In post 3732, skitter30 wrote:bv, this might be a weird thing to say but i'm getting the vibe that you kinda want me to scumread errant
Okay, this is getting a bit frustrating to explain, perhaps it's a communication failure on my end.
I have the same misgiving that you do on Gustavo. Would scum really ask to be hammered? Would scum really self-vote at this point when the game would end. The obvious implication for me everytime this happens is that Errant is scum. Errant himself I'm not townreading outside of those isolated reactions regarding the neighborhood guilty.
I brought up multiple points why his behavior is scummy but you're just holding onto that read based on very isolated evidence and getting paranoid of me instead every time I try to get you to reconsider. You're confirmation-biasing your read on Errant.
Everytime Gustavo does something townie, you back off and wonder "would scum really do that?" but you never arrive at the obvious conclusion that if he's town, then Errant is scum. Then that somehow morphs into "maybe BV is scum" and then back to wanting to lynch Gustavo. We're kind of going around in circles at this point.
also i kinda skimmed thru tw's iso again and he was shading your slot a lot when you replaced in, complaining that he didn't want to read ur posts - he had to have decided that he wanted to shade his partner basically from when u repped in
also tw's plan kinda imploded because bernie incidentally tracked him, so i'm thinking what he wanted to happen in an ideal universe - you get lynched. i'm still having a very hard believing he thought could coast on that, or that scum!you didn't bus him given that you were in a much better spot than him. i don't htink he was planning on getting lynched - he was setting this up for a day or so and was using that to coast
(like even before you repped in - now that i think about it i don't think he concocts this plot with an empty-math slot overnight. although tbf he could have just had a general 'claim pr' plan that only solidified after you rep in)
i'm trying to get over my paranoia because i think ur very very likely town here on play but it's just not something i can dismiss easily because like ... everyone's very town rn and pocketing me is how scum!you wins so i don't want to just discount that possibility
All of those reasons are great reasons I'm town. And there are more. Summarized here:
1. Setup suggests I'm town (1-shot BP + Odd night doc)
2. TheWorst faking a guilty on me if I were scum is basically gamethrowing at that point.
3. You are correct that if I were scum, I'd have planned it differently.
4. I would not have pushed Nauci and Irrelephant as scum. In fact, I'd consider it very suboptimal since attacking good townies always puts you in the spotlight.
5. My reasons for scumreading Nauci on being informed.
6. My play around Momrangal/TheWorst wagons. I'd not be so indecisive. I'd anticipate that one of them were getting lynched and just push that person.
7. Finally, most importantly, I can't sustain this level of activity and gamesolving over so, so long as scum.
You not wanting to "discount the possibility of me being scum" because scum me would townread you is really kinda ridiculous at this point. I'd townread you no matter what my alignment is. Continuing to bring up something completely null and getting paranoid over it when literally everything points to me being town is something I'm just not understanding. Yeah, I'd call you town even if I'm scum, so what?
I think it's because of that comment I made about how I'd pocket town players that you're so worried that I could be doing it here. But that's literally what most scum players would do. There's nothing grand or insightful or new about it. It would also very much not look like this. I'd do what Errant did. Things like mysteriously having Irrelephant/Nauci as his top townreads which I think is a somewhat superficial reading for that phase of the game. Irrelephant's most towny posts came much later and Nauci - Nauci was literally practicing for her coding boot camp and that's why she posted all those VCs. She didn't explain this until D4 after she claimed. That and the informed perspective thing I mentioned earlier.
Anyways, I'm probably around 60-40 at Gustavo-Errant. If you're going to re-evaluate Errant, we can actually solve this today but if I'm just going to get more of what's happened so far, just lynch Gustavo and sort between me and Errant tomorrow.
Obviously, I agree with Irrelephant that even if Gustavo is town, I don't want him in LYLO. If Errant is scum, I'd be much more confident in being able to present a coherent arguement than Gustavo's theatrics and insults.
I think he's slightly more likely scum than Errant just because it already seemed like he was going to get lynched ANYWAYS. I wouldn't rule out a last ditch effort of "lynch me" hoping to get people to back off and do precisely what you just did.
