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@Duck,
What would you say if I said I had a TR on both you and Ircher at this point?
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Don't expect me to do much until NM is lynched, K thanks.- Quick
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Lemme guess you thought you were preggo?In post 34, Brandi wrote:Hello everyone, just got back online today had a little scare yesterday but I'm here.
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I wasn't inferring anything about anything. That just seemed to be something that would scare the piss out of me if I was a woman.In post 39, Brandi wrote:Also pregnancy scares aren't a joke, and that's a pretty sexist question :B- Quick
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Well, since I believe playing as Town is mostly about creating content, I consider NM's playstyle to be very Anti-Town.- Quick
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Whatever. I am making a stand against NM's play. If you'd rather NM be in the game then me, then you have made the correct decision.
Beyond that, why is it Scummy for me to want to PL NM? When I have detailed my reasons for it? Considering you've never seen me play (feel free to look at a few of my games), what makes you think I don't actually provide content to the game? I actually usually provide a shit ton of content to the game, but not when I feel like someone needs to be PLed.
If you want to vote me for wanting to PL NM, I'm not sure what to tell you other than I'm not going to budge.- Quick
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Yeah, this answers nothing.
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This isn't something just based off D1 play. Not Mafia's play as a whole is both unreadable and Anti-Town. Until he changes how he plays, he is going to remain a PL for me.In post 57, Brandi wrote:like if you can't stand to be in a game with a certain player
then replace out
it's easy
i don't see the point in disadvantaging the town killing someone because you don't like how they play on D1
he's in this game, and is trying to have fun and if the mod tells him to stop it's one thing
i dont really have the experience you do with him to be able to make pre-judgements like you do but this seems unhelpful- Quick
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You'd have to tell me how.In post 65, the worst wrote:that is an entirely non sketchy and well intended wagon, nicely done fam bam
@Quick what if I told you NM can be sorted (generally) fairly easily late game and has generally good reads?- Quick
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Quite the sheep, you are.
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Good luck with that cuz I do it a lot.In post 91, Saudade wrote:
this is the best post in the thread so far and im all for punishing scum for inconsistancyIn post 51, Not_Mafia wrote:In post 28, Quick wrote:Don't expect me to do much until NM is lynched, K thanks.In post 49, Quick wrote:Well, since I believe playing as Town is mostly about creating content, I consider NM's playstyle to be very Anti-Town.- Quick
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Sorta Scummy.In post 87, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote:Now I'm getting paranoid about you, Irch, because I'm already paranoid about TW.
Anyhow, what do you all think about NM being active? 51 in particular is interesting. I don't agree with his point, but I think it was serious, so that makes it strictly game-related. All of this was sparked by a push on NM.
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No, I don't and even if I did, inconsistencies are not inherently Scummy.In post 98, the worst wrote:Quick would you say you're inconsistent?
(please answer "no" to prove your point)
Saudade how many scum do you think piled your wagon
I am making a stance on NM because I don't think his play is acceptable. That's the long and short of it.
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I changed the quote I had in my sig of GL talking about my play. Feel free to look it up on my wiki.In post 101, Quick wrote:
No, I don't and even if I did, inconsistencies are not inherently Scummy.In post 98, the worst wrote:Quick would you say you're inconsistent?
(please answer "no" to prove your point)
Saudade how many scum do you think piled your wagon
I am making a stance on NM because I don't think his play is acceptable. That's the long and short of it.
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Does this really need to be said?In post 103, Ircher wrote:(I was about to say....)- Quick
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Because it's self-apparent.In post 107, Ircher wrote:Why not?- Quick
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Good read, top kek.In post 118, Ircher wrote:Everything from Not_Mafia so far screams gut!town to me.
As for the worst, he's fairly easy to read, and I'm pretty sure this is his town game.- Quick
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I think we should either lynch NM or tell how he is readable.- Quick
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Well, that would force NM to play differently, so, yes.In post 137, the worst wrote:you want me to explain how to read someone in the middle of a game?- Quick
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At that point in the game there is no use going over Data. For me, it's all feel at that point.In post 142, the worst wrote:late-game is clearly contextual and revolves around the fact we'll have flips and will have spent weeks putting up with each other
not late-game as in 3p
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Enough.In post 147, Ircher wrote:
Seriously, how familiar are you with Not_Mafia?In post 136, Quick wrote:I think we should either lynch NM or tell how he is readable.
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Should be relatively easy to answer if you are Town.In post 151, Ircher wrote:
That's a loaded question.In post 148, Quick wrote:
Enough.In post 147, Ircher wrote:
Seriously, how familiar are you with Not_Mafia?In post 136, Quick wrote:I think we should either lynch NM or tell how he is readable.
Is this a WK, or a defense?
Yes, I think you are incredibly Scummy and yes, I still want to PL NM.
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Do you know Ircher to have a Scummy meta?- Quick
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K...In post 155, Saudade wrote:
Then you'll get lynched a lot and something tells me you'll flip mafia more often than not simply by the nature of the slipIn post 96, Quick wrote:
Good luck with that cuz I do it a lot.In post 91, Saudade wrote:
this is the best post in the thread so far and im all for punishing scum for inconsistancyIn post 51, Not_Mafia wrote:In post 28, Quick wrote:Don't expect me to do much until NM is lynched, K thanks.In post 49, Quick wrote:Well, since I believe playing as Town is mostly about creating content, I consider NM's playstyle to be very Anti-Town.
In post 154, Brandi wrote:page 6 seems like more arguing about N_M
Quick has been less scummy
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Do I really have to remind you of last game we played together and what I said about NM?In post 167, the worst wrote:actually tbqh Quick's policy push on NM pinged me too
he's not really engaging in detail about why he thinks it's worthwhile....fmpov it felt like a thing he felt he could get away with and he was taken aback when he couldn't- Quick
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K, thanks, that actually helps.In post 159, ofrhz wrote:I’ve never played with scum!Ircher
Or are you asking if Ircher is scummy as town? In the one completed game I’ve played with him, he was mislynched on D1 although I don’t remember the specifics- Quick
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Inconsistencies AKA contradictions are not Scummy. I know this because I have been accused of making them a lot as Town. Look at the motive for the contradiction because a contradiction itself isn't Scummy.In post 180, Saudade wrote:imagine not being able to understand that being inconsistent is a trait associated with the scum and thus my vote when its literally written right in front of you- Quick
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Frankly, I don't care about that. NM has a playstyle that is not conducive for... pretty much anything in the game of Mafia. His playstyle needs to change and I'm going to continue to try and lynch him until it does.In post 182, the worst wrote:ok that's an objectively correct post but what are you saying your motive in these inconsistencies is bc fmpov it's just throwing down a zero accountability lynch- Quick
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Great, so if I flip Town, your theory that contradictions are Scummy goes to shit!In post 188, Saudade wrote:
I disagree and I also explained why in my previous posts, this is really going nowhere lets move on to greater bigger thingsIn post 181, Quick wrote:
Inconsistencies AKA contradictions are not Scummy. I know this because I have been accused of making them a lot as Town. Look at the motive for the contradiction because a contradiction itself isn't Scummy.In post 180, Saudade wrote:imagine not being able to understand that being inconsistent is a trait associated with the scum and thus my vote when its literally written right in front of you- Quick
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Something about this pings me. Feels like he is WKing me. IDK why/how Gosrir can have this strong of a TR on me.. I'm likely to think their going off the momentum of what others have said about me IRT TRing me.In post 202, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote:
Alright, kiddo. Quick dubbed the "turnt" inconsistency line, & asked the deadass question, namely "what's scummy?". That's ode gucci town PoV, fam. Radical!In post 178, the worst wrote:
explain it like I'm 12 pleaseIn post 172, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote:but tried to move the game forward in a meaningful way(53.)
(If you cannot keep up with the age group, we can go back to me explaining things to you like you're 5.)
(Actually, it took too "bare" google searches to make this post for me to bother again.)
Funny that you say this because that is exactly what Ircher has done and I am not sold on him being Town. I'd say Ircher leading up his progression on me is something that more often comes from Scum!Ircher rather than Town!Ircher. It's the fact that I mentioned Ircher could have a Scummy meta which Ircher probably thinks that this leads to a TR from me on him.In post 207, ofrhz wrote:
here, i provided alternative explanation behind why this might be town!quick contradicting himself, and saudade's response suggests that he doesn't feel too strongly about his scumread on quick. i think town at this point would reconsider their read on quick or explain why they disagree with my povIn post 166, Saudade wrote:
I've no better reads at the time so he's got my vote so farIn post 163, ofrhz wrote:
i think this is a pretty shallow read given that quick has produced content, at least relative to what content is available in the game thus far, despite him saying he doesn't want to. his initial contradiction is more likely out of stubbornness in maintaining his PL stance rather than out of faking stancesIn post 161, Saudade wrote: Because mafia is the one that needs to make up a narrative and thus ultimately might contradict themselves.
Town players are generally straight forward in their approach and have their mentality set thus contradicting themselves less.
and ircher, this cannot be the first time you see someone wanting to PL NM. that's kind of a bad reason to scumread quick
So those are my two SRs atm. Given NM is probably not getting lynched and we are running out of time, consider my vote on one of these.- Quick
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Actually, I don't think Gosrir makes a good D1 flip.
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He looks careless & prone to panic. Now I intend to read his ISO through this lens, but I hoped someone else would do it for me because I'm lazy.[/quote]In post 268, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote:
Why do you think this? And why did you bring it upI feel like Saudade is the kind of player who could do a daytalk slip of some kind.I'll reread him looking for such. (There's daytalk, btw, keep that in mind.)
What gives you the idea Saudade is the kind of player who would slip? That's kind of a weird thing to say tbh.- Quick
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EBWOPIn post 270, Quick wrote:
What gives you the idea Saudade is the kind of player who would slip? That's kind of a weird thing to say tbh.In post 268, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote:
He looks careless & prone to panic. Now I intend to read his ISO through this lens, but I hoped someone else would do it for me because I'm lazy.
Why do you think this? And why did you bring it upI feel like Saudade is the kind of player who could do a daytalk slip of some kind.I'll reread him looking for such. (There's daytalk, btw, keep that in mind.)- Quick
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That's def NOT a no substance post. Like how are you saying this with NM in the game?In post 285, Saudade wrote:
yeah okay buddy great post with basically zero substanceIn post 282, Skygazer wrote:oh look more AtE and lack of reads from saud
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Oh, OK, Saude was lynched. What did that get us?- Quick
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I thought you said earlier that the hammer was an accident.. Now you are saying it was a "mistake." This is a conflicting narrative. The motive for saying it was a mistake now is because you don't want to be caught with the blame of LOL!Hammering.In post 328, the worst wrote:ehhhh the hammer was a moment of brief hysteria
he was far from a townread and gamestate suggested he'd be lynched anyway. I took the fact no one minded lynching Gosrir as indicative that he was the dedicated d1 mislynch but tbh I'm starting to think his buddies probably would have just said that to distance- Quick
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We have one Town flip and you are trying to find teams? That much more often comes from Scum in my experience.In post 333, the worst wrote:I wanna say never ofrhz or cjv. probably within {you, NM, Ircher} off the top of my head- Quick
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In post 291, the worst wrote:Not sure. is it?
This right here informs me you were trying to downplay the hammer. Correct me if I am wrong.In post 294, the worst wrote:*shrugs* if it happens, it happens- Quick
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I looked for what I remembered - namely - that you tried some funny business around the hammer.In post 346, the worst wrote:serious question. did you just read my ISO or did you read the surrounding posts?- Quick
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Naked vote. Don't insult me like this CJ.
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Why? No one has any interest in lynching NM.In post 349, ceejayvinoya wrote:I think your case is reachy. Why don't you stick to PLing NM?- Quick
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How is it a misrep?In post 351, the worst wrote:this feels closer to a misrep than a case bro... what do you think was funny business?- Quick
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ofrhz keeps saying I am Town but IIRC they are not really pushing anyone - at least not very hard. Their vote is on Gosir. I think it's pretty clear those two are not teamed. I have a Town Lean on Gosrir atm so don't really want to lynch there.- Quick
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Basically the case on Gosrir is that he is pushing NM. That's pretty much it. I feel like that's not Scummy anyways. BTW where is NM? Nowhere to be seen. Besides that, not really seeing anything Scummy from Gosrir. I have the feeling that the reason people are pushing Gosrir for pushing NM is because I said NM is not readable, which would mean Duck is Scum since he would be pushing the Narrative that NM is unreadable until late in the game. Otherwise, not really seeing Duck actually trying to sort NM.- Quick
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Have many people given a reads list this game? Why ask this when other people are not really doing it? I don't really feel comfortable providing a Reads List at this point in time. Still trying to feel things out for the most part. My perspective on how to approach a game, in general, has changed a lot since I played in the MC this year. Don't feel as inclined to force content that I did before.In post 383, the worst wrote:can you throw me a full reads list Quick?- Quick
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That's pretty much my point with wanting to PL NM. Without flips, he's unreadable making his play Anti-Town because he doesn't actually produce much content for the game. If he was unreadable and DID produce content for the game, that would be one thing, but he doesn't.In post 385, the worst wrote:I need flips to have a decent go at sorting NM. why would I try to sort NM with only a single flip >:/- Quick
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In post 233, ofrhz wrote:
Yeah also the VC has hardly moved since Saturday with Gosrir as the leading wagon since thenIn post 230, the worst wrote:Idk what to take away from the fact the entire list seems OK with a Gosrir lynch
Imma do
VOTE: saudadeofrhz's votes have been absolutely awful.
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Why is ofrhz Town?
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Because their votes are bad and they aren't making any pushes.In post 392, the worst wrote:I hacked her account and read her role pm. why is she not town?
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Right. I actually think they are adapting to the situation. No one besides me has suspected them so far so... why do anything different?In post 394, the worst wrote:that's some shallow logic..... ofrhz is actually smart. I think she's posting exactly what's on her mind with no regard for how it's perceived.- Quick
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IDK why you are talking about any Scum being carried at this point. Pretty much the opposite of what I was suggesting.In post 396, the worst wrote:I'm gonna refer back to Noir..... There's a fine line between a carried scumbuddy and obviously town.....
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I wasn't "concerned" about them being TR. I just think they haven't really done a whole lot to impact the game and pretty much all their votes are naked sheep votes, essentially.In post 402, the worst wrote:what were you suggesting then? Sounded to me like you were concerned about the fact she was universally townread- Quick
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Did I answer this?In post 406, ofrhz wrote:
how were my votes bad?In post 393, Quick wrote:
Because their votes are bad and they aren't making any pushes.In post 392, the worst wrote:I hacked her account and read her role pm. why is she not town?
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K, here:In post 415, ofrhz wrote:
so yes, i do need you to elaborate furtherIn post 413, ofrhz wrote:
if you think they're bad because i haven't made any pushes, i disagree like i said in 405In post 412, Quick wrote: Did I answer this?
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I wasn't "concerned" about them being TR. I just think they haven't really done a whole lot to impact the game and pretty much all their votes are naked sheep votes, essentially.In post 402, the worst wrote:what were you suggesting then? Sounded to me like you were concerned about the fact she was universally townread - Quick
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