Open 733: Grey Flag (Complete)

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@Duck,

What would you say if I said I had a TR on both you and Ircher at this point?

VOTE: Not Mafia

PL

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Don't expect me to do much until NM is lynched, K thanks.

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Hello everyone, just got back online today had a little scare yesterday but I'm here.

VOTE: The Worst

Too cute and fluffy and yellow, must be evil.

Lemme guess you thought you were preggo?

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Also pregnancy scares aren't a joke, and that's a pretty sexist question :B

I wasn't inferring anything about anything. That just seemed to be something that would scare the piss out of me if I was a woman.

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Well, since I believe playing as Town is mostly about creating content, I consider NM's playstyle to be very Anti-Town.

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UNVOTE: the worst
VOTE: quick

good point NM

Whatever. I am making a stand against NM's play. If you'd rather NM be in the game then me, then you have made the correct decision.

Beyond that, why is it Scummy for me to want to PL NM? When I have detailed my reasons for it? Considering you've never seen me play (feel free to look at a few of my games), what makes you think I don't actually provide content to the game? I actually usually provide a shit ton of content to the game, but not when I feel like someone needs to be PLed.

If you want to vote me for wanting to PL NM, I'm not sure what to tell you other than I'm not going to budge.

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it was only one vote


do you need a hug ._.

Yeah, this answers nothing.

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like if you can't stand to be in a game with a certain player
then replace out
it's easy

i don't see the point in disadvantaging the town killing someone because you don't like how they play on D1
he's in this game, and is trying to have fun and if the mod tells him to stop it's one thing

i dont really have the experience you do with him to be able to make pre-judgements like you do but this seems unhelpful

This isn't something just based off D1 play. Not Mafia's play as a whole is both unreadable and Anti-Town. Until he changes how he plays, he is going to remain a PL for me.

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that is an entirely non sketchy and well intended wagon, nicely done fam bam

@Quick what if I told you NM can be sorted (generally) fairly easily late game and has generally good reads?

You'd have to tell me how.

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VOTE: Quick

Quite the sheep, you are.

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Don't expect me to do much until NM is lynched, K thanks.

Well, since I believe playing as Town is mostly about creating content, I consider NM's playstyle to be very Anti-Town.

this is the best post in the thread so far and im all for punishing scum for inconsistancy

Good luck with that cuz I do it a lot.

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Now I'm getting paranoid about you, Irch, because I'm already paranoid about TW.

Anyhow, what do you all think about NM being active? 51 in particular is interesting. I don't agree with his point, but I think it was serious, so that makes it strictly game-related. All of this was sparked by a push on NM.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
(not policy)

Sorta Scummy.

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Quick would you say you're inconsistent?
(please answer "no" to prove your point)

Saudade how many scum do you think piled your wagon

No, I don't and even if I did, inconsistencies are not inherently Scummy.

I am making a stance on NM because I don't think his play is acceptable. That's the long and short of it.

Read sig for more info.

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Quick would you say you're inconsistent?
(please answer "no" to prove your point)

Saudade how many scum do you think piled your wagon

No, I don't and even if I did, inconsistencies are not inherently Scummy.

I am making a stance on NM because I don't think his play is acceptable. That's the long and short of it.

Read sig for more info.

I changed the quote I had in my sig of GL talking about my play. Feel free to look it up on my wiki.

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(I was about to say....)

Does this really need to be said?

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Yes.

Why?

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Why not?

Because it's self-apparent.

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Everything from Not_Mafia so far screams gut!town to me.

As for the worst, he's fairly easy to read, and I'm pretty sure this is his town game.

Good read, top kek.

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I think we should either lynch NM or tell how he is readable.

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you want me to explain how to read someone in the middle of a game?

Well, that would force NM to play differently, so, yes.

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I'm town

Well, I guess that settles that...

/s

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late-game is clearly contextual and revolves around the fact we'll have flips and will have spent weeks putting up with each other
not late-game as in 3p

maybe you should brush up on yours

At that point in the game there is no use going over Data. For me, it's all feel at that point.

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That should get the game going.

Discuss.

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I think we should either lynch NM or tell how he is readable.

Seriously, how familiar are you with Not_Mafia?

Enough.

Is this a WK, or a defense?

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I think we should either lynch NM or tell how he is readable.

Seriously, how familiar are you with Not_Mafia?

Enough.

Is this a WK, or a defense?

That's a loaded question.

Should be relatively easy to answer if you are Town.

Yes, I think you are incredibly Scummy and yes, I still want to PL NM.

@Players in the game,

Do you know Ircher to have a Scummy meta?

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Don't expect me to do much until NM is lynched, K thanks.

Well, since I believe playing as Town is mostly about creating content, I consider NM's playstyle to be very Anti-Town.

this is the best post in the thread so far and im all for punishing scum for inconsistancy

Good luck with that cuz I do it a lot.

Then you'll get lynched a lot and something tells me you'll flip mafia more often than not simply by the nature of the slip

K...

page 6 seems like more arguing about N_M

Quick has been less scummy

someone feels missing

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actually tbqh Quick's policy push on NM pinged me too
he's not really engaging in detail about why he thinks it's worthwhile....fmpov it felt like a thing he felt he could get away with and he was taken aback when he couldn't

Do I really have to remind you of last game we played together and what I said about NM?

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@Players in the game,

Do you know Ircher to have a Scummy meta?

I’ve never played with scum!Ircher

Or are you asking if Ircher is scummy as town? In the one completed game I’ve played with him, he was mislynched on D1 although I don’t remember the specifics

K, thanks, that actually helps.

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imagine not being able to understand that being inconsistent is a trait associated with the scum and thus my vote when its literally written right in front of you

Inconsistencies AKA contradictions are not Scummy. I know this because I have been accused of making them a lot as Town. Look at the motive for the contradiction because a contradiction itself isn't Scummy.

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ok that's an objectively correct post but what are you saying your motive in these inconsistencies is bc fmpov it's just throwing down a zero accountability lynch

Frankly, I don't care about that. NM has a playstyle that is not conducive for... pretty much anything in the game of Mafia. His playstyle needs to change and I'm going to continue to try and lynch him until it does.

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imagine not being able to understand that being inconsistent is a trait associated with the scum and thus my vote when its literally written right in front of you

Inconsistencies AKA contradictions are not Scummy. I know this because I have been accused of making them a lot as Town. Look at the motive for the contradiction because a contradiction itself isn't Scummy.

I disagree and I also explained why in my previous posts, this is really going nowhere lets move on to greater bigger things

Great, so if I flip Town, your theory that contradictions are Scummy goes to shit!

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but tried to move the game forward in a meaningful way(53.)

explain it like I'm 12 please

Alright, kiddo. Quick dubbed the "turnt" inconsistency line, & asked the deadass question, namely "what's scummy?". That's ode gucci town PoV, fam. Radical!

(If you cannot keep up with the age group, we can go back to me explaining things to you like you're 5.)
(Actually, it took too "bare" google searches to make this post for me to bother again.)

Something about this pings me. Feels like he is WKing me. IDK why/how Gosrir can have this strong of a TR on me.. I'm likely to think their going off the momentum of what others have said about me IRT TRing me.

Because mafia is the one that needs to make up a narrative and thus ultimately might contradict themselves.
Town players are generally straight forward in their approach and have their mentality set thus contradicting themselves less.

i think this is a pretty shallow read given that quick has produced content, at least relative to what content is available in the game thus far, despite him saying he doesn't want to. his initial contradiction is more likely out of stubbornness in maintaining his PL stance rather than out of faking stances

and ircher, this cannot be the first time you see someone wanting to PL NM. that's kind of a bad reason to scumread quick

I've no better reads at the time so he's got my vote so far

here, i provided alternative explanation behind why this might be town!quick contradicting himself, and saudade's response suggests that he doesn't feel too strongly about his scumread on quick. i think town at this point would reconsider their read on quick or explain why they disagree with my pov

Funny that you say this because that is exactly what Ircher has done and I am not sold on him being Town. I'd say Ircher leading up his progression on me is something that more often comes from Scum!Ircher rather than Town!Ircher. It's the fact that I mentioned Ircher could have a Scummy meta which Ircher probably thinks that this leads to a TR from me on him.

So those are my two SRs atm. Given NM is probably not getting lynched and we are running out of time, consider my vote on one of these.

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Actually, I don't think Gosrir makes a good D1 flip.

VOTE: Ircher

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I feel like Saudade is the kind of player who could do a daytalk slip of some kind.

I'll reread him looking for such. (There's daytalk, btw, keep that in mind.)

Why do you think this? And why did you bring it up

He looks careless & prone to panic. Now I intend to read his ISO through this lens, but I hoped someone else would do it for me because I'm lazy.[/quote]

What gives you the idea Saudade is the kind of player who would slip? That's kind of a weird thing to say tbh.

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I feel like Saudade is the kind of player who could do a daytalk slip of some kind.

I'll reread him looking for such. (There's daytalk, btw, keep that in mind.)

Why do you think this? And why did you bring it up

He looks careless & prone to panic. Now I intend to read his ISO through this lens, but I hoped someone else would do it for me because I'm lazy.

What gives you the idea Saudade is the kind of player who would slip? That's kind of a weird thing to say tbh.

EBWOP

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oh look more AtE and lack of reads from saud

although i'm starting to think scum would at least try to get some reads out there to dig themselves out

yeah okay buddy great post with basically zero substance

That's def NOT a no substance post. Like how are you saying this with NM in the game?

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Oh, OK, Saude was lynched. What did that get us?

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VOTE: Duck

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ehhhh the hammer was a moment of brief hysteria

he was far from a townread and gamestate suggested he'd be lynched anyway. I took the fact no one minded lynching Gosrir as indicative that he was the dedicated d1 mislynch but tbh I'm starting to think his buddies probably would have just said that to distance

I thought you said earlier that the hammer was an accident.. Now you are saying it was a "mistake." This is a conflicting narrative. The motive for saying it was a mistake now is because you don't want to be caught with the blame of LOL!Hammering.

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I wanna say never ofrhz or cjv. probably within {you, NM, Ircher} off the top of my head

We have one Town flip and you are trying to find teams? That much more often comes from Scum in my experience.

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Not sure. is it?

*shrugs* if it happens, it happens

This right here informs me you were trying to downplay the hammer. Correct me if I am wrong.

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serious question. did you just read my ISO or did you read the surrounding posts?

I looked for what I remembered - namely - that you tried some funny business around the hammer.

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VOTE: Quick

Naked vote. Don't insult me like this CJ.

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I think your case is reachy. Why don't you stick to PLing NM?

Why? No one has any interest in lynching NM.

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this feels closer to a misrep than a case bro... what do you think was funny business?

How is it a misrep?

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ofrhz keeps saying I am Town but IIRC they are not really pushing anyone - at least not very hard. Their vote is on Gosir. I think it's pretty clear those two are not teamed. I have a Town Lean on Gosrir atm so don't really want to lynch there.

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Basically the case on Gosrir is that he is pushing NM. That's pretty much it. I feel like that's not Scummy anyways. BTW where is NM? Nowhere to be seen. Besides that, not really seeing anything Scummy from Gosrir. I have the feeling that the reason people are pushing Gosrir for pushing NM is because I said NM is not readable, which would mean Duck is Scum since he would be pushing the Narrative that NM is unreadable until late in the game. Otherwise, not really seeing Duck actually trying to sort NM.

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can you throw me a full reads list Quick?

Have many people given a reads list this game? Why ask this when other people are not really doing it? I don't really feel comfortable providing a Reads List at this point in time. Still trying to feel things out for the most part. My perspective on how to approach a game, in general, has changed a lot since I played in the MC this year. Don't feel as inclined to force content that I did before.

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I need flips to have a decent go at sorting NM. why would I try to sort NM with only a single flip >:/

That's pretty much my point with wanting to PL NM. Without flips, he's unreadable making his play Anti-Town because he doesn't actually produce much content for the game. If he was unreadable and DID produce content for the game, that would be one thing, but he doesn't.

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ruru, how dare you lock me in this room

VOTE: ceejay

L-1

Maybe cj is town

VOTE: saudade

Ok maybe TW is town

VOTE: gosrir

Idk what to take away from the fact the entire list seems OK with a Gosrir lynch

Yeah also the VC has hardly moved since Saturday with Gosrir as the leading wagon since then

Imma do

VOTE: saudade

VOTE: gosrir

ofrhz's votes have been absolutely awful.

VOTE: ofrhz

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ofrhz is not scum

can you talk me through your scum PoE ot

Why is ofrhz Town?

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I hacked her account and read her role pm. why is she not town?

Because their votes are bad and they aren't making any pushes.

Why are they Town?

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that's some shallow logic..... ofrhz is actually smart. I think she's posting exactly what's on her mind with no regard for how it's perceived.

Right. I actually think they are adapting to the situation. No one besides me has suspected them so far so... why do anything different?

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I'm gonna refer back to Noir..... There's a fine line between a carried scumbuddy and obviously town.....

look I'll re-read and reconsider ofrhz but I'd put her at my strongest townread rn

IDK why you are talking about any Scum being carried at this point. Pretty much the opposite of what I was suggesting.

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what were you suggesting then? Sounded to me like you were concerned about the fact she was universally townread

I wasn't "concerned" about them being TR. I just think they haven't really done a whole lot to impact the game and pretty much all their votes are naked sheep votes, essentially.

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I hacked her account and read her role pm. why is she not town?

Because their votes are bad and they aren't making any pushes.

Why are they Town?

how were my votes bad?

Did I answer this?

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Did I answer this?

if you think they're bad because i haven't made any pushes, i disagree like i said in 405

so yes, i do need you to elaborate further

K, here:

what were you suggesting then? Sounded to me like you were concerned about the fact she was universally townread

I wasn't "concerned" about them being TR. I just think they haven't really done a whole lot to impact the game and pretty much all their votes are naked sheep votes, essentially.

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You can go ahead and combine my 417 with 395.

Now, who wants to actually analyze my case properly?

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what were you suggesting then? Sounded to me like you were concerned about the fact she was universally townread

I wasn't "concerned" about them being TR. I just think they haven't really done a whole lot to impact the game and pretty much all their votes are naked sheep votes, essentially.

dude if you're just going to cherrypick posts that i voted in and not read anything else in my iso, then you're not going to walk away with an accurate read. like 389 was a bad post

I can't believe you changed your avatar for this game. Hehehehehehehe.

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Town is so going to lose this game.

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You mean anti-scum

So, NM, mind answering why CJ is Scum at this point in the game?

VOTE: CJ

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Yeah, Town played terrible tbh.