why you think BuJaber is town? Is it because he doesn't want to get townread for asking about the setup?In post 83, Egg wrote:I think BuJaber is town, but it's not because he reminded the Mod something was missing in the OP.
seems a little bit fencesitty but in a situation like that not much you can do.
appealing to the other people about A50's push on him.In post 93, Inferno390 wrote:See, this is where I know A50 is doing a misrep. Because I’m not trying to convince him that VT is interchangeable with likely. What I’m trying to convince him of is that VT means, by extension, likely town. I have not at one point said that likely town means VT. In fact, I have been arguing against it. To say otherwise is twisting my words around to fit the worst possible scenario. Classic straw man.
he thinks that he can't get a50 to stop pushing him, so he talks to the other people and gives his explanation about everything and is hoping to be understood and TR'd by other people.
I dont like his absolute focus on defending himself about the "likely town /=/ VT" stuff and his shade on A50 for mis-understanding
like as in 'sarcastic' "like" or like as in "like"?In post 94, Fromage wrote:The content posts are okay. Sometimes Eragon repeats stuff others have said before him. I like how he called inferno "over-exxagerating" (54) and how he doesn't want to have people at L-1 this early (61).
he counts the votes here, and says he did.In post 96, GameNBurger wrote:Oh yeah egg only played a scum game with me
Manatee I don't think you're very much perceived as a strong town read, so I'm questioning why minimal effort posts sound like a good idea coming from you
I'd like to see more out of poseidon but honestly I guess its really hard to say anything else than whats been said already
Unless you're Fromage that is, to which its a perfect time to spout shady as F criticisms while showing halfhearted support for most popular wagon
Okay maybe its not that suspicious, especially after he clarified but it still seems cherry picky, especially when one of those posts is a legitimate question from a newer member
I think Inferno is flailing even harder
Okay let me go back and count the votes
Wait for later for more on this.
parts of this are towny, parts are scummyIn post 97, GameNBurger wrote:As for my current thoughts on which person I find scummier, I think I'd be willing to go full in on manatee being scum if Inferno is scum
Although then again his non commitment then turnaround for his inferno vote feels weird regardless
I guess there's only a few scenarios:
1. Both are Scum: Either manatee wanted to soft bus but was called out on it and flip flopped or they were trying to offer inferno soft advice during the day as a scum partner
2. Inferno is Scum, Manatee is Town: It would have to be nerves or some kind of play-style that involves not explaining himself (manatee I mean). I personally detest this play-style. I'll have to check into Manatee's other games to see if he's just like this
3. Inferno Town, Manatee Scum: Why??????????? I don't see manatee's response as something natural, hesitance to vote while also saying behavior is scummy just doesn't add up to me, In this situation i feel like scum would just keep quiet and let town roll itself, not voting on a wagon that hasn't fully formed yet doesn't earn you any points so this situation is either motivated by stupid or is unlikely
4. Both are town: we all lose here. Maximum idiot has been reached. Inferno is just being bad and manatee is letting themselves burn right next to Inferno
I'd like to think and hope 1 is the most likely scenario, but I really need to look into Manatee to see if 2 is a possibility
However, I think Its more solid that Inferno is Scum, so thats where I'm at right now. I'll be back after I do some stuff and look into manatee
Towny-
>looking at every angle
> thought through and just towny thoughts on it
Scummy-
>"I'd like to think and hope 1 is the most likely scenario,"
pings me because "Iwantthem to both be scum" sounds like something a wolf says that lets them push someone but back off later.
LOL.In post 99, Inferno390 wrote:@Fromage: No, Egg has had good posts since the initial exchange, and his posts read as natural and scumhunting. I’m leaning town for him.
GameNBurger is making me lol. Not only do I know that I am comfortably within my Town meta in terms of weird play, the fact that he’s 1) making associations this early and 2) lockscureading me for play that is not actually that bad and then using it to build a case around Manatee is terrible and not something I can see coming from town.
here is another OMGUS
associations are VERY possible this early.
(in a game on my homesite, manatee and I were scum together, and manatee's RvS vote was "O crap, rolled scum, time to bus /vote Eragon")
and no one looked at it twice because it was RvS
who said he was "lock scum reading you"
and again over-exaggeration and defensiveness off-puts me and makes me still think you are scum.
tinfoil: "using it to build a case around manatee is terrible"
> WTF how did you already find both of us as scum, now I need to disprove your read by saying its terrible
*tinfoil only*
lol. a tiny reason to OMGUS someone.In post 100, Inferno390 wrote:Oho
Burger has scumslipped in an attempt to get rid of me
He doesn’t know that the only scumgame I’ve ever played is one of the marathon games from last month. (A fact that both drives me crazy and I am very proud of because it gives me very good townmeta)
I have never been scumpartners with Manatee, not have I been partners with anyone else in the regular style of game.
VOTE: Burger
Join me, brothers. I have found the true scum!
town wouldn't say the person scum slipped and then OMGUS them.
Town would correct them and just think it was a mis-understanding.
this post almost never comes from town.
why is inferno lynchbait and not scum?In post 103, BuJaber wrote:Conflicted about burger. On the one hand it does seem like he's jumping to conclusions based on little evidence but that's slso a whole lot of effort just to build a case on inferno who is lynchbait frankly.
>keep this in mind as well as what I said earlier about Burger counting the votesIn post 105, Almost50 wrote:@Burger: So you think Inferno is scum? If so, what's keeping you from voting him?
shades A50, and again, scum reading someone for a mistake is -evIn post 108, Inferno390 wrote:Guys
Just realized A50 is hunting for the PRs.
@Egg: because GameNBurger is using a non-existent scumteam pairing from a previous game to try and make it look like Manatee and I have experience playing with each imo. We don’t. This is a case of Lynch All Liars.
Fuck as I was reading this I saw that burger actually did announce L-1. make it bigger next time please, or not stuck inside a big postIn post 110, GameNBurger wrote:I really wanted him to adress me more directly and see how he responds to the pressure before turning up the heat with an L-1
His response was super bad and has stayed constant to his behavior this game
HOWEVER
He is right that I screwed up reading the 1868 game, the mod used red text for replaced players in that game and inferno was replaced
Inferno was not scum but manatee was, I didn’t look deep into the game since manatee replaced out relatively easily
So I am very sorry about that and that’s my bad but it doesn’t contribute or take away anything from my reads on inferno since it was null anyways
Someone sell me on the case of manatee being a safer bet than inferno for lynch
I know out there is the possibility inferno being just a bad player flailing badly but I feel like this bad play is bad scumplay rather than bad town play
Manatee makes me uncomfortable with his posts and is definitely my number 2 but I could still chop it up to mindlessness and playstyle more than I could chop up Infernos action to bad town play
Anyways my vote stands with inferno unless I feel like suddenly manatee is a safer bet
VOTE: inferno
I’m out and about but I’ll take any questions, it just might take a while for me to respond
>ignore the stuff I said earlier about counting votes, but still the voting question from a50
says he can chalk up manatee to play style but not Inferno to play style?
that "woah stop" feels forced to me.
I agree he has mostly been reactionary and OMGUS'ing people that vote/Sr him.In post 114, GameNBurger wrote:I think your reactions are entirely reactionary rather than logical jumps or any sort of serious thought
You don’t have coherent scumreads but OMGUS anyone that seems to seriously hold an accusation against you
I read this as panicky flailing rather than believe your bad enough (read: delusional) to seriously beleive all of the people you think are scum are still scum, so you read more reactionary rather than someone who has a coherent idea of what’s going on
That being said:
Your reaction to my mistake was justified, I think it’s reachy since I read the entire game as null to anything and dimssed it but I do understand your response there
I dont really like the part about "bad enough to seriously believe everyone pushing you is scum"
because, while, of course, not everyone will be scum, but if Inferno truly is town, then there will definitely have been scum pushing him
then why did you vote me if you dont SR me???In post 115, Fromage wrote:
Careful. I didn't say Eragon's fluff outweighs his content. I said I don't like his fluff. I'm not even sure if I scumread him.In post 101, Egg wrote:Fromage, why does eragons fluff outweigh his content?
AtE right here. and over-defensiveness/exaggeration YET AGAIN.In post 121, Inferno390 wrote:
So your entire read on me is an Attack on Playstyle then.In post 114, GameNBurger wrote:I think your reactions are entirely reactionary rather than logical jumps or any sort of serious thought
You don’t have coherent scumreads but OMGUS anyone that seems to seriously hold an accusation against you
I read this as panicky flailing rather than believe your bad enough (read: delusional) to seriously beleive all of the people you think are scum are still scum, so you read more reactionary rather than someone who has a coherent idea of what’s going on
That being said:
Your reaction to my mistake was justified, I think it’s reachy since I read the entire game as null to anything and dimssed it but I do understand your response there
I see how it is.
I also have only seriously stated three people are scum and redacted one of those reads, so to call into question my reads like you just did is ridiculous.
he didnt call into question your READS.
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In post 127, Almost50 wrote:I mean, seriously.. this is a 9-players setup. How many chances to nail a TPR can scum afford to miss?
interesting thought process here,In post 122, Almost50 wrote:
This isn't just "optimal", it's a rule (unless they really really don't know how to play the game).In post 119, Fromage wrote:Iirc, you said yourself that discussing PRs is anti-town. I agree and think the same applies to discussing optimal scum tactics. Do you disagree?
But the reason I said that is to alert theTPRsthat's what's gonna happen, so if we get a PR claim theydo not CC(and if they flip overnight we will know whom to lynch anyway). The TPR will now take that claim and avoid targeting that person becasie they know this is the scum that is IMMUNE to their action.
With some luck the TPR may catch the OTHER scum overnight and then they can claim on D2 leading to a town win with 2 successive lynches.
the problem is, now that you threw this thought out there, scum will likely not do it to WIFOM the hell out of us.
I like the thought process and think its towny tho
this is just pure shade on A50, saying that he wants to be able to mis-lynch TPRIn post 124, Inferno390 wrote:Okay
And on the off chance we actually are running up the given TPR?
See, this looks like an attempt to throw WIFOM into any claim we get off the lynch. We get a PR claim and no CC, and then scum intentionally leaves the PR alive to throw confusion into town and perhaps grab a mislynch.
Also reads like an excuse to run up people to get claims.
honestly it doesn't matter if TPR is lynched or not,(will explain) but lynching the TPR throws more sus on scum than a cit Lynch, so that is a 1 for 1 trade, which is actually helpful to town.
(explained) So we have 2 TI and 5 VT, so no TP's.
If a TPR claims, they will OBVIOUSLY claim their real role, and this means that scum uses the opposite immune goon to kill that TPR, and nothing will happen with night actions. So a TPR Lynch is decidedly worse than NK.
also I dont see how this is an excuse to get claims ???
YEEE :3In post 126, Almost50 wrote:
Let them do that and I'll be happier than a kitten sucking on her mama's nipple.In post 124, Inferno390 wrote:and then scum intentionally leaves the PR alive to throw confusion into town- Eragon
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Oh lol.In post 141, BuJaber wrote:In post 133, BuJaber wrote:@Inferno - my statement is missing the words 'as town'. Inferno is lynchbait as town. He could be scum. But honestly as unhelpful as his posting has been (mainly defending himself) gun to my head I'd say he's town here. He feels attacked and spends all his time and effort defending himself. I'm not adept at reading someone like him because he's the type that makes it really difficult to townread. He distracts himself and distracts everyone and gets emotional.
Now granted I haven't seem his scum game but given that happens with him as town you have to really try and gauge his overall tone/motivations.
For example earlier I thought he was maybe buddying me. But considering he is attacking pretty much anyone who critiques or votes for him, there doesn't seem to be any interest in making friends. Unless he really thinks that if he convinces me he's town that I alone can change everyone's mind. That would be hilariously wrong as I'm rarely a town leader in any game, let alone in a playerbase that includes A50 and a few 5+ year veterans. So if it's not buddying then does that line of thinking and bad logic regarding my question to the mod make sense from scum pov? I don't really think so. Scum would be more self-conscious about using bad logic like that.
This is @Eragon not @Inferno if not clear. Sorry
Ok I can understand your reasoning here. But technIcally the same can be said for most people.
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1. OkIn post 142, Fromage wrote:
like without sarcasm. I think these are positive contributions to town.In post 128, Eragon wrote:like as in 'sarcastic' "like" or like as in "like"?
Maybe these associations are possible but imho they aren't very useful. Basing your read of a player on another player who hasn't flipped yet is very speculative. (This might be different in Lylo)In post 128, Eragon wrote:associations are VERY possible this early.
Are you saying Inferno is almost certainly scum? He exagerates and OMGUS all the time. (At least in this game. I want to take a look at his other games later).In post 128, Eragon wrote:this post almost never comes from town.
Because I wanted you to stop fluffposting and I didn't scumread anyone else either.In post 128, Eragon wrote:then why did you vote me if you dont SR me???
2. I'm not saying they are very helpful, I'm saying that (Inferno I think) when he said that associations can't be used D1 that he was wrong and that associations can be found/used D1
3. I'm pretty confident in scum!inferno. And the post, from my point of view, never comes from town. I could be wrong of course, so I'm still open, but I don't think town!inferno is a possible thing.
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@A50 do you mind unvoting
I don’t like someone just sitting at L-1, becuase scum can quickhammer if they want(bad idea, but still)
You are also the one I trust most on the wagon, so I am comfortable leaving you with a vote
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I think its because on my homesite everything happens at L-2, thats when people claim, thats where the basis is, putting someone to L-1 is basically like lynching someone.In post 166, BuJaber wrote:I'm not so sure Eragon is town anymore. The quickhammer talk reads fake to me. Got my eye on you.
Manatee got significant pressure early on (first to L-2 I think) and still doesn't seem interested in posting more/ posting anything useful.
You realize his entire ISO is pretty much going back and forth on inferno?- Eragon
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Wait burger = A50?In post 180, GameNBurger wrote:
So to explain my thought process I'm just gonna confirm: Fromage is null, poseidon is scum lean, Inferno/Manatee/Game is scumIn post 176, Almost50 wrote: Mine is:
{Egg, Eragon}
{BuJaBer}
{Fromage}
{poseidon}
{Inferno, Manatee, GameNBurger}
Since scum is only 2, It's really easy to write up detailed thoughts or arguments on pairings even if you influde your null read on fromage
Theres only 10 pairings:
Inferno/fromage
Inferno/poseidon
Inferno/Manatee
Inferno/Game
Fromage/poseidon
Fromage/manatee
Fromage/Game
Poseidon/manatee
Poseidon/Game
Manatee/Game
Now while I know its a lot to ask you to write your thoughts on all of those pairings, I would appreciate if you did
However I also understand if youd rather play with your notes entirely to the belt, I'd disagree with the strategy but I'd understand that some just play that way
But seeing we have 11 days and we have 3 tied wagons I don't see a reason why to not ask
I think I might do a series of posts detailing all the possible inferno Scum teams, and if we don't have enough to discuss past that then do other possible pairings with all players
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and yes I understand that, but its just a habit ingrained from homesite. It may stem from the fact we have 15-21p on average, and shorter days(only about 4-5 RL days) that makes it a bigger difference to stop someone from accidentally hammering because they aren't sure how many people are on wagon and stuff like that.In post 175, BuJaber wrote:But the difference that 1 vote makes is huge.
A hammer is final.
The player dies. The day ends. The night begins. It has serious repercussions. It changes the town:scum ratio. It cannot be missed. It doesn't get ignored.
L-1 while serious, is in the end a vote that can be unvoted, even if it's the vote that puts a wagon right on the edge. In fact, in many cases L-1 triggers scum to unvote from the wagon for whatever reason that is applicable to the game they're in.
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LOL.In post 178, Inferno390 wrote:Just read up, and I am refusing to claim this early in the day, mostly because I think I was run up as a cover for PR hunting. So I will leave scum in WIFOM on whether I am a PR or not with this post.
#154 is weak. If so was going to self hammer, I would have done it already, and no way my partner comes in to hammer and reveal himself.
Also don’t like 158, this again reads like PR hunting. There is this thing called pressuring to determine alignment, A50.
GameNBurger is still just throwing AoP my way, so I’m officially ignoring anything he says about me for now. He can come back with a real read. Also way too concerned with how his vote looks imo.
Scum is somewhere in {A50, Eragon, GameNBurger}. This is where my lynchpool is until further notice (I.e.: scum reveals itself somewhere else)
you think you were run-up because of PR hunting???
Not so, if there was no other choice, you would self-hammer to stop people from getting the hammer-cred and denying discussion.
but as ive said, we have 11 days left, and that is time enough that someone might be able to get the wagon off.
Plus a D1 scum Lynch hurts scum immensely, making it 6 v 1 D2 and likely 2 TPR's.
He thinks he knows your alignment based upon the pressure, but he wants a claim.
How is your lynchpool only people that have pressured you?- Eragon
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oh lol.In post 183, GameNBurger wrote:@Eragon
I don't think I did, I simply explained how i read them to clarify any potential confusion with how i got my list of potential pairings that a50 was suggesting. As it turns out, I did make a wrong reading of his reads, as he corrected me that poseidon was his completely null read.
Back to working on my larger post.
I thought You alt-slipped or smth because it looked like you were explaining something that A50 wrote as GameNBurger, but I probably just mis-interpreted it.
clarification please, do you mind meld fully with A50 here and are treating those reads as your own?- Eragon
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First, I know you wouldn’t self hammer as town.
The question is, would you as scum?
I think the answer to that is no, because you can’t be 100% positive your being lynched, so you would rather defend yourself and get off the block, as you’ve been doing instead of scumhuntimg.
You entirely mis-read my post of you thought I was saying your town.
Second, people who pressure you are in your lynchpool.
People in your lynchpool are pressuring you?
I don’t think it works that way, especially as the were pressuring you before you got the reads.
Plus you never have explanations until this last post on your burger read, but where did mine come from?
You had my at town earlier, so what happened in between? I pushed you and manatee- Eragon
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>local village man puts himself as top town in reads list.In post 188, GameNBurger wrote:{Eragon, Me}
{Buj, A50}
{fromagw, egg}
{Inferno}
That’s town, town lean, null, scum
AND POSEIDON AND MANATEE NEED TO JOIN IN SUDDENLY AND CATCH UP OR REPLACE OUT
they’re screwing up my reads, I feel like I’m playing Yahtzee with a deck of 47 cards
jokes aside, can you explain if Fromage is a Towny/scummy-not-sure-which null read or just I haven't seen anything AI from him.
also, if you had to say a second scum, who would it be?
1) he is confident in your scum flip, so he is looking for your partner. While I dont necessarily agree with that PoV, I can see where it comes from, and dont think its scummy.In post 189, Inferno390 wrote:These last few GameNBurger posts have me even more sus of him (if that’s even possible). The fact that his entire pairing list is pairing me with other players is bad for a few reasons: 1) By looking at everything as “Inferno’s scum, who’s his partner,” it allows him to look like he’s hunting for scum when in reality he’s just calling me scum and seeing who else he can pin me with. 2) By trying to pair me with every other player in the game, it’s obvious that he’s keeping his options open. 3) Lockscumming me means that he's just calling anything that anyone else is doing in interaction with me scummy to see what sticks. He’s not actually analyzing anyone on their own merit to see if they are scum or not. Also, where did that soft scumread on BuJ come from? It feels less me it was pulled out of a hat.
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2) no, because he explained each pairing in detail and gave yes/no reasons for each one, so if he all of a sudden says a pairing(for simple purposes lets say You/me) And calls me scum with you, hes gonna be instantly hounded because he called us one of the most unlikely pairings, so hes not really 'leaving his options open' and more 'thinking out loud' which is a perfectly viable strategy.
3) Lockscumming you /=/ calling everyone that interacts with you scum.
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>Pings me as scum to high hell as forced and just general wolfiness.
"where did that soft scumread on buJ come from?"
> Where did that fake shade of GameNburger come from?
Earlier in the game Inferno got annoyed and called multiple people out for lying(A50 about the meaning and Burger about the games), then comes out here with a blatant lie saying that Burger SR's buJ, which is not the case because Burger town reads BuJ, if you look at his read-list.
I dont think many people are really SR'ing you, its more just Null-but-really-annoyed-that-he's-only-posted-a-few-times type of thing.In post 196, Poseidon wrote:Can’t quote easy with phone, but I would think for Inferno, a claim would be beneficial to lessen the L-2, otherwise you just read as even more scum. Which is why I stand by my vote doubly.
May I ask why I’m a scum read? Or did I miss a point.
I do agree here, it all banks on a Scum!inferno, and if Inferno doesn't flip scum, its all worthless, but also, like I said, "thinking out loud" to me is actually kinda towny, because it shows their progression(something that I like to see) and also shows that they are thinking through the game and helps us understand their thought process. (I use 'understand' loosely lol)In post 197, BuJaber wrote:I'd actually be very impressed if burger flips scum after all that.
Though I don't understand his approach and I think a lot of what he's doing is based on circumstantial evidence and could all be a waste of time.
There's no harm in thinking about possible associations a little to help you sort people, but making a whole entire list based on someome being scum that hasn't flipped yet seems like an exercise in futility.
Just highly unlikely that this comes from scum tbh.
number= paragraphIn post 198, GameNBurger wrote:
It’s more that I like to play with my thoughts entirely on the table and studied game theory in college so I’ve been trained at breaking problems into a list of all possible outcomes to startIn post 197, BuJaber wrote:I'd actually be very impressed if burger flips scum after all that.
Though I don't understand his approach and I think a lot of what he's doing is based on circumstantial evidence and could all be a waste of time.
There's no harm in thinking about possible associations a little to help you sort people, but making a whole entire list based on someome being scum that hasn't flipped yet seems like an exercise in futility.
Just highly unlikely that this comes from scum tbh.
As I made an offhand mention before I made the list I plan on doing this for all players combos possible, I simply started with inferno since I’m really convinced he’s scum and it’s just most efficient to start with him first. Give the game will probably not be in full swing until Sunday again (unlesss manatee is replaced super fast) I should have the time to organize it all,
As for why? Scum game can sometimes be made easy by sitting back and letting the town pigeonhole themselves and get stuck in a corner, the idea is that scum want to be left in the shadows of sweetness, where the town is calling other town on bad and start voting eachother while scum just try to not be stupid. This isn’t always how it goes but it can be very dangerous to not have a handle on everything that’s going on.
Since there’s 2 scum and 7 town it’s not too Herculean of a task to list off all the possible combinations and build cases for each one, while it isn’t actively making an argument for one shorthand goal (who to vote out today) I think it has its merits for organizing what may be (Atleast for me) an insurmountable amount of info into an accessible and comprehensive list. While initially tedious, tomorrow there will be two less players (and most likely one less scum) which will make the process far shorter on my end.
I will admit it’s rare that I can do this sort of process in a timely manner in day 1, as the small size of the overall player count and scum team is what makes this all manageable, but i figure since it’s all past info and speculation there’s no harm to town or benefit to scum from having open notes like that
1) yeeee
2)ok cool
3)im not sure if making all the combinations help with this exactly, but I like the overall part.
4)no comment
5)agreed, notes be good. and helpful.
same format as aboveIn post 199, BuJaber wrote:Fine
But the point is when someone flips town you know they definitely don't have any partners. When someone flips scum you know that you only need to study pairings that include them.
Doing this before any flips is just an insane amount of extra work that will likely cause you to read subtext that doesn't exist or something and then in the end once we get a flip or two most of the listings would become irrelevant.
What I usually do is if I see a post that someone makes about someone or a conversation between two people or some weird case on someone I talk about specific reasons why that action probably means that x and y are not partners or that x is scum if y flips scum or similar specifix pairings based on a specific set of actions.
Like take this game for example. Inferno and A50. Very very very unlikely that they are scum partners. So if one flips scum the other is cleared more or less. Any associative that you may perceive that isn't very strong that you are not sure about if it means they are partners or not isn't worth thinking about imo. Just focus on ones that are really obvious.
The other issue is that a lot of the time an associative read might indicate a one-way relationship but not necessarily the inverse. Meaning say you read a post by player x and you think "okay player x is scum if player y flips town" you might have solid reasoning to believe that but just because this might be true would not mean that "if player y flips scum player x is town". So the associative read only gives you info for one scenario but not another. So it might be unhelpful to mention it until player y actually flips. Because if y doeant die or if x dies first you will have nothing.
I hope that makes sense
1) well yea, but it makes it easier to do it when you have time rather then after flips. so while its a lot of work, it also helps.
2) agreed
3)this is what I do mostly, but to each their own is what I say.
4) I agree with this too, and it works fairly well for me. but if Burger has a play style that is different, who am I to deny it?
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>That page-get tho
Inferno390
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Fromage
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(ManateeDude) is being replaced.
Poseidon
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So from my point of view, Im not scum and A50 never flips scum.
I would also be very surprised if Fromage and BuJaber flip scum.
GameNBurger has seemed somewhat scummy, but overall feels natural and his thought processes are towny, so im liking him too.
This means I have a town core of 5 people(myself included)
And the scum is in the other 4(Inferno, Egg, Manateedude, Poseidon)
And TBH egg&Poseidon are null reads that I haven’t seen much from(I could be wrong about Egg but I havent seen much) so that means IME the scumteam is Manatee/Inferno, which I can definitely see.
So as long as we Lynch in those four, preferably in the latter two, im happy- Eragon
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And I’ll owe him a thousand acre mansion on Mount Olympus :3In post 205, Almost50 wrote:
If I flip scum I owe you a big dinner!In post 202, Inferno390 wrote:If Eragon+A50 is the scumteam, I’m gonna laugh my head off.- Eragon
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Do you mind reading manatee? I know they replaced out, but it might be good.In post 208, Poseidon wrote:@Eragonfair enough, I vaguely recall someone saying that I'm a likely SR; but could have just been tired at the time. I do apologize for the inactivity. Trying to get back in the swing of things. For the time being, my only computer access is at work so most of my posting is from phone; and phones HATE the multi-quote function on this site.
Anyone got any reads I should look at away from Inferno?
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Hmmm...In post 302, Toranaga wrote:reading inferno now and I have hard time believing this angrily replaced out while L-1 as actual scum cause it'd be incredibly dickish thing to do
but I'm not townreading wh4t. for all the reasons someone could probably come up with for scumreading me, "catching" me in a "scumslip" feels disingenuous alongside the way she is pushing eragon.
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