Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Irrelephant11]

I mean we can do BV instead if you want

I agree that he seems to want you to scumread EP even as he says Gustavo is the lynch

I also don't know why one of the two blowups has to be fake

I think his associations with the flipped scum are very bad

I can't know anyone's alignment for sure until we flip someone

pedit: right that's the other side of the coin

[skitter30]

bleh maybe i should read ur scumgame

[Irrelephant11]

I think Gustavo wanting to be lynched might just be NAI? And D1, D2, D3 play all seem pretty scummy imo

It might be better to lynch Gustavo just because he wants to be lynched
Like if he's town here will we win lylo with him in it

[skitter30]

I agree that he seems to want you to scumread EP even as he says Gustavo is the lynch

I also don't know why one of the two blowups has to be fake

I think his associations with the flipped scum are very bad

yeah the first is kinda weirding me out a bit

he's saying from his (town) pov one of the two is scum and is ate'ing

who are u talking about in the third statement?

[Gustavo]

VOTE: bv

I won’t self vote anymore. If y’all think I’m scum lynch me based on evidence not my emotions. In theory this is something any scum could fake.

[skitter30]

yeah he's saying it's nai

but i just can't imagine scum litereally asking to end the game? it's just such a foreign mindset to me that i have a lot of trouble seeing that come from scum. like i can see giving up and lurking and letting the lynch just happen but actively encouraging it is just ???? to me

but i have to take into account that the way he plays in general just doesn't really make much sense to me so maybe it isn't ai? idk

[Irrelephant11]

I'm talking about Bv in the third statement

But it's true about Gustavo too so that's the issue

I mean even if one of them is scum it might all still be genuine
I imagine having to survive two lynches is stressful and upsetting

[Gustavo]

I think Gustavo wanting to be lynched might just be NAI? And D1, D2, D3 play all seem pretty scummy imo

It might be better to lynch Gustavo just because he wants to be lynched
Like if he's town here will we win lylo with him in it

What exactly was scummy about me trying to lynch my scum reads or compromising at deadline to whoever town was pushing to prevent a no lynch?

[skitter30]

yeah i would just lurk it out and let the lynch happen without trying too hard.

also bv efforting this hard is town indicative for him i think

i don't think bv's associations are bad tbh

[Gustavo]

I don’t like how bv said I came after him because he pushed me when the reverse was actually the correct narrative.

I came after him and he retaliated on me.

[Irrelephant11]

I mean, that's a lot of words in my mouth that I didn't put there

I think Stungun's game looks like scumgun
I think your play has never once made sense to me this game, which I recognize can be playstyle but in this my2lo situation where I townread other players more that is part of my read
I think town making compromises and scum acknowledging the loss of a partner with a vote look very similar

pedit: BV's associations toward the scum slots isn't terrible, but the other way around is

[Gustavo]

I personally feel town can make a better decision when it’s me v errant.

Tw fake claiming was bold. Even when he was being lynched, he was still pushing bv and I think skitter.

Bv I think answers more questions than me or errant.

[Errantparabola]

class is soon so I've gotta bounce but do not worry my friends... as we speak keyser is silently solving the game

[Gustavo]

I think Stungun's game looks like scumgun

How?

I think your play has never once made sense to me this game,

What parts don’t make sense?

where I townread other players more that is part of my read

Are your reasons for town reading them any good?

[skitter30]

i guess i kinda want gustavo now? i don't feel super confident on this tho

also i dont really want to end the day till keyser has done his thing

[Gustavo]

How?

And forget stun. Does this look like my scum game?

I say absolutely not. The only one saying it’s similar is bv who isn’t being honest

[Irrelephant11]

Wow okay switching from "just kill me" to "let's hash out all your thoughts on the game" not sure how to read this tone switch

I linked to the newbie game stungun and I played together and for most of that game (including after my own death) I thought he was town. He had great anti-associatives with his partner, going so far as to be one of the first to really put pressure on them, and helping in their lynch. He references his own towniness in what felt like genuine ways, and overall was townread by most of the board. Those are all the exact same as what happened here. He also replaced out after gemini replaced out, which could speak to their desire to play together and stungun followed his friend out of the game when gemini was too busy to be scum or something. Idk ignore the replace out point

Your scumread of Shoshin (to this day), the way you insist other players "cooperate" with you and your reads while in large part not doing the same (except as you bring up, right before each lynch goes through), most of your reads and reasoning all game, honestly.

Obviously I think so
I just explained some of the reasons I townread EP (an over-arching town tone and multiple town choices in play) and we've all acknowledged why skitter isn't scum. I'm also willing to vote BV here so there's that


pedit: for the most part I don't think this looks like your scum game, no, but in this game we pinned down 2/3 scum in the first three lynches, so I wouldn't expect it to

[Gustavo]

Wow okay switching from "just kill me" to "let's hash out all your thoughts on the game" not sure how to read this tone switch

If you’ve been reading the entire day, I’ve been willing to hash stuff out with everyone. Thanks for paying attention

[Gustavo]

Your scumread of Shoshin (to this day),

If a player intentionally lies to shade you. Do you town read them?

[Irrelephant11]

Sure, but it's a marked difference from your tone even 30 minutes ago. I'm trying to discern how AI that is. Also, you're welcome.

[Gustavo]

the way you insist other players "cooperate" with you and your reads while in large part not doing the same (except as you bring up, right before each lynch goes through)

Ok you make an ok point here but as either alignment I would compromise to prevent an NL. Most people would.

So why do you use that as AI against me?

[Gustavo]

Sure, but it's a marked difference from your tone even 30 minutes ago. I'm trying to discern how AI that is. Also, you're welcome.

No it isn’t.

[Irrelephant11]

the way you insist other players "cooperate" with you and your reads while in large part not doing the same (except as you bring up, right before each lynch goes through)

Ok you make an ok point here but as either alignment I would compromise to prevent an NL. Most people would.

So why do you use that as AI against me?

Your scumread of Shoshin (to this day),

If a player intentionally lies to shade you. Do you town read them?

I've learned that this sore subject makes you angry and leads to many posts that are unhelpful because they are NAI. I'm gonna skip this question

the way you insist other players "cooperate" with you and your reads while in large part not doing the same (except as you bring up, right before each lynch goes through)

Ok you make an ok point here but as either alignment I would compromise to prevent an NL. Most people would.

So why do you use that as AI against me?

I think it's scummy not because of the compromising, but because of the refusal most of the time to cooperate

[Irrelephant11]

Sure, but it's a marked difference from your tone even 30 minutes ago. I'm trying to discern how AI that is. Also, you're welcome.

No it isn’t.

Okay. You can pick whatever words you want here. Some choices:

1) "hammer time?" and a list of three questions are different and I wonder if it's AI
2) Gustavo has wanted to end the day and wanted to keep talking at different points in the last couple hours, interesting
3) My favorite color is peach and Gustavo is a majestic giraffe

[Gustavo]

most of your reads and reasoning all game, honestly.

You disagree with Shos which is whatever. I had good reason today specifically scum read him

You voted gamma after I did so you clearly shared that one.

Could you maybe be less vague? I can’t defned myself from vague accusations